You Have A Total Misunderstanding About Teacher’s Unions

[PoliticalChic]

Stop being an infant. Be an adult, and apply adult thinking to the world, and to your vote.


1.In this complex world it is often simpler to imagine that organizations function as we wish them to, rather than something closer to reality. We get a peek at that fact in this quote from J. Edgar Hoover: "Justice is merely incidental to law and order."

Not exactly what we’d wish, is it.

The same relationship is true of education and Teacher’s Unions.



2. Accepting that fact, let’s dispense with the argument that unions should be outlawed. They can’t be: the US Constitution makes them legal: The First Amendment guarantees freedoms concerning religion, expression, assembly, and the right to petition.



3. There is this disputed quote from American Federation of Teachers President Albert Shanker: "When schoolchildren start paying union dues, that's when I'll start representing the interests of school children."

He may have said it or not…..but it is a fair description of the responsibility of a union.

4. “2009 VIDEO: Lawyer for NEA Teacher Union Says It’s Not About Children or Education, It’s About Power​

“Despite what some among us would like to believe”

Parents are starting to realize that maybe their child’s education is not the first priority in public education.

This line from a 2009 speech by Bob Chanin, a lawyer for the National Education Association (NEA), is rather enlightening.

Here’s the exact quote, via the CATO Institute:

‘And that brings me to my final, and most important point. Which is why, at least in my opinion, NEA and its affiliates are such effective advocates. Despite what some among us would like to believe, it is not because of our creative ideas. It is not because of the merit of our positions. It is not because we care about children. And it is not because we have a vision of a great public school for every child. NEA and its affiliates are effective advocates because we have power. And we have power because there are more than 3.2 million people who are willing to pay us hundreds of millions of dollars in dues each year because they believe that we are the unions that can most effectively represent them, the unions that can protect their rights and advance their interests as education employees.” 2009 VIDEO: Lawyer for NEA Teacher Union Says It’s Not About Children or Education, It’s About Power

"...the unions that can protect their rights and advance their interests as education employees.”
That is the function of a union.


5. Teacher’s unions have no role in seeing to the education of our children. It is the corrupt collaboration of the people we elect who choose the votes of those teachers over whether or not education occurs.

And it is foolish to expect otherwise.

 

[Unkotare]

To whom was this directed? Looks like a one-person discussion so far.

 

[PoliticalChic]

To whom was this directed? Looks like a one-person discussion so far.

It's not a discussion.....it's education.

Are you here to say you already realized the fact about teacher's unions?

Is that why you're posting????

 

[Unkotare]

It's not a discussion.....it's education.
....

The title of the thread starts with a pronoun suggesting it is intended to be addressed to someone. Was that not your intention?

 

[PoliticalChic]

The title of the thread starts with a pronoun suggesting it is intended to be addressed to someone. Was that not your intention?

Answer the question:
Are you here to say you already realized the fact about teacher's unions?

Is that why you're posting????

 

[PoliticalChic]

Stop being an infant. Be an adult, and apply adult thinking to the world, and to your vote.


1.In this complex world it is often simpler to imagine that organizations function as we wish them to, rather than something closer to reality. We get a peek at that fact in this quote from J. Edgar Hoover: "Justice is merely incidental to law and order."

Not exactly what we’d wish, is it.

The same relationship is true of education and Teacher’s Unions.



2. Accepting that fact, let’s dispense with the argument that unions should be outlawed. They can’t be: the US Constitution makes them legal: The First Amendment guarantees freedoms concerning religion, expression, assembly, and the right to petition.



3. There is this disputed quote from American Federation of Teachers President Albert Shanker: "When schoolchildren start paying union dues, that's when I'll start representing the interests of school children."

He may have said it or not…..but it is a fair description of the responsibility of a union.

4. “2009 VIDEO: Lawyer for NEA Teacher Union Says It’s Not About Children or Education, It’s About Power​

“Despite what some among us would like to believe”

Parents are starting to realize that maybe their child’s education is not the first priority in public education.

This line from a 2009 speech by Bob Chanin, a lawyer for the National Education Association (NEA), is rather enlightening.

Here’s the exact quote, via the CATO Institute:

‘And that brings me to my final, and most important point. Which is why, at least in my opinion, NEA and its affiliates are such effective advocates. Despite what some among us would like to believe, it is not because of our creative ideas. It is not because of the merit of our positions. It is not because we care about children. And it is not because we have a vision of a great public school for every child. NEA and its affiliates are effective advocates because we have power. And we have power because there are more than 3.2 million people who are willing to pay us hundreds of millions of dollars in dues each year because they believe that we are the unions that can most effectively represent them, the unions that can protect their rights and advance their interests as education employees.” 2009 VIDEO: Lawyer for NEA Teacher Union Says It’s Not About Children or Education, It’s About Power

"...the unions that can protect their rights and advance their interests as education employees.”
That is the function of a union.


5. Teacher’s unions have no role in seeing to the education of our children. It is the corrupt collaboration of the people we elect who choose the votes of those teachers over whether or not education occurs.

And it is foolish to expect otherwise.

Another emoticon and waddle away???



I yearn for the day when one of your sort can digest the post, and articulate a cogent response to same, making an argument for the opposite view.


I'm sure that will occur any day now.....

.....any day.......


.....any........

 

[PoliticalChic]

6. As the OP has dispensed with the silly idea that teacher’s unions are there to advance the education of our children, let’s consider the outdated notion that government school continues to support the idea that it is meant to instill a love of America, and our heritage and values.

That horse is long out of the barn.

Government schooling not only fails to educate....but creates hatred and division among Americans.....see Critical Race Theory.



7. Just as the Democrat Party has become a European party, not an American one, and should always be recognized as a socialist entity, so have the teacher’s unions.

And, sadly, that includes many teachers in the government school system.

The 20-minute video being shown in American classrooms entitled The

Story of Stuff; a catchy title to appeal to grade school kids. This piece of anti-capitalist propaganda was

put together by Greenpeace member Annie Leonard.

 

[Unkotare]

Answer the question:
Are you here to say you already realized the fact about teacher's unions?

Is that why you're posting????

I asked first.

 

[bodecea]

I asked first.

Good luck with that with that one.....she's just a cut n'paster.

 

[Unkotare]

Another emoticon and waddle away???



I yearn for the day when one of your sort can digest the post, and articulate a cogent response to same, making an argument for the opposite view.


I'm sure that will occur any day now.....

.....any day.......


.....any........

Again, to whom are your comments directed? It's not at all clear.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I asked first.

My thread, my rules.

Answer, or get lost.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Good luck with that with that one.....she's just a cut n'paster.

But....but....you're just an emoticon-er and waddler-awayer.

You and I, same Genus, different species. Clearly 'sapiens' doesn't apply to you.


I know you don't understand that, but I got a chuckle out of it.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Again, to whom are your comments directed? It's not at all clear.

You have two options.

A third.....keep reading the next several posts I have planned....I guarantee they will upset you just as much as the OP.


And every post of mine is, as always, 100% true, accurate and correct.

 

[Unkotare]

You have two options.

A third.....keep reading the next several posts I have planned....I guarantee they will upset you just as much as the OP.


And every post of mine is, as always, 100% true, accurate and correct.

Why do you think the OP upset me? Why are you avoiding my simple question?

 

[PoliticalChic]

The teachers’ unions have been co-opted by far Left ideologues, just as the Democrat Party has. Their designs for our children are indoctrination, not education.



8.” It appears the Chicago Teachers Union (CTU), which held a solidarity rally this Saturday afternoon, …. seemed more like a convention of far-left radicals than the image of clean-cut teachers the CTU would like to project. Thousands of red-shirted Chicago Teachers Union members flooded into Chicago’s aptly named Union Square Park at noon today to demonstrate for solidarity and workers’ rights. Protesters embraced radical revolutionary imagery, wearing shirts with Che Guevara on them and holding signs emblazoned with the “iron fist.”

Occupy Chicago and anarchist groups as well as the Progressive Labor Party, International Socialists, SEIU, AFL-CIO, and others stood alongside teachers chanting for solidarity…”

Radical left coalesces around Chicago Teacher protest

It appears the Chicago Teachers Union (CTU), which held a solidarity rally this Saturday afternoon, is facilitating a rejuvenation of the Wisconsin-style protest movement. The scene at Saturday's rally, held in anticipation of Sunday's yes-or-no vote on the latest negotiated agreement, seemed...

legalinsurrection.com

In the vid, teacher’s union with the Socialist iron fist banner…





Unless we can pry the schools from them, as earlier American pried their slaves from them.....America is lost.

 

[PoliticalChic]

9. A Marriage made in Gehenna.....government and the teacher's unions.


The marriage of the socialist Democrat Party and the socialist teacher’s unions began under Democrat Jimmy Carter.

Department of Education is, of course, unconstitutional. The Constitution clearly states that powers not granted to the federal government belong to the states. So where is the impetus for its creation? Unions. The National Education Association (NEA)
“In 1972, the massive union formed a political action committee…released ‘Needed: A Cabinet Department of Education’ in 1975, but its most significant step was to endorse a presidential candidate- Jimmy Carter- for the first time in the history of the organization.”
D.T. Stallngs, “A Brief History of the Department of Education: 1979-2002,” p. 3.



When formed, its budget was $13.1 billion (in 2007 dollars) and it employed 450 people. IN 2010, the estimated budget is $107 billion, and there are 4,800 employees. http://crunchycon.nationalreview.co...-department-education-not-radical/mona-charen



“In November 1995, when the federal government shut down over a budget crisis, 89.4 percent of the department’s employees were deemed ‘nonessential’ and sent home.”
Beck and Balfe, “Broke,” p.304

 

[ClaireH]

6. As the OP has dispensed with the silly idea that teacher’s unions are there to advance the education of our children, let’s consider the outdated notion that government school continues to support the idea that it is meant to instill a love of America, and our heritage and values.

That horse is long out of the barn.

Government schooling not only fails to educate....but creates hatred and division among Americans.....see Critical Race Theory.



7. Just as the Democrat Party has become a European party, not an American one, and should always be recognized as a socialist entity, so have the teacher’s unions.

And, sadly, that includes many teachers in the government school system.

The 20-minute video being shown in American classrooms entitled The

Story of Stuff; a catchy title to appeal to grade school kids. This piece of anti-capitalist propaganda was

put together by Greenpeace member Annie Leonard.

From the OP’s kid-friendly propaganda piece: “The government, that’s their job to take care of us.” Had this been the first time to hear such useless messaging, my head would have just exploded.

I am certain I never once had a teacher relay that message to me while in school, at ANY grade level, nor will I ever indicate such a dismally, weak message within my own classroom. That statement stringently informs kids that all people are helpless, not just kids but adults, and are unable to function without the government. This is why our country is no longer “as good” as it used to be 25 years ago! Telling all students that they should rely on the government to take care of them is a lie laced in false promises. Worse than that, it means to go ahead and give up now, why do anything since we’re all unable to make a good life for ourselves without Big Brother.

Social programs are designed to help those who cannot help themselves and rightfully so. The elderly folks on fixed income and those deserving tax monies be returned to them they paid out via benefits, and all permanently or temporarily disabled citizens. Otherwise, a good life means doing your best job to thrive daily, taking responsibility for your own life, and it doesn’t include waiting for government to save the day.

Thanks PC for another great and important thread!

 

[PoliticalChic]

From the OP’s kid-friendly propaganda piece: “The government, that’s their job to take care of us.” Had this been the first time to hear such useless messaging, my head would have just exploded.

I am certain I never once had a teacher relay that message to me while in school, at ANY grade level, nor will I ever indicate such a dismally, weak message within my own classroom. That statement stringently informs kids that all people are helpless, not just kids but adults, and are unable to function without the government. This is why our country is no longer “as good” as it used to be 25 years ago! Telling all students that they should rely on the government to take care of them is a lie laced in false promises. Worse than that, it means to go ahead and give up now, why do anything since we’re all unable to make a good life for ourselves without Big Brother.

Social programs are designed to help those who cannot help themselves and rightfully so. The elderly folks on fixed income and those deserving tax monies be returned to them they paid out via benefits, and all permanently or temporarily disabled citizens. Otherwise, a good life means doing your best job to thrive daily, taking responsibility for your own life, and it doesn’t include waiting for government to save the day.

Thanks PC for another great and important thread!

What a lovely.....and on point....post.

While loving the post, it makes me so sad that evil appears to be winning, and people are prepared to allow themselves to become drones, slaves, servants, to the elites who will provide bread and circus.

When I came to this nation, the description was "can do," not "will take."


Thanks agaain.

 

[ClaireH]

What a lovely.....and on point....post.

While loving the post, it makes me so sad that evil appears to be winning, and people are prepared to allow themselves to become drones, slaves, servants, to the elites who will provide bread and circus.

When I came to this nation, the description was "can do," not "will take."


Thanks agaain.

Our efforts will have to be “doubled up” to continue to fight for human development unfettered by the governmental blustering’s from fools!

Your posts always shine a bright light on the harsh reality of governmental interventionism and those miscreants who pursue full control over the lives of the masses. I have to agree with your assessment that many people are willing to sacrifice personal choice for governmental control. The left professes that having government help is about lifting up the masses when the fact is reliance lowers standards of living in bulk. This backwards messaging is influencing the weak first and going for more. The miscreants want full control over all citizens. We will never stop the good fight.

 

[SweetSue92]

Stop being an infant. Be an adult, and apply adult thinking to the world, and to your vote.


1.In this complex world it is often simpler to imagine that organizations function as we wish them to, rather than something closer to reality. We get a peek at that fact in this quote from J. Edgar Hoover: "Justice is merely incidental to law and order."

Not exactly what we’d wish, is it.

The same relationship is true of education and Teacher’s Unions.



2. Accepting that fact, let’s dispense with the argument that unions should be outlawed. They can’t be: the US Constitution makes them legal: The First Amendment guarantees freedoms concerning religion, expression, assembly, and the right to petition.



3. There is this disputed quote from American Federation of Teachers President Albert Shanker: "When schoolchildren start paying union dues, that's when I'll start representing the interests of school children."

He may have said it or not…..but it is a fair description of the responsibility of a union.

4. “2009 VIDEO: Lawyer for NEA Teacher Union Says It’s Not About Children or Education, It’s About Power​

“Despite what some among us would like to believe”

Parents are starting to realize that maybe their child’s education is not the first priority in public education.

This line from a 2009 speech by Bob Chanin, a lawyer for the National Education Association (NEA), is rather enlightening.

Here’s the exact quote, via the CATO Institute:

‘And that brings me to my final, and most important point. Which is why, at least in my opinion, NEA and its affiliates are such effective advocates. Despite what some among us would like to believe, it is not because of our creative ideas. It is not because of the merit of our positions. It is not because we care about children. And it is not because we have a vision of a great public school for every child. NEA and its affiliates are effective advocates because we have power. And we have power because there are more than 3.2 million people who are willing to pay us hundreds of millions of dollars in dues each year because they believe that we are the unions that can most effectively represent them, the unions that can protect their rights and advance their interests as education employees.” 2009 VIDEO: Lawyer for NEA Teacher Union Says It’s Not About Children or Education, It’s About Power

"...the unions that can protect their rights and advance their interests as education employees.”
That is the function of a union.


5. Teacher’s unions have no role in seeing to the education of our children. It is the corrupt collaboration of the people we elect who choose the votes of those teachers over whether or not education occurs.

And it is foolish to expect otherwise.

The public school teacher unions are a scourge. I do not belong, maybe obviously. I belong to the Christian Education Association International.

However, I submit to you that parents need to be *informed* consumers of their child's education. Children would get a more comprehensive, America-loving education in some heartland schools than they would in say, some private Manhattan schools. Private is not ALWAYS better. Public school teachers have ways of, um, shuttling the most ridiculous stuff that comes our way in terms of what is suggested to us to teach.