You People Who Think Separation of Church and State is Possible.......How Do You Reconcile Abortion??

[Redfish]

You people might remember my excellent thread calling for the US to become a Christian Nation It’s Time to Formally Declare America A Christian Nation. In it, I made the airtight case that separation of church and state is impossible, has never happened, and cannot ever happen, and should be amended out of the Constitution. Let's face it. The framers made a mistake, just like they did in calling blacks 3/5 human.

Separation of Church and state is possible with most laws: No littering, no running a red light, etc. But there are some laws, the most important ones, where separation is impossible without creating an atheist state. In order to have actual separation of church and state, you have to have laws which the Catholic Church and other Christians can't follow in good conscience. In other words, atheist laws. Therefore abortion and gay marriage cannot be reconciled with separation of church and state without creating an atheist state. Leftist atheists say the current reversal of Roe v Wade violates separation of church and state because it pushes religious values. I say allowing abortion makes the state tantamount to an atheist state.

I would also add the Supreme Court declared atheism a religion in 1961, so why are we favoring the religion of atheism over the Christian religions? Again, separation of church and state is impossible, so let's scrap it and done with it.

I challenge anyone in the forum who claim to want separation of church and state (probably most people) tp reconcile the issues of abortion and gay marriage with the First Amendment without promoting the religion of atheism. I guarantee no one will be able to do it.

abortion is not simply a religious issue. Many non religious people oppose the murder of unborn children. Their views are not necessarily tied to any religion, but mor likely to their knowledge of biology. It has nothing to do with separation of church and state, but rather with what a person believes relative to unborn human life.

 

[Mashmont]

How to "reconcile" what? When religious people start trying to force their views on me, I usually just tell them to get fucked.

Is that what we should tell you people pushing atheism?

 

[Mashmont]

abortion is not simply a religious issue. Many non religious people oppose the murder of unborn children. Their views are not necessarily tied to any religion, but mor likely to their knowledge of biology. It has nothing to do with separation of church and state, but rather with what a person believes relative to unborn human life.

Even more reason to ban abortion.

 

[Votto]

Atheism is not a religion.

What makes something a religion?

You would probably say that believing in a deity is required, I disagree.

For example, it is interesting that atheistic leaders, like Lenon in Soviet Russia, had themselves embalmed under glass for people to go and see. In fact, others have done it like Mao. In a way, it is their way of becoming immortal and staying with their subjects till the end of time to give them comfort and support, because we all know we would all be dying in the streets without their benevolent and wise direction.

It used to be that despots once claimed to be God, so they would be worshiped, but when that no longer worked they claimed to ONLY speak for God, but when that no longer worked, they claimed that there is no God, thus making themselves the ultimate authority again.

What do they do next? My guess is maybe create some sort of AI god for people to worship and run the state as they pull the strings behind the curtain.

 

[Mashmont]

Agreed, but you are pushing it the wrong way

For example, you say the Founders wrote the Constitution and laws based upon the Bible. Ok, so why did they not allow polygamy that was allowed in the Bible?

Instead, you should approach this from a natural rights perspective. All men, and women, have natural rights given to us by God protecting us from others snuffing out our lives under the law.. So when do those rights begin? At conception? Until viable in the womb? Only until passing out of the womb? Or maybe they should not be considered human if they hold Left wing perspectives.

See what I mean?

Christianity involves the New Testament.

 

[Mashmont]

I'm not forcing anything on anyone, and I'm not an Atheist. I'm not telling you to not believe as you wish. That's what you're apparently too stupid to comprehend. You want everyone to believe as you do. Well, good luck instituting that because, as I said, that will result in you starting a fight you will most certainly come out on the shitty end of.

And the reason it got so many views is because people were fascinated by the extremist zealotry contained in it.

It was a garbage post...

It's just that Christian beliefs are right and atheist beliefs are wrong. That's not opinion; it's objective. It's not a matter of me doing what I want and you doing what I want when the government tries to force me to do what is wrong

 

[Mashmont]

Atheism is not a religion.

The Supreme Court says it is.

 

[Redfish]

Even more reason to ban abortion.

we agree

 

[Pete7469]

Separation of Church and State is not even part of the COTUS.​

It's a concept stemming from a letter written by Jefferson. The only mention of religion is that the 1st Amendment forbids Congress from establishing one, or crafting laws which forbid the practice of one

I would argue that all the federal rules that prevent praying in schools, Christmas Parties, and other examples of religious oppression are grossly unconstitutional. For that matter I don't see how a state cannot adopt a religion and forbid the public practice of others while the federal government has no such power. That way TX can make Christianity a State Religion, Commiefornians can worship satan, and the New England States can worship the earth.

 

[Mashmont]

And the reason it got so many views is because people were fascinated by the extremist zealotry contained in it.

It was a garbage post...

The extremist zealotry is from those who say killing little babies in the womb should be the law of the land.

 

[Redfish]

The Supreme Court says it is.

it is a cult that does not believe in any religion or any higher power. Atheism is NOT a religion, the SC got it wrong.

 

[Votto]

Even more reason to ban abortion.

Abortion should never be banned entirely

For example, some abortions need to be done to save a woman's life, like with an ectopic pregnancy when the infant does not adhere to the uterus but elsewhere instead where the woman will wait for it to grow and rupture her vessels and kill her.

The abortion heart beat bill was a way to try and find a middle ground on the issue. Only if the infant can grow in the right spot and has a heart beat can it be considered human after about 6 weeks or so after conception.

Roe vs. Wade made no such attempt to determine when our humanity begins. Instead, they just threw up their hands and said, "Hell if we know" but then hid behind a woman's privacy instead.

How they could bypass such a fundamentally important and necessary question is criminal in my opinion.

 

[Votto]

it is a cult that does not believe in any religion or any higher power. Atheism is NOT a religion, the SC got it wrong.

You sound awfully dogmatic about that.

 

[Redfish]

You sound awfully dogmatic about that.

nope, just stating my opinion as guaranteed by the first amendment.

 

[Votto]

Christianity involves the New Testament.

Yes, and the old testament.
Where in the New Testament is polygamy prohibited?

 

[occupied]

So what about free will? Does it still have any meaning to a so-called christian who wants to rule the secular world?

 

[Canon Shooter]

It's just that Christian beliefs are right and atheist beliefs are wrong. That's not opinion; it's objective.

The fuck it is.

The beliefs a christian holds are right for him, and him alone.

Try to force them on someone who doesn't share them, though, and you're likely to be taught a painful lesson...

It's not a matter of me doing what I want and you doing what I want when the government tries to force me to do what is wrong

Oh, it's very much a matter of me doing what you want. You want your beliefs forced on all.

Ain't happenin'...

 

[Votto]

nope, just stating my opinion as guaranteed by the first amendment.

But you stated that as fact.

Religion and politics are very, very, closely related, in that both address how people should live and treat each other. Additionally, these beliefs are held often with next to no reason or facts behind them, but are dogmatically embraced nonetheless. It reminds me of socialists who have no inkling as to the horrors committed by previous socialist governments, or even the current ones like in NK or Venezuela .

That is why they are both so bitterly contested and avoided in many conversations.

Admitting to believing in a deity behind it all seems secondary other than admitting that man is flawed no matter his positions on such things in some way, and will be held to account by the higher deity.

 

[Mashmont]

it is a cult that does not believe in any religion or any higher power. Atheism is NOT a religion, the SC got it wrong.

I understand your point, but for the purposes of atheism's demanding of rights and its accompanying agenda, I think atheism has to be forced onto a platform where it has compete with religions. For too long, atheists have been able to sit back and reap all the benefits by default from lawmakers who say "We can't do this or that, because it pushes religion". By shining the light on atheism and making it go toe-to-toe with Christianity, it will be exposed as the evil fraud it is and will fail.

 

[Mashmont]

The fuck it is.

The beliefs a christian holds are right for him, and him alone.

Try to force them on someone who doesn't share them, though, and you're likely to be taught a painful lesson...



Oh, it's very much a matter of me doing what you want. You want your beliefs forced on all.

Ain't happenin'...

You don't seem to understand you're trying to force atheism on the rest of us. How many times do I have to repeat it?