$ 4.09 for reg. unleaded.

[uscitizen]

Once I get my antimatter powered car going....

 

[Big Fitz]

Something we can be doing while exploring other alternatives...

Savings Will Lure Americans To Electric Cars
TRANSCRIPT
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And when you actually look at Melbourne all the way Brisbane - Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane with Cambria in the middle - you realize that's as long as the entire West Coast of the United States. And once you can do the southeast coast of Australia, you can do the West Coast. You can do the East Coast of the United States. You can cover the entire country.

The cost of infrastructure to cover the entire United States with enough coverage for everybody to drive from anywhere-to-anywhere, would be in the range of about $8 billion, which is the equivalence of seven days of gasoline used by the drivers today in the country.
INSKEEP: You're saying $8 billion, that's the investment you would need if your charging stations and other infrastructures were to be all across the United States - available across the United States.

Mr. AGASSI: That's right. We use $1.2 billion to drive today. We buy $1.2 billion worth of miles, if you want, in the form of gallons and gas stations. Take seven days of that, you get $8 billion. And we can put a switch station to cover the entire country. Everywhere you would go, you would have corridors where you'll be able to drive an electric car from one corner to another corner of the country.

As a country, we aren't even taking baby steps away from our addiction to oil...but that's what happens when the corporations that are making HUGE profits off of fossil fuels own our elected representatives.

Till they can produce an electric car that can:

1. Get 300 miles to the charge
2. Get that mileage while running the heater/AC, radio and headlights at the same time (winter in MN remember, sucks for batteries)
3. Fully charge in 5 minutes
4. Be as cheap as an internal combustion engine.
5. Tow a trailer and get similar mileage to the internal combustion engine.

it will not succeed in this nation. Period.

Also. You cannot conserve your way out of an energy crisis. You can only give yourself more time in which to develop WORKABLE solutions. Since Pinwheels, Mirrors and moonshine are at best half a century away from practicality... you have more time to develop more carbon based energy sources to meet your needs or begin cultural decline.

The technology exists for all of this, and it'll become cheaper with time. Already there are fully electric cars that significantly outperform gas engines.

It's only a matter of time until it's financially feasible.

If it exists, then it must be feasible. If it is not feasible, it does not exist.

Which is it?

It's a fact that if it can be done, over time, it will get cheaper to do. Moore's law, so to speak exists for the miniaturization and increased efficiency of all technology. The timeframe and speed of miniaturization and increased efficiency are the variable.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Till they can produce an electric car that can:

1. Get 300 miles to the charge
2. Get that mileage while running the heater/AC, radio and headlights at the same time (winter in MN remember, sucks for batteries)
3. Fully charge in 5 minutes
4. Be as cheap as an internal combustion engine.
5. Tow a trailer and get similar mileage to the internal combustion engine.

it will not succeed in this nation. Period.

Also. You cannot conserve your way out of an energy crisis. You can only give yourself more time in which to develop WORKABLE solutions. Since Pinwheels, Mirrors and moonshine are at best half a century away from practicality... you have more time to develop more carbon based energy sources to meet your needs or begin cultural decline.

The technology exists for all of this, and it'll become cheaper with time. Already there are fully electric cars that significantly outperform gas engines.

It's only a matter of time until it's financially feasible.

If it exists, then it must be feasible. If it is not feasible, it does not exist.

Which is it?

It's a fact that if it can be done, over time, it will get cheaper to do. Moore's law, so to speak exists for the miniaturization and increased efficiency of all technology.

It exists, it's just very expensive. And as you said, a Moore's Law effect will make it cheaper, over time.

 

[Big Fitz]

The technology exists for all of this, and it'll become cheaper with time. Already there are fully electric cars that significantly outperform gas engines.

It's only a matter of time until it's financially feasible.

If it exists, then it must be feasible. If it is not feasible, it does not exist.

Which is it?

It's a fact that if it can be done, over time, it will get cheaper to do. Moore's law, so to speak exists for the miniaturization and increased efficiency of all technology.

It exists, it's just very expensive. And as you said, a Moore's Law effect will make it cheaper, over time.

So I stand by my original statement... at least 50 years out. Let's get cracking on more oil and quit fucking around with stuff not ready for prime time yet.