$16 Million Fine for Building Pond on Private Property

This is the point where government do-good regulations go beyond American freedoms and personal rights. How does a government agency have the power to stop a farmer from constructing a stock pond?



He's taking them to court – and it'll cost him lots and lots of $$$ he'll never get back. When do we elect representatives who will put a stop to this?



Read more @ Doug Ross @ Journal: Andy Johnson owes the #EPA more than $16 million in fines because he built a small pond on his land
You won't be happy until private corporations rule everything. Or own everything.

It's like terminator only its not robots its corporations that take us over.

This is why we have government and laws and rules. You gotta follow the rules.

Without rules theirs kaos.
Rules.....................LOL...............

If the EPA deems you in violation they will fine you to the moon without any recourse or your day in court. Where were these rules in the local and state building codes and inspections..........People get these permits and think they are legal only to be attacked by the EPA...............

Fucking ridiculous..................No Seizure or fines without your day in court over the issue.
 
This is the point where government do-good regulations go beyond American freedoms and personal rights. How does a government agency have the power to stop a farmer from constructing a stock pond?



He's taking them to court – and it'll cost him lots and lots of $$$ he'll never get back. When do we elect representatives who will put a stop to this?



Read more @ Doug Ross @ Journal: Andy Johnson owes the #EPA more than $16 million in fines because he built a small pond on his land
You won't be happy until private corporations rule everything. Or own everything.

It's like terminator only its not robots its corporations that take us over.

This is why we have government and laws and rules. You gotta follow the rules.

Without rules theirs kaos.
Rules.....................LOL...............

If the EPA deems you in violation they will fine you to the moon without any recourse or your day in court. Where were these rules in the local and state building codes and inspections..........People get these permits and think they are legal only to be attacked by the EPA...............

Fucking ridiculous..................No Seizure or fines without your day in court over the issue.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse. The DNR has more authority than cops. They can come on your private property. You got a problem with that? You sound like a terrorist.
 
This is the point where government do-good regulations go beyond American freedoms and personal rights. How does a government agency have the power to stop a farmer from constructing a stock pond?



He's taking them to court – and it'll cost him lots and lots of $$$ he'll never get back. When do we elect representatives who will put a stop to this?



Read more @ Doug Ross @ Journal: Andy Johnson owes the #EPA more than $16 million in fines because he built a small pond on his land
You won't be happy until private corporations rule everything. Or own everything.

It's like terminator only its not robots its corporations that take us over.

This is why we have government and laws and rules. You gotta follow the rules.

Without rules theirs kaos.
Rules.....................LOL...............

If the EPA deems you in violation they will fine you to the moon without any recourse or your day in court. Where were these rules in the local and state building codes and inspections..........People get these permits and think they are legal only to be attacked by the EPA...............

Fucking ridiculous..................No Seizure or fines without your day in court over the issue.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse. The DNR has more authority than cops. They can come on your private property. You got a problem with that? You sound like a terrorist.
Oh STFU.......................We have courts in this country and before they can implement these kind of fines they should have to use the court for a Stop Order, and get the court to approve the fines, and actions giving the accused their day in court.

If they have this kind of power then they should be part of the permitting and inspection process. Not after the fact.

The couple in Idaho had no evil intentions. They just wanted a retirement home. They did the process to the letter of the law only to get attacked later by the EPA, and as I've already said the EPA maps didn't list it as Wet Lands to begin with.

So they can come in and make up shit as they go against anyone they please...................and you don't see this as too much power.

Must suck to be you.

Spay or neuter a LIBERAL TODAY.
 
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This is the point where government do-good regulations go beyond American freedoms and personal rights. How does a government agency have the power to stop a farmer from constructing a stock pond?



He's taking them to court – and it'll cost him lots and lots of $$$ he'll never get back. When do we elect representatives who will put a stop to this?



Read more @ Doug Ross @ Journal: Andy Johnson owes the #EPA more than $16 million in fines because he built a small pond on his land
You won't be happy until private corporations rule everything. Or own everything.

It's like terminator only its not robots its corporations that take us over.

This is why we have government and laws and rules. You gotta follow the rules.

Without rules theirs kaos.
Rules.....................LOL...............

If the EPA deems you in violation they will fine you to the moon without any recourse or your day in court. Where were these rules in the local and state building codes and inspections..........People get these permits and think they are legal only to be attacked by the EPA...............

Fucking ridiculous..................No Seizure or fines without your day in court over the issue.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse. The DNR has more authority than cops. They can come on your private property. You got a problem with that? You sound like a terrorist.
Oh STFU.......................We have courts in this country and before they can implement these kind of fines they should have to use the court for a Stop Order, and get the court to approve the fines, and actions giving the accused their day in court.

If they have this kind of power then they should be part of the permitting and inspection process. Not after the fact.

The couple in Idaho had no evil intentions. They just wanted a retirement home. They did the process to the letter of the law only to get attacked later by the EPA, and as I've already said the EPA maps didn't list it as Wet Lands to begin with.

So they can come in and make up shit as they go against anyone they please...................and you don't see this as too much power.

Must suck to be you.

Spay or neuter a LIBERAL TODAY.
I figured this is another Clive Bundy scenerio. Lol
 
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This is the point where government do-good regulations go beyond American freedoms and personal rights. How does a government agency have the power to stop a farmer from constructing a stock pond?



He's taking them to court – and it'll cost him lots and lots of $$$ he'll never get back. When do we elect representatives who will put a stop to this?



Read more @ Doug Ross @ Journal: Andy Johnson owes the #EPA more than $16 million in fines because he built a small pond on his land
You won't be happy until private corporations rule everything. Or own everything.

It's like terminator only its not robots its corporations that take us over.

This is why we have government and laws and rules. You gotta follow the rules.

Without rules theirs kaos.
Rules.....................LOL...............

If the EPA deems you in violation they will fine you to the moon without any recourse or your day in court. Where were these rules in the local and state building codes and inspections..........People get these permits and think they are legal only to be attacked by the EPA...............

Fucking ridiculous..................No Seizure or fines without your day in court over the issue.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse. The DNR has more authority than cops. They can come on your private property. You got a problem with that? You sound like a terrorist.
Oh STFU.......................We have courts in this country and before they can implement these kind of fines they should have to use the court for a Stop Order, and get the court to approve the fines, and actions giving the accused their day in court.

If they have this kind of power then they should be part of the permitting and inspection process. Not after the fact.

The couple in Idaho had no evil intentions. They just wanted a retirement home. They did the process to the letter of the law only to get attacked later by the EPA, and as I've already said the EPA maps didn't list it as Wet Lands to begin with.

So they can come in and make up shit as they go against anyone they please...................and you don't see this as too much power.

Must suck to be you.

Spay or neuter a LIBERAL TODAY.
I figured this is another Clive Bundy scenerio. Lol
The BLM is another org than needs it's nuts cut off....................Another story and another round of BIG GOV'T GOOD from the likes of you..............

To take land, and give out fines with no legal recourse other than submit is BS. The only thing missing from you is the Brown Shirt and arm band.
 
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You won't be happy until private corporations rule everything. Or own everything.

It's like terminator only its not robots its corporations that take us over.

This is why we have government and laws and rules. You gotta follow the rules.

Without rules theirs kaos.
Rules.....................LOL...............

If the EPA deems you in violation they will fine you to the moon without any recourse or your day in court. Where were these rules in the local and state building codes and inspections..........People get these permits and think they are legal only to be attacked by the EPA...............

Fucking ridiculous..................No Seizure or fines without your day in court over the issue.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse. The DNR has more authority than cops. They can come on your private property. You got a problem with that? You sound like a terrorist.
Oh STFU.......................We have courts in this country and before they can implement these kind of fines they should have to use the court for a Stop Order, and get the court to approve the fines, and actions giving the accused their day in court.

If they have this kind of power then they should be part of the permitting and inspection process. Not after the fact.

The couple in Idaho had no evil intentions. They just wanted a retirement home. They did the process to the letter of the law only to get attacked later by the EPA, and as I've already said the EPA maps didn't list it as Wet Lands to begin with.

So they can come in and make up shit as they go against anyone they please...................and you don't see this as too much power.

Must suck to be you.

Spay or neuter a LIBERAL TODAY.
I figured this is another Clive Bundy scenerio. Lol
The BLM is another org than needs it's nuts cut off....................Another story and another round of BIG GOV'T GOOD from the likes of you..............

To take land, and give out fines with no legal recourse other than submit is BS. The only thing missing from you is the Brown Shirt and arm band.
I'm just not into this story as much as you. Don't like when people only tell half the story. Now I don't believe you. What else are you leaving out? So I stop caring what you say.

Maybe you'll do better next time. Hopefully I'll forget your screen name and not associate it with dishonest right wing ism.
 
Elvis has left the building................or can't say one way or another how this shit is wrong...................

Perhaps he or her can't bring themselves to admit that we have allowed orgs like the EPA TOO MUCH POWER.

In the end, he could only play why haven't the Republicans fix it.

tsk tsk

Sorry, it's Sunday and I have other things to do besides sit on a computer all day.

Your version is wrong, the EPA has power because business has abused respect for the law. Over the years we got fed up with dirty air, polluted water, dying forests, contaminated land both public and private, cancer causing pollutants, mercury in the atmosphere, asbestos in leftover mine tailings, rivers and faucets catching on fire, carcinogens in our food and much much more.

Now, business and the friends of those businesses complain about a problem they brought on themselves. There is a history, a traceable history of the destruction of our mutually shared environment. Business has stripped forests bare, dug massive open pits and left them for others to clean up, they've destroyed archaeological sites all in the pursuit of profit and don't care about the damage left behind.

I have never heard a business that didn't complain about regulations or cost and I have heard nothing but the old adage "But it will cost jobs" to defuse any attempt to subject rules upon them. Simply, the EPA exists to keep those people in line even when they fight not to.

Twenty major expansions to the pollution controls of the EPA Act which Nixon established have been passed since 1970. Since 1995, the Congress has been in mostly Republican hands. The reason that nothing has been done is because both sides understand the need that the environment be protected. The argument resting between how much power or how little and is why nothing gets done. Who wants to be responsible for a catastrophe?
LOL

I actually had held out the hope when you asked why the Republicans hadn't done anything about it that you saw the problem with it.....................But you go back to BIG GOV'T GOOD...........

So, if the EPA says anything or deems you in violation they are GOD and you have no recourse other than submit and OBEY...............You can't see the TYRANNY IN IT..................................
Search and Seizure without their day in Court is utter BS....................and that is what this case boils down to yet again.

The Sacketts weren't a big evil company. They were just Americans who picked a retirement property on a lake for their retirement. They followed the rules on buying the property. They got the permits, and had inspections done by the county. They even researched the Wet Lands issues on the maps................But the EPA came in and fucked their whole world up.......................and again you don't have a problem with it.

Says a lot about your ideology............

What simple Utopian views you have. You argue from principle that there should be no or dramatically less regulation. Could our dysfunctional congress rouse itself first to explore seriously the science surrounding every single regulatory issue then legislate on it? This world has become increasingly complex and complicated and elected politicians and their crony lobbyists do not serve the country well. Our politician's have their limits and the advice they receive from lobbyists is self serving. I certainly do not want a congressman deciding how much mercury coal-burning generators should emit and the last thing anyone should want to see is American turned into environmental disasters like China and Russia.

The Sackett's broke the law and the EPA exerted extraordinary abusive authority in handling the case. Both parties were wrong and the Sackett's get their day in court to see if they prevail. Congress should rein in that kind of usurpation of citizen rights, but beyond that I can think of no reason to approach this problem with an all or nothing approach versus the current reasonable care of our country's natural resources.
 
This is the point where government do-good regulations go beyond American freedoms and personal rights. How does a government agency have the power to stop a farmer from constructing a stock pond?



He's taking them to court – and it'll cost him lots and lots of $$$ he'll never get back. When do we elect representatives who will put a stop to this?



Read more @ Doug Ross @ Journal: Andy Johnson owes the #EPA more than $16 million in fines because he built a small pond on his land
You won't be happy until private corporations rule everything. Or own everything.

It's like terminator only its not robots its corporations that take us over.

This is why we have government and laws and rules. You gotta follow the rules.

Without rules theirs kaos.
Rules.....................LOL...............

If the EPA deems you in violation they will fine you to the moon without any recourse or your day in court. Where were these rules in the local and state building codes and inspections..........People get these permits and think they are legal only to be attacked by the EPA...............

Fucking ridiculous..................No Seizure or fines without your day in court over the issue.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse. The DNR has more authority than cops. They can come on your private property. You got a problem with that? You sound like a terrorist.

I can't tell whether you're joking or you're really that stupid.
 
This is the point where government do-good regulations go beyond American freedoms and personal rights. How does a government agency have the power to stop a farmer from constructing a stock pond?



He's taking them to court – and it'll cost him lots and lots of $$$ he'll never get back. When do we elect representatives who will put a stop to this?



Read more @ Doug Ross @ Journal: Andy Johnson owes the #EPA more than $16 million in fines because he built a small pond on his land
You won't be happy until private corporations rule everything. Or own everything.

It's like terminator only its not robots its corporations that take us over.

This is why we have government and laws and rules. You gotta follow the rules.

Without rules theirs kaos.
Rules.....................LOL...............

If the EPA deems you in violation they will fine you to the moon without any recourse or your day in court. Where were these rules in the local and state building codes and inspections..........People get these permits and think they are legal only to be attacked by the EPA...............

Fucking ridiculous..................No Seizure or fines without your day in court over the issue.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse. The DNR has more authority than cops. They can come on your private property. You got a problem with that? You sound like a terrorist.

I can't tell whether you're joking or you're really that stupid.
He's that stupid...................His last post proves it............He can't see the wrong in giving the EPA that kind of power without giving the people their day in court...........They only get their day in court because the Sacketts took it to the Supreme Court......................He and the leftist brigade are lunatics.
 
This is the point where government do-good regulations go beyond American freedoms and personal rights. How does a government agency have the power to stop a farmer from constructing a stock pond?



He's taking them to court – and it'll cost him lots and lots of $$$ he'll never get back. When do we elect representatives who will put a stop to this?



Read more @ Doug Ross @ Journal: Andy Johnson owes the #EPA more than $16 million in fines because he built a small pond on his land
You won't be happy until private corporations rule everything. Or own everything.

It's like terminator only its not robots its corporations that take us over.

This is why we have government and laws and rules. You gotta follow the rules.

Without rules theirs kaos.
Rules.....................LOL...............

If the EPA deems you in violation they will fine you to the moon without any recourse or your day in court. Where were these rules in the local and state building codes and inspections..........People get these permits and think they are legal only to be attacked by the EPA...............

Fucking ridiculous..................No Seizure or fines without your day in court over the issue.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse. The DNR has more authority than cops. They can come on your private property. You got a problem with that? You sound like a terrorist.

I can't tell whether you're joking or you're really that stupid.
He's that stupid...................His last post proves it............He can't see the wrong in giving the EPA that kind of power without giving the people their day in court...........They only get their day in court because the Sacketts took it to the Supreme Court......................He and the leftist brigade are lunatics.

That just goes to show that libturds are all Nazis underneath. They don't believe there should be any limits on government power or on what they can do to a citizen. Some of the things these drones will admit to is utterly appalling in any society that claims to believe in freedom and civil liberties.
 
You won't be happy until private corporations rule everything. Or own everything.

It's like terminator only its not robots its corporations that take us over.

This is why we have government and laws and rules. You gotta follow the rules.

Without rules theirs kaos.
Rules.....................LOL...............

If the EPA deems you in violation they will fine you to the moon without any recourse or your day in court. Where were these rules in the local and state building codes and inspections..........People get these permits and think they are legal only to be attacked by the EPA...............

Fucking ridiculous..................No Seizure or fines without your day in court over the issue.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse. The DNR has more authority than cops. They can come on your private property. You got a problem with that? You sound like a terrorist.

I can't tell whether you're joking or you're really that stupid.
He's that stupid...................His last post proves it............He can't see the wrong in giving the EPA that kind of power without giving the people their day in court...........They only get their day in court because the Sacketts took it to the Supreme Court......................He and the leftist brigade are lunatics.

That just goes to show that libturds are all Nazis underneath. They don't believe there should be any limits on government power or on what they can do to a citizen. Some of the things these drones will admit to is utterly appalling in any society that claims to believe in freedom and civil liberties.
Our country was never for Unlawful search and seizure from our gov't.......................Everyone should have the right to challenge these fines in court. PERIOD.............If the EPA has their shit together, then they shouldn't be scared to go to court against these people..................

Secondly, as I've already discussed...........they need to be in the permitting and inspection process to stop this BS............Coming in after the fact threatening citizens when they are TOO STUPID to even include the property in their own Wet Land Maps...................

Crazy fucking country we have now.......and these idiots defend it.
 
This is the point where government do-good regulations go beyond American freedoms and personal rights. How does a government agency have the power to stop a farmer from constructing a stock pond?



He's taking them to court – and it'll cost him lots and lots of $$$ he'll never get back. When do we elect representatives who will put a stop to this?



Read more @ Doug Ross @ Journal: Andy Johnson owes the #EPA more than $16 million in fines because he built a small pond on his land
You won't be happy until private corporations rule everything. Or own everything.

It's like terminator only its not robots its corporations that take us over.

This is why we have government and laws and rules. You gotta follow the rules.

Without rules theirs kaos.
Rules.....................LOL...............

If the EPA deems you in violation they will fine you to the moon without any recourse or your day in court. Where were these rules in the local and state building codes and inspections..........People get these permits and think they are legal only to be attacked by the EPA...............

Fucking ridiculous..................No Seizure or fines without your day in court over the issue.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse. The DNR has more authority than cops. They can come on your private property. You got a problem with that? You sound like a terrorist.

I can't tell whether you're joking or you're really that stupid.
He's that stupid...................His last post proves it............He can't see the wrong in giving the EPA that kind of power without giving the people their day in court...........They only get their day in court because the Sacketts took it to the Supreme Court......................He and the leftist brigade are lunatics.
No day in court. Sell your property to poor minority s. Spread the wealth.
 
You won't be happy until private corporations rule everything. Or own everything.

It's like terminator only its not robots its corporations that take us over.

This is why we have government and laws and rules. You gotta follow the rules.

Without rules theirs kaos.
Rules.....................LOL...............

If the EPA deems you in violation they will fine you to the moon without any recourse or your day in court. Where were these rules in the local and state building codes and inspections..........People get these permits and think they are legal only to be attacked by the EPA...............

Fucking ridiculous..................No Seizure or fines without your day in court over the issue.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse. The DNR has more authority than cops. They can come on your private property. You got a problem with that? You sound like a terrorist.

I can't tell whether you're joking or you're really that stupid.
He's that stupid...................His last post proves it............He can't see the wrong in giving the EPA that kind of power without giving the people their day in court...........They only get their day in court because the Sacketts took it to the Supreme Court......................He and the leftist brigade are lunatics.
No day in court. Sell your property to poor minority s. Spread the wealth.

Are you admitting you actually approve of the government expropriating your property without so much as hearing?
 
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You won't be happy until private corporations rule everything. Or own everything.

It's like terminator only its not robots its corporations that take us over.

This is why we have government and laws and rules. You gotta follow the rules.

Without rules theirs kaos.
Rules.....................LOL...............

If the EPA deems you in violation they will fine you to the moon without any recourse or your day in court. Where were these rules in the local and state building codes and inspections..........People get these permits and think they are legal only to be attacked by the EPA...............

Fucking ridiculous..................No Seizure or fines without your day in court over the issue.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse. The DNR has more authority than cops. They can come on your private property. You got a problem with that? You sound like a terrorist.

I can't tell whether you're joking or you're really that stupid.
He's that stupid...................His last post proves it............He can't see the wrong in giving the EPA that kind of power without giving the people their day in court...........They only get their day in court because the Sacketts took it to the Supreme Court......................He and the leftist brigade are lunatics.

That just goes to show that libturds are all Nazis underneath. They don't believe there should be any limits on government power or on what they can do to a citizen. Some of the things these drones will admit to is utterly appalling in any society that claims to believe in freedom and civil liberties.
If gov says jump you say how high.

Ask not what your ...you know the rest. Time to let Mexicans Indians and blacks have back what you stole
 
Rules.....................LOL...............

If the EPA deems you in violation they will fine you to the moon without any recourse or your day in court. Where were these rules in the local and state building codes and inspections..........People get these permits and think they are legal only to be attacked by the EPA...............

Fucking ridiculous..................No Seizure or fines without your day in court over the issue.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse. The DNR has more authority than cops. They can come on your private property. You got a problem with that? You sound like a terrorist.

I can't tell whether you're joking or you're really that stupid.
He's that stupid...................His last post proves it............He can't see the wrong in giving the EPA that kind of power without giving the people their day in court...........They only get their day in court because the Sacketts took it to the Supreme Court......................He and the leftist brigade are lunatics.
No day in court. Sell your property to poor minority s. Spread the wealth.

Are you admitting you actually approve of the government expropriating your property?
Yes. Isn't that what you believe? Arent you always correct? You know. Wink
 
You won't be happy until private corporations rule everything. Or own everything.

It's like terminator only its not robots its corporations that take us over.

This is why we have government and laws and rules. You gotta follow the rules.

Without rules theirs kaos.
Rules.....................LOL...............

If the EPA deems you in violation they will fine you to the moon without any recourse or your day in court. Where were these rules in the local and state building codes and inspections..........People get these permits and think they are legal only to be attacked by the EPA...............

Fucking ridiculous..................No Seizure or fines without your day in court over the issue.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse. The DNR has more authority than cops. They can come on your private property. You got a problem with that? You sound like a terrorist.

I can't tell whether you're joking or you're really that stupid.
He's that stupid...................His last post proves it............He can't see the wrong in giving the EPA that kind of power without giving the people their day in court...........They only get their day in court because the Sacketts took it to the Supreme Court......................He and the leftist brigade are lunatics.
No day in court. Sell your property to poor minority s. Spread the wealth.
Go Fuck yourself Liberal....................

LOL
 
Rules.....................LOL...............

If the EPA deems you in violation they will fine you to the moon without any recourse or your day in court. Where were these rules in the local and state building codes and inspections..........People get these permits and think they are legal only to be attacked by the EPA...............

Fucking ridiculous..................No Seizure or fines without your day in court over the issue.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse. The DNR has more authority than cops. They can come on your private property. You got a problem with that? You sound like a terrorist.

I can't tell whether you're joking or you're really that stupid.
He's that stupid...................His last post proves it............He can't see the wrong in giving the EPA that kind of power without giving the people their day in court...........They only get their day in court because the Sacketts took it to the Supreme Court......................He and the leftist brigade are lunatics.

That just goes to show that libturds are all Nazis underneath. They don't believe there should be any limits on government power or on what they can do to a citizen. Some of the things these drones will admit to is utterly appalling in any society that claims to believe in freedom and civil liberties.
If gov says jump you say how high.

Ask not what your ...you know the rest. Time to let Mexicans Indians and blacks have back what you stole
Did I forget Asians?
 
Rules.....................LOL...............

If the EPA deems you in violation they will fine you to the moon without any recourse or your day in court. Where were these rules in the local and state building codes and inspections..........People get these permits and think they are legal only to be attacked by the EPA...............

Fucking ridiculous..................No Seizure or fines without your day in court over the issue.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse. The DNR has more authority than cops. They can come on your private property. You got a problem with that? You sound like a terrorist.

I can't tell whether you're joking or you're really that stupid.
He's that stupid...................His last post proves it............He can't see the wrong in giving the EPA that kind of power without giving the people their day in court...........They only get their day in court because the Sacketts took it to the Supreme Court......................He and the leftist brigade are lunatics.

That just goes to show that libturds are all Nazis underneath. They don't believe there should be any limits on government power or on what they can do to a citizen. Some of the things these drones will admit to is utterly appalling in any society that claims to believe in freedom and civil liberties.
If gov says jump you say how high.

Ask not what your ...you know the rest. Time to let Mexicans Indians and blacks have back what you stole

No one could be as stupid as you're pretending to be.
 

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