Zelensky says war will 'end sooner' with Trump as president

[rightwinger]

What are you talking about? Have you no idea what has been happening there?

OK

Go for it
Explain what Ukraine gains and Russia gives in your peace proposal

 

[GLASNOST]

The problem with all “peace” proposals is that Ukraine gives everything and Russia gives nothing.

Russia gains valuable territory
Ukraine is denied NATO membership
Russia pays no price for damages

What are you talking about? Have you no idea what has been happening there?

OK

Go for it
Explain what Ukraine gains and Russia gives in your peace proposal

I am not responsible for your education. I don't like clowns very much but many people do so you just carry on as you were.

 

[Deadstick]

What are you talking about? Have you no idea what has been happening there?

He like so may is either stupid or in denial, i will go with stupid.

 

[rightwinger]

I am not responsible for your education. I don't like clowns very much but many people do so you just carry on as you were.

AsI expected, you have nothing
A pure Putin Flunky

 

[rightwinger]

He like so may is either stupid or in denial, i will go with stupid.

Maybe you can explain what Ukraine gets in your peace proposal

 

[hadit]

So, what happened to ending it in one day?

At a CNN town hall in May 2023, Trump said: “They’re dying, Russians and Ukrainians. I want them to stop dying. And I’ll have that done — I’ll have that done in 24 hours.” He said that would happen after he met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and Russian President Vladimir Putin. And he keeps repeating the claim on the campaign trail.

Keep whining about that after TRUMP! ends the war. We'll for sure give you all kinds of street cred for it.

 

[rightwinger]

Keep whining about that after TRUMP! ends the war. We'll for sure give you all kinds of street cred for it.

Trumps solution is demand Ukraine surrender

 

[JohnDB]

The war may end but Russia will not stand again. It's in very very bad shape economically.

 

[hadit]

Trumps solution is demand Ukraine surrender

More likely he'll get Ukraine and Russia to agree on a few majority Russian districts returning to Russian control and the war ends. No surrender necessary, unless one or the other combatants is truly insane.

 

[rightwinger]

More likely he'll get Ukraine and Russia to agree on a few majority Russian districts returning to Russian control and the war ends. No surrender necessary, unless one or the other combatants is truly insane.

I doubt Putin would agree to just a few districts

 

[hadit]

I doubt Putin would agree to just a few districts

You might be surprised. When did you last talk to him about it?

 

[rightwinger]

You might be surprised. When did you last talk to him about it?

Putin is in a no win situation
He can’t defeat Ukraine and he can’t surrender captured territory after losing hundreds of thousands of casualties

 

[GLASNOST]

Explain what Ukraine gains and Russia gives in your peace proposal

I am not responsible for your education. I don't like clowns very much but many people do so you just carry on as you were.

AsI expected, you have nothing
A pure Putin Flunky

If you lose a bet your money is gone. You don't get it back. And if you want to play again and lose once more, you don't get that back either. Do you want to play another hand, Zoolinsky poopie, or would you rather quit now and count your losses?

 

[hadit]

Putin is in a no win situation
He can’t defeat Ukraine and he can’t surrender captured territory after losing hundreds of thousands of casualties

Exactly, so the win for everybody is to give Putin the Russian majority territories that probably want to be Russian again anyway. He calls it a win, saying that's what he wanted in the first place while Z gets to say he held off the Russian bear and he still has a country to rebuild and run with the help of American dollars. TRUMP! gets another diplomatic win, that QPJ was incapable of delivering, so everybody wins.

 

[rightwinger]

If you lose a bet your money is gone. You don't get it back. And if you want to play again and lose once more, you don't get that back either. Do you want to play another hand, Zoolinsky poopie, or would you rather quit now and count your losses?

Putin bet that he could conquer Ukraine in a matter of days and nobody would do anything about it

He lost Bigly

 

[GLASNOST]

Putin bet that he could conquer Ukraine in a matter of days and nobody would do anything about it

He lost Bigly

You poor idiot.

 

[rightwinger]

Exactly, so the win for everybody is to give Putin the Russian majority territories that probably want to be Russian again anyway. He calls it a win, saying that's what he wanted in the first place while Z gets to say he held off the Russian bear and he still has a country to rebuild and run with the help of American dollars. TRUMP! gets another diplomatic win, that QPJ was incapable of delivering, so everybody wins.

Giving Putin everything he wants while giving Ukraine nothing is hardly a win.

What does Ukraine gain for agreeing to stop killing tens of thousands of Russians ?

 

[AntonToo]

Whats missing from your post is millions of people who on paper WERE Ukrainian citizens in the main in Donbass didn't want anything to do with a Regime that was killing them

Thats a bunch of silly Russian propaganda. There is a very specific, fundamental reason for the conflict - RUSSIAN INVASION and manufacturing of separatism in Ukraine.

Saying that people were getting killed, without mentioning the ROOT CAUSE of Russia's lawless, imperialist campaign to subjugate Ukraine is stupidity itself.

Russia's Igor Strelkov: I Am Responsible for War in Eastern Ukraine

Russian national Igor Strelkov, a former commander of pro-Moscow separatists in eastern Ukraine, has claimed personal responsibility for unleashing the conflict in which 4,300 people have been killed since April.

www.themoscowtimes.com

 

[AntonToo]

No worries, Antoshka, I didn't expect you to admit something, somewhat step back and view from a different angle. You definitely don't have the nerve.

Don't like the figures? Simple. Put some 'probably', a bit of wishful-thinking - and voilà. Denying reality doesn't change the reality. The Ukrainians want this war to be stopped, as soon as possible (even that fact you tried to deny in the past). And your wishful-thinking changes nothing.

Thats not a constructive response to what you were explained.

So lets try again: Just because Ukrainians want some sort of negotiations doesn't mean that they actually support concessions Putin is demanding to end the war.

It's a simple concept and it's not clear why you are avoiding directly commenting on it.

 

[ESay]

Thats not a constructive response to what you were explained.

So lets try again: Just because Ukrainians want some sort of negotiations doesn't mean that they actually support concessions Putin is demanding to end the war.

It's a simple concept and it's not clear why you are avoiding directly commenting on it.

The poll says that the same 52% agree to 'some' territorial concessions. Yeah, the main question is what the 'some' means. And maybe I have to agree, for now, that for this majority 'some' means 'at the current frontline' or even less.

But a trend, my friend. A year ago, there were the opposite numbers in the polls. There were even fewer numbers when 'territories' were mentioned. Putin raised his demands, now he wants more than 'the reality on the ground'. Will the Ukrainians support this? Don't know. But one more year in the way this ******* war is conducted, I wouldn't be surprised if they will.