149 years ago today

[jon_berzerk]

when did this supposed flip of the democrats take place

Google klanbake and you find the Democrat national convention of 1924

at this convention there had never been a larger gathering of the klan in history

Klanbake - encyclopedia article about Klanbake

 

[Freewill]

The truth, there was NO reason for the southern racist to leave the democrat party

You are repeating the same oversimplified false dilemma, positing a uniaxis political identity where at least a dual axis, if not a tri-axis, is necesary. The parties have never been defined in terms of one issue, though the closest parallel in Civil War era was economic issues. One of the primary causes for the alignment shift that happened was transitioning economic views and priorities. However, there was also evolution across nearly ever form of issue, most of which eventually became viewed as connecting to other issues differently than used to be the case. This same type of realignment has continued to this day, resulting in, for example, a variety of Republican flavors.

Conservative southern Democrats were supported by a primarily rural, working class, and lower income electorate. The aftermath of the Civil War and the abolition of slavery inflicted substantial economic hardship on the south. Some parts still have yet to recover fully, to this day. Meanwhile, the Republicans of those days were more closely aligned with a more liberal, rich elite professional class. Conservatives back then were the champions of the poor and working classes, while liberals were the ones who advocated on behalf of the ownership and business classes. Republicans were champions of federal power, while Democrats were champions of state rights.

As southern Democrats attempted to use state measures to continue suppressing blacks, Republicans attempted to leverage federal power to suppress Jim Crow. As time went on, the race politics of both sides opened the door for both parties memberships to become more diverse on economic issues. By the early 20th century both parties had their own variants of conservative and progressive elements. Economic issues were more complex, and clear economic identities were difficult to maintain, and a variety of other issues became common identifying markers.

Perhaps one of the best examples of the quintessential liberal style of Republican of a century ago is Teddy Roosevelt. Roosevelt once said "We welcome the German and the Irishman who becomes an American. We have no use for the German or Irishman who remains such," in regards to his view that American immigration policy should contain the expectation that an immigrant "Americanize" and become a US citizen. This, his endorsement of the gold standard in monetary policy, and his support for protectionary tariffs to favor American products over foreign imports are examples of positions that would be considered conservative principles by today's standards. But he also pushed Congress to deliver a wealth of new regulations on business, called for substantial estate taxation, supported unions, and was known as the "trust-buster." By modern standards, these would be considered liberal positions.

It is no more complicated then what I posted. But maybe I could have said it differently. So let me try again. There was no reason, because of racism, for the southern racist to leave the democrat party. Of course there were many other reasons such as state's rights and such but racism wasn't one of them.

And if the racist did leave the democrat party there is no evidence they had an effect on the Republican platform. Republicans have ALWAYS supported civil rights. Nixon and Reagan did more for blacks then Carter, Clinton and Obama combined.

The democrats wish to make the simplistic BS argument that because of LBJ, who was a ranting racist, got a civil rights act passed, by buying off and strong arming his own party, that makes up for years of racism and magically switches the parties' long history. Republicans supported LBJ's bill they didn't need bought off.

 

[Freewill]

when did this supposed flip of the democrats take place

Google klanbake and you find the Democrat national convention of 1924

at this convention there had never been a larger gathering of the klan in history

Klanbake - encyclopedia article about Klanbake

Asking a democrat such a question is like asking a GW fear monger what temperature the world should be. They don't know they just know. But I will guess they will say it was Nixon's southern strategy that did it which is total BS.

 

[Freewill]

149 years ago today, on Dec. 18, 1865, the 13th Amendment to the Constitution was adopted after ratification by 3/4 of the states. The Amendment prohibited slavery and involuntary servitude throughout the country.

A year before, the amendment had been passed by the Senate, but Democrats in the House voted against it in an effort to keep blacks "in their place" - a trend the Democrats continue to this day, starting and joining groups such as the Ku Klux Klan and passing legislation saying that black people can't manage their lives without the assistance of whites, despite strong objections of Republicans. With extensive political maneuvering by President Lincoln, the House finally overcame the resistance of racist Democrats and passed the Amendment.

How many Democrats can you name that are currently in the KKK?

Name anyone who belongs today. David Duke does come to mind and he did switch from Democrat, when he was heavily involved, to Republican where he isn't so much involved. But that said, him switching certainly didn't indicate a switch in the Republican Platform. It is not like they showed a racist movie in the WH like did the democrats.

Here is a list of KKK members, you will note on commonality.

Ku Klux Klan members in United States politics - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[NYcarbineer]

149 years ago today, on Dec. 18, 1865, the 13th Amendment to the Constitution was adopted after ratification by 3/4 of the states. The Amendment prohibited slavery and involuntary servitude throughout the country.

A year before, the amendment had been passed by the Senate, but Democrats in the House voted against it in an effort to keep blacks "in their place" - a trend the Democrats continue to this day, starting and joining groups such as the Ku Klux Klan and passing legislation saying that black people can't manage their lives without the assistance of whites, despite strong objections of Republicans. With extensive political maneuvering by President Lincoln, the House finally overcame the resistance of racist Democrats and passed the Amendment.

How many Democrats can you name that are currently in the KKK?

Name anyone who belongs today. David Duke does come to mind and he did switch from Democrat, when he was heavily involved, to Republican where he isn't so much involved. But that said, him switching certainly didn't indicate a switch in the Republican Platform. It is not like they showed a racist movie in the WH like did the democrats.

Here is a list of KKK members, you will note on commonality.

Ku Klux Klan members in United States politics - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Is the word 'currently' outside the scope of your vocabulary?

 

[NYcarbineer]

when did this supposed flip of the democrats take place

Google klanbake and you find the Democrat national convention of 1924

at this convention there had never been a larger gathering of the klan in history

Klanbake - encyclopedia article about Klanbake

Are you aware that 1924 was 90 years ago?

 

[NYcarbineer]

You would argue with me if I claimed the sun would rise in east tomorrow AM. If you do not want to claim the legacy of segregation that's fine, I feel no kinship with bigoted people like that and I would hope that you also feel desegregation was necessary. I personally identify with those who opposed such institutionalized racism and still oppose that kind of thing to this day although I wonder about you.

Well, if you're from the South then that is your legacy. If you identify with those who opposed such institutionalized racism that would mean you identify with the GOP, because Democrats even today are pushing institutionalized racism ... only now they're going around causing riots over Ferguson. They're pushing Affirmative Action and special laws in support of Blacks and Hispanics. They claim that the Tea Party is a bunch of White terrorists/racists. They want to make sure that the content of movies are controlled and are now using Al Sharpton to shakedown Sony Pictures. They want to take away an NBA owner's rights to run his team and thus his business because of things he said in a private phone conversation. This is the political party you support. Practicing institutional racism under the guise of political-correctness.

You are fucking retarded, like talking to one of the dumber tree stumps. I am beginning to think you actually believe your own trolling. Do you actually sit around thinking white people are getting the short end of the stick in this country? Incredible.

What did you think would happen once the Al Sharptons of the world got the power they wanted? Did you think they would want to bring peace and happiness to America? Bury the hatchet? Nope. They want to turn the tables on us ... and are actively doing so every chance they get. And it's not racist to see this and point out that it's happening today.

Anyone who thinks it couldn't possibly happen must think that some of the favored classes inside the Democrat party would never stoop so low as to do the very thing that took place under Jim Crow once they had the ear of folks in Washington. This is what racism is. Thinking that your race can't be racist. And only a progressive feels that opposing viewpoints are trollish behavior. They can never bring themselves to discuss their warped perspectives on the world. They simply want to prevent the discussion from ever happening ... that way their ideology cannot be challenged.

You did not help your case even one tiny bit and then to talk of warped perspectives, priceless.

You must be one seriously gullible idiot to think that every racist in the Democrat Party suddenly shifted over to the GOP ... especially since the Democrats keep giving them excuses not to vote for the political party that made sure that blacks have civil rights today. Many Democrats are still pissed about that. All they needed was false accusations about helping the rich to keep voting Democrat.

Goldwater go 88% of the vote in Mississippi in 1964. A state that was solidly Democratic for decades.

Where do you suppose those voters came from?

 

[Freewill]

149 years ago today, on Dec. 18, 1865, the 13th Amendment to the Constitution was adopted after ratification by 3/4 of the states. The Amendment prohibited slavery and involuntary servitude throughout the country.

A year before, the amendment had been passed by the Senate, but Democrats in the House voted against it in an effort to keep blacks "in their place" - a trend the Democrats continue to this day, starting and joining groups such as the Ku Klux Klan and passing legislation saying that black people can't manage their lives without the assistance of whites, despite strong objections of Republicans. With extensive political maneuvering by President Lincoln, the House finally overcame the resistance of racist Democrats and passed the Amendment.

How many Democrats can you name that are currently in the KKK?

Name anyone who belongs today. David Duke does come to mind and he did switch from Democrat, when he was heavily involved, to Republican where he isn't so much involved. But that said, him switching certainly didn't indicate a switch in the Republican Platform. It is not like they showed a racist movie in the WH like did the democrats.

Here is a list of KKK members, you will note on commonality.

Ku Klux Klan members in United States politics - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Is the word 'currently' outside the scope of your vocabulary?

Yours is a BS argument. The KKK, thankfully, has been reduced to little more then cult status.

 

[Freewill]

Well, if you're from the South then that is your legacy. If you identify with those who opposed such institutionalized racism that would mean you identify with the GOP, because Democrats even today are pushing institutionalized racism ... only now they're going around causing riots over Ferguson. They're pushing Affirmative Action and special laws in support of Blacks and Hispanics. They claim that the Tea Party is a bunch of White terrorists/racists. They want to make sure that the content of movies are controlled and are now using Al Sharpton to shakedown Sony Pictures. They want to take away an NBA owner's rights to run his team and thus his business because of things he said in a private phone conversation. This is the political party you support. Practicing institutional racism under the guise of political-correctness.

You are fucking retarded, like talking to one of the dumber tree stumps. I am beginning to think you actually believe your own trolling. Do you actually sit around thinking white people are getting the short end of the stick in this country? Incredible.

What did you think would happen once the Al Sharptons of the world got the power they wanted? Did you think they would want to bring peace and happiness to America? Bury the hatchet? Nope. They want to turn the tables on us ... and are actively doing so every chance they get. And it's not racist to see this and point out that it's happening today.

Anyone who thinks it couldn't possibly happen must think that some of the favored classes inside the Democrat party would never stoop so low as to do the very thing that took place under Jim Crow once they had the ear of folks in Washington. This is what racism is. Thinking that your race can't be racist. And only a progressive feels that opposing viewpoints are trollish behavior. They can never bring themselves to discuss their warped perspectives on the world. They simply want to prevent the discussion from ever happening ... that way their ideology cannot be challenged.

You did not help your case even one tiny bit and then to talk of warped perspectives, priceless.

You must be one seriously gullible idiot to think that every racist in the Democrat Party suddenly shifted over to the GOP ... especially since the Democrats keep giving them excuses not to vote for the political party that made sure that blacks have civil rights today. Many Democrats are still pissed about that. All they needed was false accusations about helping the rich to keep voting Democrat.

Goldwater go 88% of the vote in Mississippi in 1964. A state that was solidly Democratic for decades.

Where do you suppose those voters came from?

Your implication is that they voted that way because of racism when in fact, as has been shown to you, they would have had to vote that way not because of their racism but in spite of their racism. My gosh you imply that the whole of the south are racists then wonder why they don't vote democrat.

 

[jon_berzerk]

when did this supposed flip of the democrats take place

Google klanbake and you find the Democrat national convention of 1924

at this convention there had never been a larger gathering of the klan in history

Klanbake - encyclopedia article about Klanbake

Are you aware that 1924 was 90 years ago?

so you still can not point to the flip

 

[Freewill]

when did this supposed flip of the democrats take place

Google klanbake and you find the Democrat national convention of 1924

at this convention there had never been a larger gathering of the klan in history

Klanbake - encyclopedia article about Klanbake

Are you aware that 1924 was 90 years ago?

so you still can not point to the flip

You mean not being able to list one democrat that is in the KKK isn't proof enough of a flip? Or that those in the south quit voting for democrats? I mean really it makes just as much sense to say that those in the south that didn't support the democrat racism switched sides then it does to imply a switch that never happened.

 

[Nyvin]

We should ask John Lewis if the Democrats are still the more racists party...

 

[mudwhistle]

Well, if you're from the South then that is your legacy. If you identify with those who opposed such institutionalized racism that would mean you identify with the GOP, because Democrats even today are pushing institutionalized racism ... only now they're going around causing riots over Ferguson. They're pushing Affirmative Action and special laws in support of Blacks and Hispanics. They claim that the Tea Party is a bunch of White terrorists/racists. They want to make sure that the content of movies are controlled and are now using Al Sharpton to shakedown Sony Pictures. They want to take away an NBA owner's rights to run his team and thus his business because of things he said in a private phone conversation. This is the political party you support. Practicing institutional racism under the guise of political-correctness.

You are fucking retarded, like talking to one of the dumber tree stumps. I am beginning to think you actually believe your own trolling. Do you actually sit around thinking white people are getting the short end of the stick in this country? Incredible.

What did you think would happen once the Al Sharptons of the world got the power they wanted? Did you think they would want to bring peace and happiness to America? Bury the hatchet? Nope. They want to turn the tables on us ... and are actively doing so every chance they get. And it's not racist to see this and point out that it's happening today.

Anyone who thinks it couldn't possibly happen must think that some of the favored classes inside the Democrat party would never stoop so low as to do the very thing that took place under Jim Crow once they had the ear of folks in Washington. This is what racism is. Thinking that your race can't be racist. And only a progressive feels that opposing viewpoints are trollish behavior. They can never bring themselves to discuss their warped perspectives on the world. They simply want to prevent the discussion from ever happening ... that way their ideology cannot be challenged.

You did not help your case even one tiny bit and then to talk of warped perspectives, priceless.

You must be one seriously gullible idiot to think that every racist in the Democrat Party suddenly shifted over to the GOP ... especially since the Democrats keep giving them excuses not to vote for the political party that made sure that blacks have civil rights today. Many Democrats are still pissed about that. All they needed was false accusations about helping the rich to keep voting Democrat.

Goldwater go 88% of the vote in Mississippi in 1964. A state that was solidly Democratic for decades.

Where do you suppose those voters came from?

Link


Mississippi. Did Blacks and women have the right to vote in 1964 or not?

 

[NYcarbineer]

You are fucking retarded, like talking to one of the dumber tree stumps. I am beginning to think you actually believe your own trolling. Do you actually sit around thinking white people are getting the short end of the stick in this country? Incredible.

What did you think would happen once the Al Sharptons of the world got the power they wanted? Did you think they would want to bring peace and happiness to America? Bury the hatchet? Nope. They want to turn the tables on us ... and are actively doing so every chance they get. And it's not racist to see this and point out that it's happening today.

Anyone who thinks it couldn't possibly happen must think that some of the favored classes inside the Democrat party would never stoop so low as to do the very thing that took place under Jim Crow once they had the ear of folks in Washington. This is what racism is. Thinking that your race can't be racist. And only a progressive feels that opposing viewpoints are trollish behavior. They can never bring themselves to discuss their warped perspectives on the world. They simply want to prevent the discussion from ever happening ... that way their ideology cannot be challenged.

You did not help your case even one tiny bit and then to talk of warped perspectives, priceless.

You must be one seriously gullible idiot to think that every racist in the Democrat Party suddenly shifted over to the GOP ... especially since the Democrats keep giving them excuses not to vote for the political party that made sure that blacks have civil rights today. Many Democrats are still pissed about that. All they needed was false accusations about helping the rich to keep voting Democrat.

Goldwater go 88% of the vote in Mississippi in 1964. A state that was solidly Democratic for decades.

Where do you suppose those voters came from?

Link


Mississippi. Did Blacks and women have the right to vote in 1964 or not?

You're totally unfamiliar with the 1964 election? lol, then why are you trying to discuss the matter?

 

[Freewill]

What did you think would happen once the Al Sharptons of the world got the power they wanted? Did you think they would want to bring peace and happiness to America? Bury the hatchet? Nope. They want to turn the tables on us ... and are actively doing so every chance they get. And it's not racist to see this and point out that it's happening today.

Anyone who thinks it couldn't possibly happen must think that some of the favored classes inside the Democrat party would never stoop so low as to do the very thing that took place under Jim Crow once they had the ear of folks in Washington. This is what racism is. Thinking that your race can't be racist. And only a progressive feels that opposing viewpoints are trollish behavior. They can never bring themselves to discuss their warped perspectives on the world. They simply want to prevent the discussion from ever happening ... that way their ideology cannot be challenged.

You did not help your case even one tiny bit and then to talk of warped perspectives, priceless.

You must be one seriously gullible idiot to think that every racist in the Democrat Party suddenly shifted over to the GOP ... especially since the Democrats keep giving them excuses not to vote for the political party that made sure that blacks have civil rights today. Many Democrats are still pissed about that. All they needed was false accusations about helping the rich to keep voting Democrat.

Goldwater go 88% of the vote in Mississippi in 1964. A state that was solidly Democratic for decades.

Where do you suppose those voters came from?

Link


Mississippi. Did Blacks and women have the right to vote in 1964 or not?

You're totally unfamiliar with the 1964 election? lol, then why are you trying to discuss the matter?

You do understand that was 50 years ago?

 

[mudwhistle]

149 years ago today, on Dec. 18, 1865, the 13th Amendment to the Constitution was adopted after ratification by 3/4 of the states. The Amendment prohibited slavery and involuntary servitude throughout the country.

A year before, the amendment had been passed by the Senate, but Democrats in the House voted against it in an effort to keep blacks "in their place" - a trend the Democrats continue to this day, starting and joining groups such as the Ku Klux Klan and passing legislation saying that black people can't manage their lives without the assistance of whites, despite strong objections of Republicans. With extensive political maneuvering by President Lincoln, the House finally overcame the resistance of racist Democrats and passed the Amendment.

How many Democrats can you name that are currently in the KKK?

Name anyone who belongs today. David Duke does come to mind and he did switch from Democrat, when he was heavily involved, to Republican where he isn't so much involved. But that said, him switching certainly didn't indicate a switch in the Republican Platform. It is not like they showed a racist movie in the WH like did the democrats.

Here is a list of KKK members, you will note on commonality.

Ku Klux Klan members in United States politics - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Is the word 'currently' outside the scope of your vocabulary?

Notice the bigotry on display from elitist Democrats.

We don't believe their lies because we're too stupid to grasp the concepts they base their ideology on.

 

[Flash]

I love these stupid Libtard Obama voting Democrats talking about race because it is so hypocritical.

The dumbshits voted for Obama, who attended a filthy hateful inner city "church" for 20 years that preached racial hatred against Whites and Jews and even hate against the US. Obama's proclaimed spiritual adviser was the main racist asshole that did the preaching.

Obama has done nothing but racial divided this country since the Moon Bats elected him so their credibility on racism is pretty well shot.

Like he lied to us about Obamacare and everything else he said he he was going to bring the races in America together but as we have seen all he has done was implement the racial hate that the shithead Rev Wright brainwashed Obama with from the pulpit.

 

[mudwhistle]

What did you think would happen once the Al Sharptons of the world got the power they wanted? Did you think they would want to bring peace and happiness to America? Bury the hatchet? Nope. They want to turn the tables on us ... and are actively doing so every chance they get. And it's not racist to see this and point out that it's happening today.

Anyone who thinks it couldn't possibly happen must think that some of the favored classes inside the Democrat party would never stoop so low as to do the very thing that took place under Jim Crow once they had the ear of folks in Washington. This is what racism is. Thinking that your race can't be racist. And only a progressive feels that opposing viewpoints are trollish behavior. They can never bring themselves to discuss their warped perspectives on the world. They simply want to prevent the discussion from ever happening ... that way their ideology cannot be challenged.

You did not help your case even one tiny bit and then to talk of warped perspectives, priceless.

You must be one seriously gullible idiot to think that every racist in the Democrat Party suddenly shifted over to the GOP ... especially since the Democrats keep giving them excuses not to vote for the political party that made sure that blacks have civil rights today. Many Democrats are still pissed about that. All they needed was false accusations about helping the rich to keep voting Democrat.

Goldwater go 88% of the vote in Mississippi in 1964. A state that was solidly Democratic for decades.

Where do you suppose those voters came from?

Link


Mississippi. Did Blacks and women have the right to vote in 1964 or not?

You're totally unfamiliar with the 1964 election? lol, then why are you trying to discuss the matter?

This is supposed to be a debate. If you want to win the debate it isn't up to me to prove your claims are true.

 

[NYcarbineer]

You did not help your case even one tiny bit and then to talk of warped perspectives, priceless.

You must be one seriously gullible idiot to think that every racist in the Democrat Party suddenly shifted over to the GOP ... especially since the Democrats keep giving them excuses not to vote for the political party that made sure that blacks have civil rights today. Many Democrats are still pissed about that. All they needed was false accusations about helping the rich to keep voting Democrat.

Goldwater go 88% of the vote in Mississippi in 1964. A state that was solidly Democratic for decades.

Where do you suppose those voters came from?

Link


Mississippi. Did Blacks and women have the right to vote in 1964 or not?

You're totally unfamiliar with the 1964 election? lol, then why are you trying to discuss the matter?

This is supposed to be a debate. If you want to win the debate it isn't up to me to prove your claims are true.

It was your claim that Democrats in the south didn't shift to the GOP in 1964, and thereafter.

Prove it. Prove that Goldwater won the South without a huge Democrat swing to the GOP.

 

[mudwhistle]

You must be one seriously gullible idiot to think that every racist in the Democrat Party suddenly shifted over to the GOP ... especially since the Democrats keep giving them excuses not to vote for the political party that made sure that blacks have civil rights today. Many Democrats are still pissed about that. All they needed was false accusations about helping the rich to keep voting Democrat.

Goldwater go 88% of the vote in Mississippi in 1964. A state that was solidly Democratic for decades.

Where do you suppose those voters came from?

Link


Mississippi. Did Blacks and women have the right to vote in 1964 or not?

You're totally unfamiliar with the 1964 election? lol, then why are you trying to discuss the matter?

This is supposed to be a debate. If you want to win the debate it isn't up to me to prove your claims are true.

It was your claim that Democrats in the south didn't shift to the GOP in 1964, and thereafter.

Prove it. Prove that Goldwater won the South without a huge Democrat swing to the GOP.

Wasn't that the year they passed the Civil Rights Bill of 1964? Do you ever wonder why a bunch of Dixicrats would vote for a Republican?


*crickets*