81% rate hike for Obamacare - enough yet?

On the the bloated rich ONLY, dupe. Until Reagan, the top rate was 90%- when he left 28%. Ridiculous. 50% when his "miracle" happened...

You wish to punish the rich, why?
Because that's the way good taxes work and the country is healthy!!! Proved, ignorant dupe of the greedy idiot rich. And smart rich people agree EVERYWHERE.

So punish those that actually contribute to society and reward the pieces of shit on the low end that do nothing but take?

If you're rich and support someone taking 80% of you're money, you're not smart.
Over 40 million a year. Worked GREAT in the 50's, dupe.

The cuts in services and opportunity make the the low end the way they are, hater dupe. All to save your precious greedy a-hole billionaire brainwashers.

The 1% get 99% of new wealth the last 20 years. Great job, dupes. Really you're silly fools/racists/ignoramuses. Brilliant at Clinton conspiracee!!! theories tho LOL...

The cuts in services need to be made and maybe the freeloaders on the low end will start doing for themselves. As for cuts in opportunity, blame those not using the ones they have while claiming they didn't have any. Because some dumbass like you failed in life doesn't mean you didn't have opportunities. It meant you were too stupid to take advantage of them.
What about when the whole country and middle class go to hell? After 30 years of Voodoo: worst min. wage, work conditions, illegal work safeguards, vacations, work week, college costs, rich/poor gap, upward social mobility, % homeless and in prison EVAH, and in the modern world!! And you complain about the victims? Are you an idiot or an A-hole? :cuckoo:
 
You wish to punish the rich, why?

He supports it so low end leeches like him can have something.
Fuck you, a-hole hater dupe. I'm a retired teacher/businessman and I'm just fine. Not everyone is a selfish brainwashed greedy jackass dingbat dupe lol...Dems make more money than you rubes..

Not everyone is. Just you lefties that think those not earning something deserve what those that earned it have.

I could buy you a thousand times over. Being an asshole NL isn't being in business and you couldn't teach a fish to swim. Being without a job because no one would hire you isn't being retired.
IDIOT. So you're a RICH ignorant dupe. Congrats. I'm 66, twit. You don't know shytte about me, you're just brainwashed, misinformed and ignorant. Quick, how long did Obama have 60 votes in the Senate?

I know you're nothing more than another Obama NL. Pucker up, BOY.
Quite the ugly American. Great job. Enjoy hell. LOL
 
You wish to punish the rich, why?
Because that's the way good taxes work and the country is healthy!!! Proved, ignorant dupe of the greedy idiot rich. And smart rich people agree EVERYWHERE.

So punish those that actually contribute to society and reward the pieces of shit on the low end that do nothing but take?

If you're rich and support someone taking 80% of you're money, you're not smart.
Over 40 million a year. Worked GREAT in the 50's, dupe.

The cuts in services and opportunity make the the low end the way they are, hater dupe. All to save your precious greedy a-hole billionaire brainwashers.

The 1% get 99% of new wealth the last 20 years. Great job, dupes. Really you're silly fools/racists/ignoramuses. Brilliant at Clinton conspiracee!!! theories tho LOL...

The cuts in services need to be made and maybe the freeloaders on the low end will start doing for themselves. As for cuts in opportunity, blame those not using the ones they have while claiming they didn't have any. Because some dumbass like you failed in life doesn't mean you didn't have opportunities. It meant you were too stupid to take advantage of them.
What about when the whole country and middle class go to hell? After 30 years of Voodoo: worst min. wage, work conditions, illegal work safeguards, vacations, work week, college costs, rich/poor gap, upward social mobility, % homeless and in prison EVAH, and in the modern world!! And you complain about the victims? Are you an idiot or an A-hole? :cuckoo:

None of that happened to me or a lot of other people. Only those that makes excuses have to worry about things like that.
 
He supports it so low end leeches like him can have something.
Fuck you, a-hole hater dupe. I'm a retired teacher/businessman and I'm just fine. Not everyone is a selfish brainwashed greedy jackass dingbat dupe lol...Dems make more money than you rubes..

Not everyone is. Just you lefties that think those not earning something deserve what those that earned it have.

I could buy you a thousand times over. Being an asshole NL isn't being in business and you couldn't teach a fish to swim. Being without a job because no one would hire you isn't being retired.
IDIOT. So you're a RICH ignorant dupe. Congrats. I'm 66, twit. You don't know shytte about me, you're just brainwashed, misinformed and ignorant. Quick, how long did Obama have 60 votes in the Senate?

I know you're nothing more than another Obama NL. Pucker up, BOY.
Quite the ugly American. Great job. Enjoy hell. LOL

Yes you are and puckering up only makes you uglier. At 66, you're getting SS. Why don't you do us a favor and fade out so no more money has to be wasted on you.
 
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About time the GOP and its crony insurers stopped sabotaging and began fixing.
Fixing the liberal fuck up called "ACA" Obama's nightmare?
Smart people know it's the beginnings of a necessary answer. Needs tinkering forever...
How Democrats Would Fix Obamacare - The Atlantic
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/...democrats...obamacare/530376/
Jun 15, 2017 - As Republicans have been casting about for legislation to eviscerate the Affordable Care Act, Democrats have offered a consistent message in ...
Dem leaders amp up calls for bipartisan ObamaCare fixes | TheHill
thehill.com/.../342545-dem-leaders-amp-up-calls-for-bipartisan-obamacare-fixes
Jul 18, 2017 - have a proposal that would move to stabilize the ObamaCare ... urging GOP leaders to reach across the aisle to fix the problems in ObamaCare ...
Dems to GOP: Help us fix ObamaCare | TheHill
thehill.com/policy/healthcare/297150-dems-to-gop-help-us-fix-obamacare
Sep 22, 2016 - Democrats are beginning to talk about changing ObamaCare to fix growing ... ObamaCare to fix what they acknowledge are growing problems in the law's ... in Senate Dem leaders amp up calls for bipartisan ObamaCare fixes MORE (D-Del.) ... and discussed ways that the healthcare law could be improved.
Exclusive: House Democrats introduce new plan to fix Obamacare - Vox
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/12/.../democrats-fix-obamacare
Jul 12, 2017 - Ten House Democrats will unveil a new plan to fix Obamacare, highlighting the ... The party has so far been reticent to highlight Obamacare's problems at a moment when Democrats are .... “We've got a reasonable solution.
How Obama Would Fix Obamacare If Congress Would Let Him ...
www.huffingtonpost.com/.../how-obama-would-fix-obamacare_us_56bcd8d6e4b0c3...
Feb 12, 2016 - Even the guy who signed it knows the Affordable Care Act has problems. ... here are some of the big ways Obama would improve Obamacare if ...
 
And if you make $220k you can't afford to sacrifice for the poor? You're mean!
Dupes seem to only be able to deal with character assassination and idiotic talking points. Try POLICY the country is DYING for after 35 years of GOP pander to the rich, dupe.

^^^ this fools solution is tax increases, shocker. :cuckoo:
On the the bloated rich ONLY, dupe. Until Reagan, the top rate was 90%- when he left 28%. Ridiculous. 50% when his "miracle" happened...

You wish to punish the rich, why?
Because that's the way good taxes work and the country is healthy!!! Proved, ignorant dupe of the greedy idiot rich. And smart rich people agree EVERYWHERE.

Would you take an 80% pay cut? No you would not. Would you put your money at risk knowing 80% of what you 'might' make will be confiscated and doled out to moochers and deadbeats? No you would not. Consider yourself utterly destroyed.
 
And now Anthem ...one of the biggest health insurers is dropping out of the ACA exchanges in Nevada...which leaves many to expect the smaller providers to follow suit.
 
WTH is wrong with you? Enjoy the giant tax cut for the rich. Oh, richer than you...and GOP dereg bubble/bust......

Why shouldn't those that have been footing the bill get a cut and that applies to everyone that foots the bill. The 50% in this country that pay zero income tax have been freeloading long enough. It's high time they pay their fair share and quit expecting others to pay more into something to which they pay nothing.

Do you know what a family of four has to have as a family income before paying a dime in income taxes based solely on the makeup of the family? I can tell you but I want you to guess.
 
Dupes seem to only be able to deal with character assassination and idiotic talking points. Try POLICY the country is DYING for after 35 years of GOP pander to the rich, dupe.

^^^ this fools solution is tax increases, shocker. :cuckoo:
On the the bloated rich ONLY, dupe. Until Reagan, the top rate was 90%- when he left 28%. Ridiculous. 50% when his "miracle" happened...

You wish to punish the rich, why?
Because that's the way good taxes work and the country is healthy!!! Proved, ignorant dupe of the greedy idiot rich. And smart rich people agree EVERYWHERE.

Would you take an 80% pay cut? No you would not. Would you put your money at risk knowing 80% of what you 'might' make will be confiscated and doled out to moochers and deadbeats? No you would not. Consider yourself utterly destroyed.
That 80% would be only on income over 30 million or something, and loopholes would not be extinct either. Remain calm. Your poor billionaire brainwashers would survive...
 
Yup.

81%

Health Insurers in Idaho Request Premium Rate Hikes As High As 81%

Health care insurers in Idaho have requested premium rate hikes as high as 81 percent for next year, according to the state's Department of Insurance.

The five insurers serving the individual market in Idaho are Blue Cross of Idaho Health Service, Mountain Health Co-Op, PacificSource Health Plans, Regence BlueShield of Idaho, and SelectHealth.

For all plans, insurers requested rates ranging from a low of 25 percent to a high of 51 percent for a combined average statewide rate increase of 38 percent. For Obamacare's popular Silver plan, the average rate increase among all insurers was even higher at 50 percent, with one insurer requesting a high of 81 percent.

"I am deeply disappointed and frustrated to share these rates," said Dean Cameron, who directs the department. "I understand how difficult it will be for Idahoans to afford reasonable coverage, especially those without a subsidy."


Some victims of The "Affordable Care" Act (read "Obamacare) are now paying more for health insurance than for their house mortgage/tax escrow montly. For some having deciding whether to have "affordable health care" or a place to live.

Congratulations liberals (off both parties)! You're quickly achieving the goal of turning Americans into welfare drones - 'cause then they get Obamacaid (Medicaid) ffor free. Well, free to THEM but straight out of YOUR pocket.
Excellent, this is exactly what trump said he wanted.
didn't he say that would happen?
 
WTH is wrong with you? Enjoy the giant tax cut for the rich. Oh, richer than you...and GOP dereg bubble/bust......

Why shouldn't those that have been footing the bill get a cut and that applies to everyone that foots the bill. The 50% in this country that pay zero income tax have been freeloading long enough. It's high time they pay their fair share and quit expecting others to pay more into something to which they pay nothing.

Do you know what a family of four has to have as a family income before paying a dime in income taxes based solely on the makeup of the family? I can tell you but I want you to guess.
They already pay plenty, dupe. Fed income taxes are NOT the only kind of taxes, dupe.
The one tax graph you really need to know

By Ezra Klein September 19, 2012
At the heart of the debate over "the 47 percent" is an awful abuse of tax data.

This entire conversation is the result of a (largely successful) effort to redefine the debate over taxes from "how much in taxes do you pay" to "how much in federal income taxes do you pay?" This is good framing if you want to cut taxes on the rich. It's bad framing if you want to have even a basic understanding of who pays how much in taxes.

There's a reason some would prefer that more limited conversation. For most Americans, payroll and state and local taxes make up the majority of their tax bill. The federal income tax, by contrast, is our most progressive tax -- it's the tax we've designed to place the heaviest burden on the rich while bypassing the poor. And we've done that, again, because the working class is already paying a fairly high tax bill through payroll and state and local taxes.

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But most people don't know very much about the tax code. And the federal income tax is still our most famous tax. So when they hear that half of Americans aren't paying federal income taxes, they're outraged -- even if they're among the folks who have a net negative tax burden! After all, they know they're paying taxes, and there's no reason for normal human beings to assume that the taxes getting taken out of their paycheck every week and some of the taxes they pay at the end of the year aren't classified as "federal income taxes."

Confining the discussion to the federal income tax plays another role, too: It makes the tax code look much more progressive than it actually is.

Take someone who makes $4 million dollars a year and someone who makes $40,000 a year. The person making $4 million dollars, assuming he's not doing some Romney-esque planning, is paying a 35 percent tax on most of that money. The person making $40,000 is probably paying no income tax at all. So that makes the system look really unfair to the rich guy.

That's the basic analysis of the 47 percent line. And it's a basic analysis that serves a purpose: It makes further tax cuts for the rich sound more reasonable.

But what if we did the same thing for the payroll tax? Remember, the payroll tax only applies to first $110,100 or so, our rich friends is only paying payroll taxes on 2.7 percent of his income. The guy making $40,000? He's paying payroll taxes on every dollar of his income. Now who's not getting a fair shake?

Which is why, if you want to understand who's paying what in taxes, you don't want to just look at federal income taxes, or federal payroll taxes, or state sales taxes -- you want to look at total taxes. And, luckily, the tax analysis group Citizens for Tax Justice keeps those numbers. So here is total taxes -- which includes corporate taxes, income taxes, payroll taxes, state sales taxes, and more -- paid by different income groups and broken into federal and state and local burdens:



total-tax-bill-income.jpg



That's really what the American tax system looks like: Not 47 percent paying nothing, but everybody paying something, and most Americans paying between 25 percent and 30 percent of their income -- which is, by the way, a lot more the 13.9 percent Mitt Romney paid in 2011*.

When politicians try to convince you that half of Americans aren't really paying taxes, it's usually because the real data undermines their preferred policies. For instance, you wouldn't look at these numbers and think tax cuts for the rich need to be a huge priority. And that's one reason people who want more tax cuts for the rich don't like to show you these numbers.
 
WTH is wrong with you? Enjoy the giant tax cut for the rich. Oh, richer than you...and GOP dereg bubble/bust......

Why shouldn't those that have been footing the bill get a cut and that applies to everyone that foots the bill. The 50% in this country that pay zero income tax have been freeloading long enough. It's high time they pay their fair share and quit expecting others to pay more into something to which they pay nothing.

Do you know what a family of four has to have as a family income before paying a dime in income taxes based solely on the makeup of the family? I can tell you but I want you to guess.
They already pay plenty, dupe. Fed income taxes are NOT the only kind of taxes, dupe.
The one tax graph you really need to know

By Ezra Klein September 19, 2012
At the heart of the debate over "the 47 percent" is an awful abuse of tax data.

This entire conversation is the result of a (largely successful) effort to redefine the debate over taxes from "how much in taxes do you pay" to "how much in federal income taxes do you pay?" This is good framing if you want to cut taxes on the rich. It's bad framing if you want to have even a basic understanding of who pays how much in taxes.

There's a reason some would prefer that more limited conversation. For most Americans, payroll and state and local taxes make up the majority of their tax bill. The federal income tax, by contrast, is our most progressive tax -- it's the tax we've designed to place the heaviest burden on the rich while bypassing the poor. And we've done that, again, because the working class is already paying a fairly high tax bill through payroll and state and local taxes.

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But most people don't know very much about the tax code. And the federal income tax is still our most famous tax. So when they hear that half of Americans aren't paying federal income taxes, they're outraged -- even if they're among the folks who have a net negative tax burden! After all, they know they're paying taxes, and there's no reason for normal human beings to assume that the taxes getting taken out of their paycheck every week and some of the taxes they pay at the end of the year aren't classified as "federal income taxes."

Confining the discussion to the federal income tax plays another role, too: It makes the tax code look much more progressive than it actually is.

Take someone who makes $4 million dollars a year and someone who makes $40,000 a year. The person making $4 million dollars, assuming he's not doing some Romney-esque planning, is paying a 35 percent tax on most of that money. The person making $40,000 is probably paying no income tax at all. So that makes the system look really unfair to the rich guy.

That's the basic analysis of the 47 percent line. And it's a basic analysis that serves a purpose: It makes further tax cuts for the rich sound more reasonable.

But what if we did the same thing for the payroll tax? Remember, the payroll tax only applies to first $110,100 or so, our rich friends is only paying payroll taxes on 2.7 percent of his income. The guy making $40,000? He's paying payroll taxes on every dollar of his income. Now who's not getting a fair shake?

Which is why, if you want to understand who's paying what in taxes, you don't want to just look at federal income taxes, or federal payroll taxes, or state sales taxes -- you want to look at total taxes. And, luckily, the tax analysis group Citizens for Tax Justice keeps those numbers. So here is total taxes -- which includes corporate taxes, income taxes, payroll taxes, state sales taxes, and more -- paid by different income groups and broken into federal and state and local burdens:



total-tax-bill-income.jpg



That's really what the American tax system looks like: Not 47 percent paying nothing, but everybody paying something, and most Americans paying between 25 percent and 30 percent of their income -- which is, by the way, a lot more the 13.9 percent Mitt Romney paid in 2011*.

When politicians try to convince you that half of Americans aren't really paying taxes, it's usually because the real data undermines their preferred policies. For instance, you wouldn't look at these numbers and think tax cuts for the rich need to be a huge priority. And that's one reason people who want more tax cuts for the rich don't like to show you these numbers.

That's the one you used several months ago claiming everyone paid between 20 - 30%. When I showed you it was wrong, you still didn't admit your mistake. Now you change your story. Typical NL.
 
^^^ this fools solution is tax increases, shocker. :cuckoo:
On the the bloated rich ONLY, dupe. Until Reagan, the top rate was 90%- when he left 28%. Ridiculous. 50% when his "miracle" happened...

You wish to punish the rich, why?
Because that's the way good taxes work and the country is healthy!!! Proved, ignorant dupe of the greedy idiot rich. And smart rich people agree EVERYWHERE.

Would you take an 80% pay cut? No you would not. Would you put your money at risk knowing 80% of what you 'might' make will be confiscated and doled out to moochers and deadbeats? No you would not. Consider yourself utterly destroyed.
That 80% would be only on income over 30 million or something, and loopholes would not be extinct either. Remain calm. Your poor billionaire brainwashers would survive...

And still have more value than the bottom feeders that demand everyone else support them. How sad it must be to know that someone could pay 80% of their income in taxes and still buy and sell a piece of shit like you a hundred times over.
 
81% rate hike for Obamacare - enough yet?
Now would be a really good time for Trump to produce the replacement he said he had. Every increase in health care costs is on him now and the fools who believed him. Trump lied and now his supporters who were stupid enough to believe him all have to pay serious cash for that mistake.

You cannot ask for better poetic justice than that.
 
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^^^ this fools solution is tax increases, shocker. :cuckoo:
On the the bloated rich ONLY, dupe. Until Reagan, the top rate was 90%- when he left 28%. Ridiculous. 50% when his "miracle" happened...

You wish to punish the rich, why?
Because that's the way good taxes work and the country is healthy!!! Proved, ignorant dupe of the greedy idiot rich. And smart rich people agree EVERYWHERE.

Would you take an 80% pay cut? No you would not. Would you put your money at risk knowing 80% of what you 'might' make will be confiscated and doled out to moochers and deadbeats? No you would not. Consider yourself utterly destroyed.
That 80% would be only on income over 30 million or something, and loopholes would not be extinct either. Remain calm. Your poor billionaire brainwashers would survive...

You honestly don't know where jobs come from, that's why Democrats got their asses beat.
 
81% rate hike for Obamacare - enough yet?
Now would be a really good time for Trump to produce the replacement he said he had. Every increase in health care costs is on him now and the fools who believed him. Trump lied and now his supporters who were stupid enough to believe him all have to pay serious cash for that mistake.

You cannot ask for better poetic justice than that.

It was the little black BOY that put Obamacare in place. Without that travesty being started, nothing would have to be done. However, if anyone is to blame, it's McCain. I guess when he couldn't even beat a black guy for President, he had to do something to save face.
 

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