Zelenskyy KILLS Trump’s Plan AND STRIKES BACK

[Mac-7]

Not without the USA's help. And Trump is no help.

So much for "Russia wouldn't be doing this is Trump were POTUS".

You know what? **** Ukraine. If Europe isn't willing or able to step up and help more why should we?

You can count the number of American men on one hand who are willing to die for Ukraine

Btw: Trump has ZERO responsibility for starting this war

He’s doing the best he can in a bad situation

 

[PeterPilot]

You can count the number of American men on one hand who are willing to die for Ukraine

Btw: Trump has ZERO responsibility for starting this war

He’s doing the best he can in a bad situation

He could do the right thing, but he's not brave like JFK. Donald is a coward, and like most cowards he engages in lip service. Some buy into it, some don't.

He has the power to end US involvement, but doesn't have the courage to do it.

 

[sealybobo]

However long it is, it won't be enough for the warmongers.

Are you assuming Team Trump is going to fail?

US envoy Witkoff and Kushner arrive in Moscow to meet Putin on ending war in Ukraine​

Trump has said he wants to end Europe's deadliest conflict since World War Two but his efforts so far, including a summit with Putin in Alaska in August and meetings with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy, have not yet brought peace.

A leaked set of 28 U.S. draft peace proposals, opens new tab emerged last week, worrying Ukrainian and European officials who said it bowed to Moscow's main demands on NATO, Moscow's control of a fifth of Ukraine and restrictions on Ukraine's army.
European powers then gave their counter-proposal for peace and at talks in Geneva, the United States and Ukraine said they had created an "updated and refined peace framework" to end the war.
"Ukraine approaches all diplomatic efforts with utmost seriousness – we are committed to achieving a real peace and guaranteed security," Zelenskiy wrote on X on Tuesday. "This is exactly the level of commitment that must be compelled from the Russian side."

Since the U.S. draft proposals emerged late last month, European powers have been trying to bolster Ukraine against what they see as a punitive pro-Russian peace that could open up Russia to U.S. investment in oil, gas and rare earths and return Moscow to the G8.
Key Russian demands include a pledge that Ukraine would never join NATO, caps on the Ukrainian army, Russian control of the whole of Donbas, recognition of Russian control of the regions of Crimea, Donbas, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson, and protection for Russian speakers and Russian Orthodox believers in Ukraine.
Ukraine says those would amount to capitulation, and leave it prone to eventual conquest by Russia, though the United States has also floated a 10-year security guarantee for Kyiv.
Witkoff, Kushner, and Secretary of State Marco Rubio met Rustem Umerov, the secretary of Ukraine's national security council, for talks on Sunday at Witkoff's Shell Bay club near Miami. Putin's investment envoy Kirill Dmitriev will meet Witkoff while he is in Moscow, Russian sources said.
Ukraine and European powers depict the war as an imperial-style land grab by Moscow, and have warned that if Russia wins the war then it will one day attack NATO members. Zelenskiy says Russia must not be rewarded for a war it started.
Russia has denied any plans to attack NATO, as it denied any plan to attack Ukraine before its full-scale invasion.

 

[Mac-7]

However long it is, it won't be enough for the warmongers.

This is a little like Z-Man betting his entire bankroll on the next card

Because it could get much worse for Ukraine if morale crumbles overnight

 

[Mac-7]

He could do the right thing, but he's not brave like JFK. Donald is a coward, and like most cowards he engages in lip service. Some buy into it, some don't.

He has the power to end US involvement, but doesn't have the courage to do it.

Do you mean abandon Ukraine?

I hope that does not happen

 

[PeterPilot]

Do you mean abandon Ukraine?

I hope that does not happen

Yes, I guess that's what it would take.

Why should US treasure be grifted and laundered through Ukraine? Why should US troops die for Ukraine? Persuade me.

 

[marvin martian]

Are you assuming Team Trump is going to fail?

US envoy Witkoff and Kushner arrive in Moscow to meet Putin on ending war in Ukraine​

Trump has said he wants to end Europe's deadliest conflict since World War Two but his efforts so far, including a summit with Putin in Alaska in August and meetings with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy, have not yet brought peace.

A leaked set of 28 U.S. draft peace proposals, opens new tab emerged last week, worrying Ukrainian and European officials who said it bowed to Moscow's main demands on NATO, Moscow's control of a fifth of Ukraine and restrictions on Ukraine's army.
European powers then gave their counter-proposal for peace and at talks in Geneva, the United States and Ukraine said they had created an "updated and refined peace framework" to end the war.
"Ukraine approaches all diplomatic efforts with utmost seriousness – we are committed to achieving a real peace and guaranteed security," Zelenskiy wrote on X on Tuesday. "This is exactly the level of commitment that must be compelled from the Russian side."

Since the U.S. draft proposals emerged late last month, European powers have been trying to bolster Ukraine against what they see as a punitive pro-Russian peace that could open up Russia to U.S. investment in oil, gas and rare earths and return Moscow to the G8.
Key Russian demands include a pledge that Ukraine would never join NATO, caps on the Ukrainian army, Russian control of the whole of Donbas, recognition of Russian control of the regions of Crimea, Donbas, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson, and protection for Russian speakers and Russian Orthodox believers in Ukraine.
Ukraine says those would amount to capitulation, and leave it prone to eventual conquest by Russia, though the United States has also floated a 10-year security guarantee for Kyiv.
Witkoff, Kushner, and Secretary of State Marco Rubio met Rustem Umerov, the secretary of Ukraine's national security council, for talks on Sunday at Witkoff's Shell Bay club near Miami. Putin's investment envoy Kirill Dmitriev will meet Witkoff while he is in Moscow, Russian sources said.
Ukraine and European powers depict the war as an imperial-style land grab by Moscow, and have warned that if Russia wins the war then it will one day attack NATO members. Zelenskiy says Russia must not be rewarded for a war it started.
Russia has denied any plans to attack NATO, as it denied any plan to attack Ukraine before its full-scale invasion.

President Trump doesn't want to fight to the last Ukrainian man, woman, and child, like you do.

 

[Captain Creeper]

If this is true, then Trump needs to put his foot down like he did with Israel, and remind them who the senior partner in the relationship is.

Maybe the US should attack Ukraine too!

 

[Mac-7]

Are you assuming Team Trump is going to fail?

US envoy Witkoff and Kushner arrive in Moscow to meet Putin on ending war in Ukraine​

Trump has said he wants to end Europe's deadliest conflict since World War Two but his efforts so far, including a summit with Putin in Alaska in August and meetings with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy, have not yet brought peace.

A leaked set of 28 U.S. draft peace proposals, opens new tab emerged last week, worrying Ukrainian and European officials who said it bowed to Moscow's main demands on NATO, Moscow's control of a fifth of Ukraine and restrictions on Ukraine's army.
European powers then gave their counter-proposal for peace and at talks in Geneva, the United States and Ukraine said they had created an "updated and refined peace framework" to end the war.
"Ukraine approaches all diplomatic efforts with utmost seriousness – we are committed to achieving a real peace and guaranteed security," Zelenskiy wrote on X on Tuesday. "This is exactly the level of commitment that must be compelled from the Russian side."

Since the U.S. draft proposals emerged late last month, European powers have been trying to bolster Ukraine against what they see as a punitive pro-Russian peace that could open up Russia to U.S. investment in oil, gas and rare earths and return Moscow to the G8.
Key Russian demands include a pledge that Ukraine would never join NATO, caps on the Ukrainian army, Russian control of the whole of Donbas, recognition of Russian control of the regions of Crimea, Donbas, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson, and protection for Russian speakers and Russian Orthodox believers in Ukraine.
Ukraine says those would amount to capitulation, and leave it prone to eventual conquest by Russia, though the United States has also floated a 10-year security guarantee for Kyiv.
Witkoff, Kushner, and Secretary of State Marco Rubio met Rustem Umerov, the secretary of Ukraine's national security council, for talks on Sunday at Witkoff's Shell Bay club near Miami. Putin's investment envoy Kirill Dmitriev will meet Witkoff while he is in Moscow, Russian sources said.
Ukraine and European powers depict the war as an imperial-style land grab by Moscow, and have warned that if Russia wins the war then it will one day attack NATO members. Zelenskiy says Russia must not be rewarded for a war it started.
Russia has denied any plans to attack NATO, as it denied any plan to attack Ukraine before its full-scale invasion.

There should be no limits on the Ukraine military

While never being part of NATO the euro’s along with America can still guarantee Ukraine independence from russia

We are looking for compromise not absolute victory

 

[CrusaderFrank]

One of my ideas is to legalize cocaine. Who owns Marlboro and Bud Light? Yea, make the cartels reputable business men. I would love good cocaine without fentynol in it.

No need to get rid of drugs. Do all the drugs you want. Just don't drive.

Drugs are bad hmmmmmmmmkay

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You know what? **** Ukraine. If Europe isn't willing or able to step up and help more why should we?

They are. They have given Ukraine more aid than the US has.

So why is the fat rapist cutting them out of the negotiations?

Kind of hard to offer help, when you're being cut out by a useless blob who is just Putin's mouthpiece.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

There should be no limits on the Ukraine military

While never being part of NATO the euro’s along with America can still guarantee Ukraine independence from russia

We ate looking for compromise not absolute victory

Maybe next time, don't push NATO up to Russia's border

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Maybe next time, don't push NATO up to Russia's border

Nobody pushed NATO anywhere. Those countries asked to be in NATO because of Putin the little maniac.

Stop being Putin's little *****, Frank.

 

[TimFitz]

TimFitz , sealybobo, IM2

I dont know how much longer Ukraine men between the ages of 18-60 are willing to die to keep this endless war going

I guess we’ll find out

And for the record I want Ukraine to win

I just dont see any plausible way to avoid losing some territory to russia

If you want Ukrainecto win, why have you trolled for the Russians since 2022?

 

[Mac-7]

Yes, I guess that's what it would take.

Why should US treasure be grifted and laundered through Ukraine? Why should US troops die for Ukraine? Persuade me.

A total victory for russia would encourage Putin to invade other former small soviet countries

 

[Mac-7]

If you want Ukrainecto win, why have you trolled for the Russians since 2022?

I havent

 

[Mac-7]

Maybe next time, don't push NATO up to Russia's border

I wish NATO has admitted Ukraine in the 90’s when they gave up nukes

 

[TimFitz]

Not without the USA's help. And Trump is no help.

So much for "Russia wouldn't be doing this is Trump were POTUS".

You know what? **** Ukraine. If Europe isn't willing or able to step up and help more why should we?

Because Russia conquering Ukraine would be the first step in Putin’s long term goal of rebuilding the Russian/Soviet empire.

You don’t have to take my word for it either. Putin has said this out loud. The idea is regularly promoted by Russian propoganda.

Putin also noted that his next steps are to intimidate the former Warsaw Pact vassel states back under the Russian umbrella.

Russia, right now, is a shadow of its former self. Losing in Ukrainw]e would end its aspirations to remain a significant world power.

Trump and Putin are focused on Russia’s conquest of Ukraine, effectively handing Russia a strategic victory in a new Cold War.

 

[TimFitz]

I havent

You have consistantly pushed the Trump/Putin agenda.

 

[Mac-7]

You have consistantly pushed the Trump/Putin agenda.

You are hopelessly lost somewhere in Lib La La Land

I have never pushed the russian agenda

Thats a lib lie