60 days of Donald Trump

All Trump had to do is "play president"
Go to meetings, shake a lot of hands, smile for the cameras

Reagan was quite good at it

Do that and Republicans pass legislation, Trump signs it, the economy is strong.....Trump gets reelected

But Trump can't help himself. He can't ignore the small stuff. He had to accuse Obama of a crime

Then there is that Russian thing.......
Disagreed about "play President", but I do agree that Reagan knew how to use the system and not get used by it.

As for Trump, I do agree he gets wrapped up in minutia. His Twitter account is the biggest detriment to his Presidency and, IMO, the main reason for his disapproval ratings:
RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Trump Job Approval

His 140-character rants make him look like a conspiracy kook whereas Reagan was eloquent and well-spoken.
 
Two freaking months? Are lefties going crazy or does their political perspective only extend to the last comedy channel parody? What the hell did Barry Hussein accomplish in sixty freaking days?
They've been going nuts since November 9th...after their crying ended. The dozens of "we're doomed"-type threads here on USMB started by LWLs is proof of how Trump's election has driven them insane. Pretty funny IMO and the best reason to support Trump. :)
 
Its been a wild 60 days.....Not as easy as Trump thought it would be

It should have been a cakewalk/lovefest with a Republican President and a Republican Congress with Democrats disorganized and on the ropes. Yet Trump has managed to make a mess of things

-The first day in office which Trump bragged would dazzle us with what he would get done........turned into an argument over how big his inauguration crowd was
-Muslim ban failed
- Trumpcare is a trainwreck with Trump fighting for Republican support
- Trump should be using his political capital to push Trumpcare, the budget, Gorsuch ......instead he is fighting over his wiretap claims

The big black cloud of Trumps ties to Russia hang over his administration


1. Trump did not think it would be easy.

2. It is very dishonest of you to pretend that it should have been a cake walk. YOu are pretending to be unaware of the deep divisions in the GOP to the point that that much of the GOP establishment sided with HIllary.

The fact that you know you have to be dishonest, shows that you know that that the Truth is not on your side.

Yet you refuse to make the logical step to realize that means you are wrong.

3. THe Muslim Ban didn't fail. Democracy failed, because of a fascist judge.

4. On a global scale Medical Care is a problem without apparent solutions.

5. No matter what Trump says or does, the Political Class, the media and their partisans (you) would be saying the same stuff.

6. Russia is a manufactured scandal.

It should have been easy for Trump. All he had to do was stay out of trouble...'

What the hell are you talking about?

He is a real outsider in a system that has demonstrated is virulently hostile to any outsider.


For you to claim that "it should have been easy for him" is insanely dishonest or deluded of you.


Knock that shit off and talk sense.
All Trump had to do is "play president"
Go to meetings, shake a lot of hands, smile for the cameras

Reagan was quite good at it

Do that and Republicans pass legislation, Trump signs it, the economy is strong.....Trump gets reelected

But Trump can't help himself. He can't ignore the small stuff. He had to accuse Obama of a crime

Then there is that Russian thing.......



Nothing in your post makes any sense, what so ever.

1.THat would NOT have led to a peaceful quiet presidency. You lefties and your various allies would have been just as hateful and vile as you have been.


2. Trump, nor anyone in his right mind would have gone though the election process to have a quiet time. Your recommendation would be nothing but a path to failure and more failure.

Failure?....GOP Legislature pumps out bill after bill with the GOP agenda and Trumps gets to sign and take credit for it.
Trump still holds his monthly pep rallies to tell everyone how great he is

But Trump has to be Trump
Instead of public focus being on Trumpcare, his budget, the wall.....all attention goes to his silly antics over how big his crowd size is, what lie he issued today, his bizarre claims about Obama and the British spying on him
 
Its been a wild 60 days.....Not as easy as Trump thought it would be

It should have been a cakewalk/lovefest with a Republican President and a Republican Congress with Democrats disorganized and on the ropes. Yet Trump has managed to make a mess of things

-The first day in office which Trump bragged would dazzle us with what he would get done........turned into an argument over how big his inauguration crowd was
-Muslim ban failed
- Trumpcare is a trainwreck with Trump fighting for Republican support
- Trump should be using his political capital to push Trumpcare, the budget, Gorsuch ......instead he is fighting over his wiretap claims

The big black cloud of Trumps ties to Russia hang over his administration


1. Trump did not think it would be easy.

2. It is very dishonest of you to pretend that it should have been a cake walk. YOu are pretending to be unaware of the deep divisions in the GOP to the point that that much of the GOP establishment sided with HIllary.

The fact that you know you have to be dishonest, shows that you know that that the Truth is not on your side.

Yet you refuse to make the logical step to realize that means you are wrong.

3. THe Muslim Ban didn't fail. Democracy failed, because of a fascist judge.

4. On a global scale Medical Care is a problem without apparent solutions.

5. No matter what Trump says or does, the Political Class, the media and their partisans (you) would be saying the same stuff.

6. Russia is a manufactured scandal.

It should have been easy for Trump. All he had to do was stay out of trouble...'

What the hell are you talking about?

He is a real outsider in a system that has demonstrated is virulently hostile to any outsider.


For you to claim that "it should have been easy for him" is insanely dishonest or deluded of you.


Knock that shit off and talk sense.
How quickly we change our opinions. Trump was going to take Washington by storm with his business acumen and deal making ability. In actuality he is a disaster
 
All Trump had to do is "play president"
Go to meetings, shake a lot of hands, smile for the cameras

Reagan was quite good at it

Do that and Republicans pass legislation, Trump signs it, the economy is strong.....Trump gets reelected

But Trump can't help himself. He can't ignore the small stuff. He had to accuse Obama of a crime

Then there is that Russian thing.......
Disagreed about "play President", but I do agree that Reagan knew how to use the system and not get used by it.

As for Trump, I do agree he gets wrapped up in minutia. His Twitter account is the biggest detriment to his Presidency and, IMO, the main reason for his disapproval ratings:
RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Trump Job Approval

His 140-character rants make him look like a conspiracy kook whereas Reagan was eloquent and well-spoken.

Even those who opposed Reagan liked him. Reagan was charming, witty and knew how to work with people

Trump is basically a Dick. His own party despises him, the allies mock him and he struggles to keep an approval rating above 40%
 
Trump Supporters: 60 days in to Donald Trump's administration, and what have we learned?




* There is not going to be much of a wall on our southern boarder, and what we do build, we'll be paying for it, not Mexico.

* Passing healthcare legislation, even with a friendly Republican controlled Congress is a lot more difficult than it sounded 6 months ago in those speeches.

* President Trump didn't exactly tell the truth about wire tapping Trump Tower, now did he?

* Republicans in the House and Senate are beginning to distance themselves from Trump, due to his erratic behavior, and tweets.

* It's now the F.B.I (not just those pesky Liberals) who want answers to Donald Trump's ties with Russia.

* The founding fathers of our nation, designed our country to be governed as a democracy, not a for profit business.

Relax Trump supporters, as a left leaning Independent, I'm not going to insult you, curse at you, or belittle you ( though I've received plenty of that from some of you) No, I would only ask you to consider the next time someone you don't know get's up and starts making such threatening and foreboding speeches that seek to divide us, you do your homework, ask questions, consider that the answers to complex problems are not always simple, and most of all, try to see issues from the other side of the aisle. For over 200 years Conservatives and Liberals worked together to craft legislation and pass laws, it called compromise, and it's not a dirty word. Compromise is not a sign of weakness, it's a sign of innovation and intelligence. The founding fathers of our nation (who happen to be pretty smart guy's) set things up to work this way, and that's not going to change. I would also ask you to consider that Jesus Christ (who happen to be a real smart guy) once said: "A house divided against itself, will not stand" :bye1:

Trump's presidency so far has been so full of win, the losers are getting tired.

But please, keep going with this massive conspiracy of Trump's Russia connection. Why anyone would put himself on the same category as a flat earther is beyond me, but I suppose, some individuals just prefer their state of ignorance and delusions.
 
Even those who opposed Reagan liked him. Reagan was charming, witty and knew how to work with people

Trump is basically a Dick. His own party despises him, the allies mock him and he struggles to keep an approval rating above 40%
Sorry, but nostalgia has clouded your mind. Reagan was disliked by the Left who called him a "cowboy" and a "war monger". Remember how the "We begin bombing in ten minutes" remark went?

Before anyone has a conniption, I'm not saying Trump will ever equal Reagan, but I am saying that it wasn't all "peace, love, dove" between Reagan and his own party much less Reagan and the Democrats. Sure, in those days the word "compromise" wasn't considered a dirty word, but don't take that to mean relations weren't often acrimonious.

Ronald Reagan Was Once Donald Trump
...Before the fierce defenders of the Reagan faith collapse into seizures at the bracketing of their hero with the crudest and most vacuous presidential candidate in human memory, let me stipulate that I am not talking about Reagan the president in drawing this parallel, or about Reagan the man. I am talking about Reagan the candidate, the canny politician who, after a dozen years of failed efforts attended by nonstop ridicule, ended up leading the 1980 GOP ticket at the same age Trump is now (69) and who, like his present-day counterpart, was best known to much of the electorate up until then as a B-list show-business personality.

It’s true that Reagan, unlike Trump, did hold public office before seeking the presidency (though he’d been out of government for six years when he won). But Trump would no doubt argue that his executive experience atop the august Trump Organization more than compensates for Reagan’s two terms in Sacramento. (Trump would also argue, courtesy of Arnold Schwarzenegger, that serving as governor of California is merely a bush-league audition for the far greater responsibilities of hosting Celebrity Apprentice.) It’s also true that Reagan forged a (fairly) consistent ideology to address late-20th-century issues that are no longer extant: the Cold War, a federal government that feasted on a top income-tax bracket of 70 percent, and runaway inflation. Trump has no core conviction beyond gratifying his own bottomless ego.

Remarkably, though, the Reagan model has proved quite adaptable both to Trump and to our different times. Trump’s tenure as an NBC reality-show host is comparable to Reagan’s stint hosting the highly rated but disposable General Electric Theater for CBS in the Ed Sullivan era. Trump’s embarrassing turn as a supporting player in a 1990 Bo Derek movie (Ghosts Can’t Do It) is no more egregious than Reagan’s starring opposite a chimp in Hollywood’s Bedtime for Bonzo of 1951. While Trump has owned tacky, bankrupt casinos in Atlantic City, Reagan was a mere casino serf — the emcee of a flop nightclub revue featuring barbershop harmonizing and soft-shoe dancing at the Frontier Hotel in Las Vegas in 1954. While Trump would be the first president to have been married three times, here, too, he is simply updating his antecedent, who broke a cultural barrier by becoming the first White House occupant to have divorced and remarried. Neither Reagan nor Trump paid any price with the Evangelical right for deviations from the family-values norm; they respectively snared the endorsements of Jerry Falwell and Jerry Falwell Jr.

Reflecting the contrasting pop cultures of their times, Reagan’s and Trump’s performance styles are antithetical. Reagan’s cool persona of genial optimism was forged by his stints as a radio baseball broadcaster and a movie-studio utility player, and finally by his emergence on television when it was ruled by the soothing suburban patriarchs of Ozzie and Harriet, Father Knows Best, and Leave It to Beaver. Trump’s hot shtick, his scowling bombast and put-downs, is tailor-made for a culture that favors conflict over consensus, musical invective over easy listening, and exhibitionism over decorum in prime time. The two men’s representative celebrity endorsers — Jimmy Stewart and Pat Boone for Reagan, Hulk Hogan and Bobby Knight for Trump — belong to two different American civilizations.

But Reagan’s and Trump’s opposing styles belie their similarities of substance. Both have marketed the same brand of outrage to the same angry segments of the electorate, faced the same jeering press, attracted some of the same battlefront allies (Roger Stone, Paul Manafort, Phyllis Schlafly), offended the same elites (including two generations of Bushes), outmaneuvered similar political adversaries, and espoused the same conservative populism built broadly on the pillars of jingoistic nationalism, nostalgia, contempt for Washington, and racial resentment. They’ve even endured the same wisecracks about their unnatural coiffures. “Governor Reagan does not dye his hair,” said Gerald Ford at a Gridiron Dinner in 1974. “He is just turning prematurely orange.” Though Reagan’s 1980 campaign slogan (“Let’s Make America Great Again”) is one word longer than Trump’s, that word reflects a contrast in their personalities — the avuncular versus the autocratic — but not in message. Reagan’s apocalyptic theme, “The Empire is in decline,” is interchangeable with Trump’s, even if the Gipper delivered it with a smile.

Craig Shirley, a longtime Republican political consultant and Reagan acolyte, has written authoritative books on the presidential campaigns of 1976 and 1980 that serve as correctives to the sentimental revisionist history that would have us believe that Reagan was cheered on as a conquering hero by GOP elites during his long climb to national power. To hear the right’s triumphalism of recent years, you’d think that only smug Democrats were appalled by Reagan while Republicans quickly recognized that their party, decimated by Richard Nixon and Watergate, had found its savior.

Grassroots Republicans, whom Reagan had been courting for years with speeches, radio addresses, and opinion pieces beneath the mainstream media’s radar, were indeed in his camp. But aside from a lone operative (John Sears), Shirley wrote, “the other major GOP players — especially Easterners and moderates — thought Reagan was a certified yahoo.” By his death in 2004, “they would profess their love and devotion to Reagan and claim they were there from the beginning in 1974, which was a load of horse manure.” Even after his election in 1980, Shirley adds, “Reagan was never much loved” by his own party’s leaders. After GOP setbacks in the 1982 midterms, “a Republican National Committee functionary taped a piece of paper to her door announcing the sign-up for the 1984 Bush for President campaign.”

Shirley’s memories are corroborated by reportage contemporaneous with Reagan’s last two presidential runs. (There was also an abortive run in 1968.) A poll in 1976 found that 90 percent of Republican state chairmen judged Reagan guilty of “simplistic approaches,” with “no depth in federal government administration” and “no experience in foreign affairs.” It was little different in January 1980, when a U.S. News and World Report survey of 475 national and state Republican chairmen found they preferred George H.W. Bush to Reagan. One state chairman presumably spoke for many when he told the magazine that Reagan’s intellect was “thinner than spit on a slate rock.” As Rick Perlstein writes in The Invisible Bridge, the third and latest volume of his epic chronicle of the rise of the conservative movement, both Nixon and Ford dismissed Reagan as a lightweight. Barry Goldwater endorsed Ford over Reagan in 1976 despite the fact that Reagan’s legendary speech on behalf of Goldwater’s presidential campaign in October 1964, “A Time for Choosing,” was the biggest boost that his kamikaze candidacy received. Only a single Republican senator, Paul Laxalt of Nevada, signed on to Reagan’s presidential quest from the start, a solitary role that has been played in the Trump campaign by Jeff Sessions of Alabama.

What put off Reagan’s fellow Republicans will sound very familiar. He proposed an economic program — 30 percent tax cuts, increased military spending, a balanced budget — whose math was voodoo and then some. He prided himself on not being “a part of the Washington Establishment” and mocked Capitol Hill’s “buddy system” and its collusion with “the forces that have brought us our problems—the Congress, the bureaucracy, the lobbyists, big business, and big labor.” He kept a light campaign schedule, regarded debates as optional, wouldn’t sit still to read briefing books, and often either improvised his speeches or worked off index cards that contained anecdotes and statistics gleaned from Reader’s Digest and the right-wing journal Human Events — sources hardly more elevated or reliable than the television talk shows and tabloids that feed Trump’s erroneous and incendiary pronouncements....
 
Even those who opposed Reagan liked him. Reagan was charming, witty and knew how to work with people

Trump is basically a Dick. His own party despises him, the allies mock him and he struggles to keep an approval rating above 40%
Sorry, but nostalgia has clouded your mind. Reagan was disliked by the Left who called him a "cowboy" and a "war monger". Remember how the "We begin bombing in ten minutes" remark went?

Before anyone has a conniption, I'm not saying Trump will ever equal Reagan, but I am saying that it wasn't all "peace, love, dove" between Reagan and his own party much less Reagan and the Democrats. Sure, in those days the word "compromise" wasn't considered a dirty word, but don't take that to mean relations weren't often acrimonious.

Ronald Reagan Was Once Donald Trump
...Before the fierce defenders of the Reagan faith collapse into seizures at the bracketing of their hero with the crudest and most vacuous presidential candidate in human memory, let me stipulate that I am not talking about Reagan the president in drawing this parallel, or about Reagan the man. I am talking about Reagan the candidate, the canny politician who, after a dozen years of failed efforts attended by nonstop ridicule, ended up leading the 1980 GOP ticket at the same age Trump is now (69) and who, like his present-day counterpart, was best known to much of the electorate up until then as a B-list show-business personality.

It’s true that Reagan, unlike Trump, did hold public office before seeking the presidency (though he’d been out of government for six years when he won). But Trump would no doubt argue that his executive experience atop the august Trump Organization more than compensates for Reagan’s two terms in Sacramento. (Trump would also argue, courtesy of Arnold Schwarzenegger, that serving as governor of California is merely a bush-league audition for the far greater responsibilities of hosting Celebrity Apprentice.) It’s also true that Reagan forged a (fairly) consistent ideology to address late-20th-century issues that are no longer extant: the Cold War, a federal government that feasted on a top income-tax bracket of 70 percent, and runaway inflation. Trump has no core conviction beyond gratifying his own bottomless ego.

Remarkably, though, the Reagan model has proved quite adaptable both to Trump and to our different times. Trump’s tenure as an NBC reality-show host is comparable to Reagan’s stint hosting the highly rated but disposable General Electric Theater for CBS in the Ed Sullivan era. Trump’s embarrassing turn as a supporting player in a 1990 Bo Derek movie (Ghosts Can’t Do It) is no more egregious than Reagan’s starring opposite a chimp in Hollywood’s Bedtime for Bonzo of 1951. While Trump has owned tacky, bankrupt casinos in Atlantic City, Reagan was a mere casino serf — the emcee of a flop nightclub revue featuring barbershop harmonizing and soft-shoe dancing at the Frontier Hotel in Las Vegas in 1954. While Trump would be the first president to have been married three times, here, too, he is simply updating his antecedent, who broke a cultural barrier by becoming the first White House occupant to have divorced and remarried. Neither Reagan nor Trump paid any price with the Evangelical right for deviations from the family-values norm; they respectively snared the endorsements of Jerry Falwell and Jerry Falwell Jr.

Reflecting the contrasting pop cultures of their times, Reagan’s and Trump’s performance styles are antithetical. Reagan’s cool persona of genial optimism was forged by his stints as a radio baseball broadcaster and a movie-studio utility player, and finally by his emergence on television when it was ruled by the soothing suburban patriarchs of Ozzie and Harriet, Father Knows Best, and Leave It to Beaver. Trump’s hot shtick, his scowling bombast and put-downs, is tailor-made for a culture that favors conflict over consensus, musical invective over easy listening, and exhibitionism over decorum in prime time. The two men’s representative celebrity endorsers — Jimmy Stewart and Pat Boone for Reagan, Hulk Hogan and Bobby Knight for Trump — belong to two different American civilizations.

But Reagan’s and Trump’s opposing styles belie their similarities of substance. Both have marketed the same brand of outrage to the same angry segments of the electorate, faced the same jeering press, attracted some of the same battlefront allies (Roger Stone, Paul Manafort, Phyllis Schlafly), offended the same elites (including two generations of Bushes), outmaneuvered similar political adversaries, and espoused the same conservative populism built broadly on the pillars of jingoistic nationalism, nostalgia, contempt for Washington, and racial resentment. They’ve even endured the same wisecracks about their unnatural coiffures. “Governor Reagan does not dye his hair,” said Gerald Ford at a Gridiron Dinner in 1974. “He is just turning prematurely orange.” Though Reagan’s 1980 campaign slogan (“Let’s Make America Great Again”) is one word longer than Trump’s, that word reflects a contrast in their personalities — the avuncular versus the autocratic — but not in message. Reagan’s apocalyptic theme, “The Empire is in decline,” is interchangeable with Trump’s, even if the Gipper delivered it with a smile.

Craig Shirley, a longtime Republican political consultant and Reagan acolyte, has written authoritative books on the presidential campaigns of 1976 and 1980 that serve as correctives to the sentimental revisionist history that would have us believe that Reagan was cheered on as a conquering hero by GOP elites during his long climb to national power. To hear the right’s triumphalism of recent years, you’d think that only smug Democrats were appalled by Reagan while Republicans quickly recognized that their party, decimated by Richard Nixon and Watergate, had found its savior.

Grassroots Republicans, whom Reagan had been courting for years with speeches, radio addresses, and opinion pieces beneath the mainstream media’s radar, were indeed in his camp. But aside from a lone operative (John Sears), Shirley wrote, “the other major GOP players — especially Easterners and moderates — thought Reagan was a certified yahoo.” By his death in 2004, “they would profess their love and devotion to Reagan and claim they were there from the beginning in 1974, which was a load of horse manure.” Even after his election in 1980, Shirley adds, “Reagan was never much loved” by his own party’s leaders. After GOP setbacks in the 1982 midterms, “a Republican National Committee functionary taped a piece of paper to her door announcing the sign-up for the 1984 Bush for President campaign.”

Shirley’s memories are corroborated by reportage contemporaneous with Reagan’s last two presidential runs. (There was also an abortive run in 1968.) A poll in 1976 found that 90 percent of Republican state chairmen judged Reagan guilty of “simplistic approaches,” with “no depth in federal government administration” and “no experience in foreign affairs.” It was little different in January 1980, when a U.S. News and World Report survey of 475 national and state Republican chairmen found they preferred George H.W. Bush to Reagan. One state chairman presumably spoke for many when he told the magazine that Reagan’s intellect was “thinner than spit on a slate rock.” As Rick Perlstein writes in The Invisible Bridge, the third and latest volume of his epic chronicle of the rise of the conservative movement, both Nixon and Ford dismissed Reagan as a lightweight. Barry Goldwater endorsed Ford over Reagan in 1976 despite the fact that Reagan’s legendary speech on behalf of Goldwater’s presidential campaign in October 1964, “A Time for Choosing,” was the biggest boost that his kamikaze candidacy received. Only a single Republican senator, Paul Laxalt of Nevada, signed on to Reagan’s presidential quest from the start, a solitary role that has been played in the Trump campaign by Jeff Sessions of Alabama.

What put off Reagan’s fellow Republicans will sound very familiar. He proposed an economic program — 30 percent tax cuts, increased military spending, a balanced budget — whose math was voodoo and then some. He prided himself on not being “a part of the Washington Establishment” and mocked Capitol Hill’s “buddy system” and its collusion with “the forces that have brought us our problems—the Congress, the bureaucracy, the lobbyists, big business, and big labor.” He kept a light campaign schedule, regarded debates as optional, wouldn’t sit still to read briefing books, and often either improvised his speeches or worked off index cards that contained anecdotes and statistics gleaned from Reader’s Digest and the right-wing journal Human Events — sources hardly more elevated or reliable than the television talk shows and tabloids that feed Trump’s erroneous and incendiary pronouncements....

I have a different memory of Reagan

Sure Dems mocked him and tried to block his agenda. But personally, Reagan was likeable
Even Tip O'Neil liked him

Maybe not Sam Donaldson
 
Trump Supporters: 60 days in to Donald Trump's administration, and what have we learned?




* There is not going to be much of a wall on our southern boarder, and what we do build, we'll be paying for it, not Mexico.

* Passing healthcare legislation, even with a friendly Republican controlled Congress is a lot more difficult than it sounded 6 months ago in those speeches.

* President Trump didn't exactly tell the truth about wire tapping Trump Tower, now did he?

* Republicans in the House and Senate are beginning to distance themselves from Trump, due to his erratic behavior, and tweets.

* It's now the F.B.I (not just those pesky Liberals) who want answers to Donald Trump's ties with Russia.

* The founding fathers of our nation, designed our country to be governed as a democracy, not a for profit business.

Relax Trump supporters, as a left leaning Independent, I'm not going to insult you, curse at you, or belittle you ( though I've received plenty of that from some of you) No, I would only ask you to consider the next time someone you don't know get's up and starts making such threatening and foreboding speeches that seek to divide us, you do your homework, ask questions, consider that the answers to complex problems are not always simple, and most of all, try to see issues from the other side of the aisle. For over 200 years Conservatives and Liberals worked together to craft legislation and pass laws, it called compromise, and it's not a dirty word. Compromise is not a sign of weakness, it's a sign of innovation and intelligence. The founding fathers of our nation (who happen to be pretty smart guy's) set things up to work this way, and that's not going to change. I would also ask you to consider that Jesus Christ (who happen to be a real smart guy) once said: "A house divided against itself, will not stand" :bye1:
Obama NEVER EVEN met with the minority leader in congress FOR A FUCKING YEAR!!!!!!
Don't insult us with your stupid claims of LIB "compromise".
Is Schumer willing to "compromise" now?
 
Trump Supporters: 60 days in to Donald Trump's administration, and what have we learned?




* There is not going to be much of a wall on our southern boarder, and what we do build, we'll be paying for it, not Mexico.

* Passing healthcare legislation, even with a friendly Republican controlled Congress is a lot more difficult than it sounded 6 months ago in those speeches.

* President Trump didn't exactly tell the truth about wire tapping Trump Tower, now did he?

* Republicans in the House and Senate are beginning to distance themselves from Trump, due to his erratic behavior, and tweets.

* It's now the F.B.I (not just those pesky Liberals) who want answers to Donald Trump's ties with Russia.

* The founding fathers of our nation, designed our country to be governed as a democracy, not a for profit

Relax Trump supporters, as a left leaning Independent, I'm not going to insult you, curse at you, or belittle you ( though I've received plenty of that from some of you) No, I would only ask you to consider the next time someone you don't know get's up and starts making such threatening and foreboding speeches that seek to divide us, you do your homework, ask questions, consider that the answers to complex problems are not always simple, and most of all, try to see issues from the other side of the aisle. For over 200 years Conservatives and Liberals worked together to craft legislation and pass laws, it called compromise, and it's not a dirty word. Compromise is not a sign of weakness, it's a sign of innovation and intelligence. The founding fathers of our nation (who happen to be pretty smart guy's) set things up to work this way, and that's not going to change. I would also ask you to consider that Jesus Christ (who happen to be a real smart guy) once said: "A house divided against itself, will not stand" :bye1:
Obama NEVER EVEN met with the minority leader in congress FOR A FUCKING YEAR!!!!!!
Don't insult us with your stupid claims of LIB "compromise".
Is Schumer willing to "compromise" now?

After years of trying, Obama learned that meeting Republicans half way was not going to work
Republicans would not even allow themselves to be photographed with Obama

5 Ways Obama Tries to Work With Republicans and is Rejected
 
And Hillary would have been better?
she should have been. she was a senator before running for the executive office. she had some political experience.
Yet she was deep into cronyism and her main campaign promise was to keep things the same. Many Americans, especially those without jobs and/or concerned about how the Middle Class is continually squeezed by both the Left and the Right, didn't want to hear "Yes, we're just going to keep fucking you for your own good".
 
After years of trying, Obama learned that meeting Republicans half way was not going to work
Republicans would not even allow themselves to be photographed with Obama

5 Ways Obama Tries to Work With Republicans and is Rejected
Dude, that's an excuse. Yes, there were the hardline Republicans who refused to do anything Obama wanted and, in fact, could be predicted to want the opposite of anything Obama wanted. However, to tar hundreds of Republicans with Congress with the same brush and use that as an excuse for Obama's actions strikes me as political partisanship. The very thing you are accusing all Republicans of doing.
 
1. Trump did not think it would be easy.

2. It is very dishonest of you to pretend that it should have been a cake walk. YOu are pretending to be unaware of the deep divisions in the GOP to the point that that much of the GOP establishment sided with HIllary.

The fact that you know you have to be dishonest, shows that you know that that the Truth is not on your side.

Yet you refuse to make the logical step to realize that means you are wrong.

3. THe Muslim Ban didn't fail. Democracy failed, because of a fascist judge.

4. On a global scale Medical Care is a problem without apparent solutions.

5. No matter what Trump says or does, the Political Class, the media and their partisans (you) would be saying the same stuff.

6. Russia is a manufactured scandal.

It should have been easy for Trump. All he had to do was stay out of trouble...'

What the hell are you talking about?

He is a real outsider in a system that has demonstrated is virulently hostile to any outsider.


For you to claim that "it should have been easy for him" is insanely dishonest or deluded of you.


Knock that shit off and talk sense.
All Trump had to do is "play president"
Go to meetings, shake a lot of hands, smile for the cameras

Reagan was quite good at it

Do that and Republicans pass legislation, Trump signs it, the economy is strong.....Trump gets reelected

But Trump can't help himself. He can't ignore the small stuff. He had to accuse Obama of a crime

Then there is that Russian thing.......



Nothing in your post makes any sense, what so ever.

1.THat would NOT have led to a peaceful quiet presidency. You lefties and your various allies would have been just as hateful and vile as you have been.


2. Trump, nor anyone in his right mind would have gone though the election process to have a quiet time. Your recommendation would be nothing but a path to failure and more failure.

Failure?....GOP Legislature pumps out bill after bill with the GOP agenda and Trumps gets to sign and take credit for it.
Trump still holds his monthly pep rallies to tell everyone how great he is

But Trump has to be Trump
Instead of public focus being on Trumpcare, his budget, the wall.....all attention goes to his silly antics over how big his crowd size is, what lie he issued today, his bizarre claims about Obama and the British spying on him



It would not happen that way, and you know it. Which is WHY you recommend it.

Also, you know that Trump and his supporter's agenda is not the agenda of the Establishment GOP in congress, which is another reason you recommend it. Because Trump's platform, with it's focus on serving American interests terrifies and/or offends you.
 
After years of trying, Obama learned that meeting Republicans half way was not going to work
Republicans would not even allow themselves to be photographed with Obama

5 Ways Obama Tries to Work With Republicans and is Rejected
Dude, that's an excuse. Yes, there were the hardline Republicans who refused to do anything Obama wanted and, in fact, could be predicted to want the opposite of anything Obama wanted. However, to tar hundreds of Republicans with Congress with the same brush and use that as an excuse for Obama's actions strikes me as political partisanship. The very thing you are accusing all Republicans of doing.
EVERY Republican refused to do anything Obama wanted

Show me a single Republican vote for an Obama initiative
I can show you hundreds of Democratic votes to support Bush initiatives
 
Its been a wild 60 days.....Not as easy as Trump thought it would be

It should have been a cakewalk/lovefest with a Republican President and a Republican Congress with Democrats disorganized and on the ropes. Yet Trump has managed to make a mess of things

-The first day in office which Trump bragged would dazzle us with what he would get done........turned into an argument over how big his inauguration crowd was
-Muslim ban failed
- Trumpcare is a trainwreck with Trump fighting for Republican support
- Trump should be using his political capital to push Trumpcare, the budget, Gorsuch ......instead he is fighting over his wiretap claims

The big black cloud of Trumps ties to Russia hang over his administration


1. Trump did not think it would be easy.

2. It is very dishonest of you to pretend that it should have been a cake walk. YOu are pretending to be unaware of the deep divisions in the GOP to the point that that much of the GOP establishment sided with HIllary.

The fact that you know you have to be dishonest, shows that you know that that the Truth is not on your side.

Yet you refuse to make the logical step to realize that means you are wrong.

3. THe Muslim Ban didn't fail. Democracy failed, because of a fascist judge.

4. On a global scale Medical Care is a problem without apparent solutions.

5. No matter what Trump says or does, the Political Class, the media and their partisans (you) would be saying the same stuff.

6. Russia is a manufactured scandal.

It should have been easy for Trump. All he had to do was stay out of trouble...'

What the hell are you talking about?

He is a real outsider in a system that has demonstrated is virulently hostile to any outsider.


For you to claim that "it should have been easy for him" is insanely dishonest or deluded of you.


Knock that shit off and talk sense.
How quickly we change our opinions. Trump was going to take Washington by storm with his business acumen and deal making ability. In actuality he is a disaster

You are talking crazy talk.
 
All Trump had to do is "play president"
Go to meetings, shake a lot of hands, smile for the cameras

Reagan was quite good at it

Do that and Republicans pass legislation, Trump signs it, the economy is strong.....Trump gets reelected

But Trump can't help himself. He can't ignore the small stuff. He had to accuse Obama of a crime

Then there is that Russian thing.......
Disagreed about "play President", but I do agree that Reagan knew how to use the system and not get used by it.

As for Trump, I do agree he gets wrapped up in minutia. His Twitter account is the biggest detriment to his Presidency and, IMO, the main reason for his disapproval ratings:
RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Trump Job Approval

His 140-character rants make him look like a conspiracy kook whereas Reagan was eloquent and well-spoken.

Even those who opposed Reagan liked him. Reagan was charming, witty and knew how to work with people

Trump is basically a Dick. His own party despises him, the allies mock him and he struggles to keep an approval rating above 40%

Trump's "dickness" is nothing compared to the vile hatred that has consumed you and yours.
 
All Trump had to do is "play president"
Go to meetings, shake a lot of hands, smile for the cameras

Reagan was quite good at it

Do that and Republicans pass legislation, Trump signs it, the economy is strong.....Trump gets reelected

But Trump can't help himself. He can't ignore the small stuff. He had to accuse Obama of a crime

Then there is that Russian thing.......
Disagreed about "play President", but I do agree that Reagan knew how to use the system and not get used by it.

As for Trump, I do agree he gets wrapped up in minutia. His Twitter account is the biggest detriment to his Presidency and, IMO, the main reason for his disapproval ratings:
RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Trump Job Approval

His 140-character rants make him look like a conspiracy kook whereas Reagan was eloquent and well-spoken.

Even those who opposed Reagan liked him. Reagan was charming, witty and knew how to work with people

Trump is basically a Dick. His own party despises him, the allies mock him and he struggles to keep an approval rating above 40%

Trump's "dickness" is nothing compared to the vile hatred that has consumed you and yours.

I know you are......but what am I?
 

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