Many Doctors Will Not Participate in Obamacare

this is going to limit Obamacare patients....

The New York Post?

Are you kidding? Lefties can't use the New York Times, which, by the way, employed Nixon's ultra conservative speech writer on its Op-Ed Page for a quarter century. The Post is pure yellow journalism.

But I'm going to do something righties never do when someone uses an obviously tainted information source - I'm going to respond to the content, namely that doctors are going to lose some pricing leverage.

It's true - all insurance plans place limits on Doctor's pricing power. My brother-in-law is a doctor and he's always bitching about which insurance plans pay the least. ObamaCare will be no different. Doctors hate when consumers have leverage. This is why they make deals with drug companies to over-prescribe expensive drugs . . . so they can make more money in other areas. The incentive structure is Milton's Firedman's and it goes like this: everybody is acting as selfishly as possible and thereby doing everything and anything to fuck everybody out of as much money as possible. But let's simplify it: of course doctors are going to hate it when the consumer gets a little bit of the pricing leverage back.

I don't think you have to worry though. The capitalist will win this one. ObamaCare will be open to lobbying, and the private sector will use intensive financial pressure to slither its way into the plan's heart where it will pack it with expensive, unnecessary procedures.

Research the Bush era Republican Masterpiece - Medicare Part D, passed by and for Republican special interests and imposed on the tax payer. Elly Lilly - one of the biggest contributors to the GOP - was awarded a no-bid contract to service Medicare patients with pharmaceuticals. Here is the kicker: for Bush Medicare Part D the government was/is forbidden to negotiate for volume discounts. This locks the taxpayer into above market drug costs (because every other market player can negotiate based on being able to deliver higher volume). This is why the private sector secretly LOVES entitlements, because it gives them access to the taxpayer's wallet without having to be disciplined by the market. The dirty little secret of capitalism is that government is now a holding of the Lobbying Industrial Complex. Washington is where capitalism goes to get regulatory favors, no-bid contracts, fixed pricing and monopolies over citizens.

Son, you seem like a good kid who likes to post a lot of Republican Propaganda. You might want to study what actually happens under ObamaCare, rather than listening to a few rightwing hacks in the New York Post. You might discover that the problem doesn't fit into your spoon-fed narrative about how the private sector is getting fucked. You might discover something far more complex, one where the private sector has captured Washington and has colluded with our politicians to put a stern fucking on the consumer. Either way, you're probably not going to get the whole picture from a tabloid.

(You can do better)

i've already been aware of this problem before this New York Post article came out....it's only logical that doctors who spend time and money becoming a doctor want to make a good living in their practice....Obammycare destroys their profits....(along with other things like malpractice coverage)

do you think the insurance companies.....the few that are still remaining in the Obamacare state exchanges.....are going to get favors (i.e. kickbacks) from the government....? price fixing...?

i don't think so.....i believe the lefties are out to destroy the insurance companies....who will pay less and less for care as the costs mount up....the lefties can then point to the 'evil' insurance companies and blame the failure all on them...

then what....? take a guess...

Single payer - socialist medicine. Fundamental transformation of America.
 

in the future Obamacare/Medicaid patients will probably get alot of their care from nurse practitioners rather than real doctors...

Your bs aside, NPs are smart, knowledgeable people when it comes to medicine. Anything beyond their expertise would be referred to an MD. Your point?

Correct. However, NPs are NOT diagnosticians anymore than a PA is. They are stop gap measures in lieu of a Physician. If you have 50 NPs and 27 PAs at your local hospital referring 300 patients to 15 Physicians - well, all YOUR BS aside - you'd better be prepared to wait to find out if that mole that is changing colors and shape is cancerous.

You can paint a turd any color you like, but it is still a turd. Welcome to the ACA.
 
this is going to limit Obamacare patients....

New York doctors are feeling queasy about ObamaCare — and many won’t participate in the new national insurance program because they fear they’ll go broke, The Post has learned.

“ObamaCare is going to send me more patients to see and then cut the payments to provide the care — that’s what’s going to happen,” predicted Donald Moore, a primary-care doctor in Prospect Heights, Brooklyn. “I will not accept it.”

Moore claims that President Obama made a big mistake by requiring uninsured residents to obtain medical coverage from for-profit insurers through the ObamaCare health exchanges instead of through public health programs like Medicaid.

Under tremendous pressure to keep costs down and profits up, Moore said he’s concerned that commercial insurers will pay doctors less for patient visits and services than either Medicaid or Medicare.

Many doctors, he argues, won’t be able to cover their costs with such skimpy fees.

Moore scoffed, “Who’s going to sustain the losses? The insurance companies? It’s basically going to be a race to the bottom.”

Docs worried sick over ObamaCare | New York Post

OMMFG......HOLY BAT CRAP CRAZY!!!

You mean to say that a paper owned by Rupert Murdock actually, honestly has an article by Conservatives that says doctor won't take ACHA?????

In other news.

The Sun Shines.

Water is wet.

The Moon IS NOT MADE OF GREEN CHEESE.

Now back to your reguarly schedule brand of ConJob/NeoNut/RePug/TeaTerrorist Bullshit.
 

in the future Obamacare/Medicaid patients will probably get alot of their care from nurse practitioners rather than real doctors...

Your bs aside, NPs are smart, knowledgeable people when it comes to medicine. Anything beyond their expertise would be referred to an MD. Your point?

true...many of them are very smart and knowledgeable.....but as more are needed there will be more nurses doing the job and not all of them will be as smart or knowledgeable...i see a spirling-down of competent care...as doctors become more scarce....

the huge number of Boomers are entering retirement.....do you really think FEWER doctors is a good thing....? if so....give thanks to BO...
 
this is going to limit Obamacare patients....

New York doctors are feeling queasy about ObamaCare — and many won’t participate in the new national insurance program because they fear they’ll go broke, The Post has learned.

“ObamaCare is going to send me more patients to see and then cut the payments to provide the care — that’s what’s going to happen,” predicted Donald Moore, a primary-care doctor in Prospect Heights, Brooklyn. “I will not accept it.”

Moore claims that President Obama made a big mistake by requiring uninsured residents to obtain medical coverage from for-profit insurers through the ObamaCare health exchanges instead of through public health programs like Medicaid.

Under tremendous pressure to keep costs down and profits up, Moore said he’s concerned that commercial insurers will pay doctors less for patient visits and services than either Medicaid or Medicare.

Many doctors, he argues, won’t be able to cover their costs with such skimpy fees.

Moore scoffed, “Who’s going to sustain the losses? The insurance companies? It’s basically going to be a race to the bottom.”

Docs worried sick over ObamaCare | New York Post

OMMFG......HOLY BAT CRAP CRAZY!!!

You mean to say that a paper owned by Rupert Murdock actually, honestly has an article by Conservatives that says doctor won't take ACHA?????

In other news.

The Sun Shines.

Water is wet.

The Moon IS NOT MADE OF GREEN CHEESE.

Now back to your reguarly schedule brand of ConJob/NeoNut/RePug/TeaTerrorist Bullshit.

what a typical liberal empty-headed response.....full of hyperbole and nothing else...
 
in the future Obamacare/Medicaid patients will probably get alot of their care from nurse practitioners rather than real doctors...

Your bs aside, NPs are smart, knowledgeable people when it comes to medicine. Anything beyond their expertise would be referred to an MD. Your point?

Correct. However, NPs are NOT diagnosticians anymore than a PA is. They are stop gap measures in lieu of a Physician. If you have 50 NPs and 27 PAs at your local hospital referring 300 patients to 15 Physicians - well, all YOUR BS aside - you'd better be prepared to wait to find out if that mole that is changing colors and shape is cancerous.

You can paint a turd any color you like, but it is still a turd. Welcome to the ACA.

Yep, your argument is the color of a turd, RF. Step along.

VA and military medical care uses PA and NPs for evaluating, diagnosing, and prescribing for a very long time with very good results.
 
Your bs aside, NPs are smart, knowledgeable people when it comes to medicine. Anything beyond their expertise would be referred to an MD. Your point?

Correct. However, NPs are NOT diagnosticians anymore than a PA is. They are stop gap measures in lieu of a Physician. If you have 50 NPs and 27 PAs at your local hospital referring 300 patients to 15 Physicians - well, all YOUR BS aside - you'd better be prepared to wait to find out if that mole that is changing colors and shape is cancerous.

You can paint a turd any color you like, but it is still a turd. Welcome to the ACA.

Yep, your argument is the color of a turd, RF. Step along.

VA and military medical care uses PA and NPs for evaluating, diagnosing, and prescribing for a very long time with very good results.

Son, I've been eligible for treatment at the VA since 1973. I wouldn't refer a dog to ANY VA in the United States.

As usual, you are full of crap.
 
So a person with no insurance would fare better than having a policy bought on the exchanges?

lol, how would that work?


Here's how it would work:

A person on an exchange has only theoretical health insurance up to the point the high deductible is exhausted. Between premiums and the $5K deductible on the Bronze plan, said person would have to expend $10K before receiving One Dime of benefits.

As ObamaCare also entails severe PRICE CONTROLS, it is quite likely that there will be a supply shortage of doctors. The person has paid for OCare, but is not able to make an appointment, or at best, is on a waiting list for months.

Without OCare, said person could pay for a doctor's appoint with cash, and save a bundle.
 
I have been eligible three years less than you and my evaluation of the VA is far more accurate than your nonsense.

Step along, RF.
 
So a person with no insurance would fare better than having a policy bought on the exchanges?

lol, how would that work?


Here's how it would work:

A person on an exchange has only theoretical health insurance up to the point the high deductible is exhausted. Between premiums and the $5K deductible on the Bronze plan, said person would have to expend $10K before receiving One Dime of benefits.

As ObamaCare also entails severe PRICE CONTROLS, it is quite likely that there will be a supply shortage of doctors. The person has paid for OCare, but is not able to make an appointment, or at best, is on a waiting list for months.

Without OCare, said person could pay for a doctor's appoint with cash, and save a bundle.

This "but is not able to make an appointment, or at best, is on a waiting list for months" is horse crap pure and simple.
 
So a person with no insurance would fare better than having a policy bought on the exchanges?

lol, how would that work?

i suppose if you have the bucks you can afford to pay the fines plus pay the doctor in cash for major medical care....you might fare better because you could at least pick the best doctor money can buy....perhaps one of those that serve the U.S. Senators....
 
this is going to be even worse than with medicaid - people who have medicaid have really hard time finding doctors which accept it.
in a lot of states doctors have been dropping medicare patients as well - it is not worthy the hassle.
 
So a person with no insurance would fare better than having a policy bought on the exchanges?

lol, how would that work?

yes, they will fare MUCH better.

private visit to a doctor costs 100-150$ and the cost of lab work for the out-of pocket lab is about 200-300$.
CT scan of the chest and abdomen - 250$ and MRI about the same.

So yes, it is absolutely more reasonable for a healthy person without insurance to pay cash for regular visits and check-ups and to have just catastrophic insurance for the emergencies.
That is what a lot of people were doing and that was much cheaper than this crap obamacare is - with it's premiums costing at least 500$ and 10,000$ deductibles plus 10-30% after deductible if you re using out-of the network facility.

but obamacare was not meant for the benefit of the people - but for the benefit of the big businesses which insurance companies are. as usual with dimocraps - they sell out American people to big pockets.
 
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