2015 hottest year ever, 15 of 16 hottest years since 2001...

[jon_berzerk]

Here's the hard truth the leftist wacko media refuses to tell the public:

news.nationalgeographic.com
Sun Headed Into Hibernation, Solar Studies Predicts

By Victoria Jaggard, National Geographic News
Sunspots may disappear altogether in next cycle.

What a quiet sun looks like: Very few active regions are visible in this 2009 satellite picture.


Image courtesy STEREO/NASA
Enjoy our stormy sun while it lasts. When our star drops out of its latest sunspot activity cycle, the sun is most likely going into hibernation, scientists announced today.
Three independent studies of the sun's insides, surface, and upper atmosphere all predict that the next solar cycle will be significantly delayed—if it happens at all. Normally, the next cycle would be expected to start roughly around 2020.
The combined data indicate that we may soon be headed into what's known as a grand minimum, a period of unusually low solar activity.
The predicted solar "sleep" is being compared to the last grand minimum on record, which occurred between 1645 and 1715.
Known as the Maunder Minimum, the roughly 70-year period coincided with the coldest spell of the Little Ice Age, when European canals regularly froze solid and Alpine glaciers encroached on mountain villages.
(See "Sun Oddly Quiet—Hints at Next 'Little Ice Age?'")
"We have some interesting hints that solar activity is associated with climate, but we don't understand the association," said Dean Pesnell, project scientist for NASA's Solar Dynamics Observatory (SDO).
Also, even if there is a climate link, Pesnell doesn't think another grand minimum is likely to trigger a cold snap.
"With what's happening in current times—we've added considerable amounts of carbon dioxide and methane and other greenhouse gases to the atmosphere," said Pesnell, who wasn't involved in the suite of new sun studies.
"I don't think you'd see the same cooling effects today if the sun went into another Maunder Minimum-type behavior."
Sunspots Losing Strength
Sunspots are cool, dark blemishes visible on the sun's surface that indicate regions of intense magnetic activity.
For centuries scientists have been using sunspots—some of which can be wider than Earth—to track the sun's magnetic highs and lows.
(See the sharpest pictures yet of sunspots snapped in visible light.)
For instance, 17th-century astronomers Galileo Galilei and Giovanni Cassini separately tracked sunspots and noticed a lack of activity during the Maunder Minimum.
In the 1800s scientists recognized that sunspots come and go on a regular cycle that lasts about 11 years. We're now in Solar Cycle 24, heading for a maximum in the sun's activity sometime in 2013.
Recently, the National Solar Observatory's Matt Penn and colleagues analyzed more than 13 years of sunspot data collected at the McMath-Pierce Telescope at Kitt Peak, Arizona.
They noticed a long-term trend of sunspot weakening, and if the trend continues, the sun's magnetic field won't be strong enough to produce sunspots during Solar Cycle 25, Penn and colleagues predict.
"The dark spots are getting brighter," Penn said today during a press briefing. Based on their data, the team predicts that, by the time it's over, the current solar cycle will have been "half as strong as Cycle 23, and the next cycle may have no sunspots at all."
(Related: "Sunspot Cycles—Deciphering the Butterfly Pattern.")
Sun's "Jet Streams," Coronal Rush Also Sluggish
Separately, the National Solar Observatory's Frank Hill and colleagues have been monitoring solar cycles via a technique called helioseismology. This method uses surface vibrations caused by acoustic waves inside the star to map interior structure.
Specifically, Hill and colleagues have been tracking buried "jet streams" encircling the sun called torsional oscillations. These bands of flowing material first appear near the sun's poles and migrate toward the equator. The bands are thought to play a role in generating the sun's magnetic field.
(Related: "Sunspot Delay Due to Sluggish Solar 'Jet Stream?'")
Sunspots tend to occur along the pathways of these subsurface bands, and the sun generally becomes more active as the bands near its equator, so they act as good indicators for the timing of solar cycles.
"The torsional oscillation ... pattern for Solar Cycle 24 first appeared in 1997," Hill said today during the press briefing. "That means the flow for Cycle 25 should have appeared in 2008 or 2009, but it has not shown up yet."
According to Hill, their data suggest that the start of Solar Cycle 25 may be delayed until 2022—about two years late—or the cycle may simply not happen.
Adding to the evidence, Richard Altrock, manager of the U.S. Air Force's coronal research program for the National Solar Observatory (NSO), has observed telltale changes in a magnetic phenomenon in the sun's corona—its faint upper atmosphere.
Known as the rush to the poles, the rapid poleward movement of magnetic features in the corona has been linked to an increase in sunspot activity, with a solar cycle hitting its maximum around the time the features reach about 76 degrees latitude north and south of the sun's equator.
The rush to the poles is also linked to the sun "sweeping away" the magnetic field associated with a given solar cycle, making way for a new magnetic field and a new round of sunspot activity.
This time, however, the rush to the poles is more of a crawl, which means we could be headed toward a very weak solar maximum in 2013—and it may delay or even prevent the start of the next solar cycle.
Quiet Sun Exciting for Science
Taken together, the three lines of evidence strongly hint that Solar Cycle 25 may be a bust, the scientists said today during a meeting of the American Astronomical Society in Las Cruces, New Mexico.
But a solar lull is no cause for alarm, NSO's Hill said: "It's happened before, and life seems to go on. I'm not concerned but excited."
In many ways a lack of magnetic activity is a boon for science. Strong solar storms can emit blasts of charged particles that interfere with radio communications, disrupt power grids, and can even put excess drag on orbiting satellites.
"Drag is important for people like me at NASA," SDO's Pesnell said, "because we like to keep our satellites in space."
What's more, a decrease in sunspots doesn't necessarily mean a drop in other solar features such as prominences, which can produce aurora-triggering coronal mass ejections. In fact, records show that auroras continued to appear on a regular basis even during the Maunder Minimum, Pesnell said.
(See "Solar Flare Sparks Biggest Eruption Ever Seen on Sun.")
Instead, he said, the unusual changes to the sun's activity cycles offer an unprecedented opportunity for scientists to test theories about how the sun makes and destroys its magnetic field.
"Right now we have so many sun-watching satellites and advanced ground-based observatories ready to spring into action," Pesnell said. "If the sun is going to do something different, this is a great time for it to happen."

© 1996-2016 National Geographic Society.

Totally retarded thinking by the poster. Please professor, draw us the link between sunspots and how the sun warms the Earth. Then explain how and why a decrease in sunspots negate the greenhouse effect.

^ outs himself as a sock

a stinky one at that

 

[jon_berzerk]

You're an anonymous poster on a hyper-partisan discussion forum. There is absolutely no reason to believe you. And, even if you were, you are way out numbered.

Well.. why do you need to lie about warming?

This is the difference between the RAW unaltered data and your highly adjusted crap, from which you base all of your claims..

By the way, your outnumbered by about 70% of the population, which thinks this is all a lie and a scam.. The empirical evidence bears this out.

Sorry, if you can't even cite a valid source, what do you want me to do?

Just give me a trusted source that isn't part of some wingnut group, not full of conspiracy nuts and not paid by the oil industry.

Answer my empirical evidence post. Show me where CO2 can be attributed to any of the warming.. And how you ascertained this. Please post your math, methods, and data with which you made these conclusions... I'll wait..

Yeah, you're a scientist allright. There is no question that CO2 is a greenhouse gas. The better question is why wouldn't CO2 be attributed to any warming?
Set us right professor.

How many trillions should we spend to ensure climate never changes?

about 1500 bucks maybe 2 grand if you go all out and a good heating/cooling system

year around 72 degrees

--LOL

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Well.. why do you need to lie about warming?

This is the difference between the RAW unaltered data and your highly adjusted crap, from which you base all of your claims..

By the way, your outnumbered by about 70% of the population, which thinks this is all a lie and a scam.. The empirical evidence bears this out.

Sorry, if you can't even cite a valid source, what do you want me to do?

Just give me a trusted source that isn't part of some wingnut group, not full of conspiracy nuts and not paid by the oil industry.

Answer my empirical evidence post. Show me where CO2 can be attributed to any of the warming.. And how you ascertained this. Please post your math, methods, and data with which you made these conclusions... I'll wait..

Yeah, you're a scientist allright. There is no question that CO2 is a greenhouse gas. The better question is why wouldn't CO2 be attributed to any warming?
Set us right professor.

How many trillions should we spend to ensure climate never changes?

about 1500 bucks maybe 2 grand if you go all out and a good heating/cooling system

year around 72 degrees

--LOL

Can we get one big enough for the entire planet?

 

[jon_berzerk]

Sorry, if you can't even cite a valid source, what do you want me to do?

Just give me a trusted source that isn't part of some wingnut group, not full of conspiracy nuts and not paid by the oil industry.

Answer my empirical evidence post. Show me where CO2 can be attributed to any of the warming.. And how you ascertained this. Please post your math, methods, and data with which you made these conclusions... I'll wait..

Yeah, you're a scientist allright. There is no question that CO2 is a greenhouse gas. The better question is why wouldn't CO2 be attributed to any warming?
Set us right professor.

How many trillions should we spend to ensure climate never changes?

about 1500 bucks maybe 2 grand if you go all out and a good heating/cooling system

year around 72 degrees

--LOL

Can we get one big enough for the entire planet?

no need too

just go inside

works wonderfully out here

 

[Wry Catcher]

"It would have been better without global warming" is the kind of claim Obama makes about the economy. It's an absolute bullshit claim. Yeah, it's a complex world, which is why such claims are almost always bullshit.

Scientists out weigh your opinion.

No they don't. The only thing that outweighs opinion is fact. You haven't produced any.

The fact that American conservatives are the only group left on the planet who still denies the science is all the fact that is required. The last and arguably the dumbest rubes on the planet.

There's no argument; the dilatory efforts of oil and coal producers, purveyors and the propagandists, those who put profit before people, and the air they breath, the water they drink, the soil they cultivate, and our great oceans, is obvious to the world.

The New Right (Anarcho-Capitlaists) ruck choose to believe those who have a conflict of interest, and to accuse the Scientists who accept grant money to study the issues of having a conflict of interests.

Can you please explain why NOAA decided to alter the temperature of 1997 which at 62F puts it a solid 4F above the 2015 "record"?

No.

Can you?

One data point for one year nearly two decades ago seems to me to be an example of cherry picking.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Here's the hard truth the leftist wacko media refuses to tell the public:

news.nationalgeographic.com
Sun Headed Into Hibernation, Solar Studies Predicts

By Victoria Jaggard, National Geographic News
Sunspots may disappear altogether in next cycle.

What a quiet sun looks like: Very few active regions are visible in this 2009 satellite picture.


Image courtesy STEREO/NASA
Enjoy our stormy sun while it lasts. When our star drops out of its latest sunspot activity cycle, the sun is most likely going into hibernation, scientists announced today.
Three independent studies of the sun's insides, surface, and upper atmosphere all predict that the next solar cycle will be significantly delayed—if it happens at all. Normally, the next cycle would be expected to start roughly around 2020.
The combined data indicate that we may soon be headed into what's known as a grand minimum, a period of unusually low solar activity.
The predicted solar "sleep" is being compared to the last grand minimum on record, which occurred between 1645 and 1715.
Known as the Maunder Minimum, the roughly 70-year period coincided with the coldest spell of the Little Ice Age, when European canals regularly froze solid and Alpine glaciers encroached on mountain villages.
(See "Sun Oddly Quiet—Hints at Next 'Little Ice Age?'")
"We have some interesting hints that solar activity is associated with climate, but we don't understand the association," said Dean Pesnell, project scientist for NASA's Solar Dynamics Observatory (SDO).
Also, even if there is a climate link, Pesnell doesn't think another grand minimum is likely to trigger a cold snap.
"With what's happening in current times—we've added considerable amounts of carbon dioxide and methane and other greenhouse gases to the atmosphere," said Pesnell, who wasn't involved in the suite of new sun studies.
"I don't think you'd see the same cooling effects today if the sun went into another Maunder Minimum-type behavior."
Sunspots Losing Strength
Sunspots are cool, dark blemishes visible on the sun's surface that indicate regions of intense magnetic activity.
For centuries scientists have been using sunspots—some of which can be wider than Earth—to track the sun's magnetic highs and lows.
(See the sharpest pictures yet of sunspots snapped in visible light.)
For instance, 17th-century astronomers Galileo Galilei and Giovanni Cassini separately tracked sunspots and noticed a lack of activity during the Maunder Minimum.
In the 1800s scientists recognized that sunspots come and go on a regular cycle that lasts about 11 years. We're now in Solar Cycle 24, heading for a maximum in the sun's activity sometime in 2013.
Recently, the National Solar Observatory's Matt Penn and colleagues analyzed more than 13 years of sunspot data collected at the McMath-Pierce Telescope at Kitt Peak, Arizona.
They noticed a long-term trend of sunspot weakening, and if the trend continues, the sun's magnetic field won't be strong enough to produce sunspots during Solar Cycle 25, Penn and colleagues predict.
"The dark spots are getting brighter," Penn said today during a press briefing. Based on their data, the team predicts that, by the time it's over, the current solar cycle will have been "half as strong as Cycle 23, and the next cycle may have no sunspots at all."
(Related: "Sunspot Cycles—Deciphering the Butterfly Pattern.")
Sun's "Jet Streams," Coronal Rush Also Sluggish
Separately, the National Solar Observatory's Frank Hill and colleagues have been monitoring solar cycles via a technique called helioseismology. This method uses surface vibrations caused by acoustic waves inside the star to map interior structure.
Specifically, Hill and colleagues have been tracking buried "jet streams" encircling the sun called torsional oscillations. These bands of flowing material first appear near the sun's poles and migrate toward the equator. The bands are thought to play a role in generating the sun's magnetic field.
(Related: "Sunspot Delay Due to Sluggish Solar 'Jet Stream?'")
Sunspots tend to occur along the pathways of these subsurface bands, and the sun generally becomes more active as the bands near its equator, so they act as good indicators for the timing of solar cycles.
"The torsional oscillation ... pattern for Solar Cycle 24 first appeared in 1997," Hill said today during the press briefing. "That means the flow for Cycle 25 should have appeared in 2008 or 2009, but it has not shown up yet."
According to Hill, their data suggest that the start of Solar Cycle 25 may be delayed until 2022—about two years late—or the cycle may simply not happen.
Adding to the evidence, Richard Altrock, manager of the U.S. Air Force's coronal research program for the National Solar Observatory (NSO), has observed telltale changes in a magnetic phenomenon in the sun's corona—its faint upper atmosphere.
Known as the rush to the poles, the rapid poleward movement of magnetic features in the corona has been linked to an increase in sunspot activity, with a solar cycle hitting its maximum around the time the features reach about 76 degrees latitude north and south of the sun's equator.
The rush to the poles is also linked to the sun "sweeping away" the magnetic field associated with a given solar cycle, making way for a new magnetic field and a new round of sunspot activity.
This time, however, the rush to the poles is more of a crawl, which means we could be headed toward a very weak solar maximum in 2013—and it may delay or even prevent the start of the next solar cycle.
Quiet Sun Exciting for Science
Taken together, the three lines of evidence strongly hint that Solar Cycle 25 may be a bust, the scientists said today during a meeting of the American Astronomical Society in Las Cruces, New Mexico.
But a solar lull is no cause for alarm, NSO's Hill said: "It's happened before, and life seems to go on. I'm not concerned but excited."
In many ways a lack of magnetic activity is a boon for science. Strong solar storms can emit blasts of charged particles that interfere with radio communications, disrupt power grids, and can even put excess drag on orbiting satellites.
"Drag is important for people like me at NASA," SDO's Pesnell said, "because we like to keep our satellites in space."
What's more, a decrease in sunspots doesn't necessarily mean a drop in other solar features such as prominences, which can produce aurora-triggering coronal mass ejections. In fact, records show that auroras continued to appear on a regular basis even during the Maunder Minimum, Pesnell said.
(See "Solar Flare Sparks Biggest Eruption Ever Seen on Sun.")
Instead, he said, the unusual changes to the sun's activity cycles offer an unprecedented opportunity for scientists to test theories about how the sun makes and destroys its magnetic field.
"Right now we have so many sun-watching satellites and advanced ground-based observatories ready to spring into action," Pesnell said. "If the sun is going to do something different, this is a great time for it to happen."

© 1996-2016 National Geographic Society.

Totally retarded thinking by the poster. Please professor, draw us the link between sunspots and how the sun warms the Earth. Then explain how and why a decrease in sunspots negate the greenhouse effect.

^ outs himself as a sock

a stinky one at that

But to his credit, he's blatantly obvious about who he is and not really trying to hide

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Scientists out weigh your opinion.

No they don't. The only thing that outweighs opinion is fact. You haven't produced any.

The fact that American conservatives are the only group left on the planet who still denies the science is all the fact that is required. The last and arguably the dumbest rubes on the planet.

There's no argument; the dilatory efforts of oil and coal producers, purveyors and the propagandists, those who put profit before people, and the air they breath, the water they drink, the soil they cultivate, and our great oceans, is obvious to the world.

The New Right (Anarcho-Capitlaists) ruck choose to believe those who have a conflict of interest, and to accuse the Scientists who accept grant money to study the issues of having a conflict of interests.

Can you please explain why NOAA decided to alter the temperature of 1997 which at 62F puts it a solid 4F above the 2015 "record"?

No.

Can you?

One data point for one year nearly two decades ago seems to me to be an example of cherry picking.

One data point? The world average temperature for the year 1997, and it's eliminated like an out of favor Stalin sidekick

 

[Wry Catcher]

No they don't. The only thing that outweighs opinion is fact. You haven't produced any.

The fact that American conservatives are the only group left on the planet who still denies the science is all the fact that is required. The last and arguably the dumbest rubes on the planet.

There's no argument; the dilatory efforts of oil and coal producers, purveyors and the propagandists, those who put profit before people, and the air they breath, the water they drink, the soil they cultivate, and our great oceans, is obvious to the world.

The New Right (Anarcho-Capitlaists) ruck choose to believe those who have a conflict of interest, and to accuse the Scientists who accept grant money to study the issues of having a conflict of interests.

Can you please explain why NOAA decided to alter the temperature of 1997 which at 62F puts it a solid 4F above the 2015 "record"?

No.

Can you?

One data point for one year nearly two decades ago seems to me to be an example of cherry picking.

One data point? The world average temperature for the year 1997, and it's eliminated like an out of favor Stalin sidekick

That's no an answer, and it also reflects your ignorance on meaning of a data point.

 

[Roudy]

Here's the hard truth the leftist wacko media refuses to tell the public:

news.nationalgeographic.com
Sun Headed Into Hibernation, Solar Studies Predicts

By Victoria Jaggard, National Geographic News
Sunspots may disappear altogether in next cycle.

What a quiet sun looks like: Very few active regions are visible in this 2009 satellite picture.


Image courtesy STEREO/NASA
Enjoy our stormy sun while it lasts. When our star drops out of its latest sunspot activity cycle, the sun is most likely going into hibernation, scientists announced today.
Three independent studies of the sun's insides, surface, and upper atmosphere all predict that the next solar cycle will be significantly delayed—if it happens at all. Normally, the next cycle would be expected to start roughly around 2020.
The combined data indicate that we may soon be headed into what's known as a grand minimum, a period of unusually low solar activity.
The predicted solar "sleep" is being compared to the last grand minimum on record, which occurred between 1645 and 1715.
Known as the Maunder Minimum, the roughly 70-year period coincided with the coldest spell of the Little Ice Age, when European canals regularly froze solid and Alpine glaciers encroached on mountain villages.
(See "Sun Oddly Quiet—Hints at Next 'Little Ice Age?'")
"We have some interesting hints that solar activity is associated with climate, but we don't understand the association," said Dean Pesnell, project scientist for NASA's Solar Dynamics Observatory (SDO).
Also, even if there is a climate link, Pesnell doesn't think another grand minimum is likely to trigger a cold snap.
"With what's happening in current times—we've added considerable amounts of carbon dioxide and methane and other greenhouse gases to the atmosphere," said Pesnell, who wasn't involved in the suite of new sun studies.
"I don't think you'd see the same cooling effects today if the sun went into another Maunder Minimum-type behavior."
Sunspots Losing Strength
Sunspots are cool, dark blemishes visible on the sun's surface that indicate regions of intense magnetic activity.
For centuries scientists have been using sunspots—some of which can be wider than Earth—to track the sun's magnetic highs and lows.
(See the sharpest pictures yet of sunspots snapped in visible light.)
For instance, 17th-century astronomers Galileo Galilei and Giovanni Cassini separately tracked sunspots and noticed a lack of activity during the Maunder Minimum.
In the 1800s scientists recognized that sunspots come and go on a regular cycle that lasts about 11 years. We're now in Solar Cycle 24, heading for a maximum in the sun's activity sometime in 2013.
Recently, the National Solar Observatory's Matt Penn and colleagues analyzed more than 13 years of sunspot data collected at the McMath-Pierce Telescope at Kitt Peak, Arizona.
They noticed a long-term trend of sunspot weakening, and if the trend continues, the sun's magnetic field won't be strong enough to produce sunspots during Solar Cycle 25, Penn and colleagues predict.
"The dark spots are getting brighter," Penn said today during a press briefing. Based on their data, the team predicts that, by the time it's over, the current solar cycle will have been "half as strong as Cycle 23, and the next cycle may have no sunspots at all."
(Related: "Sunspot Cycles—Deciphering the Butterfly Pattern.")
Sun's "Jet Streams," Coronal Rush Also Sluggish
Separately, the National Solar Observatory's Frank Hill and colleagues have been monitoring solar cycles via a technique called helioseismology. This method uses surface vibrations caused by acoustic waves inside the star to map interior structure.
Specifically, Hill and colleagues have been tracking buried "jet streams" encircling the sun called torsional oscillations. These bands of flowing material first appear near the sun's poles and migrate toward the equator. The bands are thought to play a role in generating the sun's magnetic field.
(Related: "Sunspot Delay Due to Sluggish Solar 'Jet Stream?'")
Sunspots tend to occur along the pathways of these subsurface bands, and the sun generally becomes more active as the bands near its equator, so they act as good indicators for the timing of solar cycles.
"The torsional oscillation ... pattern for Solar Cycle 24 first appeared in 1997," Hill said today during the press briefing. "That means the flow for Cycle 25 should have appeared in 2008 or 2009, but it has not shown up yet."
According to Hill, their data suggest that the start of Solar Cycle 25 may be delayed until 2022—about two years late—or the cycle may simply not happen.
Adding to the evidence, Richard Altrock, manager of the U.S. Air Force's coronal research program for the National Solar Observatory (NSO), has observed telltale changes in a magnetic phenomenon in the sun's corona—its faint upper atmosphere.
Known as the rush to the poles, the rapid poleward movement of magnetic features in the corona has been linked to an increase in sunspot activity, with a solar cycle hitting its maximum around the time the features reach about 76 degrees latitude north and south of the sun's equator.
The rush to the poles is also linked to the sun "sweeping away" the magnetic field associated with a given solar cycle, making way for a new magnetic field and a new round of sunspot activity.
This time, however, the rush to the poles is more of a crawl, which means we could be headed toward a very weak solar maximum in 2013—and it may delay or even prevent the start of the next solar cycle.
Quiet Sun Exciting for Science
Taken together, the three lines of evidence strongly hint that Solar Cycle 25 may be a bust, the scientists said today during a meeting of the American Astronomical Society in Las Cruces, New Mexico.
But a solar lull is no cause for alarm, NSO's Hill said: "It's happened before, and life seems to go on. I'm not concerned but excited."
In many ways a lack of magnetic activity is a boon for science. Strong solar storms can emit blasts of charged particles that interfere with radio communications, disrupt power grids, and can even put excess drag on orbiting satellites.
"Drag is important for people like me at NASA," SDO's Pesnell said, "because we like to keep our satellites in space."
What's more, a decrease in sunspots doesn't necessarily mean a drop in other solar features such as prominences, which can produce aurora-triggering coronal mass ejections. In fact, records show that auroras continued to appear on a regular basis even during the Maunder Minimum, Pesnell said.
(See "Solar Flare Sparks Biggest Eruption Ever Seen on Sun.")
Instead, he said, the unusual changes to the sun's activity cycles offer an unprecedented opportunity for scientists to test theories about how the sun makes and destroys its magnetic field.
"Right now we have so many sun-watching satellites and advanced ground-based observatories ready to spring into action," Pesnell said. "If the sun is going to do something different, this is a great time for it to happen."

© 1996-2016 National Geographic Society.

Totally retarded thinking by the poster. Please professor, draw us the link between sunspots and how the sun warms the Earth. Then explain how and why a decrease in sunspots negate the greenhouse effect.

You can't be this stupid.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Crick you poor idiot....can you tell me when, and under what circumstances the curvature of space time due to gravity is so trifling that it can be discounted as non existent?

Nothing? That's what I thought. So your claim of what I supposedly believe is just another instance of you talking out your ass...like when you claim that there is actual empirical evidence that adding CO2 to the atmosphere causes warming. Can you explain why, if that claim is true that the temperature has not increased since 2000 even though mankind has poured fully 30% of all the CO2 we ever created into the atmosphere since 2000?

just another instance of you talking out your ass...like when you claim that there is actual empirical evidence that adding CO2 to the atmosphere causes warming.

Let's start with the basics, shall we.




Now please explain why a higher concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere would not have a similar effect.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Here's the hard truth the leftist wacko media refuses to tell the public:

news.nationalgeographic.com
Sun Headed Into Hibernation, Solar Studies Predicts

By Victoria Jaggard, National Geographic News
Sunspots may disappear altogether in next cycle.

What a quiet sun looks like: Very few active regions are visible in this 2009 satellite picture.


Image courtesy STEREO/NASA
Enjoy our stormy sun while it lasts. When our star drops out of its latest sunspot activity cycle, the sun is most likely going into hibernation, scientists announced today.
Three independent studies of the sun's insides, surface, and upper atmosphere all predict that the next solar cycle will be significantly delayed—if it happens at all. Normally, the next cycle would be expected to start roughly around 2020.
The combined data indicate that we may soon be headed into what's known as a grand minimum, a period of unusually low solar activity.
The predicted solar "sleep" is being compared to the last grand minimum on record, which occurred between 1645 and 1715.
Known as the Maunder Minimum, the roughly 70-year period coincided with the coldest spell of the Little Ice Age, when European canals regularly froze solid and Alpine glaciers encroached on mountain villages.
(See "Sun Oddly Quiet—Hints at Next 'Little Ice Age?'")
"We have some interesting hints that solar activity is associated with climate, but we don't understand the association," said Dean Pesnell, project scientist for NASA's Solar Dynamics Observatory (SDO).
Also, even if there is a climate link, Pesnell doesn't think another grand minimum is likely to trigger a cold snap.
"With what's happening in current times—we've added considerable amounts of carbon dioxide and methane and other greenhouse gases to the atmosphere," said Pesnell, who wasn't involved in the suite of new sun studies.
"I don't think you'd see the same cooling effects today if the sun went into another Maunder Minimum-type behavior."
Sunspots Losing Strength
Sunspots are cool, dark blemishes visible on the sun's surface that indicate regions of intense magnetic activity.
For centuries scientists have been using sunspots—some of which can be wider than Earth—to track the sun's magnetic highs and lows.
(See the sharpest pictures yet of sunspots snapped in visible light.)
For instance, 17th-century astronomers Galileo Galilei and Giovanni Cassini separately tracked sunspots and noticed a lack of activity during the Maunder Minimum.
In the 1800s scientists recognized that sunspots come and go on a regular cycle that lasts about 11 years. We're now in Solar Cycle 24, heading for a maximum in the sun's activity sometime in 2013.
Recently, the National Solar Observatory's Matt Penn and colleagues analyzed more than 13 years of sunspot data collected at the McMath-Pierce Telescope at Kitt Peak, Arizona.
They noticed a long-term trend of sunspot weakening, and if the trend continues, the sun's magnetic field won't be strong enough to produce sunspots during Solar Cycle 25, Penn and colleagues predict.
"The dark spots are getting brighter," Penn said today during a press briefing. Based on their data, the team predicts that, by the time it's over, the current solar cycle will have been "half as strong as Cycle 23, and the next cycle may have no sunspots at all."
(Related: "Sunspot Cycles—Deciphering the Butterfly Pattern.")
Sun's "Jet Streams," Coronal Rush Also Sluggish
Separately, the National Solar Observatory's Frank Hill and colleagues have been monitoring solar cycles via a technique called helioseismology. This method uses surface vibrations caused by acoustic waves inside the star to map interior structure.
Specifically, Hill and colleagues have been tracking buried "jet streams" encircling the sun called torsional oscillations. These bands of flowing material first appear near the sun's poles and migrate toward the equator. The bands are thought to play a role in generating the sun's magnetic field.
(Related: "Sunspot Delay Due to Sluggish Solar 'Jet Stream?'")
Sunspots tend to occur along the pathways of these subsurface bands, and the sun generally becomes more active as the bands near its equator, so they act as good indicators for the timing of solar cycles.
"The torsional oscillation ... pattern for Solar Cycle 24 first appeared in 1997," Hill said today during the press briefing. "That means the flow for Cycle 25 should have appeared in 2008 or 2009, but it has not shown up yet."
According to Hill, their data suggest that the start of Solar Cycle 25 may be delayed until 2022—about two years late—or the cycle may simply not happen.
Adding to the evidence, Richard Altrock, manager of the U.S. Air Force's coronal research program for the National Solar Observatory (NSO), has observed telltale changes in a magnetic phenomenon in the sun's corona—its faint upper atmosphere.
Known as the rush to the poles, the rapid poleward movement of magnetic features in the corona has been linked to an increase in sunspot activity, with a solar cycle hitting its maximum around the time the features reach about 76 degrees latitude north and south of the sun's equator.
The rush to the poles is also linked to the sun "sweeping away" the magnetic field associated with a given solar cycle, making way for a new magnetic field and a new round of sunspot activity.
This time, however, the rush to the poles is more of a crawl, which means we could be headed toward a very weak solar maximum in 2013—and it may delay or even prevent the start of the next solar cycle.
Quiet Sun Exciting for Science
Taken together, the three lines of evidence strongly hint that Solar Cycle 25 may be a bust, the scientists said today during a meeting of the American Astronomical Society in Las Cruces, New Mexico.
But a solar lull is no cause for alarm, NSO's Hill said: "It's happened before, and life seems to go on. I'm not concerned but excited."
In many ways a lack of magnetic activity is a boon for science. Strong solar storms can emit blasts of charged particles that interfere with radio communications, disrupt power grids, and can even put excess drag on orbiting satellites.
"Drag is important for people like me at NASA," SDO's Pesnell said, "because we like to keep our satellites in space."
What's more, a decrease in sunspots doesn't necessarily mean a drop in other solar features such as prominences, which can produce aurora-triggering coronal mass ejections. In fact, records show that auroras continued to appear on a regular basis even during the Maunder Minimum, Pesnell said.
(See "Solar Flare Sparks Biggest Eruption Ever Seen on Sun.")
Instead, he said, the unusual changes to the sun's activity cycles offer an unprecedented opportunity for scientists to test theories about how the sun makes and destroys its magnetic field.
"Right now we have so many sun-watching satellites and advanced ground-based observatories ready to spring into action," Pesnell said. "If the sun is going to do something different, this is a great time for it to happen."

© 1996-2016 National Geographic Society.

Totally retarded thinking by the poster. Please professor, draw us the link between sunspots and how the sun warms the Earth. Then explain how and why a decrease in sunspots negate the greenhouse effect.

You can't be this stupid.

Too difficult for you to answer? It was your link. I would hope you understand it.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Crick you poor idiot....can you tell me when, and under what circumstances the curvature of space time due to gravity is so trifling that it can be discounted as non existent?

Nothing? That's what I thought. So your claim of what I supposedly believe is just another instance of you talking out your ass...like when you claim that there is actual empirical evidence that adding CO2 to the atmosphere causes warming. Can you explain why, if that claim is true that the temperature has not increased since 2000 even though mankind has poured fully 30% of all the CO2 we ever created into the atmosphere since 2000?

just another instance of you talking out your ass...like when you claim that there is actual empirical evidence that adding CO2 to the atmosphere causes warming.

Let's start with the basics, shall we.




Now please explain why a higher concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere would not have a similar effect.

Cool demo dude.
So will $30 trillion for windmills stop the climate from changing?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

You're an anonymous poster on a hyper-partisan discussion forum. There is absolutely no reason to believe you. And, even if you were, you are way out numbered.

Well.. why do you need to lie about warming?

This is the difference between the RAW unaltered data and your highly adjusted crap, from which you base all of your claims..

By the way, your outnumbered by about 70% of the population, which thinks this is all a lie and a scam.. The empirical evidence bears this out.

Sorry, if you can't even cite a valid source, what do you want me to do?

Just give me a trusted source that isn't part of some wingnut group, not full of conspiracy nuts and not paid by the oil industry.

Answer my empirical evidence post. Show me where CO2 can be attributed to any of the warming.. And how you ascertained this. Please post your math, methods, and data with which you made these conclusions... I'll wait..

Yeah, you're a scientist allright. There is no question that CO2 is a greenhouse gas. The better question is why wouldn't CO2 be attributed to any warming?
Set us right professor.

How many trillions should we spend to ensure climate never changes?

The cost of doing nothing is already adding up.
How much have we already spent in larger, stronger and untimely weather events in the past few years? How much will it cost to move entire coastal populations inland?

This is already happening. The future will be worse.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Here's the hard truth the leftist wacko media refuses to tell the public:

news.nationalgeographic.com
Sun Headed Into Hibernation, Solar Studies Predicts

By Victoria Jaggard, National Geographic News
Sunspots may disappear altogether in next cycle.

What a quiet sun looks like: Very few active regions are visible in this 2009 satellite picture.


Image courtesy STEREO/NASA
Enjoy our stormy sun while it lasts. When our star drops out of its latest sunspot activity cycle, the sun is most likely going into hibernation, scientists announced today.
Three independent studies of the sun's insides, surface, and upper atmosphere all predict that the next solar cycle will be significantly delayed—if it happens at all. Normally, the next cycle would be expected to start roughly around 2020.
The combined data indicate that we may soon be headed into what's known as a grand minimum, a period of unusually low solar activity.
The predicted solar "sleep" is being compared to the last grand minimum on record, which occurred between 1645 and 1715.
Known as the Maunder Minimum, the roughly 70-year period coincided with the coldest spell of the Little Ice Age, when European canals regularly froze solid and Alpine glaciers encroached on mountain villages.
(See "Sun Oddly Quiet—Hints at Next 'Little Ice Age?'")
"We have some interesting hints that solar activity is associated with climate, but we don't understand the association," said Dean Pesnell, project scientist for NASA's Solar Dynamics Observatory (SDO).
Also, even if there is a climate link, Pesnell doesn't think another grand minimum is likely to trigger a cold snap.
"With what's happening in current times—we've added considerable amounts of carbon dioxide and methane and other greenhouse gases to the atmosphere," said Pesnell, who wasn't involved in the suite of new sun studies.
"I don't think you'd see the same cooling effects today if the sun went into another Maunder Minimum-type behavior."
Sunspots Losing Strength
Sunspots are cool, dark blemishes visible on the sun's surface that indicate regions of intense magnetic activity.
For centuries scientists have been using sunspots—some of which can be wider than Earth—to track the sun's magnetic highs and lows.
(See the sharpest pictures yet of sunspots snapped in visible light.)
For instance, 17th-century astronomers Galileo Galilei and Giovanni Cassini separately tracked sunspots and noticed a lack of activity during the Maunder Minimum.
In the 1800s scientists recognized that sunspots come and go on a regular cycle that lasts about 11 years. We're now in Solar Cycle 24, heading for a maximum in the sun's activity sometime in 2013.
Recently, the National Solar Observatory's Matt Penn and colleagues analyzed more than 13 years of sunspot data collected at the McMath-Pierce Telescope at Kitt Peak, Arizona.
They noticed a long-term trend of sunspot weakening, and if the trend continues, the sun's magnetic field won't be strong enough to produce sunspots during Solar Cycle 25, Penn and colleagues predict.
"The dark spots are getting brighter," Penn said today during a press briefing. Based on their data, the team predicts that, by the time it's over, the current solar cycle will have been "half as strong as Cycle 23, and the next cycle may have no sunspots at all."
(Related: "Sunspot Cycles—Deciphering the Butterfly Pattern.")
Sun's "Jet Streams," Coronal Rush Also Sluggish
Separately, the National Solar Observatory's Frank Hill and colleagues have been monitoring solar cycles via a technique called helioseismology. This method uses surface vibrations caused by acoustic waves inside the star to map interior structure.
Specifically, Hill and colleagues have been tracking buried "jet streams" encircling the sun called torsional oscillations. These bands of flowing material first appear near the sun's poles and migrate toward the equator. The bands are thought to play a role in generating the sun's magnetic field.
(Related: "Sunspot Delay Due to Sluggish Solar 'Jet Stream?'")
Sunspots tend to occur along the pathways of these subsurface bands, and the sun generally becomes more active as the bands near its equator, so they act as good indicators for the timing of solar cycles.
"The torsional oscillation ... pattern for Solar Cycle 24 first appeared in 1997," Hill said today during the press briefing. "That means the flow for Cycle 25 should have appeared in 2008 or 2009, but it has not shown up yet."
According to Hill, their data suggest that the start of Solar Cycle 25 may be delayed until 2022—about two years late—or the cycle may simply not happen.
Adding to the evidence, Richard Altrock, manager of the U.S. Air Force's coronal research program for the National Solar Observatory (NSO), has observed telltale changes in a magnetic phenomenon in the sun's corona—its faint upper atmosphere.
Known as the rush to the poles, the rapid poleward movement of magnetic features in the corona has been linked to an increase in sunspot activity, with a solar cycle hitting its maximum around the time the features reach about 76 degrees latitude north and south of the sun's equator.
The rush to the poles is also linked to the sun "sweeping away" the magnetic field associated with a given solar cycle, making way for a new magnetic field and a new round of sunspot activity.
This time, however, the rush to the poles is more of a crawl, which means we could be headed toward a very weak solar maximum in 2013—and it may delay or even prevent the start of the next solar cycle.
Quiet Sun Exciting for Science
Taken together, the three lines of evidence strongly hint that Solar Cycle 25 may be a bust, the scientists said today during a meeting of the American Astronomical Society in Las Cruces, New Mexico.
But a solar lull is no cause for alarm, NSO's Hill said: "It's happened before, and life seems to go on. I'm not concerned but excited."
In many ways a lack of magnetic activity is a boon for science. Strong solar storms can emit blasts of charged particles that interfere with radio communications, disrupt power grids, and can even put excess drag on orbiting satellites.
"Drag is important for people like me at NASA," SDO's Pesnell said, "because we like to keep our satellites in space."
What's more, a decrease in sunspots doesn't necessarily mean a drop in other solar features such as prominences, which can produce aurora-triggering coronal mass ejections. In fact, records show that auroras continued to appear on a regular basis even during the Maunder Minimum, Pesnell said.
(See "Solar Flare Sparks Biggest Eruption Ever Seen on Sun.")
Instead, he said, the unusual changes to the sun's activity cycles offer an unprecedented opportunity for scientists to test theories about how the sun makes and destroys its magnetic field.
"Right now we have so many sun-watching satellites and advanced ground-based observatories ready to spring into action," Pesnell said. "If the sun is going to do something different, this is a great time for it to happen."

© 1996-2016 National Geographic Society.

Totally retarded thinking by the poster. Please professor, draw us the link between sunspots and how the sun warms the Earth. Then explain how and why a decrease in sunspots negate the greenhouse effect.

^ outs himself as a sock

How so?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Crick you poor idiot....can you tell me when, and under what circumstances the curvature of space time due to gravity is so trifling that it can be discounted as non existent?

Nothing? That's what I thought. So your claim of what I supposedly believe is just another instance of you talking out your ass...like when you claim that there is actual empirical evidence that adding CO2 to the atmosphere causes warming. Can you explain why, if that claim is true that the temperature has not increased since 2000 even though mankind has poured fully 30% of all the CO2 we ever created into the atmosphere since 2000?

just another instance of you talking out your ass...like when you claim that there is actual empirical evidence that adding CO2 to the atmosphere causes warming.

Let's start with the basics, shall we.




Now please explain why a higher concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere would not have a similar effect.

Cool demo dude.
So will $30 trillion for windmills stop the climate from changing?

I never said it would.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Well.. why do you need to lie about warming?

This is the difference between the RAW unaltered data and your highly adjusted crap, from which you base all of your claims..

By the way, your outnumbered by about 70% of the population, which thinks this is all a lie and a scam.. The empirical evidence bears this out.

Sorry, if you can't even cite a valid source, what do you want me to do?

Just give me a trusted source that isn't part of some wingnut group, not full of conspiracy nuts and not paid by the oil industry.

Answer my empirical evidence post. Show me where CO2 can be attributed to any of the warming.. And how you ascertained this. Please post your math, methods, and data with which you made these conclusions... I'll wait..

Yeah, you're a scientist allright. There is no question that CO2 is a greenhouse gas. The better question is why wouldn't CO2 be attributed to any warming?
Set us right professor.

How many trillions should we spend to ensure climate never changes?

The cost of doing nothing is already adding up.
How much have we already spent in larger, stronger and untimely weather events in the past few years? How much will it cost to move entire coastal populations inland?

This is already happening. The future will be worse.

The cost of doing nothing is already adding up.

Doing nothing? Obama's been wasting billion on green subsidies ever since the "stimulus".

How much have we already spent in larger, stronger and untimely weather events in the past few years?

Trillions on all the massive hurricanes since Katrina. Oh, wait. Never mind.

How much will it cost to move entire coastal populations inland?

Just as much as it will cost after wasting trillions on wind and solar.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Crick you poor idiot....can you tell me when, and under what circumstances the curvature of space time due to gravity is so trifling that it can be discounted as non existent?

Nothing? That's what I thought. So your claim of what I supposedly believe is just another instance of you talking out your ass...like when you claim that there is actual empirical evidence that adding CO2 to the atmosphere causes warming. Can you explain why, if that claim is true that the temperature has not increased since 2000 even though mankind has poured fully 30% of all the CO2 we ever created into the atmosphere since 2000?

just another instance of you talking out your ass...like when you claim that there is actual empirical evidence that adding CO2 to the atmosphere causes warming.

Let's start with the basics, shall we.




Now please explain why a higher concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere would not have a similar effect.

Cool demo dude.
So will $30 trillion for windmills stop the climate from changing?

I never said it would.

Heretic!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Crick you poor idiot....can you tell me when, and under what circumstances the curvature of space time due to gravity is so trifling that it can be discounted as non existent?

Nothing? That's what I thought. So your claim of what I supposedly believe is just another instance of you talking out your ass...like when you claim that there is actual empirical evidence that adding CO2 to the atmosphere causes warming. Can you explain why, if that claim is true that the temperature has not increased since 2000 even though mankind has poured fully 30% of all the CO2 we ever created into the atmosphere since 2000?

just another instance of you talking out your ass...like when you claim that there is actual empirical evidence that adding CO2 to the atmosphere causes warming.

Let's start with the basics, shall we.




Now please explain why a higher concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere would not have a similar effect.

Another lowbrow "Lets see if we can find morons who won't notice we're passing off increases in pressure for CO2 effects" experiment

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The fact that American conservatives are the only group left on the planet who still denies the science is all the fact that is required. The last and arguably the dumbest rubes on the planet.

There's no argument; the dilatory efforts of oil and coal producers, purveyors and the propagandists, those who put profit before people, and the air they breath, the water they drink, the soil they cultivate, and our great oceans, is obvious to the world.

The New Right (Anarcho-Capitlaists) ruck choose to believe those who have a conflict of interest, and to accuse the Scientists who accept grant money to study the issues of having a conflict of interests.

Can you please explain why NOAA decided to alter the temperature of 1997 which at 62F puts it a solid 4F above the 2015 "record"?

No.

Can you?

One data point for one year nearly two decades ago seems to me to be an example of cherry picking.

One data point? The world average temperature for the year 1997, and it's eliminated like an out of favor Stalin sidekick

That's no an answer, and it also reflects your ignorance on meaning of a data point.

So once we eliminate the years that had warmer temperatures, 2015 is a record setter.

You're OK with changing data that does not fit this stupid AGW theory of yours

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Crick you poor idiot....can you tell me when, and under what circumstances the curvature of space time due to gravity is so trifling that it can be discounted as non existent?

Nothing? That's what I thought. So your claim of what I supposedly believe is just another instance of you talking out your ass...like when you claim that there is actual empirical evidence that adding CO2 to the atmosphere causes warming. Can you explain why, if that claim is true that the temperature has not increased since 2000 even though mankind has poured fully 30% of all the CO2 we ever created into the atmosphere since 2000?

just another instance of you talking out your ass...like when you claim that there is actual empirical evidence that adding CO2 to the atmosphere causes warming.

Let's start with the basics, shall we.




Now please explain why a higher concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere would not have a similar effect.

Another lowbrow "Lets see if we can find morons who won't notice we're passing off increases in pressure for CO2 effects" experiment

WTF?