Zbigniew Brzezinski, National Security Adviser to Jimmy Carter, Dies at 89

[Tehon]

To start with the Russians were goaded into Afghanistan. The US began supporting Islamic extremists before the invasion. This prompted the Russians to respond.

GOADED???? how was dey GOADED?. When did the US BEGIN to support Islamic extremists?

Yeah goaded. The US began supporting Islamic extremists at least six months prior to Russia sending in the Army to prop up the PDPA.

You don't see the similarities with the current conflict in Syria?

of course there are similarities-------you just have the time-line off. Russia intervened in Afghanistan LONG
before the USA did. In fact Russia allied with BAATHIST Syria long before Syria became a household
word in the USA-------same is true of YEMEN -----it had a Baathist (aka Russia friendly) movement way
back in the 1950s When you think BAATHIST always think RUSSOPHIL

So the US is allowed to have allies, but not the Russians?

Russians support the destruction of the USA----as do their allies. Iran is now a Russian ally------
it started screaming DEATH TO AMERICA. Same is true of Syria. -------even yemen was
hostile to the USA way back in the time it began civil war --------and Baathists were murdering
other Yemenis with NITROGEN MUSTARD GAS------nice people you support (way back in
the 1950s------in the dark ages when Yemen could have been THE MOON as far as americans were
concerned)

Russians support the destruction of the USA----as do their allies.

I don't really see that as being the case. I see them as acting in their interests to counter a hegemon.

 

[irosie91]

GOADED???? how was dey GOADED?. When did the US BEGIN to support Islamic extremists?

Yeah goaded. The US began supporting Islamic extremists at least six months prior to Russia sending in the Army to prop up the PDPA.

You don't see the similarities with the current conflict in Syria?

of course there are similarities-------you just have the time-line off. Russia intervened in Afghanistan LONG
before the USA did. In fact Russia allied with BAATHIST Syria long before Syria became a household
word in the USA-------same is true of YEMEN -----it had a Baathist (aka Russia friendly) movement way
back in the 1950s When you think BAATHIST always think RUSSOPHIL

So the US is allowed to have allies, but not the Russians?

Russians support the destruction of the USA----as do their allies. Iran is now a Russian ally------
it started screaming DEATH TO AMERICA. Same is true of Syria. -------even yemen was
hostile to the USA way back in the time it began civil war --------and Baathists were murdering
other Yemenis with NITROGEN MUSTARD GAS------nice people you support (way back in
the 1950s------in the dark ages when Yemen could have been THE MOON as far as americans were
concerned)

Russians support the destruction of the USA----as do their allies.

I don't really see that as being the case. I see them as acting in their interests to counter a hegemon.

also true-----the USA acts in its interests to counter a hegemon

 

[Tehon]

Yeah goaded. The US began supporting Islamic extremists at least six months prior to Russia sending in the Army to prop up the PDPA.

You don't see the similarities with the current conflict in Syria?

of course there are similarities-------you just have the time-line off. Russia intervened in Afghanistan LONG
before the USA did. In fact Russia allied with BAATHIST Syria long before Syria became a household
word in the USA-------same is true of YEMEN -----it had a Baathist (aka Russia friendly) movement way
back in the 1950s When you think BAATHIST always think RUSSOPHIL

So the US is allowed to have allies, but not the Russians?

Russians support the destruction of the USA----as do their allies. Iran is now a Russian ally------
it started screaming DEATH TO AMERICA. Same is true of Syria. -------even yemen was
hostile to the USA way back in the time it began civil war --------and Baathists were murdering
other Yemenis with NITROGEN MUSTARD GAS------nice people you support (way back in
the 1950s------in the dark ages when Yemen could have been THE MOON as far as americans were
concerned)

Russians support the destruction of the USA----as do their allies.

I don't really see that as being the case. I see them as acting in their interests to counter a hegemon.

also true-----the USA acts in its interests to counter a hegemon

Russia is clearly not the hegemon.

 

[irosie91]

of course there are similarities-------you just have the time-line off. Russia intervened in Afghanistan LONG
before the USA did. In fact Russia allied with BAATHIST Syria long before Syria became a household
word in the USA-------same is true of YEMEN -----it had a Baathist (aka Russia friendly) movement way
back in the 1950s When you think BAATHIST always think RUSSOPHIL

So the US is allowed to have allies, but not the Russians?

Russians support the destruction of the USA----as do their allies. Iran is now a Russian ally------
it started screaming DEATH TO AMERICA. Same is true of Syria. -------even yemen was
hostile to the USA way back in the time it began civil war --------and Baathists were murdering
other Yemenis with NITROGEN MUSTARD GAS------nice people you support (way back in
the 1950s------in the dark ages when Yemen could have been THE MOON as far as americans were
concerned)

Russians support the destruction of the USA----as do their allies.

I don't really see that as being the case. I see them as acting in their interests to counter a hegemon.

also true-----the USA acts in its interests to counter a hegemon

Russia is clearly not the hegemon.

YOU are, clearly, quite a JOKE

 

[Tehon]

So the US is allowed to have allies, but not the Russians?

Russians support the destruction of the USA----as do their allies. Iran is now a Russian ally------
it started screaming DEATH TO AMERICA. Same is true of Syria. -------even yemen was
hostile to the USA way back in the time it began civil war --------and Baathists were murdering
other Yemenis with NITROGEN MUSTARD GAS------nice people you support (way back in
the 1950s------in the dark ages when Yemen could have been THE MOON as far as americans were
concerned)

Russians support the destruction of the USA----as do their allies.

I don't really see that as being the case. I see them as acting in their interests to counter a hegemon.

also true-----the USA acts in its interests to counter a hegemon

Russia is clearly not the hegemon.

YOU are, clearly, quite a JOKE

Which immoral country would do such a thing as giving school children books that were designed to radicalize them. The US or Russia?

From U.S., the ABC's of Jihad

 

[irosie91]

GOADED???? how was dey GOADED?. When did the US BEGIN to support Islamic extremists?

Yeah goaded. The US began supporting Islamic extremists at least six months prior to Russia sending in the Army to prop up the PDPA.

You don't see the similarities with the current conflict in Syria?

of course there are similarities-------you just have the time-line off. Russia intervened in Afghanistan LONG
before the USA did. In fact Russia allied with BAATHIST Syria long before Syria became a household
word in the USA-------same is true of YEMEN -----it had a Baathist (aka Russia friendly) movement way
back in the 1950s When you think BAATHIST always think RUSSOPHIL

So the US is allowed to have allies, but not the Russians?

Russians support the destruction of the USA----as do their allies. Iran is now a Russian ally------
it started screaming DEATH TO AMERICA. Same is true of Syria. -------even yemen was
hostile to the USA way back in the time it began civil war --------and Baathists were murdering
other Yemenis with NITROGEN MUSTARD GAS------nice people you support (way back in
the 1950s------in the dark ages when Yemen could have been THE MOON as far as americans were
concerned)

When you think Ba'ath Party you should be thinking........does not recognize borders--especially borders imposed on them. They wanted unity and nationalism.

national socialism of the FASCIST NAZI TYPE. It is an ARAB UBER ALLES movement in the same
way that your hero adolf did DEUTSCHLAND UBER ALLES

 

[Disir]

Yeah goaded. The US began supporting Islamic extremists at least six months prior to Russia sending in the Army to prop up the PDPA.

You don't see the similarities with the current conflict in Syria?

of course there are similarities-------you just have the time-line off. Russia intervened in Afghanistan LONG
before the USA did. In fact Russia allied with BAATHIST Syria long before Syria became a household
word in the USA-------same is true of YEMEN -----it had a Baathist (aka Russia friendly) movement way
back in the 1950s When you think BAATHIST always think RUSSOPHIL

So the US is allowed to have allies, but not the Russians?

Russians support the destruction of the USA----as do their allies. Iran is now a Russian ally------
it started screaming DEATH TO AMERICA. Same is true of Syria. -------even yemen was
hostile to the USA way back in the time it began civil war --------and Baathists were murdering
other Yemenis with NITROGEN MUSTARD GAS------nice people you support (way back in
the 1950s------in the dark ages when Yemen could have been THE MOON as far as americans were
concerned)

When you think Ba'ath Party you should be thinking........does not recognize borders--especially borders imposed on them. They wanted unity and nationalism.

national socialism of the FASCIST NAZI TYPE. It is an ARAB UBER ALLES movement in the same
way that your hero adolf did DEUTSCHLAND UBER ALLES

Try again and this time don't act like an over-emotional nitwit.

 

[irosie91]

Russians support the destruction of the USA----as do their allies. Iran is now a Russian ally------
it started screaming DEATH TO AMERICA. Same is true of Syria. -------even yemen was
hostile to the USA way back in the time it began civil war --------and Baathists were murdering
other Yemenis with NITROGEN MUSTARD GAS------nice people you support (way back in
the 1950s------in the dark ages when Yemen could have been THE MOON as far as americans were
concerned)

Russians support the destruction of the USA----as do their allies.

I don't really see that as being the case. I see them as acting in their interests to counter a hegemon.

also true-----the USA acts in its interests to counter a hegemon

Russia is clearly not the hegemon.

YOU are, clearly, quite a JOKE

Which immoral country would do such a thing as giving school children books that were designed to radicalize them. The US or Russia?

From U.S., the ABC's of Jihad

pay attention>>>> AID officials said in interviews that they left the Islamic materials intact because they feared Afghan educators would reject books lacking a strong dose of Muslim thought. The agency removed its logo and any mention of the U.S. government from the religious texts, AID spokeswoman Kathryn Stratos said.


see???----the USA did not create the books-----the creators of the books simply USED USA MONEY

 

[Roudy]

al qaeida is the filth of sunni islam , Hezbollah is the filth of Shiite islam and Baathism is the filth
of fascist "arab uber alles" None of them are NEW

Had there been no "Islamic Shiite Republic of Iran" thanks to Carter and Brezinski there wouldn't be the rise of Sunni Islamists like Al Queda and ISIS to stop the Shiites.

 

[Roudy]

Italians and Poles have the worst reputation for war.

This is why Italians and Poles make terrible cabinet level advisors.

None of them has any balls.

Don't forget the French.

 

[Roudy]

I did not know-----so I asked. IT IS a very important issue. I believe that the USA support of the
Mujahadeen CREATED a huge problem for the USA in Afghanistan----ON THE OTHER HAND----
the Russian endeavor was clear AGGRESSIVE imperialism------a problem that even BRILLIANT
ME-----did not appreciate at that time. I am STILL equivocal. On one issue I am not equivocal-----
we should have put a bullet in the head of Osama way back in the 1980s------and a bullet in the
head of Saddam----circa 1970. (ok ---two issues) ------and another one----A bullet in the head of
HAFEZ ASSAD----circa 1970. We need to put some war ships in the red sea and Mediterranean---
near the ports of Yemen and make some kind of DEFENSE agreement with Saudi Arabia so they will
stop their sloppy bombing of Yemen------if possible. Iranian ships approaching Yemen should be
TORPEDOED

Understanding what the US did in Afghanistan is very instructive watching current events play out. Manchester bombing included. I don't think there is a strong enough word for what I feel about it.

try Tehon I agree with your statement that the US actions in Afghanistan in support of the
Mujihadeen WAS VERY important relative to the dilemmas of today--------and would appreciate
your thoughts on the matter

To start with the Russians were goaded into Afghanistan. The US began supporting Islamic extremists before the invasion. This prompted the Russians to respond.

GOADED???? how was dey GOADED?. When did the US BEGIN to support Islamic extremists?

Yeah goaded. The US began supporting Islamic extremists at least six months prior to Russia sending in the Army to prop up the PDPA.

You don't see the similarities with the current conflict in Syria?

Bzzzzzt wrong. Russia saw a weak "Paper Tiger" leader in president Carter, and they predicted Carter wasn't going to do jack shit should they invade Afghnistan. They were right. Does that remind of a recent president?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

of course there are similarities-------you just have the time-line off. Russia intervened in Afghanistan LONG
before the USA did. In fact Russia allied with BAATHIST Syria long before Syria became a household
word in the USA-------same is true of YEMEN -----it had a Baathist (aka Russia friendly) movement way
back in the 1950s When you think BAATHIST always think RUSSOPHIL

So the US is allowed to have allies, but not the Russians?

Russians support the destruction of the USA----as do their allies. Iran is now a Russian ally------
it started screaming DEATH TO AMERICA. Same is true of Syria. -------even yemen was
hostile to the USA way back in the time it began civil war --------and Baathists were murdering
other Yemenis with NITROGEN MUSTARD GAS------nice people you support (way back in
the 1950s------in the dark ages when Yemen could have been THE MOON as far as americans were
concerned)

Russians support the destruction of the USA----as do their allies.

I don't really see that as being the case. I see them as acting in their interests to counter a hegemon.

also true-----the USA acts in its interests to counter a hegemon

Russia is clearly not the hegemon.

You are confusing liberals. They think that is some type of Pokemon character.

 

[yiostheoy]

Zbig is another one of those people who would have been better for the world if he had never been born.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Italians and Poles have the worst reputation for war.

This is why Italians and Poles make terrible cabinet level advisors.

None of them has any balls.

LMFAO, you clearly know very little about Polish history.

Actually, I don't think that anyone in history has beat more significantly larger armies than the Poles.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

al qaeida is the filth of sunni islam , Hezbollah is the filth of Shiite islam and Baathism is the filth
of fascist "arab uber alles" None of them are NEW

Had there been no "Islamic Shiite Republic of Iran" thanks to Carter and Brezinski there wouldn't be the rise of Sunni Islamists like Al Queda and ISIS to stop the Shiites.

Zbigniew Brzezinski engineered the most effective war in 20th century U.S history, the tricking of Soviets into invading Afghanistan, which lead to the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Unlike the U.S war against the Nazis which killed many thousands of Americans, the war Zbigniew Brzezinski engineered cost the U.S.A next to nothing.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Zbigniew Brzezinski, the hawkish strategic theorist who was national security adviser to President Jimmy Carter in the tumultuous years of the Iran hostage crisis and the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in the late 1970s, died on Friday at a hospital in Virginia. He was 89.

His death, at Inova Fairfax Hospital in Falls Church, was announced on Friday by his daughter, Mika Brzezinski, a co-host of the MSNBC program “Morning Joe.”

Like his predecessor Henry A. Kissinger, Mr. Brzezinski was a foreign-born scholar (he in Poland, Mr. Kissinger in Germany) with considerable influence in global affairs, both before and long after his official tour of duty in the White House. In essays, interviews and television appearances over the decades, he cast a sharp eye on six successive administrations, including that of Donald J. Trump, whose election he did not support and whose foreign policy, he found, lacked coherence.

Mr. Brzezinski was nominally a Democrat, with views that led him to speak out, for example, against the “greed,” as he put it, of an American system that compounded inequality. He was one of the few foreign policy experts to warn against the invasion of Iraq in 2003.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/26/...dead-national-security-adviser-to-carter.html

Yep. Unfortunately the Arc of Crisis continues.

Polish huh?

This explains why Carter ran like a scared rabbit from the hostage taking Iranians.

Poles clearly have one of the most fearless, and accomplished military track records in Europe's history.

What was he supposed to do go to war with Iran, and create another Vietnam War?

Some Americans are so violent, and stupid.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Italians and Poles have the worst reputation for war.

This is why Italians and Poles make terrible cabinet level advisors.

None of them has any balls.

Don't forget the French.

French were great warriors during Napoleon.

Why pick on the French?

Without France there would be no U.S.A, nor a statue of Liberty.

I usually hear this crap from White trash America, but you're a Jew.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Not a bad guy. Much better than his Milfy but Pollyannish daughter.

If you marry a Pole-Lock girlie then your children's birth certificates cannot say "son/daughter of Mr. & Mrs." they have to say "We The People" in stead. That way all of the people get credit.

Zbigniew Brzezinski married a Czech lady related to Czech politician Edvard Benes... Mika's half Czech.

At least Poles fought the Nazis, unlike Czechs.

Why not pick on Czechs instead?

 

[dani67]

Italians and Poles have the worst reputation for war.

This is why Italians and Poles make terrible cabinet level advisors.

None of them has any balls.

mafia????//

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Italians and Poles have the worst reputation for war.

This is why Italians and Poles make terrible cabinet level advisors.

None of them has any balls.

Don't forget the French.

I'm quite certain the Irish have the worst military history in Europe's history, and yet no one seems to be aware of this, how come no one ever brings up how the Irish were protected on an island, but kept getting conquered 1 vs 1 by Vikings, Normans, and the English?

It seems the Irish are pretty well protected in the U.S.A, because they have strength by numbers.... They can be the least military accomplished in Europe, one of the least intellectually accomplished of European peoples, and Europe's biggest homegrown terrorists the IRA.... Yet... People don't pick on the Irish in the U.S.A like they do Poles, French, or Italians.