Obamacare fines and penalties about to kick in for those who didn't join

[Little-Acorn]

Next year the fines and penalties start, for people who didn't sign up for the hugely expensive Obama-approved insurance policies the Democrats forced on them by enacting the Obamacare law.

These are the fines and penalties the Democrats wrote into the bill to force people to sign up, insisting that they weren't taxes.

Yes, the ones that, as soon as the votes were counted, the same Democrats turned around and insisted to the Supreme Court that they WERE taxes, not penalties. The Democrat knew that penalizing people for NOT doing something, was unconstitutional, so they engaged in doublethink as much as possible to try to fool people. The Supreme Court agreed, declaring such penalties unconstitutional.

So the Democrats lied (again) and told the Supremes that the penalties were taxes instead.

Now they're about to kick in.

Keep in mind: If you are trying to decide between paying your doubled or tripled Obamacare premiums, and putting food on the table, the most economical course is to drop all your health care insurance and pay these penalties. Then, if you get sick or injured, sign up right away for Obamacare insurance.

Under Obamacare, the insurance companies have to accept you, and pay for your treatment, even though the problem occurred before you signed up with them. Let them pay for your treatment, and when you're cured, then drop the insurance again. Until the next time you get sick, then do it all over again.

The penalties are much lower that the Obamacare premiums. And it's completely legal - you'll be obeying the Obamacare law 100%.

An extra incentive: If you reduce your income tax withholding enough that you have to send the Fed govt money on April 15, they can't charge you that Obamacare penalty. They can only take the penalty money if they owe YOU a refund on April 15. If you owe them, you're home free, and can't be charged the penalty for not signing up for Obamacare. And your paychecks will be bigger, since you reduced your payroll withholding. And this is completely legal - the Democrats deliberately wrote the law that way.

Otherwise, get ready to pay, and pay, and pay, starting next year, thanks to Obamacare.

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ObamaCare fines loom for uninsured TheHill

ObamaCare fines loom for uninsured

By Elise Viebeck - 12/17/14 06:00 AM EST

People without insurance are running out of time to avoid the hefty ObamaCare penalties that the IRS will be handing down in 2016.

Consumers face a Feb. 15, 2015, deadline to buy insurance, after which those without coverage could be hit with fines of $325 per adult or 2 percent of family income, whichever is higher.

Uninsured people looking to escape the penalties are turning to the exchanges before they close, while insurance companies and tax preparers are seizing on the looming tax hit as a business opportunity.

One recent mass mailer from CareFirst BlueCross BlueShield obtained by The Hill warned potential customers in the Washington, D.C., region that going without health insurance coverage would come with a steep cost.

 

[g5000]

You pay a heavy tax fine if you don't have kids. You pay another heavy tax fine if you don't have a mortgage. You pay another tax fine if you don't buy the right kind of refrigerator, or the right car, or get your electricity from the right source.

It was not a big leap to make you pay a tax fine for not having the right kind of health insurance.

You insisted the government reward and punish you for behaving in certain ways. Now the government has taken those decisions out of your hands.

Boo fucking hoo.

This is what happens when you keep demanding the government perform a massive behavior modification program through the tax code.

 

[Little-Acorn]

You insisted the government reward and punish you for behaving in certain ways.

Nice try. But I've objected to those program from the day they were written - by liberals.

Obamacare is just more of the same... and is just as wrong.

 

[g5000]

You insisted the government reward and punish you for behaving in certain ways.

Nice try. But I've objected to those program from the day they were written - by liberals.

Obamacare is just more of the same... and is just as wrong.

You objected to the mortgage interest deduction from the day it was written? In 1894?

The mortgage interest deduction was written by liberals? You have a link?

 

[Dan Daly]

One of my kids is lucky to make 30k a year. The cheapest health insurance he can find in the exchanges, even factoring "subsidies" will cost him about 200 bucks a month in premiums plus a lot of out-of-pocket expenses and deductibles. The fine/penalty/tax will cost him about 750 bucks. The math dictates that he's better off paying cash on-demand to the growing population of health professionals that are taking cash and shunning insurance, while refusing to participate in the government's latest income extraction scam.

 

[g5000]

All interest was allowed to be deducted in 1894. But in 1986, most interest deductions were eliminated, but the mortgage interest deduction was preserved.

By Reagan. That fucking liberal.

 

[Dan Daly]

You pay a heavy tax fine if you don't have kids. You pay another heavy tax fine if you don't have a mortgage. You pay another tax fine if you don't buy the right kind of refrigerator, or the right car, or get your electricity from the right source.

It was not a big leap to make you pay a tax fine for not having the right kind of health insurance.

You insisted the government reward and punish you for behaving in certain ways. Now the government has taken those decisions out of your hands.

Boo fucking hoo.

This is what happens when you keep demanding the government perform a massive behavior modification program through the tax code.

Which is why I decided to just quit paying taxes. Starve the beast.

 

[g5000]

The mortgage interest deduction is the only tax benefit that
President Reagan promised to protect in 1984 when his Treasury Department was
preparing the wide-reaching reform proposals that would form the basis for the
1986 Tax Reform Act.1 I

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/UploadedPDF/1001677-Toder-Ways-and-Means-MID.pdf


Goddam liberal!

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Next year the fines and penalties start, for people who didn't sign up for the hugely expensive Obama-approved insurance policies the Democrats forced on them by enacting the Obamacare law.

These are the fines and penalties the Democrats wrote into the bill to force people to sign up, insisting that they weren't taxes.

Yes, the ones that, as soon as the votes were counted, the same Democrats turned around and insisted to the Supreme Court that they WERE taxes, not penalties. The Democrat knew that penalizing people for NOT doing something, was unconstitutional, so they engaged in doublethink as much as possible to try to fool people. The Supreme Court agreed, declaring such penalties unconstitutional.

So the Democrats lied (again) and told the Supremes that the penalties were taxes instead.

Now they're about to kick in.

Keep in mind: If you are trying to decide between paying your doubled or tripled Obamacare premiums, and putting food on the table, the most economical course is to drop all your health care insurance and pay these penalties. Then, if you get sick or injured, sign up right away for Obamacare insurance.

Under Obamacare, the insurance companies have to accept you, and pay for your treatment, even though the problem occurred before you signed up with them. Let them pay for your treatment, and when you're cured, then drop the insurance again. Until the next time you get sick, then do it all over again.

The penalties are much lower that the Obamacare premiums. And it's completely legal - you'll be obeying the Obamacare law 100%.

An extra incentive: If you reduce your income tax withholding enough that you have to send the Fed govt money on April 15, they can't charge you that Obamacare penalty. They can only take the penalty money if they owe YOU a refund on April 15. If you owe them, you're home free, and can't be charged the penalty for not signing up for Obamacare. And your paychecks will be bigger, since you reduced your payroll withholding. And this is completely legal - the Democrats deliberately wrote the law that way.

Otherwise, get ready to pay, and pay, and pay, starting next year, thanks to Obamacare.

--------------------------------------------

ObamaCare fines loom for uninsured TheHill

ObamaCare fines loom for uninsured

By Elise Viebeck - 12/17/14 06:00 AM EST

People without insurance are running out of time to avoid the hefty ObamaCare penalties that the IRS will be handing down in 2016.

Consumers face a Feb. 15, 2015, deadline to buy insurance, after which those without coverage could be hit with fines of $325 per adult or 2 percent of family income, whichever is higher.

Uninsured people looking to escape the penalties are turning to the exchanges before they close, while insurance companies and tax preparers are seizing on the looming tax hit as a business opportunity.

One recent mass mailer from CareFirst BlueCross BlueShield obtained by The Hill warned potential customers in the Washington, D.C., region that going without health insurance coverage would come with a steep cost.

WHEW! I barely escaped those dozens of dollars in fines... and all I had to do was to buy $20,000/ year in insurance. The good news is that as a 54 year old man, married to the same 55 year old woman for 35 years, in excellent health, our birth control is covered.

 

[Freewill]

All interest was allowed to be deducted in 1894. But in 1986, most interest deductions were eliminated, but the mortgage interest deduction was preserved.

By Reagan. That fucking liberal.

Why does that make him a liberal in your mind?

 

[g5000]

The child tax credit was enacted as part of the Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997. Congress established the child tax credit to address concerns that the tax structure did not adequately reflect a family’s reduced ability to pay taxes as family size increased.

TPC Tax Topics Child Tax Credit

Congress created the child tax credit in 1997. House Speaker: Gingrich. Senate Majority Leader: Trent Lott

Those sneaky liberals!

 

[Freewill]

Ads on the TV for Obamacare push one thing, you are probably eligible to be subsidized. Doesn't say if you are not you will be forcibly raped.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

The mortgage interest deduction is the only tax benefit that
President Reagan promised to protect in 1984 when his Treasury Department was
preparing the wide-reaching reform proposals that would form the basis for the
1986 Tax Reform Act.1 I

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/UploadedPDF/1001677-Toder-Ways-and-Means-MID.pdf


Goddam liberal!

ROFLMNAO! There are liars and dam'd liars and they're all found within the ranks of the secular humanists.

 

[g5000]

The child tax credit was one of the planks of Gingrich's Contract with America™.

Contract with America - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The American Dream Restoration Act
An act to create a $500-per-child tax credit, add a tax credit for couples who pay more taxes in aggregate if they are married than if they were single (but keep in place the fiction of Earned Income Splitting), and creation of American Dream Savings Accounts to provide middle-class tax relief. H.R.1215, passed 246-188, 4/5/95.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

- You pay a heavy tax fine if you don't have kids.

- You pay another heavy tax fine if you don't have a mortgage.

- You pay another tax fine if you don't buy the right kind of refrigerator, or the right car, or get your electricity from the right source.

False on every single point. What you're referring to, is tax incentives, wherein one receives a deduction from their tax liability, if one has kids, a mortgage or buys an energy efficient car.

There is no increase in tax liability is one does NOT. One's tax liability is determined by the tax bracket which is realized by one's income level. At that point, one's tax liability is established.

Deductions from such are merely incentives.


obamaScare, literally INCREASES one's tax liability BEYOND their bracketed liability for having failed to purchase health insurance.

You're merely attempting to deceitfully rationalize that fact, through fraudulent means in an attempt to influence the ignorant.

 

[g5000]

So where was I.

Ah, yes.

You insisted the government reward and punish certain behaviors. You get punished for not having a mortgage. You get punished for not having kids. You get punished for not buying the right car or the right refrigerator and many other consumer products. You get punished for not buying the right kind of electricity!

So it was no big deal to add one more consumer product to that list: health insurance.

This is what happens when you demand a nanny state.

 

[g5000]

- You pay a heavy tax fine if you don't have kids.

- You pay another heavy tax fine if you don't have a mortgage.

- You pay another tax fine if you don't buy the right kind of refrigerator, or the right car, or get your electricity from the right source.

False on every single point. ABSOLUTELY FALSE... .

Nope, it is all true. I guess you have never paid taxes.

If you don't have a mortgage, you pay considerably more taxes than someone who earns an identical income who does have a mortgage. You are punished for not having a mortgage.

Simple fact.

Sorry about that!

 

[Little-Acorn]

So where was I.

Ah, yes.

You insisted the government reward and punish certain behaviors.

Nice try. But I've objected to those program from the day they were written - by liberals.

Obamacare is just more of the same... and is just as wrong.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

- You pay a heavy tax fine if you don't have kids.

- You pay another heavy tax fine if you don't have a mortgage.

- You pay another tax fine if you don't buy the right kind of refrigerator, or the right car, or get your electricity from the right source.

False on every single point. ABSOLUTELY FALSE... .
What you're referring to, is tax incentives, wherein one receives a deduction from their tax liability, if one has kids, a mortgage or buys an energy efficient car.

There is no increase in tax liability is one does NOT. One's tax liability is determined by the tax bracket which is realized by one's income level. At that point, one's tax liability is established.

Deductions from such are merely incentives.


obamaScare, literally INCREASES one's tax liability BEYOND their bracketed liability for having failed to purchase health insurance.

You're merely attempting to deceitfully rationalize that fact, through fraudulent means in an attempt to influence the ignorant.

Nope, it is all true. ... .

Nonsense in the EXTREME! It's not even a debatable point.

 

[g5000]

All interest was allowed to be deducted in 1894. But in 1986, most interest deductions were eliminated, but the mortgage interest deduction was preserved.

By Reagan. That fucking liberal.

Why does that make him a liberal in your mind?

Little Acorn said the behavior modification programs in the tax code were created by liberals. Reagan preserved the mortgage interest deduction which punishes you if you don't have a mortgage. Ergo, he is a liberal.

Gingrich created the child tax credit which punishes you if you don't have kids. Ergo, he is a liberal.