HistoryBefore67
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I'd rather watch the extended Director's Cut of Ishtar.
Zionist Annexation Creeps Into the Negev
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I'd rather watch the extended Director's Cut of Ishtar.
Hossfly
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Looks like Benny Morris has changed his mind about things..........
Mideast Dispatch Archive: Israel’s leading new historian appears to change his mind
georgephillip
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Your link:
"Morris had other plans. He knew that he was about to catch is audience unawares. In the course of the presentation, he informed his audience that the Palestinians have consistently rejected any notion of compromise.
"They opposed the Peel Commission Partition Plan on 1937 proposing both a Jewish state and an Arab state in the territory of Mandatory Palestine, and they rejected the UN Partition Plan of 1947 which called for the partition of British-ruled Mandatory Palestine into a Jewish state and an Arab state."
It never occurs to apologists like Morris to ask what authority the Peel Commission or the UN possessed that would allow them to inflict a Jewish ethnocracy on an Arab majority in Palestine. Simple self-determination in 1948 Mandate Palestine would have required elections which would not have brought a Jewish state into existence in the heart of Arab oil. At least Benny's Zionist forefathers were more honest about the role an Iron Wall would play in the colonization of Palestine:
"All Natives Resist Colonists
"...It may be that some individual Arabs take bribes. But that does not mean that the Arab people of Palestine as a whole will sell that fervent patriotism that they guard so jealously, and which even the Papuans will never sell.
"Every native population in the world resists colonists as long as it has the slightest hope of being able to rid itself of the danger of being colonised.
"That is what the Arabs in Palestine are doing, and what they will persist in doing as long as there remains a solitary spark of hope that they will be able to prevent the transformation of 'Palestine' into the 'Land of Israel.'"
"The Iron Wall" by Ze'ev (Vladimir Jabotinsky
The "Land of Israel" was born with the stain of racist colonial conquest.
ForeverYoung436
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When the Ottoman Empire was carved up after WW1, 22 Arab countries were created with great oil wealth between them. They did not accomplish much of anything. One country was designated for the Jews, because Jews had suffered for 2000 years under other peoples' rule, and because Israel was the Jews' ancestral homeland. Take the example of my mom's family. They HAD to leave Poland because of riots against the Jews. My mom remembers turning back while she was on the road with all the refugees, and seeing the synagogue on fire. They applied for visas to the United States, but couldn't get them. They had no choice but to go to Israel, which represents less than 1% of the land mass of the Middle East. Like one historian said, "The Arabs wanting Israel is equivalent to King Ahab and Queen Jezebel desiring Naboth's vineyard."
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georgephillip
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Arab Palestinians didn't burn your mom's synagogue.
IMHO, Jew and Arab alike in 1948 Mandate Palestine had a unique opportunity (at least in the Middle East) to settle their fate at the ballot box; neither nation would have had enough votes to enforce an ethnocracy like the one we see today between the River and the sea. It is far more likely we would see a Semitic union reaching from the Nile to the Euphrates today in its place. Arab oil and Jewish organizational genius might have produced a global superpower indifferent to the edicts of Moscow, DC, and the EU. Maybe it's never too late?
Hossfly
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You are a dreamer, Georgie Boy. The Muslim Arabs would never have worked with the Jews as equal partners. The Jews and other non-Muslims would have been considered the dhimmis.
georgephillip
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Prior to 1948 a majority of those living between the River and the sea would have voted to work together in the creation of a democratic confederacy instead of a Jewish ethnocracy. Your problem with that is what exactly?
Uri Avnery:
"Joining a great Semitic confederacy would mean, for Israel, putting an end to the Zionist chapter in its history and starting a new one—the chapter of Israel as a state integrated in its Region, playing a part in the Region's struggle for progress and unity.
"For the Arabs it would mean recognition of a post-Zionist Israel as a part of the Region, a part which could and should not be abolished because, in its new form, it is a factor in the struggle for the common good.
"Let me be quite clear about this. A lot of nonsense has been written about solutions which do not recognize the existence of Israel as a sovereign state. Not one single Israeli, and certainly not I, would ever agree to any such solution.
"The existence of Israel as a sovereign state is the point of departure for any solution, as much as the rights and the aspirations of the Palestinian nation and any other Arab people.
"Semitic Union not only provides a framework for mutual acceptance, but has many other advantages.
"1. First, it would end mutual fear and suspicion, the most dangerous elements in the present situation. Providing for common defense and coordinating the military affairs of all member states, it would make possible a gradual general disarmament and de-nuclearization with mutual inspection. By abolishing military secrecy, it would safeguard everyone from surprise attacks and surprise concentrations of troops—such as the Egyptian one which triggered the 1967 war, or the imaginary Israeli one on the Syrian front which led up to it.
"2. Union would also mean a pooling of political power. Joining the Union, Israel would, at long last, align itself with the prevalent trend in the Afro-Asian world and support those Arab struggles for liberation which are still unresolved. Israel's influence in the world would be put at the disposal of a Regional leadership, giving such leadership an impact which it lacked even at the height of Abd-el-Nasser's successes as a leader of the "Third World."
"3. Economically, the potential advantages are enormous. For Israel, it would mean the end of Arab boycotts and the integration of its economy into the Region. For the Arabs it would mean the possibility of meaningful Regional planning, a Semitic common market which would harness the immense wealth of Arab oil to the cause of progress and industrialization of the Arab peoples, especially Egypt."
Pax Semitica by Uri Avnery
Only those born and bred with a racist stain would object to equality in the Holy Land.
Hossfly
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Georgie Boy, you can try to fool the many viewers that you actually care about the Arabs and are not just using them in your fight against the Jews, but I think most of the viewers are smart enough not to fall for it. You can read Uri Avnery all you want to if it makes you happy. I have my eyes open and see what is going on in Muslim countries now and also in the past, and they certainly aren't cooperating with those who are non Muslims. If they can't even cooperate with each other of different sects, then I will reiterate (regardless of what your hero Avnery says) that they would never have cooperated with the Jews. Maybe Georgie Boy in his mind thinks that harassing and murdering such people as the Copts is actually cooperation.
georgephillip
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How many different Christian sects are there in the US?
How many cooperate in the same way as Muslims and Copts?
How many Muslims are murdering, maiming, incarcerating, and displacing millions of Christians on the opposite side of the planet?
Sweet_Caroline
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georgephillip
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Your Link:
"Why don't you allow comments on your site?
"We love the free exchange of ideas and the only reason that we don't have a place for readers to post feedback and opinion is the Council on American-Islamic Relations.
"We don't want CAIR doing to us what they keep doing to Robert Spencer of JihadWatch by pretending that a single unmoderated and bigoted comment by a third party reflects the opinion of a host who has consistently insisted otherwise.
"When CAIR apologizes to Spencer for this sleazy and underhanded game, then we will know that it is safe to allow others to voice their personal opinions here.
"[Note: When Nazi banners were brought to CAIR's anti-Israel rallies in 2009, the organization later disowned them, even though it will not extend the same courtesy to JihadWatch."
Your link also doesn't mention the millions of innocent non-violent Muslims who've been maimed, murdered, incarcerated, and displaced by a mostly Christian antagonist located on the opposite side of the planet.
For example:
"'Toxic legacy of US assault on Fallujah 'worse than Hiroshima'
"The shocking rates of infant mortality and cancer in Iraqi city raise new questions about battle"
Toxic legacy of US assault on Fallujah 'worse than Hiroshima' - Middle East - World - The Independent
Hossfly
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Georgie Boy, if you have a problem with America, no one is forcing you to stay here. You can go to some country like Sudan where they are busy killing Christians and members of Black tribes. By the way, we shouldn't forget that a C.A.I.R. official once said that the Muslims are not in the U.S. to follow the Constitution, but Sharia Law. There was an article recently about a C.A.I.R. official stating that he never admired the U.S. or something like that. Perhaps he can convince Georgie to move to some Muslim country with him. Hmmm. since C.A.I.R. is comparing deaths, I wonder if they ever mention the millions of innocent people their brethren have murdered, or is that a taboo subject for them? It seems to be a taboo subject for Georgie Boy because the Jews or the U.S. were not involved.
georgephillip
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Let us see how long Hossie can stay on topic...
"CAIR suggested that 'the statements and agendas of our detractors will show that they represent the extremes in our society.'[113] CAIR also stated on its website[113] that in 2004 an FBI agent said 'false claims originate from one or two biased sources,' and that a senior FBI official said CAIR would just have to live with them.
"In early 2007, the New York Times wrote that 'more than one [U.S. government official] described the standards used by critics to link CAIR to terrorism as akin to McCarthyism, essentially guilt by association.'[106]
"At that time (prior to the Holy Land trial), the Times called efforts to link the organization to Hamas and Hezbollah 'unsuccessful,' citing a retired FBI official who was active through 2005 and who suggested that while 'of all the groups, there is probably more suspicion about CAIR', you don't get 'cold hard facts'[106][context needed] although the article goes on to cite the suspicious background of some of CAIR's donors as a source of contention within members of the organization itself.[106]
"The Times also noted that even though a handful of its former members had faced prosecution, no criminal charges had at the time ever been linked to CAIR..."
Council on American?Islamic Relations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"CAIR suggested that 'the statements and agendas of our detractors will show that they represent the extremes in our society.'[113] CAIR also stated on its website[113] that in 2004 an FBI agent said 'false claims originate from one or two biased sources,' and that a senior FBI official said CAIR would just have to live with them.
"In early 2007, the New York Times wrote that 'more than one [U.S. government official] described the standards used by critics to link CAIR to terrorism as akin to McCarthyism, essentially guilt by association.'[106]
"At that time (prior to the Holy Land trial), the Times called efforts to link the organization to Hamas and Hezbollah 'unsuccessful,' citing a retired FBI official who was active through 2005 and who suggested that while 'of all the groups, there is probably more suspicion about CAIR', you don't get 'cold hard facts'[106][context needed] although the article goes on to cite the suspicious background of some of CAIR's donors as a source of contention within members of the organization itself.[106]
"The Times also noted that even though a handful of its former members had faced prosecution, no criminal charges had at the time ever been linked to CAIR..."
Council on American?Islamic Relations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
P F Tinmore
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Zero posts.
georgephillip
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"CAIR condemned the September 11 attacks in 2001 'within hours of the first plane crashing into the World Trade Center', which it considers to be consistent with its general approach to terrorism.[33] CAIR published a paid advertisement in the Washington Post condemning 9/11 and terrorism in general.[14]
CAIR increased its advocacy work again after the September 11 attacks.
"In October 2001 CAIR stated that it was opposed to the US's Afghan campaign.[34]
"By January 2002, four months after the attacks, the CAIR said that it had received 1,658 reports of discrimination, profiling, harassment, and physical assaults against persons appearing Arab or Muslim, a three-fold increase over the prior year.
"The reports included beatings, death threats, abusive police practices, and employment and airline-related discrimination."[35]
"In its 2002 civil rights report, CAIR concluded that 'the status of Muslim civil rights has deteriorated sharply', and complained that 'the sweeping actions of the government have disturbed the lives of individuals and ethnic and religious communities.'[36]
"The largest percentage of complaints had to do with alleged profiling of Muslims at US airports."
'Think Hossie has a part time job at his local airport when he's not scouring his hate sites?
Council on American?Islamic Relations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
CAIR increased its advocacy work again after the September 11 attacks.
"In October 2001 CAIR stated that it was opposed to the US's Afghan campaign.[34]
"By January 2002, four months after the attacks, the CAIR said that it had received 1,658 reports of discrimination, profiling, harassment, and physical assaults against persons appearing Arab or Muslim, a three-fold increase over the prior year.
"The reports included beatings, death threats, abusive police practices, and employment and airline-related discrimination."[35]
"In its 2002 civil rights report, CAIR concluded that 'the status of Muslim civil rights has deteriorated sharply', and complained that 'the sweeping actions of the government have disturbed the lives of individuals and ethnic and religious communities.'[36]
"The largest percentage of complaints had to do with alleged profiling of Muslims at US airports."
'Think Hossie has a part time job at his local airport when he's not scouring his hate sites?
Council on American?Islamic Relations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Hossfly
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I wonder if Georgie Boy has become a member of C.A.I.R. yet as a supporting member even though he is not a Muslim because it would show his solidarity with other Jew and anti-American haters.. I wouldn't be surprised if Tinnie has been a member of this organization for quite a while. Meanwhile...........
Ahmed Bedier?s al-Qaeda Family Stain Removal | FrontPage Magazine
Hossfly
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Yeah, Georgie Boy, those leaders of C.A.I.R. are such truthful people!!!! They should be happy to be living here in America where Muslims in general go about their business with nobody bothering them. I I would think you would be more interest in incidentss against the Black people since the most incidents of hate crimes are against Jews and Blacks. Why, Gerogie Boy, it is quite evident that you are hoping to get more than a part-time job from some Muslim propaganda outfit to supplement your meager income. Just be sure to hide it so that your subsidized apartment wouldn't be taken away from you. Hey, by the way, is C.A.I.R. complaining about what also happens to elderly people at airports. You don't think they would pat you down, make you take off your shoes, and also given that you seem to stick up for radicals on these forums that they wouldn't put you on some Homeland Security list. Tell you what, Georgie Boy. Why don't you give us the number of hate crimes committed in Southern California against the Jews, the Blacks and the Muslims.
georgephillip
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"From 2002–2004 CAIR organized the Library Project, an effort to "put quality materials about Islam in all 17,000 public libraries in the United States." [38] The initiative sent a set of 18 books and tapes to public libraries written by Muslim and non-Muslim authors on Islamic history and practices, as well as an English translation of the Quran.[39] As of December 2004, CAIR received 7804 sponsorships for the $150 set.[40]
"The initiative was funded with an initial $500,000 matching contribution from Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal bin Abdul Aziz Al Saud, whose donation to the Twin Towers Fund was refused by then-Mayor Rudy Giuliani because it came with a letter attributing US support for Israel for the 9/11 attacks."
Council on American?Islamic Relations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"The initiative was funded with an initial $500,000 matching contribution from Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal bin Abdul Aziz Al Saud, whose donation to the Twin Towers Fund was refused by then-Mayor Rudy Giuliani because it came with a letter attributing US support for Israel for the 9/11 attacks."
Council on American?Islamic Relations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Hossfly
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Yes, Georgie Boy, these people at C.A.I.R. are such wonderful folks. No doubt you will become a member soon and join up with these great persons. I don't know if you would have to convert to become a member or if they also take dhimmis who hate the Jews as much as they do. By the way, if Rudy Giuliani were running today, he would probably win in a landslide.
Former CAIR Official Bassem Khafagy: ?I Never Loved the US, the Infidel Country?.. ?Moderate Islam? Is A Violation Of Islam? |
georgephillip
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"I wrote in my article that the US constitutes a criminal element in this world.
"All my writings in recent years explain the unacceptable Western subjugation enterprise. I discussed the RAND report, which was read by most of the Muslim worldÂ’s elite. I was the first to write about this report and the first to translate it into Arabic.
"I was the first to expose the notion of 'moderate Islam,' which is used as a means to canonize a 'non-Islamic Islam.' I donÂ’t know why they call it 'moderation.' This 'moderation' means violation [of the 'laws] of Islam."
US Christian elites are no less criminal than the political whore you're quoting, AND the US has the ability to project its criminality half way around the globe. Clean your own religious house first, Hossie.
Former CAIR Official Bassem Khafagy: ?I Never Loved the US, the Infidel Country?.. ?Moderate Islam? Is A Violation Of Islam? |
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