70% Ca. doctors will not participate in obama's unaffordable care act

[Katzndogz]

Most specialists won't take obamacare, get ready to take out a mortgage on your home if you need heart surgery.

Do you have proof of this or are you once again making stuff up?

I have Kaiser, surgery, $10 (Ten Dollars); annual physical, Free; annual labs, free; specialist appointments, $10. Of course we pay a monthly premium of $334.00 (for two of us) but our prescriptions - for 90-day supplies - are ... $10.

If all of those who purchase individual health insurance policies got together and purchased in mass they would get better benefits at a lower cost. Even you might be able to figure out why. Hence, the theory behind the PPACA.

So, all the negativity by you and the other haters hurt other Americans.

If you have Kaiser, then you know that you are limited to employed Kaiser doctors. You can't go out of the Kaiser system to have some other doctor. You can't go to a hospital that isn't a Kaiser hospital. However good or bad your Kaiser doctor is, you might get another Kaiser doctor but you can't get some other doctor. You can't go to another hospital and Kaiser will pay the benefit. It's Kaiser or nothing. If you look at your agreement you will find a couple of things.

One is that out of Kaiser service is available for emergency room care while traveling only. If you are away from any Kaiser facility and suffer a medical emergency and have to go to a non Kaiser hospital you will be stabilized and sent to the nearest Kaiser facility.

The other thing is and you should have noticed. You waived your right to sue Kaiser for medical malpractice. All malpractice claims are handled through binding arbitration at a Kaiser medical board. You don't get to run down to the local courthouse and file a lawsuit because your doctor cut off the wrong foot. Look at the binding arbitration clause and see what your limitations are. Likely there is also a cap on recovery.

Some hospitals are setting up their own networks. You pay out of pocket for such care and can go to that hospital or any doctor affiliated with that hospital under your local plan. Very much like Kaiser works.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Most specialists won't take obamacare, get ready to take out a mortgage on your home if you need heart surgery.

So let me get this newest rightwing myth straight...

Before Obamacare, the guy with the $50/month junk insurance policy could get heart surgery,

but now, after he's acquired a more comprehensive policy with better coverage from the private insurance exchange market,

the surgeon won't operate on him?

Seriously? Does ANYONE believe that? Besides the retard above?

 

[Wry Catcher]

Most specialists won't take obamacare, get ready to take out a mortgage on your home if you need heart surgery.

Do you have proof of this or are you once again making stuff up?

I have Kaiser, surgery, $10 (Ten Dollars); annual physical, Free; annual labs, free; specialist appointments, $10. Of course we pay a monthly premium of $334.00 (for two of us) but our prescriptions - for 90-day supplies - are ... $10.

If all of those who purchase individual health insurance policies got together and purchased in mass they would get better benefits at a lower cost. Even you might be able to figure out why. Hence, the theory behind the PPACA.

So, all the negativity by you and the other haters hurt other Americans.

If you have Kaiser, then you know that you are limited to employed Kaiser doctors. You can't go out of the Kaiser system to have some other doctor. You can't go to a hospital that isn't a Kaiser hospital. However good or bad your Kaiser doctor is, you might get another Kaiser doctor but you can't get some other doctor. You can't go to another hospital and Kaiser will pay the benefit. It's Kaiser or nothing. If you look at your agreement you will find a couple of things.

One is that out of Kaiser service is available for emergency room care while traveling only. If you are away from any Kaiser facility and suffer a medical emergency and have to go to a non Kaiser hospital you will be stabilized and sent to the nearest Kaiser facility.

So?

The other thing is and you should have noticed. You waived your right to sue Kaiser for medical malpractice. All malpractice claims are handled through binding arbitration at a Kaiser medical board. You don't get to run down to the local courthouse and file a lawsuit because your doctor cut off the wrong foot. Look at the binding arbitration clause and see what your limitations are. Likely there is also a cap on recovery.

So? Seems this is what the Conservative base have been told they want.

Some hospitals are setting up their own networks. You pay out of pocket for such care and can go to that hospital or any doctor affiliated with that hospital under your local plan. Very much like Kaiser works.

And very much more expensive

My pay "out of pocket" is Ten Dollars. My son, who is a Teamster, has Zero out of Pocket and his brother will soon have the same Kaiser coverage.

My family of four have picked our own personal Kaiser doctor, one annual visit with labs costs nothing. That is called preventative medicine, and something I believe ever citizens in our county deserves (yes as a Right for living in an exceptional country).

When the personal physician makes a referral to a specialist, there is no fee. Such is a great difference between and HMO and PPO, see:

HMO vs PPO - Difference and Comparison | Diffen

 

[Redfish]

Most specialists won't take obamacare, get ready to take out a mortgage on your home if you need heart surgery.

So let me get this newest rightwing myth straight...

Before Obamacare, the guy with the $50/month junk insurance policy could get heart surgery,

but now, after he's acquired a more comprehensive policy with better coverage from the private insurance exchange market,

the surgeon won't operate on him?

Seriously? Does ANYONE believe that? Besides the retard above?

yes, he could. after he paid his deductible, the insurance would pay the balance of his heart surgery. but he did not have maternity coverage-----------------

 

[Harry Dresden]

And very much more expensive

My pay "out of pocket" is Ten Dollars. My son, who is a Teamster, has Zero out of Pocket and his brother will soon have the same Kaiser coverage.

My family of four have picked our own personal Kaiser doctor, one annual visit with labs costs nothing. That is called preventative medicine, and something I believe ever citizens in our county deserves (yes as a Right for living in an exceptional country).

When the personal physician makes a referral to a specialist, there is no fee. Such is a great difference between and HMO and PPO, see:

HMO vs PPO - Difference and Comparison | Diffen

well i hope you are having better luck with Kaiser then me and my wife had.....they were for doing whatever it takes to not have to spend money on you.....went to Blue Shield....they did all the tests on my wife that Kaiser rejected....Kaiser jaded me for life....

 

[Vox]

You, my friend, as normally, can't think clearly.

The costs if up, and the subsidies make up for that difference, will put $$$ in the doctors' pockets.

Jake, that just isn't how it works. Providers are paid via the terms of their contracts with insurance companies. It's not as if extra magic dollar bills come down from subsidies and go straight into a doctor's pockets above and beyond that. Insurance company reimbursements to providers and ACA subsidies TO insurance companies for patients are two entirely different things. Not even close. Not in the same zip code.

And most importantly, the insurance companies have long since calculated anticipated subsidies when creating, negotiating and completing their contracts with the providers, so the payments to the providers are set in stone. There are going to be PLENTY of times in which the docs are going to be seeing patients at a loss, especially with the fucking FLOOD of Medicaid patients headed their way. You MUST know that. And worse, their calculations are based on information provided by HHS, which bases its calculations on the ACA, which apparently based its calculations on a tequila party and a Quija™ board. You're not even close here. .

More reactionary 'fuzzy logic.' The doctors will participate because they will make profit. That's how those insurance calculations are made. What they will not make is obscene profit.

No, they won't . Either participate or make profit. That is the whole point of them NOT participating.
As the vast majority does not participate in Medicaid as it pays 40% of what private insurance pays and 50% of what Medicare does.
It is simply not worth it to take those patients.
Educate yourself on the issue of reimbursement and overhead before you can make a statement on what and why doctors will accept in terms of insurance.
Many don't accept some offenders, absolutely private ones, for the same reason

 

[Vox]

Do you have proof of this or are you once again making stuff up?

I have Kaiser, surgery, $10 (Ten Dollars); annual physical, Free; annual labs, free; specialist appointments, $10. Of course we pay a monthly premium of $334.00 (for two of us) but our prescriptions - for 90-day supplies - are ... $10.

If all of those who purchase individual health insurance policies got together and purchased in mass they would get better benefits at a lower cost. Even you might be able to figure out why. Hence, the theory behind the PPACA.

So, all the negativity by you and the other haters hurt other Americans.

If you have Kaiser, then you know that you are limited to employed Kaiser doctors. You can't go out of the Kaiser system to have some other doctor. You can't go to a hospital that isn't a Kaiser hospital. However good or bad your Kaiser doctor is, you might get another Kaiser doctor but you can't get some other doctor. You can't go to another hospital and Kaiser will pay the benefit. It's Kaiser or nothing. If you look at your agreement you will find a couple of things.

One is that out of Kaiser service is available for emergency room care while traveling only. If you are away from any Kaiser facility and suffer a medical emergency and have to go to a non Kaiser hospital you will be stabilized and sent to the nearest Kaiser facility.

So?

The other thing is and you should have noticed. You waived your right to sue Kaiser for medical malpractice. All malpractice claims are handled through binding arbitration at a Kaiser medical board. You don't get to run down to the local courthouse and file a lawsuit because your doctor cut off the wrong foot. Look at the binding arbitration clause and see what your limitations are. Likely there is also a cap on recovery.

So? Seems this is what the Conservative base have been told they want.

Some hospitals are setting up their own networks. You pay out of pocket for such care and can go to that hospital or any doctor affiliated with that hospital under your local plan. Very much like Kaiser works.

And very much more expensive

My pay "out of pocket" is Ten Dollars. My son, who is a Teamster, has Zero out of Pocket and his brother will soon have the same Kaiser coverage.

My family of four have picked our own personal Kaiser doctor, one annual visit with labs costs nothing. That is called preventative medicine, and something I believe ever citizens in our county deserves (yes as a Right for living in an exceptional country).

When the personal physician makes a referral to a specialist, there is no fee. Such is a great difference between and HMO and PPO, see:

HMO vs PPO - Difference and Comparison | Diffen

except your preventive medicine in terms of a yearly visit to general practitioner and basic tests won't do shit in the early diagnostics and, more important, treatment of cancer, if that happens ( God forbid).
Or any other SERIOUS disease.
And that is WHY we need insurance - not for appendicitis, which can be treated in any hospital, but for the serious potential disease, which can be treated in some state of the art medical centers across the country.
And neither your Kaiser nor obamacare is providing access to those.

The latter one is actually restricting the care for everybody who had had insurance previously as well.

P.S. If you calculate your monthly premium and your co-pays and your deductible - it is much more expensive than the out-of-the pocket CASH treatment.
You simply think that the prices for CASH are the same as for the claims on the insurance bills
They are NOT.

 

[Vox]

Most specialists won't take obamacare, get ready to take out a mortgage on your home if you need heart surgery.

So let me get this newest rightwing myth straight...

Before Obamacare, the guy with the $50/month junk insurance policy could get heart surgery,

but now, after he's acquired a more comprehensive policy with better coverage from the private insurance exchange market,

the surgeon won't operate on him?

Seriously? Does ANYONE believe that? Besides the retard above?

yep. exactly right.Because that 50$ per month insurance policy was MUCH BETTER than the obamacare expensive junk we have now.

 

[Flopper]

As I made as simple as I could in post #22, providers and provider groups work off of negotiated contracts. Often they will drop insurers when the net benefits of the plan (and there's a ton of variables in any given provider contract) drop below the standards and thresholds of the provider or group. This is just the way it works, every single day.

I realize you have some obligation to defend this horrific law, Jake, but you're making points based on pure thin air. There are going to be providers who are not going to accept plans in the ACA because they make no economic sense for them to do so. Plus, now, the providers know damn well they're going to be flooded with low-LOW-reimbursement Medicaid cases. This is going to get worse, regardless of your denials.

I don't know how much more plain I can make it, but I strongly suggest you'll deny it based on, well, whatever it is you're basing this stuff.

Doctors boycotting California's Obamacare exchange | WashingtonExaminer.com


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Why aren't they going to 'accept the plans' exactly? And how is this any different than before?

because they have much lower reimbursement rate

Take a look at this story. The 70% boycott figure comes from an unnamed insurance broker(s). In the article it says that insurance company(s), unnamed, will peg their reimbursement rate to the Californian medicaid rate. The story, reported by the Washington Examiner, a conservative online publication has been picked up by hundreds of right wing publicans, blogs, and forums. So far no major news service has picked up the story.

There are thirteen insurance companies listed on the exchange and dozens of plans. The article would lead you to believe that these companies will only pay doctors the Medicaid rate and therefor 70% of California's doctor will not join these plans. The fact is reimbursement rates vary widely as companies strive to build the largest network in an area at the lowest cost. Also not included in the story, is the fact that insurance companies almost never include all doctors in an area in their networks. 50% to 70% is considered very good coverage.

As the saying goes, there is always two sides to a story. The Examiner is giving you only one side and a pretty biased side at that.

 

[Spoonman]

one of the provisions of the plan limits what will be payed out. the grand assumtion was that insurance companies would absorb the difference. really? com on, who are we kidding. the doctors know they are the ones who will be on the hook. they will receive what insurance companies are willing to pay out. so yes, this is a very real potential scenario that doctors will start to refuse to accept plans as a method of payment.

 

[Vox]

Why would the paperwork be more than it was with any other insurance company? You're just creating problems here.

no, my ignorant, living in a box Sarah.

anything connected to the government - IS much more paperwork.anything. obamacare is a great disaster for ANY physician and to expect that anybody would want to tie himself/herself up to it is ridiculous.

Many established ones don't even want to take Medicare, although that at least reimburses decently.
But the bureaucratic nightmare... now it is the demand for EMR - which has increased serious mistakes already.

There is probably no difference in the kind of paperwork. It's the reimbursement rates which are much lower under obamacare than with other insurance plans. That's part of obama's cost cutting. Rather than a three month lag time, doctors won't actually receive the money for six months.

Doctors don't sit at their desks and process insurance claims by themselves. They have an employee that does that. Put the reimbursement rate low enough and it doesn't make sense to take low reimbursement insurance that doesn't even cover its own overhead.

there IS a difference. The worst is a requirement to convert to EMR.
many are opting out not from medicare but from insurances as well - as the paperwork for private providers grew up exponentially as well.

As Obamacare Deadline Looms, Doctors are Opting for ?Cash Only? Clinics | Ben Swann Truth In Media
More US doctors opting out of Medicare - World Socialist Web Site
Will ACA be a boon for concierge care? - amednews.com

And believe me, everybody in the medical world - HATES the EMR.

 

[Vox]

Why aren't they going to 'accept the plans' exactly? And how is this any different than before?

because they have much lower reimbursement rate

Take a look at this story. The 70% boycott figure comes from an unnamed insurance broker(s). In the article it says that insurance company(s), unnamed, will peg their reimbursement rate to the Californian medicaid rate. The story, reported by the Washington Examiner, a conservative online publication has been picked up by hundreds of right wing publicans, blogs, and forums. So far no major news service has picked up the story.

There are thirteen insurance companies listed on the exchange and dozens of plans. The article would lead you to believe that these companies will only pay doctors the Medicaid rate and therefor 70% of California's doctor will not join these plans. The fact is reimbursement rates vary widely as companies strive to build the largest network in an area at the lowest cost. Also not included in the story, is the fact that insurance companies almost never include all doctors in an area in their networks. 50% to 70% is considered very good coverage.

As the saying goes, there is always two sides to a story. The Examiner is giving you only one side and a pretty biased side at that.

dude, I AM a physician. I don't need to look at the history, just at the reimbursement rates

 

[Star]

It's not partisan in this case, it's business and the doctors will not refuse patients. They're paying customers.

When the paperwork triples and the payment schemes are 40 cents on the dollar, it is poor business practice to accept them.

BTW, the paperwork is as much, or sometimes, even MORE important in the physicians refusal to accept obamacare.

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Paperwork?
When Tommy was in Secretary Sebelius' position he recognized the need to cut medical paperwork...

“America needs to move much faster to adopt information technology in our health care system…Electronic health information will provide a quantum leap in patient power, doctor power, and effective health care. We can’t wait any longer…Health information technology can improve quality of care and reduce medical errors, even as it lowers administrative costs. It has the potential to produce savings of 10 percent of our total annual spending on health care, even as it improves care for patients and provides new support for health care professionals…This plan sorts out the myriad of issues involved in achieving the benefits of health information technology, and it lays out a coherent direction for reaching our goals.”
- Tommy Thompson, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services Secretary - [July 21, 2004]​

...then-----then the Obamacare writers agreed and-----and addressed the problem so-----so beginning January 1, 2015...

...Key Features of the Affordable Care Act By Year | HHS.gov/healthcare
Reducing Paperwork and Administrative Costs. Health care remains one of the few industries that relies on paper records. The new law will institute a series of changes to standardize billing and requires health plans to begin adopting and implementing rules for the secure, confidential, electronic exchange of health information. Using electronic health records will reduce paperwork and administrative burdens, cut costs, reduce medical errors and most importantly, improve the quality of care.
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[Flopper]

If you have Kaiser, then you know that you are limited to employed Kaiser doctors. You can't go out of the Kaiser system to have some other doctor. You can't go to a hospital that isn't a Kaiser hospital. However good or bad your Kaiser doctor is, you might get another Kaiser doctor but you can't get some other doctor. You can't go to another hospital and Kaiser will pay the benefit. It's Kaiser or nothing. If you look at your agreement you will find a couple of things.

One is that out of Kaiser service is available for emergency room care while traveling only. If you are away from any Kaiser facility and suffer a medical emergency and have to go to a non Kaiser hospital you will be stabilized and sent to the nearest Kaiser facility.

So?

The other thing is and you should have noticed. You waived your right to sue Kaiser for medical malpractice. All malpractice claims are handled through binding arbitration at a Kaiser medical board. You don't get to run down to the local courthouse and file a lawsuit because your doctor cut off the wrong foot. Look at the binding arbitration clause and see what your limitations are. Likely there is also a cap on recovery.

So? Seems this is what the Conservative base have been told they want.

Some hospitals are setting up their own networks. You pay out of pocket for such care and can go to that hospital or any doctor affiliated with that hospital under your local plan. Very much like Kaiser works.

And very much more expensive

My pay "out of pocket" is Ten Dollars. My son, who is a Teamster, has Zero out of Pocket and his brother will soon have the same Kaiser coverage.

My family of four have picked our own personal Kaiser doctor, one annual visit with labs costs nothing. That is called preventative medicine, and something I believe ever citizens in our county deserves (yes as a Right for living in an exceptional country).

When the personal physician makes a referral to a specialist, there is no fee. Such is a great difference between and HMO and PPO, see:

HMO vs PPO - Difference and Comparison | Diffen

except your preventive medicine in terms of a yearly visit to general practitioner and basic tests won't do shit in the early diagnostics and, more important, treatment of cancer, if that happens ( God forbid).
Or any other SERIOUS disease.
And that is WHY we need insurance - not for appendicitis, which can be treated in any hospital, but for the serious potential disease, which can be treated in some state of the art medical centers across the country.
And neither your Kaiser nor obamacare is providing access to those.

The latter one is actually restricting the care for everybody who had had insurance previously as well.

P.S. If you calculate your monthly premium and your co-pays and your deductible - it is much more expensive than the out-of-the pocket CASH treatment.
You simply think that the prices for CASH are the same as for the claims on the insurance bills
They are NOT.

A visit to your doctor is the first step in early detection. Doctors can tell a lot about your general health by examining you. They can recommend what they consider the most important screening for a person of your age, sex, and general health. The ACA includes a number of important preventive care benefits that are not subject to copays or coinsurance. Even if you haven't met your deductible, there is not charge. They include:

• Abdominal Aortic Aneurysm one-time screening for men of specified ages who have ever smoked
• Alcohol Misuse screening and counseling
• Aspirin use to prevent cardiovascular disease for men and women of certain ages
• Blood Pressure screening for all adults
• Cholesterol screening for adults of certain ages or at higher risk
• Colorectal Cancer screening for adults over 50
• Depression screening for adults
• Diabetes (Type 2) screening for adults with high blood pressure
• Diet counseling for adults at higher risk for chronic disease
• HIV screening for everyone ages 15 to 65, and other ages at increased risk
• Obesity screening and counseling for all adults
• Sexually Transmitted Infection (STI) prevention counseling for adults at higher risk
• Syphilis screening for all adults at higher risk
• Tobacco Use screening for all adults and cessation interventions for tobacco users

Immunization vaccines for adults--doses, recommended ages, and recommended populations vary but generally include:

• Hepatitis A
• Hepatitis B
• Herpes Zoster
• Human Papillomavirus
• Influenza (Flu Shot)
• Measles, Mumps, Rubella
• Meningococcal
• Pneumococcal
• Tetanus, Diphtheria, Pertussis
• Varicella

In addition there are a number of other preventive care benefits that must be included in all plans.

https://www.healthcare.gov/what-are-my-preventive-care-benefits/

You're right about cash payments. If you pay cash without insurance, you will be billed for the listed price of each procedure which is usually much higher than the insurance company contracted rate. I recently had a procedure which was billed as $6200. The insurance company contracted rate was $2100. Since I had not paid my deductible, I was responsible for the $2100. If had not had insurance, I would have been billed $6200.

 

[Flopper]

Most specialists won't take obamacare, get ready to take out a mortgage on your home if you need heart surgery.

So let me get this newest rightwing myth straight...

Before Obamacare, the guy with the $50/month junk insurance policy could get heart surgery,

but now, after he's acquired a more comprehensive policy with better coverage from the private insurance exchange market,

the surgeon won't operate on him?

Seriously? Does ANYONE believe that? Besides the retard above?

Specialists, at least in my area are more likely to accept Medicare, Medicaid, and other lower reimbursement plans than primary care doctors. I don't know why but they do.

 

[Katzndogz]

Most specialists won't take obamacare, get ready to take out a mortgage on your home if you need heart surgery.

So let me get this newest rightwing myth straight...

Before Obamacare, the guy with the $50/month junk insurance policy could get heart surgery,

but now, after he's acquired a more comprehensive policy with better coverage from the private insurance exchange market,

the surgeon won't operate on him?

Seriously? Does ANYONE believe that? Besides the retard above?

yes, he could. after he paid his deductible, the insurance would pay the balance of his heart surgery. but he did not have maternity coverage-----------------

What obama and the democrats called junk policies was major medical and catastrophic coverage. You pay for your own routine care but if you need heart surgery that's covered. That's what most young people have. They don't need to have their noses wiped, they might need it if they break a leg skateboarding. Deductibles were high, usually $5,000. obama's deductibles are based on income so the option of looking around for a $5,000 deductible policy is not available. It could be $13,000 which means the person is essentially self insured.

If you want low cost insurance you might get insured under a cafeteria plan. You choose what you want coverage for. You could choose not to have pregnancy and maternity care, pediatric care, medications like viagra. With obamacare you are covered under whatever they say you are covered for. Which means an elderly person will have maternity care, but hearing aids are excluded.

 

[Flopper]

So let me get this newest rightwing myth straight...

Before Obamacare, the guy with the $50/month junk insurance policy could get heart surgery,

but now, after he's acquired a more comprehensive policy with better coverage from the private insurance exchange market,

the surgeon won't operate on him?

Seriously? Does ANYONE believe that? Besides the retard above?

yes, he could. after he paid his deductible, the insurance would pay the balance of his heart surgery. but he did not have maternity coverage-----------------

What obama and the democrats called junk policies was major medical and catastrophic coverage. You pay for your own routine care but if you need heart surgery that's covered. That's what most young people have. They don't need to have their noses wiped, they might need it if they break a leg skateboarding. Deductibles were high, usually $5,000. obama's deductibles are based on income so the option of looking around for a $5,000 deductible policy is not available. It could be $13,000 which means the person is essentially self insured.

If you want low cost insurance you might get insured under a cafeteria plan. You choose what you want coverage for. You could choose not to have pregnancy and maternity care, pediatric care, medications like viagra. With obamacare you are covered under whatever they say you are covered for. Which means an elderly person will have maternity care, but hearing aids are excluded.

Junk medical plans are not high deductible catastrophic plans. There are plenty of plans that are ACA certified and available for 2014 that have $10,000 to $12,000 deductibles. You're just not going to find them listed on most of the exchanges because they aren't as profitable as the lower deductible higher priced plans and they don't sell that well. https://www.ehealthinsurance.com

There are a number of junk medical plans, some are scams such as the card plans but other are bare bone plans with insanely high out of pocket maximums and 30% or even 40% co-insurance so if a person becomes seriously ill they're on the hook for tens of thousands of dollars in medical costs. One thing all junk medical plans have in common; they do not provide significant coverage for major medical costs. They may provide a free trip to the doctor once a year or some generic drug benefits but when it comes to catastrophic medical costs, which is the reason we buy insurance, these plans fall short.

Then there's the "mini-med" plans, which cap annual benefits at, say, $2,000 even though the average hospital stay costs $14,000.

Another type plan sold as group insurance was the turnover rate plans, sold by Cigna and other companies. To qualify, the company had to show a history of high employee turnover, typically 70%. The plans would sport an attractive menu of benefits and a low premium. However, very few employees would ever use the plan because it had a 6 or 12 mo. pre-existing conditions requirement, 6 months for hospital admission, and 12 months for maternity if included.

There are over 1200 such plans covering nearly 4 million people. Most of these plans will be illegal in 2014.

Estimate Of 'Junk' Health Insurance Market - Over 1,200 Plans Covering Almost 4 Million People - Forbes
Junk Health Insurance*- Fairfax County, Virginia

 

[Kondor3]

So... have we figured out yet that the vast majority of the American People think ObamaCare is a piece of shit?

 

[Antares]

Most specialists won't take obamacare, get ready to take out a mortgage on your home if you need heart surgery.

So let me get this newest rightwing myth straight...

Before Obamacare, the guy with the $50/month junk insurance policy could get heart surgery,

but now, after he's acquired a more comprehensive policy with better coverage from the private insurance exchange market,

the surgeon won't operate on him?

Seriously? Does ANYONE believe that? Besides the retard above?

Top Cancer Hospital Not Included on Obamacare Plans Sold in NY

Top Cancer Hospital Not Included on Obamacare Plans Sold in NY

You really are a stupid fuck.

 

[MeBelle]

Take a look at this story. The 70% boycott figure comes from an unnamed insurance broker(s). In the article it says that insurance company(s), unnamed, will peg their reimbursement rate to the Californian medicaid rate.

Here's where this article morphed from:

Survey finds doctors rebelling against Obamacare, famous hospitals declining to join | WashingtonExaminer.com