You F-ing Racists Suck. Just sayin'

[uptownlivin90]

William Joyce is my favorite racist. He is so nice about it.

I don't think he even uses the word ******.

He's a professional racist.

I've actually noticed.

This is the first time I've ever had a semi-intelligent, cordial conversation with a white supremecist, without that word popping up...

or maybe ever.

 

[Conspiracist]

William Joyce is my favorite racist. He is so nice about it.

I don't think he even uses the word ******.

He's a professional racist.

I've actually noticed.

This is the first time I've ever had a semi-intelligent, cordial conversation with a white supremecist, without that word popping up...

or maybe ever.

Why did you call him a supremacist?

 

[William Joyce]

I don't think he even uses the word ******.

He's a professional racist.

I've actually noticed.

This is the first time I've ever had a semi-intelligent, cordial conversation with a white supremecist, without that word popping up...

or maybe ever.

Why did you call him a supremacist?

Call someone a "white supremacist", and there's no need to debate them. Though uptown is actually debating me -- a rare event!

 

[William Joyce]

This is the fundemental problem with multiculturalism: you and people like you. You are the reason why this nation has a race problem at all. Racism is not a natural occurance in matter of fact our modern perception of "race" is a constructed web of lies, misconceptions, and fairy tales formulated back during the crusades and the beginning of the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade. There's really not much evidence to suggest that "race" in it's classical sense exists, and there are various arguments about what classifies a "race" how many races their are, and who is apart of what race. It's really all just silliness.

Lil' ol' me?

Wow! How I only WISH I had that type of power.

I am going to be honest with you, uptown. I don't think it's "people like me" who are the problem. I think that if anything, people "like me" are NOT the problem -- I am polite, law-abiding, reasonable and friendly to all I meet. I am a terminal WASP.

You probably imagine that I am a muscle-bound skinhead with swastika tattoos who growls his way down the street, or a redneck who can't read and complains about "them *******". Sorry to disappoint. I'm a San Francisco-born, world-traveled lawyer from a family of Ivy Leaguers. My interest in what's happening to whites is confined to books, the Internet, publications and gatherings like American Renaissance. A few little legal actions here and there as protest.

In other words, I'm the worst nightmare of a system that seeks to dispossess and displace whites.

MUCH BETTER if I were marching around in a costume-store Nazi get-up. Then people would be able to laugh me off.

But the left wing, the neocons, the minority racists and the rest AREN'T laughing us off. They're using death threats to shut us down, as can be seen by the cancellation of this year's American Renaissance conference.

I think it must be very convenient or reassuring to believe that the failure of multiracialism is the fault of about two or three hundred "professional racists" like David Duke or Khalid Muhammad. And if we just got rid of those guys, we'd all melt together in a big pile of multicultural love-goo.

No, that will not happen.

The problem with multiracialism is MULTIRACIALISM ITSELF. It's dysfunctional. It doesn't work.

It's the masses of whites, the masses of blacks, the masses of Hispanics, etc. don't get along well with each other and try to steer clear of each other. The fact that you get along at work with some whites (or I blacks) is evidence of very little. That's like saying that all marriages that haven't yet ended in divorce must be pretty good... because they haven't ended in divorce. People commendably labor to make things work relationship-wise, but it doesn't mean they have natural affinity for each other, or that they make for a natural society.

What is the great magic of forcing groups that clearly don't like each other to live with each other? If, as you say, race is a bogus concept, well then that might argue FOR the legitimacy of separation along arbitrary lines, eh?

But race isn't a bogus concept. It's very real. The fact that it's got some flexibility as a concept doesn't impress me much. Most concepts are things that occur along a spectrum... it doesn't mean we can't make decisions and draw lines. In fact, life requires it.

And nota bene --- you and your gang don't believe for a minute that race isn't a legitimate construct. You FULLY believe in race, because you believe that whites are at the root of all problems, right? You guys only want to say "race does not exist" when WHITES TAKE NOTICE OF IT -- but never when you do.

That's hypocrisy.

The truth is that whites are a diverse but distinct human group that deserves to direct its own destiny and live in peace.

Race riots, affirmative action, open borders... that's not peace. That's not self-direction.

Whites today are terrified of even mentioning they exist. They spend their lives walking on eggshells so as not to offend blacks or Hispanics or Jews. They bend over backward to pacify these groups... and it never even seems to work. The more whites give blacks, the angrier blacks get.

Obama's not changing that. He's making it worse.

Multiracialism is a bigger failure than even communism. It's probably resulted in even more wasted resources, human stress, and misdirected lives.

We need to at least RETHINK our direction.

Our entire narrative on race in America is tightly restricted, tightly scripted. There are only a few pre-pressed things you can say: "Let's all get along." "Diversity is our greatest strength." "We're all one race, the human race."

Like they say, Orwell was an optimist.

The whole "diversity" thing just reeks of 1984ism. Big posters all over in government offices -- I see them everywhere.

Meanwhile, the truth just beneath is the complete opposite.

Races are real. They are different. And our best lives are in societies where we're compatible with our fellows.

That's the truth I'm resting on.

I realize that racial separation sounds like an impossible idea. But we could at least "remove the tourniquet", so to speak, and remove the laws and policies that force togetherness.

"Together-teid", Fred Reed called it, echoing "apartheid."

My prediction, uptown, is that ideas like mine -- and "people like me" -- aren't a sign of the past. They're a part of the future. Whites have suffered through all this bullshit with few complaints, perhaps because the economy's always been strong and they could soak their frustrations in materialism.

Guess what?

That's coming to an end. Whites are out of work. They can't keep up. They see all the power positions going to non-whites. The jobs off-shored. They see they're attacked by black criminals. They see Hispanics urinate on trees while milling around for day labor. Meanwhile, their sons and daughters die in the middle east for what reason, nobody can figure out.

We are clearly off-track here.

And whites are getting pushed into a place where the easy lies of the regime are losing power. "Diversity is our greatest strength" doesn't ring true to a white computer engineer who's out of work. It sounds like bullshit.

Because it is.

The truth will out.

 

[uptownlivin90]

This is the fundemental problem with multiculturalism: you and people like you. You are the reason why this nation has a race problem at all. Racism is not a natural occurance in matter of fact our modern perception of "race" is a constructed web of lies, misconceptions, and fairy tales formulated back during the crusades and the beginning of the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade. There's really not much evidence to suggest that "race" in it's classical sense exists, and there are various arguments about what classifies a "race" how many races their are, and who is apart of what race. It's really all just silliness.

Lil' ol' me?

Wow! How I only WISH I had that type of power.

I am going to be honest with you, uptown. I don't think it's "people like me" who are the problem. I think that if anything, people "like me" are NOT the problem -- I am polite, law-abiding, reasonable and friendly to all I meet. I am a terminal WASP.

You probably imagine that I am a muscle-bound skinhead with swastika tattoos who growls his way down the street, or a redneck who can't read and complains about "them *******". Sorry to disappoint. I'm a San Francisco-born, world-traveled lawyer from a family of Ivy Leaguers. My interest in what's happening to whites is confined to books, the Internet, publications and gatherings like American Renaissance. A few little legal actions here and there as protest.

In other words, I'm the worst nightmare of a system that seeks to dispossess and displace whites.

MUCH BETTER if I were marching around in a costume-store Nazi get-up. Then people would be able to laugh me off.

But the left wing, the neocons, the minority racists and the rest AREN'T laughing us off. They're using death threats to shut us down, as can be seen by the cancellation of this year's American Renaissance conference.

I think it must be very convenient or reassuring to believe that the failure of multiracialism is the fault of about two or three hundred "professional racists" like David Duke or Khalid Muhammad. And if we just got rid of those guys, we'd all melt together in a big pile of multicultural love-goo.

No, that will not happen.

The problem with multiracialism is MULTIRACIALISM ITSELF. It's dysfunctional. It doesn't work.

It's the masses of whites, the masses of blacks, the masses of Hispanics, etc. don't get along well with each other and try to steer clear of each other. The fact that you get along at work with some whites (or I blacks) is evidence of very little. That's like saying that all marriages that haven't yet ended in divorce must be pretty good... because they haven't ended in divorce. People commendably labor to make things work relationship-wise, but it doesn't mean they have natural affinity for each other, or that they make for a natural society.

What is the great magic of forcing groups that clearly don't like each other to live with each other? If, as you say, race is a bogus concept, well then that might argue FOR the legitimacy of separation along arbitrary lines, eh?

But race isn't a bogus concept. It's very real. The fact that it's got some flexibility as a concept doesn't impress me much. Most concepts are things that occur along a spectrum... it doesn't mean we can't make decisions and draw lines. In fact, life requires it.

And nota bene --- you and your gang don't believe for a minute that race isn't a legitimate construct. You FULLY believe in race, because you believe that whites are at the root of all problems, right? You guys only want to say "race does not exist" when WHITES TAKE NOTICE OF IT -- but never when you do.

That's hypocrisy.

The truth is that whites are a diverse but distinct human group that deserves to direct its own destiny and live in peace.

Race riots, affirmative action, open borders... that's not peace. That's not self-direction.

Whites today are terrified of even mentioning they exist. They spend their lives walking on eggshells so as not to offend blacks or Hispanics or Jews. They bend over backward to pacify these groups... and it never even seems to work. The more whites give blacks, the angrier blacks get.

Obama's not changing that. He's making it worse.

Multiracialism is a bigger failure than even communism. It's probably resulted in even more wasted resources, human stress, and misdirected lives.

We need to at least RETHINK our direction.

Our entire narrative on race in America is tightly restricted, tightly scripted. There are only a few pre-pressed things you can say: "Let's all get along." "Diversity is our greatest strength." "We're all one race, the human race."

Like they say, Orwell was an optimist.

The whole "diversity" thing just reeks of 1984ism. Big posters all over in government offices -- I see them everywhere.

Meanwhile, the truth just beneath is the complete opposite.

Races are real. They are different. And our best lives are in societies where we're compatible with our fellows.

That's the truth I'm resting on.

I realize that racial separation sounds like an impossible idea. But we could at least "remove the tourniquet", so to speak, and remove the laws and policies that force togetherness.

"Together-teid", Fred Reed called it, echoing "apartheid."

My prediction, uptown, is that ideas like mine -- and "people like me" -- aren't a sign of the past. They're a part of the future. Whites have suffered through all this bullshit with few complaints, perhaps because the economy's always been strong and they could soak their frustrations in materialism.

Guess what?

That's coming to an end. Whites are out of work. They can't keep up. They see all the power positions going to non-whites. The jobs off-shored. They see they're attacked by black criminals. They see Hispanics urinate on trees while milling around for day labor. Meanwhile, their sons and daughters die in the middle east for what reason, nobody can figure out.

We are clearly off-track here.

And whites are getting pushed into a place where the easy lies of the regime are losing power. "Diversity is our greatest strength" doesn't ring true to a white computer engineer who's out of work. It sounds like bullshit.

Because it is.

The truth will out.

Hey guess what...

Turns out:

Everyone is facing unemployment. Moreso amongst minority communities where the unemployment rate is significantly higher then in most white areas.

Everyone is loosing jobs.

Everyone sufers from an open border.

Everyone is suffering from this war. It is absolutely shameful and disgraceful to assert that only white parents are sending their children to war and wonder for what. I'm currently on Delayed Entry waiting to go to basic training for the air force within the next few months. I've lost two friends, a cousin in Iraq and an uncle in Afghanistan. Currently know four people serving in Afghanistan. My nephew is training to be a marine. Does their service mean nothing or anything less then the service of whites?

Here's the whole problem with your little whiney rant which I actually thought was beneath you, (quite frankly I never thought that you WERE a southern redneck bigot). No matter how horrific and "dysfunctional" "multiculturalism" is, the vast majority of PEOPLE in this nation are the children of immigrants. Immigrants who came here to live in this horrific dysfunction, blacks, whites, hispanics, and asians and who still come here, and not only come here but send their children consistently to FIGHT and DIE to protect this horrific dysfunction, right or wrong.

You've named a long list of grievences, 99% of which are grievences that every racial group in this nation has. What should be said to the white computer engineer who lost his job? The same thing that should be said to the black computer engineer who's lost his job. Black and white, they're not facing the same human experience. Unfortunetly, and get this, get this one real good, it takes a person "like you" to exploit the fears of both individuals and to divide in their time of personal turmoil.

You have an argument that sounds good to the distrought but holds no water and based in nothing but your own preconcieved notion of what race is and what different races are like. I see it all the time, ask a racist, NOI, Ayran Nation or whoever to back up their position with solid fact, you get rhetoric.

Oh, there's unemployed white people. So the Hell what?

Jobs are going overseas. So the Hell what?

People commit crimes. So the Hell what?

WE ARE GOING OFF TOPIC. Your right about that, but the reason we are going off topic is because going off topic is neccesary for people "like you" to sound the least bit sane and believable. Baseless RHETORIC is the best friend of people "like you". You cannot prove that ethnic nationalism has worked anywhere else but on paper. You cannot prove that whites are a superior race. You cannot prove that your concept of race even exists in the scientific realm. So instead of admitting that you've now go on a boo-hoo poor white males tangent, and taken every grievences that comes with a part of aborken system that effects everybody and singled out white males attributing a faulty economy, broken criminal justice system, and broken political system to multiculturalism.

It's how the college educated white supremecist is able to go to the swamplands of Mississippi where I grew up and sell their bullshit to like you said, the frustrated unemployed white computer engineer. It's how the college educated black supremecist is able to go to the inner city and sell their bullshit to the frustrated unemployed black computer engineer. It is a sick rhetorical trick, and it works this way, once we can get you to loose your identity as an individual we now have control over you because we can successfully cause to to identify yourself as a race and apart of a great body before you identify yourself as a person with needs and concerns of your own.

It's very well thoguht out exploitation. Because people, not white people, black people, hispanic people or any other type of people, just PEOPLE, aren't very smart. And when they get frustrated they'll believe anything. Like the reason they're unemployed is because the lazy ****** welfare queens have all the power now. Or because they pay taxes that pay for ******* to stay at home and watch Maury. If you pay taxes to let ******* stay home and watch Maury, so do I since I have a job, and everyone in my home over 18 works for a living. I pay taxes for people to be on welfare, some of them I'd rather not pay for, not because of their color, but because of them being straight up lazy. There are plenty of whites on welfare, again just go to Mississippi.

Your arguments don't hold water, because they make absolutely NO SENSE. Listening to you I don't know whether I as a negro should be preparing to take over Goldman-Sachs and use my riches and power to oppress the white male, or have three teeth live in the back of my cadillac and get locked up for not paying child support for my five kids I had out of wedlock. It's rediculous. Thank God YHWH I was born with enough common sense not to let people tell me what I should and shouldn't be doing.

I'll say it one more time, though:
"This is the fundemental problem with multiculturalism: you and people like you."

 

[William Joyce]

You've named a long list of grievences, 99% of which are grievences that every racial group in this nation has.

I disagree. Hispanics DO NOT have open borders as a grievance... that's a "plus" for them (though blacks are hurt by open borders too -- a dirty little secret that doesn't get talked about). Blacks and Hispanics DO NOT have affirmative action as a grievance -- that HELPS them. The social congratulations, tax money, etc. heaped on La Raza, NAACP, etc. is NOT a gripe for non-whites -- it's a plus. Yes, there are non-whites who serve in the military... but of combat deaths, it does skew white.

I concede that the terrible economy hurts folks of all races.

But I maintain that the injustices faced by whites otherwise ARE UNIQUE TO WHITES.

And whites are ABSOLUTELY UNIQUE in that they, and only they, are strictly forbidden from even discussing or thinking about their plight. Shelby Steele said as much in the Wall Street Journal a few years back. If you've never heard of him, he's a black writer.

Steele, of course, didn't think this was so bad.

But he at least admitted the fact of it.

We spend all day and all night talking about black this and black that. We NEVER talk about whites and what they're facing. There is NOT ONE SINGLE REPUBLICAN MEMBER OF CONGRESS WHO WOULD EVER EVEN SAY THE 'W' WORD IN A POSITIVE WAY!

Think about that!

Surely you can concede this, uptown.

 

[casper4020322]

What I don't understand Mr Joyce is are you prejudiced against non-whites or not? You've lived in this country all of your life, I assume, so you should know that Blacks and other non-whites had been denied the same rights as Whites for many, many years. Non-Whites could not go through the front doors of restaurants, use the same bathrooms, drink out of the same water fountains, the list goes on and on. Are you angry that now they can? Are you angry that programs such as Affirmative Action was implemented so that non-whites could make a decent living and walk through the front door of a restaurant like you and other Whites? Would you rather see non-whites only doing menial jobs and fearfully watching out the livingroom window at a burning cross in their front yard? Or having their children run home with tears streaming down their faces because the school bus they were on was pelted with rocks while being called ****** and Monkey? I don't get it. You complain about the plight of the White race but at the same time you are a nice guy who is friends with everyone...White and Non-White.

 

[uptownlivin90]

You've named a long list of grievences, 99% of which are grievences that every racial group in this nation has.

I disagree. Hispanics DO NOT have open borders as a grievance...that's a "plus" for them (though blacks are hurt by open borders too -- a dirty little secret that doesn't get talked about). Blacks and Hispanics DO NOT have affirmative action as a grievance -- that HELPS them. The social congratulations, tax money, etc. heaped on La Raza, NAACP, etc. is NOT a gripe for non-whites -- it's a plus. Yes, there are non-whites who serve in the military... but of combat deaths, it does skew white.

I concede that the terrible economy hurts folks of all races.

But I maintain that the injustices faced by whites otherwise ARE UNIQUE TO WHITES.

And whites are ABSOLUTELY UNIQUE in that they, and only they, are strictly forbidden from even discussing or thinking about their plight. Shelby Steele said as much in the Wall Street Journal a few years back. If you've never heard of him, he's a black writer.

Steele, of course, didn't think this was so bad.

But he at least admitted the fact of it.

We spend all day and all night talking about black this and black that. We NEVER talk about whites and what they're facing. There is NOT ONE SINGLE REPUBLICAN MEMBER OF CONGRESS WHO WOULD EVER EVEN SAY THE 'W' WORD IN A POSITIVE WAY!

Think about that!

Surely you can concede this, uptown.

I will not concede first and foremost that hispanics that are the children of legal immigrants do not have open borders as a grievence. That specifically benefits one group of people, those who'd enter this country illegally, for whatever reason. It effects negatively the whole nation, (and yes I'm fully aware of the dirty little secret that doesn't get talked about).

As for Affirmative Action and forced quotas I recognized that as a fraud from the beginning, and in retrospect both institutions do very little to "level the playing field". The debate on AA is a long one, though, I'd submit that it in itself has had little effect on either race, black or white. There's one case in Michigan that was thrown out that was used to make AA to look like some evil against whites, however the facts of the case didn't add up and didn't suggest that it was a case of a brilliant white student being denied entry into a school for an ignorant negro that just "slid by".

Being that I'm not a member of the NAACP and truthfully don't think I know any, I can't speak to the last one.

As for combat deaths there are more whites in the military, as there are more whites in the United States. There's obviously going to be more white deaths, that's just a given and comes with being the majority. The Taliban is not seeking out certain Americans to kill from what I'm gathering.

As for you being forbidden to discuss the plight of the white male, I don't see this at all. I see the news now discussing more and more the plight of the middle class working white male and it really began largely with the Democratic Primary when Hillary ran campaigning to be the white working class' new representative. Since then the focus with the failure of this economy has been on the plight of the working class white male.

There has not been a large focus on the militarization of public schools in minority areas, the plight of urban American, the economic effect that industries leaving Michigan has had on inner city Detroit, the war on drugs and how the situation in Mexico is becoming even more of a problem on the East Coast, and the dirty little secret that you mentioned that's been going on for years on the west coast which for a while was becoming damn near a Mexican driven ethnic cleansing in the inner cities.

Now I'm not so much complaining about that as I am simply pointing out that the plight of the white male HAS been largely covered even in the MSM which doesn't do a good job of covering almost anything. However, where I think your anger comes in is where no one considered mainstream, or respected as at all sane, will stand on television and make the plight of the white working class a racist conspiracy caused by people in the mostly white-run US government that warrants an ethnic nationalist movement. The plight of middle class whites while covered, won't be covered in the light of them being oppressed "by the man" or that such a plight is the result of multiculturalism or the fact that your forced to live in the same nation as so-called negros, the facts don't add up to support this. They just don't.

 

[William Joyce]

What I don't understand Mr Joyce is are you prejudiced against non-whites or not? You've lived in this country all of your life, I assume, so you should know that Blacks and other non-whites had been denied the same rights as Whites for many, many years. Non-Whites could not go through the front doors of restaurants, use the same bathrooms, drink out of the same water fountains, the list goes on and on. Are you angry that now they can? Are you angry that programs such as Affirmative Action was implemented so that non-whites could make a decent living and walk through the front door of a restaurant like you and other Whites? Would you rather see non-whites only doing menial jobs and fearfully watching out the livingroom window at a burning cross in their front yard? Or having their children run home with tears streaming down their faces because the school bus they were on was pelted with rocks while being called ****** and Monkey? I don't get it. You complain about the plight of the White race but at the same time you are a nice guy who is friends with everyone...White and Non-White.

I don't wish suffering or injustice on any race, or any person of any race.

My big point is that in the multiracial society, conflict is inevitable. And it's not because whites are bad and every other race is good. It's because evolution has programmed us differently.

Blacks have been on the receiving end of bad treatment, historically.

Today, it's whites.

But pointing this out is like screaming into the wind.

If you'd lived 200 years ago and suggested that slavery was wrong (which it was), everyone would laugh at you. Call you a moron, an evil person, etc. Why? Because everyone was brainwashed not to see a problem with slavery. It was just "the thing."

Today, "the thing" is so-called equality, diversity, multiculturalism.

Nobody questions it.

It's "the thing".

Big deal. I'm questioning it. I'm criticizing it. I'm pointing out that it's mostly a scam to screw whites.

 

[William Joyce]

As for you being forbidden to discuss the plight of the white male, I don't see this at all.

I do.

Last weekend, the once-every-two-years American Renaissance conference was shut down by death threats:

VDARE.com: Blog Articles More On American Renaissance Conference Shut Down By Death Threats And Harrassment

You don't SEE IT because it doesn't get reported in the press, and there's a reason for that: the press does not like the idea of a group of whites getting together to talk ABOUT WHITES in a positive way, i.e., a group of people with rights. They call that "white supremacists gather in Virginia" or "coat-and-tie Klansmen meet" or some such.

Can you imagine what would have happened if the NAACP tried to hold a conference at the Hilton, and radical whites threatened the employees of the hotel with death, thus causing them to shut down the conference?

Think about that for a second.

It would be national news in a nanosecond.

Law enforcement would go into overdrive.

Jesse and Al would scream non-stop... and they'd get a hearing, too.

Jared Taylor gets no hearing.

We get no hearing.

We call the police, and they laugh. "Fucking Nazis, who cares about your stupid meeting? Ha ha."

I go to these conferences. I did not go anywhere this year, as you can see. I constantly get called a "cowardly keyboard racist" by the people at USMB. Once, I offered that I'd be at this conference, which is open to anyone, if anyone wanted to meet "William Joyce" in person.

Nobody responded, naturally.

But now I can't even offer this up.

When Hillary mentioned whites during the campaign, she caught hell for it. And she lost. To a black man.

Imagine if a Republican had appealed openly to whites. The first ones calling for his head would be his fellow Republicans. That's how it is these days. Blacks, Hispanics and other groups spend most of their time advocating for THEMSELVES as racial groups, while whites -- even the Tea Partiers -- spend most of their energy denying that they're racist.

Something's off here, uptown. I don't expect you to agree. When things are going well for your team, you never have a beef with the officiating. But I am doing my damndest to point it out to other white people.

 

[Working Man]

Why is Paterson from New York being tossed under the bus? He seems nice enough. I wouldn't say he is any better, or worse than other governors in the region.

Could it be that the liberals who dominate New York's power elite, are really not that open to having a black governor for themselves?

The charges that he was involved in the strong arming of an aid seems to be very unfortunate for him, but the timing of the press releases make me wonder if there is something else going on. It seems like the cards are being stacked against him.

 

[JW Frogen]

The first time I saw a picture of Patterson I thought he was blind drunk, I did not know he was blind blind.

I said to myself "what a champion! Drunk at a photo op!"

I would have followed this guy into hell.

Please some one tell me he is a blind blind drunk blind.

 

[JW Frogen]

This is how I looked at my wedding too.

 

[Working Man]

I agree, he looks oh so much better without his beard. But then, I too could probably score a free bowl of soup, and a sandwich, if I went downtown with with my salt and pepper beard too!!

 

[casper4020322]

What I don't understand Mr Joyce is are you prejudiced against non-whites or not? You've lived in this country all of your life, I assume, so you should know that Blacks and other non-whites had been denied the same rights as Whites for many, many years. Non-Whites could not go through the front doors of restaurants, use the same bathrooms, drink out of the same water fountains, the list goes on and on. Are you angry that now they can? Are you angry that programs such as Affirmative Action was implemented so that non-whites could make a decent living and walk through the front door of a restaurant like you and other Whites? Would you rather see non-whites only doing menial jobs and fearfully watching out the livingroom window at a burning cross in their front yard? Or having their children run home with tears streaming down their faces because the school bus they were on was pelted with rocks while being called ****** and Monkey? I don't get it. You complain about the plight of the White race but at the same time you are a nice guy who is friends with everyone...White and Non-White.

I don't wish suffering or injustice on any race, or any person of any race.

My big point is that in the multiracial society, conflict is inevitable. And it's not because whites are bad and every other race is good. It's because evolution has programmed us differently.

Blacks have been on the receiving end of bad treatment, historically.

Today, it's whites.

But pointing this out is like screaming into the wind.

If you'd lived 200 years ago and suggested that slavery was wrong (which it was), everyone would laugh at you. Call you a moron, an evil person, etc. Why? Because everyone was brainwashed not to see a problem with slavery. It was just "the thing."

Today, "the thing" is so-called equality, diversity, multiculturalism.

Nobody questions it.

It's "the thing".

Big deal. I'm questioning it. I'm criticizing it. I'm pointing out that it's mostly a scam to screw whites.

Mr Joyce, like me you come on here to voice your opinion and I respect that. When I first got hired at the job I am at now, which was in 1989, I had no idea it was because of Affirmative Action. Call me dumb but it's the truth. I am not making excuses but if not for that program I would not have the job I have now and I have been employed there for 20 yrs. Frankly, I don't believe AA was the reason I got this job but the Almighty. You see, we as humans do not control anything that goes on in this world although most of us think we do. I truly believe that AA had not a thing to do with the job I was hired for b/c the Almighty had already decided that I would work for that agency. To say that Whites are getting screwed b/c of AA is ludicrious. The Almighty has already determined everyone's fate in life even though we have free will and can make our own choices. Do you disagree?

 

[Working Man]

I work within a large, diverse group of people. There have never been any issues between the races, or sexes. However, since the last presidential election, there are subtle changes occurring on how blacks and whites socialize with each other. "People of color" (blacks) seem to break, and dine, with other people of color more often now. People are still professional to each other, for the most part, but it isn't as "easy going "as before.

The election of Obama to the Presidency is a major change for America and was needed for the ultimate growth of our country. Maybe time will help people adjust to the change and things will mellow out.

 

[JW Frogen]

Maybe they never liked your gray meat ass at all but were kissing it anyway and now thought there is a brother in the White House (or Black Shack) we don't have to have lunch with ****** anymore?

I know when Nixon got elected I stopped telling the truth.

 

[Conspiracist]

I work within a large, diverse group of people. There have never been any issues between the races, or sexes. However, since the last presidential election, there are subtle changes occurring on how blacks and whites socialize with each other. "People of color" (blacks) seem to break, and dine, with other people of color more often now. People are still professional to each other, for the most part, but it isn't as "easy going "as before.

The election of Obama to the Presidency is a major change for America and was needed for the ultimate growth of our country. Maybe time will help people adjust to the change and things will mellow out.

I too have noticed exactly what youre talking about. After 9/11 relations loosened up greatly on the job. After Obama's election they fell down. I was never able to understand why they fell back again.

 

[William Joyce]

To say that Whites are getting screwed b/c of AA is ludicrious.

If I can't persuade you that whites are hurt by affirmative action, I can't persuade you of anything.

 

[casper4020322]

To say that Whites are getting screwed b/c of AA is ludicrious.

If I can't persuade you that whites are hurt by affirmative action, I can't persuade you of anything.

Yes you can...you can persuade me that you are a Christian and God fearing man who believes that God has a plan for all of us and that one day we are not going to care about Affirmative Action or anything else that will keep us as Human beings from loving one another. Let me ask you this: if you had a teenage daughter who brought home a Black or Hispanic teenage boy would you allow her to date him?