Zbigniew Brzezinski, National Security Adviser to Jimmy Carter, Dies at 89

[irosie91]

Interesting how some news sources leave out his advisory and aid role in Hillary's campaign or that he is the inspiration and motivation for his daughter Mika's obnoxious insulting our intelligence leftist propaganda campaign.

Expect nothing less from the NYT.

I missed obnoxious MIKA What did the putative bitch DO?

 

[Tehon]

It seems to me, Tehon dear------that everyone knows about the USA idiot carter support of
the Pakistani mujihadeen and ----those Pakistanis that morphed into the TALIBAN ----so?
What is your take on that fact. Has anyone DENIED USA support of the afghani/Taliban
struggle against Russia? Or are you just reminding us?

It's a memorial thread. What do you think my intentions are?

I did not know-----so I asked. IT IS a very important issue. I believe that the USA support of the
Mujahadeen CREATED a huge problem for the USA in Afghanistan----ON THE OTHER HAND----
the Russian endeavor was clear AGGRESSIVE imperialism------a problem that even BRILLIANT
ME-----did not appreciate at that time. I am STILL equivocal. On one issue I am not equivocal-----
we should have put a bullet in the head of Osama way back in the 1980s------and a bullet in the
head of Saddam----circa 1970. (ok ---two issues) ------and another one----A bullet in the head of
HAFEZ ASSAD----circa 1970. We need to put some war ships in the red sea and Mediterranean---
near the ports of Yemen and make some kind of DEFENSE agreement with Saudi Arabia so they will
stop their sloppy bombing of Yemen------if possible. Iranian ships approaching Yemen should be
TORPEDOED

Understanding what the US did in Afghanistan is very instructive watching current events play out. Manchester bombing included. I don't think there is a strong enough word for what I feel about it.

 

[irosie91]

It seems to me, Tehon dear------that everyone knows about the USA idiot carter support of
the Pakistani mujihadeen and ----those Pakistanis that morphed into the TALIBAN ----so?
What is your take on that fact. Has anyone DENIED USA support of the afghani/Taliban
struggle against Russia? Or are you just reminding us?

It's a memorial thread. What do you think my intentions are?

I did not know-----so I asked. IT IS a very important issue. I believe that the USA support of the
Mujahadeen CREATED a huge problem for the USA in Afghanistan----ON THE OTHER HAND----
the Russian endeavor was clear AGGRESSIVE imperialism------a problem that even BRILLIANT
ME-----did not appreciate at that time. I am STILL equivocal. On one issue I am not equivocal-----
we should have put a bullet in the head of Osama way back in the 1980s------and a bullet in the
head of Saddam----circa 1970. (ok ---two issues) ------and another one----A bullet in the head of
HAFEZ ASSAD----circa 1970. We need to put some war ships in the red sea and Mediterranean---
near the ports of Yemen and make some kind of DEFENSE agreement with Saudi Arabia so they will
stop their sloppy bombing of Yemen------if possible. Iranian ships approaching Yemen should be
TORPEDOED

Understanding what the US did in Afghanistan is very instructive watching current events play out. Manchester bombing included. I don't think there is a strong enough word for what I feel about it.

try Tehon I agree with your statement that the US actions in Afghanistan in support of the
Mujihadeen WAS VERY important relative to the dilemmas of today--------and would appreciate
your thoughts on the matter

 

[Disir]

Exactly, Tehon.

 

[irosie91]

Exactly, Tehon.

oh YOU TOO. ok ----lets discuss USA error in the 1980s ----please

 

[Tehon]

It seems to me, Tehon dear------that everyone knows about the USA idiot carter support of
the Pakistani mujihadeen and ----those Pakistanis that morphed into the TALIBAN ----so?
What is your take on that fact. Has anyone DENIED USA support of the afghani/Taliban
struggle against Russia? Or are you just reminding us?

It's a memorial thread. What do you think my intentions are?

I did not know-----so I asked. IT IS a very important issue. I believe that the USA support of the
Mujahadeen CREATED a huge problem for the USA in Afghanistan----ON THE OTHER HAND----
the Russian endeavor was clear AGGRESSIVE imperialism------a problem that even BRILLIANT
ME-----did not appreciate at that time. I am STILL equivocal. On one issue I am not equivocal-----
we should have put a bullet in the head of Osama way back in the 1980s------and a bullet in the
head of Saddam----circa 1970. (ok ---two issues) ------and another one----A bullet in the head of
HAFEZ ASSAD----circa 1970. We need to put some war ships in the red sea and Mediterranean---
near the ports of Yemen and make some kind of DEFENSE agreement with Saudi Arabia so they will
stop their sloppy bombing of Yemen------if possible. Iranian ships approaching Yemen should be
TORPEDOED

Understanding what the US did in Afghanistan is very instructive watching current events play out. Manchester bombing included. I don't think there is a strong enough word for what I feel about it.

try Tehon I agree with your statement that the US actions in Afghanistan in support of the
Mujihadeen WAS VERY important relative to the dilemmas of today--------and would appreciate
your thoughts on the matter

To start with the Russians were goaded into Afghanistan. The US began supporting Islamic extremists before the invasion. This prompted the Russians to respond.

 

[irosie91]

It seems to me, Tehon dear------that everyone knows about the USA idiot carter support of
the Pakistani mujihadeen and ----those Pakistanis that morphed into the TALIBAN ----so?
What is your take on that fact. Has anyone DENIED USA support of the afghani/Taliban
struggle against Russia? Or are you just reminding us?

It's a memorial thread. What do you think my intentions are?

I did not know-----so I asked. IT IS a very important issue. I believe that the USA support of the
Mujahadeen CREATED a huge problem for the USA in Afghanistan----ON THE OTHER HAND----
the Russian endeavor was clear AGGRESSIVE imperialism------a problem that even BRILLIANT
ME-----did not appreciate at that time. I am STILL equivocal. On one issue I am not equivocal-----
we should have put a bullet in the head of Osama way back in the 1980s------and a bullet in the
head of Saddam----circa 1970. (ok ---two issues) ------and another one----A bullet in the head of
HAFEZ ASSAD----circa 1970. We need to put some war ships in the red sea and Mediterranean---
near the ports of Yemen and make some kind of DEFENSE agreement with Saudi Arabia so they will
stop their sloppy bombing of Yemen------if possible. Iranian ships approaching Yemen should be
TORPEDOED

Understanding what the US did in Afghanistan is very instructive watching current events play out. Manchester bombing included. I don't think there is a strong enough word for what I feel about it.

try Tehon I agree with your statement that the US actions in Afghanistan in support of the
Mujihadeen WAS VERY important relative to the dilemmas of today--------and would appreciate
your thoughts on the matter

To start with the Russians were goaded into Afghanistan. The US began supporting Islamic extremists before the invasion. This prompted the Russians to respond.

GOADED???? how was dey GOADED?. When did the US BEGIN to support Islamic extremists?

 

[Disir]

It's a memorial thread. What do you think my intentions are?

I did not know-----so I asked. IT IS a very important issue. I believe that the USA support of the
Mujahadeen CREATED a huge problem for the USA in Afghanistan----ON THE OTHER HAND----
the Russian endeavor was clear AGGRESSIVE imperialism------a problem that even BRILLIANT
ME-----did not appreciate at that time. I am STILL equivocal. On one issue I am not equivocal-----
we should have put a bullet in the head of Osama way back in the 1980s------and a bullet in the
head of Saddam----circa 1970. (ok ---two issues) ------and another one----A bullet in the head of
HAFEZ ASSAD----circa 1970. We need to put some war ships in the red sea and Mediterranean---
near the ports of Yemen and make some kind of DEFENSE agreement with Saudi Arabia so they will
stop their sloppy bombing of Yemen------if possible. Iranian ships approaching Yemen should be
TORPEDOED

Understanding what the US did in Afghanistan is very instructive watching current events play out. Manchester bombing included. I don't think there is a strong enough word for what I feel about it.

try Tehon I agree with your statement that the US actions in Afghanistan in support of the
Mujihadeen WAS VERY important relative to the dilemmas of today--------and would appreciate
your thoughts on the matter

To start with the Russians were goaded into Afghanistan. The US began supporting Islamic extremists before the invasion. This prompted the Russians to respond.

GOADED???? how was dey GOADED?. When did the US BEGIN to support Islamic extremists?

Officially 1979. They are called the Peshawar Seven.

 

[Tehon]

It's a memorial thread. What do you think my intentions are?

I did not know-----so I asked. IT IS a very important issue. I believe that the USA support of the
Mujahadeen CREATED a huge problem for the USA in Afghanistan----ON THE OTHER HAND----
the Russian endeavor was clear AGGRESSIVE imperialism------a problem that even BRILLIANT
ME-----did not appreciate at that time. I am STILL equivocal. On one issue I am not equivocal-----
we should have put a bullet in the head of Osama way back in the 1980s------and a bullet in the
head of Saddam----circa 1970. (ok ---two issues) ------and another one----A bullet in the head of
HAFEZ ASSAD----circa 1970. We need to put some war ships in the red sea and Mediterranean---
near the ports of Yemen and make some kind of DEFENSE agreement with Saudi Arabia so they will
stop their sloppy bombing of Yemen------if possible. Iranian ships approaching Yemen should be
TORPEDOED

Understanding what the US did in Afghanistan is very instructive watching current events play out. Manchester bombing included. I don't think there is a strong enough word for what I feel about it.

try Tehon I agree with your statement that the US actions in Afghanistan in support of the
Mujihadeen WAS VERY important relative to the dilemmas of today--------and would appreciate
your thoughts on the matter

To start with the Russians were goaded into Afghanistan. The US began supporting Islamic extremists before the invasion. This prompted the Russians to respond.

GOADED???? how was dey GOADED?. When did the US BEGIN to support Islamic extremists?

Yeah goaded. The US began supporting Islamic extremists at least six months prior to Russia sending in the Army to prop up the PDPA.

You don't see the similarities with the current conflict in Syria?

 

[HaShev]

I missed obnoxious MIKA What did the putative bitch DO?

She went on a worried teary eyed rant claiming she was worried about Trumps stability and later we find out she was worried because she might be arrested for leaks and fired for being the one who interviewed Evelyn Farkas who admited that Obama was spying on Trump when her station denied any such surveillance and busted on Trump for it=she was caught lying, but also giving the resources to out the lies of the station.
Former Obama aide,
Evelyn Farkas, who left her position as deputy assistant secretary of defense for Russia, Ukraine, and Eurasia in the Obama White House in 2015, disclosed that Trump’s staff was indeed spied on.
She claimed in a brief March 2 MSNBC "Morning Joe" appearance that she had urged her “former colleagues and … people on the Hill” to get as much information as they could about the Trump team before Obama left office.
ON THAT NOTE :
HEY MUELLER and his agency crew, you need to ask Evelyn Farkas some important questions, she's your smoking gun between Obamas tactical spying and her ties to Russians used for the spying ploy and fake narrative.

 

[irosie91]

I did not know-----so I asked. IT IS a very important issue. I believe that the USA support of the
Mujahadeen CREATED a huge problem for the USA in Afghanistan----ON THE OTHER HAND----
the Russian endeavor was clear AGGRESSIVE imperialism------a problem that even BRILLIANT
ME-----did not appreciate at that time. I am STILL equivocal. On one issue I am not equivocal-----
we should have put a bullet in the head of Osama way back in the 1980s------and a bullet in the
head of Saddam----circa 1970. (ok ---two issues) ------and another one----A bullet in the head of
HAFEZ ASSAD----circa 1970. We need to put some war ships in the red sea and Mediterranean---
near the ports of Yemen and make some kind of DEFENSE agreement with Saudi Arabia so they will
stop their sloppy bombing of Yemen------if possible. Iranian ships approaching Yemen should be
TORPEDOED

Understanding what the US did in Afghanistan is very instructive watching current events play out. Manchester bombing included. I don't think there is a strong enough word for what I feel about it.

try Tehon I agree with your statement that the US actions in Afghanistan in support of the
Mujihadeen WAS VERY important relative to the dilemmas of today--------and would appreciate
your thoughts on the matter

To start with the Russians were goaded into Afghanistan. The US began supporting Islamic extremists before the invasion. This prompted the Russians to respond.

GOADED???? how was dey GOADED?. When did the US BEGIN to support Islamic extremists?

Yeah goaded. The US began supporting Islamic extremists at least six months prior to Russia sending in the Army to prop up the PDPA.

You don't see the similarities with the current conflict in Syria?

of course there are similarities-------you just have the time-line off. Russia intervened in Afghanistan LONG
before the USA did. In fact Russia allied with BAATHIST Syria long before Syria became a household
word in the USA-------same is true of YEMEN -----it had a Baathist (aka Russia friendly) movement way
back in the 1950s When you think BAATHIST always think RUSSOPHIL

 

[Disir]

Understanding what the US did in Afghanistan is very instructive watching current events play out. Manchester bombing included. I don't think there is a strong enough word for what I feel about it.

try Tehon I agree with your statement that the US actions in Afghanistan in support of the
Mujihadeen WAS VERY important relative to the dilemmas of today--------and would appreciate
your thoughts on the matter

To start with the Russians were goaded into Afghanistan. The US began supporting Islamic extremists before the invasion. This prompted the Russians to respond.

GOADED???? how was dey GOADED?. When did the US BEGIN to support Islamic extremists?

Yeah goaded. The US began supporting Islamic extremists at least six months prior to Russia sending in the Army to prop up the PDPA.

You don't see the similarities with the current conflict in Syria?

of course there are similarities-------you just have the time-line off. Russia intervened in Afghanistan LONG
before the USA did. In fact Russia allied with BAATHIST Syria long before Syria became a household
word in the USA-------same is true of YEMEN -----it had a Baathist (aka Russia friendly) movement way
back in the 1950s When you think BAATHIST always think RUSSOPHIL

Note that all ellipses appeared in the original transcript, as published in Le Nouvel Observateur.

Question: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs that the American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahiddin in Afghanistan six months before the Soviet intervention. Is this period, you were the national securty advisor to President Carter. You therefore played a key role in this affair. Is this correct?

Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahiddin began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan on December 24, 1979. But the reality, closely guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention [emphasis added throughout].

Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into the war and looked for a way to provoke it?

B: It wasn’t quite like that. We didn’t push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.

Q : When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against secret US involvement in Afghanistan , nobody believed them . However, there was an element of truth in this. You don’t regret any of this today?

B: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter, essentially: “We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war." Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war that was unsustainable for the regime , a conflict that bought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.

Q: And neither do you regret having supported Islamic fundamentalism, which has given arms and advice to future terrorists?

B : What is more important in world history? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some agitated Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?

Q : “Some agitated Moslems”? But it has been said and repeated: Islamic fundamentalism represents a world menace today...

B: Nonsense! It is said that the West has a global policy in regard to Islam. That is stupid: There isn’t a global Islam. Look at Islam in a rational manner, without demagoguery or emotionalism. It is the leading religion of the world with 1.5 billion followers. But what is t h ere in com m on among fundamentalist Saudi Arabia , moderate Morocco, militarist Pakistan, pro-Western Egypt, or secularist Central Asia? Nothing more than what unites the Christian countries...

Brzezinski Interview | David N. Gibbs

Brzezinski's role. He was a big believer in the Arc of Crisis. Believer as in he did not invent it but he absolutely orchestrated it.

 

[HaShev]

I missed obnoxious MIKA What did the putative bitch DO?

She went on a worried teary eyed rant claiming she was worried about Trumps stability as being paranoid about being spued on and later we find out she was worried because she might be arrested for leaks and fired for being the one who interviewed Evelyn Farkas who admited that Obama was spying on Trump when her & her station denied any such surveillance and busted on Trump for it=she was caught lying, but also giving the resources to out the lies of the station.

Former Obama aide,
Evelyn Farkas, who left her position as deputy assistant secretary of defense for Russia, Ukraine, and Eurasia in the Obama White House in 2015, disclosed that Trump’s staff was indeed spied on.
She claimed in a brief March 2 MSNBC "Morning Joe" appearance that she had urged her “former colleagues and … people on the Hill” to get as much information as they could about the Trump team before Obama left office.

ON THAT NOTE :
HEY MUELLER and his agency crew, you need to ask Evelyn Farkas some important questions, she's your smoking gun between Obamas tactical spying and her ties to Russians used for the spying ploy and fake narrative.

 

[Tehon]

Understanding what the US did in Afghanistan is very instructive watching current events play out. Manchester bombing included. I don't think there is a strong enough word for what I feel about it.

try Tehon I agree with your statement that the US actions in Afghanistan in support of the
Mujihadeen WAS VERY important relative to the dilemmas of today--------and would appreciate
your thoughts on the matter

To start with the Russians were goaded into Afghanistan. The US began supporting Islamic extremists before the invasion. This prompted the Russians to respond.

GOADED???? how was dey GOADED?. When did the US BEGIN to support Islamic extremists?

Yeah goaded. The US began supporting Islamic extremists at least six months prior to Russia sending in the Army to prop up the PDPA.

You don't see the similarities with the current conflict in Syria?

of course there are similarities-------you just have the time-line off. Russia intervened in Afghanistan LONG
before the USA did. In fact Russia allied with BAATHIST Syria long before Syria became a household
word in the USA-------same is true of YEMEN -----it had a Baathist (aka Russia friendly) movement way
back in the 1950s When you think BAATHIST always think RUSSOPHIL

So the US is allowed to have allies, but not the Russians?

 

[mudwhistle]

When someone you hate dies.....don't be a dick

Here lies Jeff........Tim was cooler​

 

[Disir]

The US merely took over Great Britain's role in the Great Game.
The Great Game in Asia

 

[irosie91]

try Tehon I agree with your statement that the US actions in Afghanistan in support of the
Mujihadeen WAS VERY important relative to the dilemmas of today--------and would appreciate
your thoughts on the matter

To start with the Russians were goaded into Afghanistan. The US began supporting Islamic extremists before the invasion. This prompted the Russians to respond.

GOADED???? how was dey GOADED?. When did the US BEGIN to support Islamic extremists?

Yeah goaded. The US began supporting Islamic extremists at least six months prior to Russia sending in the Army to prop up the PDPA.

You don't see the similarities with the current conflict in Syria?

of course there are similarities-------you just have the time-line off. Russia intervened in Afghanistan LONG
before the USA did. In fact Russia allied with BAATHIST Syria long before Syria became a household
word in the USA-------same is true of YEMEN -----it had a Baathist (aka Russia friendly) movement way
back in the 1950s When you think BAATHIST always think RUSSOPHIL

So the US is allowed to have allies, but not the Russians?

Russians support the destruction of the USA----as do their allies. Iran is now a Russian ally------
it started screaming DEATH TO AMERICA. Same is true of Syria. -------even yemen was
hostile to the USA way back in the time it began civil war --------and Baathists were murdering
other Yemenis with NITROGEN MUSTARD GAS------nice people you support (way back in
the 1950s------in the dark ages when Yemen could have been THE MOON as far as americans were
concerned)

 

[Disir]

To start with the Russians were goaded into Afghanistan. The US began supporting Islamic extremists before the invasion. This prompted the Russians to respond.

GOADED???? how was dey GOADED?. When did the US BEGIN to support Islamic extremists?

Yeah goaded. The US began supporting Islamic extremists at least six months prior to Russia sending in the Army to prop up the PDPA.

You don't see the similarities with the current conflict in Syria?

of course there are similarities-------you just have the time-line off. Russia intervened in Afghanistan LONG
before the USA did. In fact Russia allied with BAATHIST Syria long before Syria became a household
word in the USA-------same is true of YEMEN -----it had a Baathist (aka Russia friendly) movement way
back in the 1950s When you think BAATHIST always think RUSSOPHIL

So the US is allowed to have allies, but not the Russians?

Russians support the destruction of the USA----as do their allies. Iran is now a Russian ally------
it started screaming DEATH TO AMERICA. Same is true of Syria. -------even yemen was
hostile to the USA way back in the time it began civil war --------and Baathists were murdering
other Yemenis with NITROGEN MUSTARD GAS------nice people you support (way back in
the 1950s------in the dark ages when Yemen could have been THE MOON as far as americans were
concerned)

When you think Ba'ath Party you should be thinking........does not recognize borders--especially borders imposed on them. They wanted unity and nationalism.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

I didn't know Mika was his daughter.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Zbigniew Brzezinski, the hawkish strategic theorist who was national security adviser to President Jimmy Carter in the tumultuous years of the Iran hostage crisis and the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in the late 1970s, died on Friday at a hospital in Virginia. He was 89.

His death, at Inova Fairfax Hospital in Falls Church, was announced on Friday by his daughter, Mika Brzezinski, a co-host of the MSNBC program “Morning Joe.”

Like his predecessor Henry A. Kissinger, Mr. Brzezinski was a foreign-born scholar (he in Poland, Mr. Kissinger in Germany) with considerable influence in global affairs, both before and long after his official tour of duty in the White House. In essays, interviews and television appearances over the decades, he cast a sharp eye on six successive administrations, including that of Donald J. Trump, whose election he did not support and whose foreign policy, he found, lacked coherence.

Mr. Brzezinski was nominally a Democrat, with views that led him to speak out, for example, against the “greed,” as he put it, of an American system that compounded inequality. He was one of the few foreign policy experts to warn against the invasion of Iraq in 2003.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/26/...dead-national-security-adviser-to-carter.html

Yep. Unfortunately the Arc of Crisis continues.

Polish huh?

This explains why Carter ran like a scared rabbit from the hostage taking Iranians.

Was that any different than Reagan`s cut and run in Lebanon? He invaded Granada 3 days later.

Cut and run? Moving to ships offshore is running?

Those ships and Marines were still there many years after the fact!