Disir
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Weird. You try to argue against me and then you actually argue for me. And then call me a dirtbag.Your "sources" are rather odd.Strategies to Reverse The New Nursing ShortageThere is no nursing shortage. There is no engineering shortage. There is no teacher shortage. There is no IT shortage. Stop screwing Americans over for a POLITICAL PARTY.
2018's Software Engineering Talent Shortage— It’s quality, not just quantity
I'm starting to think you may be tarded. So far, you aren't posting anything that proves me wrong.
There is no shortage of either.
Nursing shortage largely a myth for job seekers
https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/abs/10.1377/hlthaff.23.3.78
The STEM Crisis Is a Myth
Clinton: It's 'heartbreaking' when IT workers must train H-1B replacements
Tech workers at UCSF face layoff, training their low paid replacements
Despite High Unemployment, U.S. Companies Are Hiring From Overseas At Record Pace
You're voting against your own interests. Shooting yourself in the foot.
The first one for instance starts off:
The American College of Medical Quality projects a national shortage of 300,000 to 1 million nurses in 2020.
and then talks about "Marc" who couldn't get a job with a jr. college degree with zero experience in an economically depressed area. Shocking.
The next one is about recruiting foreign nurses because "gasp", there is a shortage of nurses here.
Then your next link is basicly an opinion piece. The author pretty much admits it:
Such inconsistencies don’t just create confusion for numbers junkies like me; they also make rational policy discussions difficult. Depending on your point of view, you can easily cherry-pick data to bolster your argument.
Worse, he ends with this observation:
I and many others would argue, is that everyone needs a solid grounding in science, engineering, and math. In that sense, there is indeed a shortage—a STEM knowledge shortage.
The next link is about a greedy organization. Nothing to do with the subject.
And finally the last link is about companies hiring people from overseas because they can't find the talent here.
MY GOD FOOL. Didn't you bother to read your own links? I read them. I'm ashamed for you. But this is something your kind does again and again.
You can't just post an opinion piece because you like the title. You have to actually read it to make sure it backs up what you are trying to say.
I can tell you this for a fact, if the title flies in the face of common sense, then someone else, probably an editor, wrote the title to get the viewer to read the article.
Actually, I have posted these before for the H1B visa issues.
First link:
About 10 years ago, Minnesota did have a nursing shortage, said Oriane Casale, a labor market analyst with the Minnesota Department of Employment and Economic Development. The job vacancy rate for registered nurse positions then was frequently twice as high as the rest of the job market.
In 2002, the job vacancy rate for registered nurses climbed as high as about 7 percent. That meant that for every 100 jobs in the field, there were nearly seven openings.
But in the last few years, demand has softened. As the recession hit, people used health care less, prompting hospitals to hire fewer new nurses. Some nurses delayed retirement, which meant fewer positions coming open. Meanwhile, schools kept churning out new nurses.
"There are lots of jobs, but there are also a lot of graduates," Casale said.
By the end of last year, for every 100 RNs with jobs, there were only about two openings. That's no better than the average job vacancy rate for Minnesota's overall labor market.
Nursing shortage largely a myth for job seekers
Second link:
Although hospitals agree that the initial cost of recruiting foreign nurses is higher than that of hiring domestic nurses, many feel that they save money in the long run because of reduced turnover and the agency’s assurance of full or partial remuneration if recruited nurses fail their contractual obligations. Recruiting abroad may also be less costly than raising salaries, increasing benefits, and providing other economic incentives needed to retain domestic nurses. Under the terms and conditions of hiring foreign nurses from recruiting agencies, therefore, hospitals enter into a relatively risk-free arrangement that provides further incentive for procuring staff abroad. Strategies for such recruitment at one facility are described in a 2003 AHA report on workplace innovations. 38
The advantages of recruiting foreign nurses have had particular appeal for long-term care facilities. Since 1989 nursing homes have secured foreign nurses through an “attestation” process stipulated in the Immigration Nursing Relief Act (INRA). 39 In recent years recruitment agencies have capitalized on the crisis in long-term care staffing, partnering with nursing home operators to provide nurses from several countries. 40 Long-term care institutions will likely continue to look abroad to fill nearly 14,000 staff RN and 25,100 licensed practical nurse (LPN) vacancies. 41
Third link:
What’s perhaps most perplexing about the claim of a STEM worker shortage is that many studies have directly contradicted it, including reports from Duke University, the Rochester Institute of Technology, the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation, and the Rand Corp. A 2004 Rand study, for example, stated that there was no evidence “that such shortages have existed at least since 1990, nor that they are on the horizon.”
That report argued that the best indicator of a shortfall would be a widespread rise in salaries throughout the STEM community. But the price of labor has not risen, as you would expect it to do if STEM workers were scarce. In computing and IT, wages have generally been stagnant for the past decade, according to the EPI and other analyses. And over the past 30 years, according to the Georgetown report, engineers’ and engineering technicians’ wages have grown the least of all STEM wages and also more slowly than those in non-STEM fields; while STEM workers as a group have seen wages rise 33 percent and non-STEM workers’ wages rose by 23 percent, engineering salaries grew by just 18 percent. The situation is even more grim for those who get a Ph.D. in science, math, or engineering. The Georgetown study states it succinctly: “At the highest levels of educational attainment, STEM wages are not competitive.”
Given all of the above, it is difficult to make a case that there has been, is, or will soon be a STEM labor shortage. “If there was really a STEM labor market crisis, you’d be seeing very different behaviors from companies,” notes Ron Hira, an associate professor of public policy at the Rochester Institute of Technology, in New York state. “You wouldn’t see companies cutting their retirement contributions, or hiring new workers and giving them worse benefits packages. Instead you would see signing bonuses, you’d see wage increases. You would see these companies really training their incumbent workers.”
“None of those things are observable,” Hira says. “In fact, they’re operating in the opposite way.”
...Clearly, powerful forces must be at work to perpetuate the cycle. One is obvious: the bottom line. Companies would rather not pay STEM professionals high salaries with lavish benefits, offer them training on the job, or guarantee them decades of stable employment. So having an oversupply of workers, whether domestically educated or imported, is to their benefit. It gives employers a larger pool from which they can pick the “best and the brightest,” and it helps keep wages in check. No less an authority than Alan Greenspan, former chairman of the Federal Reserve, said as much when in 2007 he advocated boosting the number of skilled immigrants entering the United States so as to “suppress” the wages of their U.S. counterparts, which he considered too high.
See, and that is when I realized you are far more of a dirtbag then I originally gave you credit for. Incidentally, it's why I am ok with the total destruction of the Democratic Party. There is nothing wrong with the links. You just do not give a shit about American workers.
You said there is a surplus and then you say there are jobs but they are recruiting overseas. If there weren't a surplus, then they wouldn't bother to recruit overseas.
And this: the bottom line. Companies would rather not pay STEM professionals high salaries with lavish benefits, offer them training on the job, or guarantee them decades of stable employment.
You're right, Companies would rather not offer expensive job training. Not when they can hired those already educated. Which is why it's so weird that Republicans cut education and insist college is "bad" for America.
It's difficult to understand your "rational" because it's so all over the place. Clearly, when unemployment is less than 4.5% and unfilled jobs number 6 million because of a skills gap, there are lots of jobs to choose from. With the proper education. Something Republicans are against. You can't refuse education and then whine immigrants are getting the best jobs.
Well you can. But it makes you look rather idiotic.
The idiot here is you. You have a surplus and you don't want to pay them. It's pretty simple shit.
No. It makes sense. You just need to go back and read it. Take note, the Democratic Party has their hands in the kitty jar and is all about faux privatization for public schools.
