Dogmaphobe
Diamond Member
A person does not have to be a Christian to support abortion, so this is all moot.
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I mean, you don't have to be religious to oppose killing innocent human beings. It's better if you don't use religion in your argument - most often, it is the pro-aborts bringing their religion and magical thinking into the debate - the pro-life position is the position of reason and science.Abortion is a moral and religious issue. Allowing abortion is evil, pushes the atheist agenda and should not be permitted by government.
You don't seem to understand you're trying to force atheism on the rest of us. How many times do I have to repeat it?
Their hatred for religion (almost always Christianity) is all they care about.
You should read this letter from Ben Franklin to get a better idea as to the frame of mind of the FoundersYou people might remember my excellent thread calling for the US to become a Christian Nation It’s Time to Formally Declare America A Christian Nation. In it, I made the airtight case that separation of church and state is impossible, has never happened, and cannot ever happen, and should be amended out of the Constitution. Let's face it. The framers made a mistake, just like they did in calling blacks 3/5 human.
Separation of Church and state is possible with most laws: No littering, no running a red light, etc. But there are some laws, the most important ones, where separation is impossible without creating an atheist state. In order to have actual separation of church and state, you have to have laws which the Catholic Church and other Christians can't follow in good conscience. In other words, atheist laws. Therefore abortion and gay marriage cannot be reconciled with separation of church and state without creating an atheist state. Leftist atheists say the current reversal of Roe v Wade violates separation of church and state because it pushes religious values. I say allowing abortion makes the state tantamount to an atheist state.
I would also add the Supreme Court declared atheism a religion in 1961, so why are we favoring the religion of atheism over the Christian religions? Again, separation of church and state is impossible, so let's scrap it and done with it.
I challenge anyone in the forum who claim to want separation of church and state (probably most people) tp reconcile the issues of abortion and gay marriage with the First Amendment without promoting the religion of atheism. I guarantee no one will be able to do it.
I don't push atheism you goddamned lying motherfucker.Is that what we should tell you people pushing atheism?
When was the last time we saw an atheist prosletyzing? Five seconds ago. On here. Or turn on the news. Anytime. All the time.That's because the only people trying to get you to believe as they do are so-called "christians" like Mashmouth.
Ask yourself: When was the last time you saw a Jew or a Muslim or a Buddhist standing on a street corner proselytizing?
True. But the First Amendment said the state shall establish no religion, and that's where they went wrong. They already have. It's atheism by default. And that's where I think the Constitution needs to be amended, to make Christianity the official religion of the country and be done with it.Separation of Church and State isn't in the Constitution.
You have to start with a factual position to have a discussion.
Oh wow. I see somebody wasn't properly toilet trained as a tot.I don't push atheism you goddamned lying motherfucker.
True.
But the First Amendment said the state shall establish no religion, and that's where they went wrong. They already have. It's atheism by default. And that's where I think the Constitution needs to be amended, to make Christianity the official religion of the country and be done with it.
Keep your motherfucking god out of my government, and there won't be a problem.Oh wow. I see somebody wasn't properly toilet trained as a tot.
I believe in no direct abortion. The only thing that is acceptable is the rare case in which the child dies incidentally while operating to save the mother's life.Abortion should never be banned entirely
For example, some abortions need to be done to save a woman's life, like with an ectopic pregnancy when the infant does not adhere to the uterus but elsewhere instead where the woman will wait for it to grow and rupture her vessels and kill her.
The abortion heart beat bill was a way to try and find a middle ground on the issue. Only if the infant can grow in the right spot and has a heart beat can it be considered human after about 6 weeks or so after conception.
Roe vs. Wade made no such attempt to determine when our humanity begins. Instead, they just threw up their hands and said, "Hell if we know" but then hid behind a woman's privacy instead.
How they could bypass such a fundamentally important and necessary question is criminal in my opinion.
I explained what I meant in the part of the post that you cut off. Why did you cut it off?Then why did you say it was?
They said the same about Roe v Wade being repealed. Righteousness always prevails in the end.It's never going to happen and I have a policy of not getting too upset over something I know isn't going to happen.
It's never going to happen and I have a policy of not getting too upset over something I know isn't going to happen.
Keep your atheism out of my government and you won't have a problem with me. Otherwise, you can guarantee you will. Is that in any way unclear?Keep your motherfucking god out of my government, and there won't be a problem.
I explained what I meant in the part of the post that you cut off. Why did you cut it off?
They said the same about Roe v Wade being repealed. Righteousness always prevails in the end.
Deal.Keep your atheism out of my government or you won't have a problem with me.
You're no trouble. You're an internet troll with a desire for negative attention.Otherwise, you can guarantee you will.
And what are you? You sit there and blab like a junior high kid, trying to sound tough.Deal.
So shut the fuck up about declaring America to be a Christian Nation, dumbass.
You're no trouble. You're an internet troll with a desire for negative attention.
What drivel.
Calling your own thread "excellent" is akin to the answer you'd get when asking a chef who cooks the best steak in town.
You're wet dream about us being a christian nation is comical. Not adhering to christian values doesn't make someone an Atheist. It makes them not a christian.
Practice your religion as you see fit. Enjoy it. Take joy and solace in what it brings into your life.
But try to force it on those who don't want it will result in a fight you won't win...
Be sure to observe the 11th commandment:
11. Thou shalt keep thy religion to thyself.
Total bullshit.
Do you know how you separate church and state. If a Christian is against abortion or gay marriage, tell them they don't have to get an abortion, or marry someone of the same sex.
DONE !!!
How to "reconcile" what? When religious people start trying to force their views on me, I usually just tell them to get fucked.
I'm not forcing anything on anyone, and I'm not an Atheist. I'm not telling you to not believe as you wish. That's what you're apparently too stupid to comprehend. You want everyone to believe as you do. Well, good luck instituting that because, as I said, that will result in you starting a fight you will most certainly come out on the shitty end of.
And the reason it got so many views is because people were fascinated by the extremist zealotry contained in it.
It was a garbage post...
So what about free will? Does it still have any meaning to a so-called christian who wants to rule the secular world?