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The product they produce should be based on the product they are given.....not some arbitrary “one size fits all” standardAh, the old teachers don’t get paid enough bullshit.You have to change society first! You cannot make chicken salad out of chicken shit!
Yes. For starters, stop mixing all levels of abilities. Academics have their own classes. Those not academically inclined go to vocational classes. Those who have special needs go to special needs classes. Those who are unmotivated and cause a disturbance go to the disturbed school. ESL students go to ESL classes until their English becomes proficient enough to attend the above mentioned regular classes.
Just for starters. This is how it was done when I was in school. At that time, America was ranked #1 in the world.
Mixing levels of abilities? Then why are you demanding such high performance out of kids? That ranking is not going to improve is some kids only take Math of Dummies instead of the Algebra II currently required in most states. Also, last time I checked, vocational classes involved some fairly complicated math such as geometry and algebra.
Who are you going to get to teach these juvenile delinquents in training? Teachers don't get paid enough already and now you want them to put up with classes comprised of derelicts?
If you want ESL students taken care of, tell that to Congress who thinks they should be fluent in English in only two years when all research says it takes a good 7 years. If we do as you propose, the students will not learn any other subjects until they master English? Great plan!
Why don't you run for your local school board with that plan and see how far you get? You might get one vote if you vote for yourself. I doubt your family and friends are that dumb.
That’s why 300 qualified applicants apply for one teachers job.
https://nypost.com/2018/02/14/why-americas-teacher-shortage-is-going-to-get-worse/
America's new education crisis: A teacher shortage
Many US States Struggle with Teacher Shortages
Considering the responsibilities, teachers should be paid as professionals, not fry flippers. They should at least have Masters degrees in their chosen subjects.
Their work should also be judged at a professional level, by the product they produce. If they don't produce, out on their ass they go immediately following review.
Ah, the old teachers don’t get paid enough bullshit.You have to change society first! You cannot make chicken salad out of chicken shit!
Yes. For starters, stop mixing all levels of abilities. Academics have their own classes. Those not academically inclined go to vocational classes. Those who have special needs go to special needs classes. Those who are unmotivated and cause a disturbance go to the disturbed school. ESL students go to ESL classes until their English becomes proficient enough to attend the above mentioned regular classes.
Just for starters. This is how it was done when I was in school. At that time, America was ranked #1 in the world.
Mixing levels of abilities? Then why are you demanding such high performance out of kids? That ranking is not going to improve is some kids only take Math of Dummies instead of the Algebra II currently required in most states. Also, last time I checked, vocational classes involved some fairly complicated math such as geometry and algebra.
Who are you going to get to teach these juvenile delinquents in training? Teachers don't get paid enough already and now you want them to put up with classes comprised of derelicts?
If you want ESL students taken care of, tell that to Congress who thinks they should be fluent in English in only two years when all research says it takes a good 7 years. If we do as you propose, the students will not learn any other subjects until they master English? Great plan!
Why don't you run for your local school board with that plan and see how far you get? You might get one vote if you vote for yourself. I doubt your family and friends are that dumb.
That’s why 300 qualified applicants apply for one teachers job.
https://nypost.com/2018/02/14/why-americas-teacher-shortage-is-going-to-get-worse/
America's new education crisis: A teacher shortage
Many US States Struggle with Teacher Shortages
Considering the responsibilities, teachers should be paid as professionals, not fry flippers. They should at least have Masters degrees in their chosen subjects.
Their work should also be judged at a professional level, by the product they produce. If they don't produce, out on their ass they go immediately following review.
....
Their work should also be judged at a professional level, by the product they produce. If they don't produce, out on their ass they go immediately following review.
Define "produce."
Students either ready to enter college without remedial work, or prepared to enter the work force.
....
Their work should also be judged at a professional level, by the product they produce. If they don't produce, out on their ass they go immediately following review.
Define "produce."
Students either ready to enter college without remedial work, or prepared to enter the work force.
My state has a way to measure that called "College and Career Ready!" It is a struggle to get 60% because the students don't really give a shit about it as long as they graduate.
Ah, the old teachers don’t get paid enough bullshit.Yes. For starters, stop mixing all levels of abilities. Academics have their own classes. Those not academically inclined go to vocational classes. Those who have special needs go to special needs classes. Those who are unmotivated and cause a disturbance go to the disturbed school. ESL students go to ESL classes until their English becomes proficient enough to attend the above mentioned regular classes.
Just for starters. This is how it was done when I was in school. At that time, America was ranked #1 in the world.
Mixing levels of abilities? Then why are you demanding such high performance out of kids? That ranking is not going to improve is some kids only take Math of Dummies instead of the Algebra II currently required in most states. Also, last time I checked, vocational classes involved some fairly complicated math such as geometry and algebra.
Who are you going to get to teach these juvenile delinquents in training? Teachers don't get paid enough already and now you want them to put up with classes comprised of derelicts?
If you want ESL students taken care of, tell that to Congress who thinks they should be fluent in English in only two years when all research says it takes a good 7 years. If we do as you propose, the students will not learn any other subjects until they master English? Great plan!
Why don't you run for your local school board with that plan and see how far you get? You might get one vote if you vote for yourself. I doubt your family and friends are that dumb.
That’s why 300 qualified applicants apply for one teachers job.
https://nypost.com/2018/02/14/why-americas-teacher-shortage-is-going-to-get-worse/
America's new education crisis: A teacher shortage
Many US States Struggle with Teacher Shortages
Considering the responsibilities, teachers should be paid as professionals, not fry flippers. They should at least have Masters degrees in their chosen subjects.
Their work should also be judged at a professional level, by the product they produce. If they don't produce, out on their ass they go immediately following review.
Why should I have a Master's degree in mathematics to teach math, when I never had an undergraduate degree in mathematics?
....
Their work should also be judged at a professional level, by the product they produce. If they don't produce, out on their ass they go immediately following review.
Define "produce."
Students either ready to enter college without remedial work, or prepared to enter the work force.
My state has a way to measure that called "College and Career Ready!" It is a struggle to get 60% because the students don't really give a shit about it as long as they graduate.
When I was in school, 60% was failure.
So, they control you. You do not control them. Why don't you try not passing them if they don't perform to minimum standards?
Ah, the old teachers don’t get paid enough bullshit.Mixing levels of abilities? Then why are you demanding such high performance out of kids? That ranking is not going to improve is some kids only take Math of Dummies instead of the Algebra II currently required in most states. Also, last time I checked, vocational classes involved some fairly complicated math such as geometry and algebra.
Who are you going to get to teach these juvenile delinquents in training? Teachers don't get paid enough already and now you want them to put up with classes comprised of derelicts?
If you want ESL students taken care of, tell that to Congress who thinks they should be fluent in English in only two years when all research says it takes a good 7 years. If we do as you propose, the students will not learn any other subjects until they master English? Great plan!
Why don't you run for your local school board with that plan and see how far you get? You might get one vote if you vote for yourself. I doubt your family and friends are that dumb.
That’s why 300 qualified applicants apply for one teachers job.
https://nypost.com/2018/02/14/why-americas-teacher-shortage-is-going-to-get-worse/
America's new education crisis: A teacher shortage
Many US States Struggle with Teacher Shortages
Considering the responsibilities, teachers should be paid as professionals, not fry flippers. They should at least have Masters degrees in their chosen subjects.
Their work should also be judged at a professional level, by the product they produce. If they don't produce, out on their ass they go immediately following review.
Why should I have a Master's degree in mathematics to teach math, when I never had an undergraduate degree in mathematics?
Would you let the ground crew teach you to fly an aircraft?
....
Their work should also be judged at a professional level, by the product they produce. If they don't produce, out on their ass they go immediately following review.
Define "produce."
Students either ready to enter college without remedial work, or prepared to enter the work force.
My state has a way to measure that called "College and Career Ready!" It is a struggle to get 60% because the students don't really give a shit about it as long as they graduate.
When I was in school, 60% was failure.
So, they control you. You do not control them. Why don't you try not passing them if they don't perform to minimum standards?
In this case, the are no minimum standards. Do you propose failing them for doing poorly on the ACT?
I and most teachers would have liked to keep their jobs when I was working. Administrators do not like pressure from their superintendents when students are actually held accountable by the teachers and earn failing grades.
Ah, the old teachers don’t get paid enough bullshit.
That’s why 300 qualified applicants apply for one teachers job.
https://nypost.com/2018/02/14/why-americas-teacher-shortage-is-going-to-get-worse/
America's new education crisis: A teacher shortage
Many US States Struggle with Teacher Shortages
Considering the responsibilities, teachers should be paid as professionals, not fry flippers. They should at least have Masters degrees in their chosen subjects.
Their work should also be judged at a professional level, by the product they produce. If they don't produce, out on their ass they go immediately following review.
Why should I have a Master's degree in mathematics to teach math, when I never had an undergraduate degree in mathematics?
Would you let the ground crew teach you to fly an aircraft?
Nope. Your example makes no sense. Would I let a ground crew member who was also a pilot teach me how to fly an aircraft? Absolutely!
Having a Master's degree just means that you are exceptionally overqualified to teach high school math because they are about as close as the Earth and the Moon.
Considering the responsibilities, teachers should be paid as professionals, not fry flippers. They should at least have Masters degrees in their chosen subjects.
Their work should also be judged at a professional level, by the product they produce. If they don't produce, out on their ass they go immediately following review.
Why should I have a Master's degree in mathematics to teach math, when I never had an undergraduate degree in mathematics?
Would you let the ground crew teach you to fly an aircraft?
Nope. Your example makes no sense. Would I let a ground crew member who was also a pilot teach me how to fly an aircraft? Absolutely!
That , of course, was not the question, and your avoidance of it is interesting.
Having a Master's degree just means that you are exceptionally overqualified to teach high school math because they are about as close as the Earth and the Moon.
Too funny. A BA these days is equivalent to a high school level education when I was there. Unless that's what you want teaching your kids, you go to the next step up the ladder.
Considering the responsibilities, teachers should be paid as professionals, not fry flippers. They should at least have Masters degrees in their chosen subjects.
Their work should also be judged at a professional level, by the product they produce. If they don't produce, out on their ass they go immediately following review.
Why should I have a Master's degree in mathematics to teach math, when I never had an undergraduate degree in mathematics?
Would you let the ground crew teach you to fly an aircraft?
Nope. Your example makes no sense. Would I let a ground crew member who was also a pilot teach me how to fly an aircraft? Absolutely!
That , of course, was not the question, and your avoidance of it is interesting.
Having a Master's degree just means that you are exceptionally overqualified to teach high school math because they are about as close as the Earth and the Moon.
Too funny. A BA these days is equivalent to a high school level education when I was there. Unless that's what you want teaching your kids, you go to the next step up the ladder.
Knowing more about a subject than you are teaching makes little sense.
Define "produce."
Students either ready to enter college without remedial work, or prepared to enter the work force.
My state has a way to measure that called "College and Career Ready!" It is a struggle to get 60% because the students don't really give a shit about it as long as they graduate.
When I was in school, 60% was failure.
So, they control you. You do not control them. Why don't you try not passing them if they don't perform to minimum standards?
In this case, the are no minimum standards. Do you propose failing them for doing poorly on the ACT?
I and most teachers would have liked to keep their jobs when I was working. Administrators do not like pressure from their superintendents when students are actually held accountable by the teachers and earn failing grades.
Indeed, which is why widespread changes must be made. There must be minimum standards. and they must be set rather high.
Why should I have a Master's degree in mathematics to teach math, when I never had an undergraduate degree in mathematics?
Would you let the ground crew teach you to fly an aircraft?
Nope. Your example makes no sense. Would I let a ground crew member who was also a pilot teach me how to fly an aircraft? Absolutely!
That , of course, was not the question, and your avoidance of it is interesting.
Having a Master's degree just means that you are exceptionally overqualified to teach high school math because they are about as close as the Earth and the Moon.
Too funny. A BA these days is equivalent to a high school level education when I was there. Unless that's what you want teaching your kids, you go to the next step up the ladder.
Knowing more about a subject than you are teaching makes little sense.
Good Gawd Almighty! Unbelievable. That's an appallingly stupid statement.
"I'm sorry Dave, but this conversation no longer has any meaning. Goodbye."
Your education is lacking because you can’t see the trees thru the forest. Public education is a major failure and the reason young adults are so clueless.Considering the responsibilities, teachers should be paid as professionals, not fry flippers. They should at least have Masters degrees in their chosen subjects.
Their work should also be judged at a professional level, by the product they produce. If they don't produce, out on their ass they go immediately following review.
Why should I have a Master's degree in mathematics to teach math, when I never had an undergraduate degree in mathematics?
Would you let the ground crew teach you to fly an aircraft?
Nope. Your example makes no sense. Would I let a ground crew member who was also a pilot teach me how to fly an aircraft? Absolutely!
That , of course, was not the question, and your avoidance of it is interesting.
Having a Master's degree just means that you are exceptionally overqualified to teach high school math because they are about as close as the Earth and the Moon.
Too funny. A BA these days is equivalent to a high school level education when I was there. Unless that's what you want teaching your kids, you go to the next step up the ladder.
Knowing more about a subject than you are teaching makes little sense. I can do differential calculus, but that doesn't make me a better teacher in algebra and geometry, now does it? I could could spend months teaching about the Civil War because I studied it intensively in school, but my standards might allow me about 3 days time. Doing that, all of my education is superfluous!
The ignorance you display regarding education in general is amazing!
Would you let the ground crew teach you to fly an aircraft?
Nope. Your example makes no sense. Would I let a ground crew member who was also a pilot teach me how to fly an aircraft? Absolutely!
That , of course, was not the question, and your avoidance of it is interesting.
Having a Master's degree just means that you are exceptionally overqualified to teach high school math because they are about as close as the Earth and the Moon.
Too funny. A BA these days is equivalent to a high school level education when I was there. Unless that's what you want teaching your kids, you go to the next step up the ladder.
Knowing more about a subject than you are teaching makes little sense.
Good Gawd Almighty! Unbelievable. That's an appallingly stupid statement.
"I'm sorry Dave, but this conversation no longer has any meaning. Goodbye."
I am sorry that your tiny little brain cannot accept the concept that I don't need a doctoral degree in nuclear physics to teach Earth-Space Science in middle school.
Why are you such a dumbass on this topic? Did a teacher run away with your wife or girlfriend?
Your education is lacking because you can’t see the trees thru the forest. Public education is a major failure and the reason young adults are so clueless.Why should I have a Master's degree in mathematics to teach math, when I never had an undergraduate degree in mathematics?
Would you let the ground crew teach you to fly an aircraft?
Nope. Your example makes no sense. Would I let a ground crew member who was also a pilot teach me how to fly an aircraft? Absolutely!
That , of course, was not the question, and your avoidance of it is interesting.
Having a Master's degree just means that you are exceptionally overqualified to teach high school math because they are about as close as the Earth and the Moon.
Too funny. A BA these days is equivalent to a high school level education when I was there. Unless that's what you want teaching your kids, you go to the next step up the ladder.
Knowing more about a subject than you are teaching makes little sense. I can do differential calculus, but that doesn't make me a better teacher in algebra and geometry, now does it? I could could spend months teaching about the Civil War because I studied it intensively in school, but my standards might allow me about 3 days time. Doing that, all of my education is superfluous!
The ignorance you display regarding education in general is amazing!
For example Los Angeles school district jumped from a 50% high school graduation rate to a 70% in one year. How’d they do that? They simply stopped giving the competency test to graduate. And still 30% could not graduate.
The running joke now is we can write in cursive as a secret code so millennials won’t read it.
Look at the Lefts Socialist Girl who’s running for office. She has the knowledge of an 8 year old in economics yet finished 2nd in her Harvard (Yale?) class majoring in economics.
At the same time I’ve talked to 8 year olds who were homeschooled and had adult discussions on topics like the meaning of life, social issues in the world, history, etc etc.
Education in America sucks.
Immigrants come here for economic reasons, not our education system.Your education is lacking because you can’t see the trees thru the forest. Public education is a major failure and the reason young adults are so clueless.Would you let the ground crew teach you to fly an aircraft?
Nope. Your example makes no sense. Would I let a ground crew member who was also a pilot teach me how to fly an aircraft? Absolutely!
That , of course, was not the question, and your avoidance of it is interesting.
Having a Master's degree just means that you are exceptionally overqualified to teach high school math because they are about as close as the Earth and the Moon.
Too funny. A BA these days is equivalent to a high school level education when I was there. Unless that's what you want teaching your kids, you go to the next step up the ladder.
Knowing more about a subject than you are teaching makes little sense. I can do differential calculus, but that doesn't make me a better teacher in algebra and geometry, now does it? I could could spend months teaching about the Civil War because I studied it intensively in school, but my standards might allow me about 3 days time. Doing that, all of my education is superfluous!
The ignorance you display regarding education in general is amazing!
For example Los Angeles school district jumped from a 50% high school graduation rate to a 70% in one year. How’d they do that? They simply stopped giving the competency test to graduate. And still 30% could not graduate.
The running joke now is we can write in cursive as a secret code so millennials won’t read it.
Look at the Lefts Socialist Girl who’s running for office. She has the knowledge of an 8 year old in economics yet finished 2nd in her Harvard (Yale?) class majoring in economics.
At the same time I’ve talked to 8 year olds who were homeschooled and had adult discussions on topics like the meaning of life, social issues in the world, history, etc etc.
Education in America sucks.
Then why do students from all over the world flock to our shores for education?
Immigrants come here for economic reasons, not our education system.Your education is lacking because you can’t see the trees thru the forest. Public education is a major failure and the reason young adults are so clueless.Nope. Your example makes no sense. Would I let a ground crew member who was also a pilot teach me how to fly an aircraft? Absolutely!
That , of course, was not the question, and your avoidance of it is interesting.
Having a Master's degree just means that you are exceptionally overqualified to teach high school math because they are about as close as the Earth and the Moon.
Too funny. A BA these days is equivalent to a high school level education when I was there. Unless that's what you want teaching your kids, you go to the next step up the ladder.
Knowing more about a subject than you are teaching makes little sense. I can do differential calculus, but that doesn't make me a better teacher in algebra and geometry, now does it? I could could spend months teaching about the Civil War because I studied it intensively in school, but my standards might allow me about 3 days time. Doing that, all of my education is superfluous!
The ignorance you display regarding education in general is amazing!
For example Los Angeles school district jumped from a 50% high school graduation rate to a 70% in one year. How’d they do that? They simply stopped giving the competency test to graduate. And still 30% could not graduate.
The running joke now is we can write in cursive as a secret code so millennials won’t read it.
Look at the Lefts Socialist Girl who’s running for office. She has the knowledge of an 8 year old in economics yet finished 2nd in her Harvard (Yale?) class majoring in economics.
At the same time I’ve talked to 8 year olds who were homeschooled and had adult discussions on topics like the meaning of life, social issues in the world, history, etc etc.
Education in America sucks.
Then why do students from all over the world flock to our shores for education?
....
If it’s free taxpayer education by a university riding on a name built by people long dead, yes.Immigrants come here for economic reasons, not our education system.Your education is lacking because you can’t see the trees thru the forest. Public education is a major failure and the reason young adults are so clueless.That , of course, was not the question, and your avoidance of it is interesting.
Too funny. A BA these days is equivalent to a high school level education when I was there. Unless that's what you want teaching your kids, you go to the next step up the ladder.
Knowing more about a subject than you are teaching makes little sense. I can do differential calculus, but that doesn't make me a better teacher in algebra and geometry, now does it? I could could spend months teaching about the Civil War because I studied it intensively in school, but my standards might allow me about 3 days time. Doing that, all of my education is superfluous!
The ignorance you display regarding education in general is amazing!
For example Los Angeles school district jumped from a 50% high school graduation rate to a 70% in one year. How’d they do that? They simply stopped giving the competency test to graduate. And still 30% could not graduate.
The running joke now is we can write in cursive as a secret code so millennials won’t read it.
Look at the Lefts Socialist Girl who’s running for office. She has the knowledge of an 8 year old in economics yet finished 2nd in her Harvard (Yale?) class majoring in economics.
At the same time I’ve talked to 8 year olds who were homeschooled and had adult discussions on topics like the meaning of life, social issues in the world, history, etc etc.
Education in America sucks.
Then why do students from all over the world flock to our shores for education?
....
Many thousands come here every year for education.
If it’s free taxpayer education by a university riding on a name built by people long dead, yes.Immigrants come here for economic reasons, not our education system.Your education is lacking because you can’t see the trees thru the forest. Public education is a major failure and the reason young adults are so clueless.Knowing more about a subject than you are teaching makes little sense. I can do differential calculus, but that doesn't make me a better teacher in algebra and geometry, now does it? I could could spend months teaching about the Civil War because I studied it intensively in school, but my standards might allow me about 3 days time. Doing that, all of my education is superfluous!
The ignorance you display regarding education in general is amazing!
For example Los Angeles school district jumped from a 50% high school graduation rate to a 70% in one year. How’d they do that? They simply stopped giving the competency test to graduate. And still 30% could not graduate.
The running joke now is we can write in cursive as a secret code so millennials won’t read it.
Look at the Lefts Socialist Girl who’s running for office. She has the knowledge of an 8 year old in economics yet finished 2nd in her Harvard (Yale?) class majoring in economics.
At the same time I’ve talked to 8 year olds who were homeschooled and had adult discussions on topics like the meaning of life, social issues in the world, history, etc etc.
Education in America sucks.
Then why do students from all over the world flock to our shores for education?
....
Many thousands come here every year for education.
