70% Ca. doctors will not participate in obama's unaffordable care act

[Flopper]

My wife and I have been satisfied members of Group Health of Washington for many years. When we discovered my wife had an inherited neurological disease, Group Health sent her to the UofW Medical Center - we've never had a problem getting in to see her doctor(s). The only hassle for us is, we have to go to Seattle to see her doctor instead of the much easier accessed Bellevue Clinic. But then back in the day, when I had neurological issues of my own, the VA also sent me to the UofW Medical Center for treatment. What is it with neurology departments, is there a shortage of neurosurgeons?

I'd recommend Group Health of Washington, and if they're anything like GHW, co-ops in general to anyone who's looking for healthcare.
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My daughter's family lives in Seattle and they have had group health for years and love it. In spite of my son's experience, I think non-profit co-ops provide good healthcare at a reasonable cost. Integrating insurance and healthcare delivery makes possible real cost controls.

My wife's condition, due to a head on collision, has given us two and a half decades of substantial experience. Access was never an issue, whether it was Medicare, Medicaid, alone or in combination with an employer group plan. It is our experience that health care quality has had more to do with individual doctor's approach and attentiviness to care than it has had to do with insurance plans, PPO or HMO the like.

Shere "luck of the draw" made all the difference between a doctor that didn't find the problem and one that knew how to find the problem. For instance, a weight bearing x-ray will reveal the problem in a joint where any standard x-ray, taken while laying down, reveals nothing.

The single greatest issue was overwhelming out-of-pocket expences that varied depending on the insurance policies we were able to carry at any particular point in time.

We will see, over the next five years, how well PPACA does in increasing the supply of doctors, nurses, and other medical care professionals to meet demand. The only way we will know is if we count the health care employment level.

I agree with you. It's the doctors that really count. Best advice I had about medical care is if one doctor can't help you, try another. It's surprising how many people will stick with the same doctor even thou that doctor provides no help whatsoever.

Contrary to most critics of the ACA, I think shortages in medical personnel will lead to increase supply because there's going to be a lot more jobs in the future.

 

[rdean]

Republicans are cheering. They hate poor people and want them to "die quickly".

 

[bitterlyclingin]

Obama & Co will resort to the Old Bolshevik strategy of using either the rifle butt or the rifle barrel to ensure compliance. The guys currently saying they are opting out already have their testicles cut off and sewn to their lips but they don't know it.
Licensure will guarantee compliance. You need a government issue DEA number to order controlled substances for your patients. A shrink will not be able to treat anyone with ADHD, an ENT will not be able to order pain meds for their patients with ear or sinus infections, an orthopedic specialist will not be able to order pain meds for a patient with a broken bone, nor will an oncologist be able to treat the pain of the terminally ill. You will participate or you won't work, whether you get paid or not. Its all part of Comrade Baracks income redistribution plan,quote]

There you go. That's the natural and probable result in a tyranny. All doctors will have to comply with obamacare or lose their licenses.

They'll have to agree to accept Obamacare patients. There'll be a natural hiatus and then they'll start testing the practitioners to see if they're living up to their word. Fines, jail terms and licensure suspensions for those that don't. Alynski on steroids. One more tactic is the wholesale importation of Muslim physicians. Its my impression that a Paki can get his medical education under his belt for a ridiculously low figure, 5, 15, or 25 thousand for a medical degree over there, come here, satisfy the licensure requirements, pass the tests, go to work, plot jihad in his spare time.
"If you love your country, you can keep your country"

 

[Vox]

Obama & Co will resort to the Old Bolshevik strategy of using either the rifle butt or the rifle barrel to ensure compliance. The guys currently saying they are opting out already have their testicles cut off and sewn to their lips but they don't know it.
Licensure will guarantee compliance. You need a government issue DEA number to order controlled substances for your patients. A shrink will not be able to treat anyone with ADHD, an ENT will not be able to order pain meds for their patients with ear or sinus infections, an orthopedic specialist will not be able to order pain meds for a patient with a broken bone, nor will an oncologist be able to treat the pain of the terminally ill. You will participate or you won't work, whether you get paid or not. Its all part of Comrade Baracks income redistribution plan,quote]

There you go. That's the natural and probable result in a tyranny. All doctors will have to comply with obamacare or lose their licenses.

They'll have to agree to accept Obamacare patients. There'll be a natural hiatus and then they'll start testing the practitioners to see if they're living up to their word. Fines, jail terms and licensure suspensions for those that don't. Alynski on steroids. One more tactic is the wholesale importation of Muslim physicians. Its my impression that a Paki can get his medical education under his belt for a ridiculously low figure, 5, 15, or 25 thousand for a medical degree over there, come here, satisfy the licensure requirements, pass the tests, go to work, plot jihad in his spare time.
"If you love your country, you can keep your country"

they will not have to agree to anything until the laws are DRASTICALLY changed.

Since the laws regulating medical practice of individual doctors( and hospitals) are passed by state - there could be some state passing something like that, but not all.
what it will lead to - you can only imagine.

in order to pass something so soviet-like on a federal level one has to have a soviet-like system BEFORE that.

we are not there. YET.

P.S> one of the best doctors and actually people I know in my professional world is a Pakistani doctor in my group.

 

[Antares]

California's state-run Obamacare health insurance exchange, Covered California, is touted by the Obama administration as a model of the policy's success. That was, in fact, the political strategy all along, as Obama's non-profit organization, Organizing for Action, focused on helping California's rollout effort. But in addition to inflated web traffic numbers and privacy concerns, Covered California now faces an acute doctor shortage.

An estimated 70% of California doctors will not participate in the Obamacare-compliant health insurance policies offered by Covered California, according to the California Medical Association, as reported by the Washington Examiner. Though Covered California claims that 85% of doctors will participate, many doctors listed as participating are expected to decline payment, having learned that reimbursements will be very low.

Doctors Boycotting Obamacare in California


this could be a disaster given Ca. demography

No surprise--MOST Doctors will not accept Medicade payments--and most of the new enrollees in California are Obamacare Medicade enrollees.

In it's time, rightwingers were saying the same thing about medicare - how'd that work out for y'all?


Report: More doctors accepting Medicare patients
Kelly Kennedy, USA TODAY

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In 2007, about 925,000 doctors billed Medicare for their services. In 2011, that number had risen to 1.25 million, according to the report by the HHS Office of the Assistant Secretary for Planning and Evaluation.

"I think the report comes at a time when people are asking questions about Medicare," said Jonathan Blum, principal deputy administrator for the Center for Medicare Services. "It provides a more complete picture of how physicians choose to participate in the Medicare system."

Physicians have complained about Medicare payment caps, the annual debate in Congress over the way Medicare pays doctors and new paperwork requirements.

"Overall, the clients we deal with have good access to physicians," said Joe Baker, president of the Medicare Rights Center, a non-profit advocacy group for older Americans and people with disabilities. "We find the physicians who don't take Medicare don't take other insurance, either, but it's not a problem we see regularly."


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Look at you, a citation....apparently a rat CAN learn.

 

[Antares]

Republicans are cheering. They hate poor people and want them to "die quickly".

We might cheer if you die, but you are wrong everything else.

 

[Flopper]

I was wondering when there would be a reply to the outlandish article in the Examiner.

You may have heard recently that seven out of 10 California doctors were "boycotting" the state's Affordable Care Act exchange, known as Covered California.

In fact, according to Covered California, the only source with verifiable numbers, some 58,000 doctors, or more than 80% of the state's practicing physicians, will be available to enrollees in the exchange's health plans.

The "boycott" claim originated with Richard Pollock, a reporter at the conservative Washington Examiner, whose piece doesn't appear to reflect how the California exchange actually works.

That article was wrong," says Molly Weedn, spokeswoman for the CMA. "We have no idea how many doctors are participating. We don't collect that data."

In fact, Pollock's sourcing for the data in his original article, which appeared Dec. 6, is highly questionable, if not flat-out worthless. Pollock revised his story on Tuesday after he got called on it by the CMA. He now says there's no organized boycott. But he's still seems to have the story wrong.

Covered California says that the doctors participating in its exchange plans include 100% of Kaiser Permanente's 14,000 California doctors, 43,000 taking HealthNet patients and 35,000 in Blue Shield's network. (There's probably some overlap between the latter two networks.)

Although all Kaiser doctors will be available to all Kaiser enrollees, not all the doctors in other insurance networks will be available to all those insurers' enrollees; there are reports that some may see patients only in non-exchange plans.

The narrowing of physician networks has long been a fact of life in American healthcare and didn't originate with the Affordable Care Act. It's a cost-saving trend and in some respects it makes sense: Insurers make reimbursement deals with doctors, and physicians who don't want to accept the proffered deals won't see that company's customers.

Judging from his original article, Pollock seems to think that Covered California somehow imposed a standard reimbursement rate on all the state's doctors, or perhaps that insurers in the exchange pegged all reimbursements to the state's low Medicaid reimbursement rate. Neither is true. Insurers made their own deals with doctors, and it's unlikely that they were pegged to Medicaid (known in California as Medi-Cal). It's possible that some were pegged to Medicare, which pays more than Medicaid, but plainly there wasn't a one-size-fits-all reimbursement figure for all insurers and all plans.

As for Pollock's 70% nonparticipation figure, he says he arrived at it after talking to "a half-dozen" independent insurance brokers and agents across the state. He told me their estimates were consistent.

The problem is that insurance agents have no way of estimating physician participation across the state; they're typically small businesses that tend to operate locally; they can check for a client to see if a particular doctor or group is participating in a plan, but they don't have access to a statewide database. They can concoct an estimate from what they see, but they're dealing with a specialized clientele and their vision is more likely to be myopic than Lasik-clear.

The CMA says Pollock offered his estimate of 70% nonparticipation to Thorp, the CMA president, who responded that it "wouldn't surprise" him.
That was an error on Thorp's part; since his own organization doesn't have its own estimate, he should have kept his mouth shut. But it's the Washington Examiner that erected its big alarmist story on the basis of this tiny little foundation, and it's the anti-Obamacare right-wing noise machine that pumped it up to the volume of a shriek.

As for the very idea of an organized "boycott," Pollock's latest article states that "California’s budding doctor rebellion against Obamacare appears to be genuinely spontaneous, lacking leadership from a single individual or organization."
This is known as taking a quarter-step back when a full step is required. What he should say isn't that "California's budding doctor rebellion" is "spontaneous," but that it's spurious. It exists in the mind of the Washington Examiner and has spread, like an epidemic, to a bunch of other susceptible patients in the news world. It should never have started, and it's high time it was eradicated.


Another Obamacare myth exposed: The California doctor 'boycott' - latimes.com

 

[Star]

No surprise--MOST Doctors will not accept Medicade payments--and most of the new enrollees in California are Obamacare Medicade enrollees.

In it's time, rightwingers were saying the same thing about medicare - how'd that work out for y'all?


Report: More doctors accepting Medicare patients
Kelly Kennedy, USA TODAY

<snip>

In 2007, about 925,000 doctors billed Medicare for their services. In 2011, that number had risen to 1.25 million, according to the report by the HHS Office of the Assistant Secretary for Planning and Evaluation.

"I think the report comes at a time when people are asking questions about Medicare," said Jonathan Blum, principal deputy administrator for the Center for Medicare Services. "It provides a more complete picture of how physicians choose to participate in the Medicare system."

Physicians have complained about Medicare payment caps, the annual debate in Congress over the way Medicare pays doctors and new paperwork requirements.

"Overall, the clients we deal with have good access to physicians," said Joe Baker, president of the Medicare Rights Center, a non-profit advocacy group for older Americans and people with disabilities. "We find the physicians who don't take Medicare don't take other insurance, either, but it's not a problem we see regularly."


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Look at you, a citation....apparently a rat CAN learn.

Too funny -- are you saying you're to lazy to look for, or not smart enough to find the link I put in the OP of the "Reagancare" thread? -pewsh!-
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[Vox]

Although all Kaiser doctors will be available to all Kaiser enrollees, not all the doctors in other insurance networks will be available to all those insurers' enrollees; there are reports that some may see patients only in non-exchange plans.

from the whole "damage control" blah-blah-blha the only valid information and the one which actually refutes that purpose of the article

 

[MeBelle]

I have no idea, do you?
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LMAO...stupid kid....there legalities involved in quoting things you don't source....but you are an idiot....you wouldn't know that.

It is ok though...you are 12,

That's BS, the words posted in the OP of the thread "Reagancare" are mine. Prove me wrong...
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http://www.usmessageboard.com/healthcare-insurance-govt-healthcare/328943-reagancare.html

The Mod proved you wrong. You 'spoke' as if Reagan made the comments, which he didn't.

Ron said, everyone that doesn't have means should be treated in the most expensive way possible...Ron said, taxpayers should pick up the tab then-

More proof for you:

Emergency Medical Treatment & Labor Act (EMTALA)
In 1986, Congress enacted the Emergency Medical Treatment & Labor Act (EMTALA) to ensure public access to emergency services regardless of ability to pay. Section 1867 of the Social Security Act imposes specific obligations on Medicare-participating hospitals that offer emergency services to provide a medical screening examination (MSE) when a request is made for examination or treatment for an emergency medical condition (EMC), including active labor, regardless of an individual's ability to pay. Hospitals are then required to provide stabilizing treatment for patients with EMCs. If a hospital is unable to stabilize a patient within its capability, or if the patient requests, an appropriate transfer should be implemented.

Emergency Medical Treatment & Labor Act (EMTALA) - Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services

 

[NYcarbineer]

So another rightwing story turns out to be an outright lie, and everything I said is vindicated.

lol, so what's new?

 

[NYcarbineer]

California's state-run Obamacare health insurance exchange, Covered California, is touted by the Obama administration as a model of the policy's success. That was, in fact, the political strategy all along, as Obama's non-profit organization, Organizing for Action, focused on helping California's rollout effort. But in addition to inflated web traffic numbers and privacy concerns, Covered California now faces an acute doctor shortage.

An estimated 70% of California doctors will not participate in the Obamacare-compliant health insurance policies offered by Covered California, according to the California Medical Association, as reported by the Washington Examiner. Though Covered California claims that 85% of doctors will participate, many doctors listed as participating are expected to decline payment, having learned that reimbursements will be very low.

Doctors Boycotting Obamacare in California


this could be a disaster given Ca. demography

No surprise--MOST Doctors will not accept Medicade payments--and most of the new enrollees in California are Obamacare Medicade enrollees.

You're an idiot. The story was a lie. Period.

 

[Katzndogz]

Republicans say that doctors are boycotting. Democrats will say they aren't. Individuals will say what happened to my doctor.? Democrats will say you are the only one.

 

[Trajan]

unfortunately for those involved it appears the insurers think they have a net loss of enrollments vis cancellations etc......wonderful, come the new year , another crisis obama can fly by the seat of his pants.

 

[Political Junky]

My God, I clicked on the link and got Breitbart. The site wouldn't take "no" for an answer when they asked for my email. Also, I immediately got an ad.
Like most of Breitbart, it was bullshit.

 

[Vox]

California's state-run Obamacare health insurance exchange, Covered California, is touted by the Obama administration as a model of the policy's success. That was, in fact, the political strategy all along, as Obama's non-profit organization, Organizing for Action, focused on helping California's rollout effort. But in addition to inflated web traffic numbers and privacy concerns, Covered California now faces an acute doctor shortage.

An estimated 70% of California doctors will not participate in the Obamacare-compliant health insurance policies offered by Covered California, according to the California Medical Association, as reported by the Washington Examiner. Though Covered California claims that 85% of doctors will participate, many doctors listed as participating are expected to decline payment, having learned that reimbursements will be very low.

Doctors Boycotting Obamacare in California


this could be a disaster given Ca. demography

No surprise--MOST Doctors will not accept Medicade payments--and most of the new enrollees in California are Obamacare Medicade enrollees.

You're an idiot. The story was a lie. Period.

except it was not. you are an idiot. period.

 

[MeBelle]

My God, I clicked on the link and got Breitbart. The site wouldn't take "no" for an answer when they asked for my email. Also, I immediately got an ad.
Like most of Breitbart, it was bullshit.

My God-Did you bother clicking on any of the links inside the Breitbart write-up?
My God-Did you bother trying to suss out the information yourself by using ANY information given in the Breitbart links?
My God-Did you bother to even search for the doctors name?

My God-

The site wouldn't take "no" for an answer when they asked for my email.

Do you know how to click the 'x' to close this box?

My God-An ad!!!! Whatever shall we so?
No person has EVER seen an ad on ANY website...EVER!!!

Your attempt at deflection was the bestest evah' ya know!
at avoiding the message.

 

[MeBelle]

So another rightwing story turns out to be an outright lie, and everything I said is vindicated.

lol, so what's new?

Not a 'rightwing' story. A factual reality.

Nothing you said was vindicated.

If you actually lived in California and worked in the healthcare industry providing care you'd have a huge brown streak in your Underoos every day.