You Don't Own Me

[g5000]

Romney has not supported equal pay for women (The Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act).

Fallacy of the excluded middle. Just because someone does not support Lily Ledbetter does not mean they are opposed to equal pay for equal work.


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[WorldWatcher]

Women constitute more than half of the population. In 2008, 60% of voters were women. It is estimated that 10 million more women than men will vote in this election. Despite this, women make up only 16% of Congress.

So if women aren't voting for other women, what's the problem?

Are you asking for Congressional Affirmative Action and require mandatory seating buy gender?

Women earn only 70 cents to each dollar men make.

It's already illegal to pay women differently for the same work with the same experience.

The problem is that women normally assume the role of primary care giver so they take time off to have babies and to care for sick children. That takes them out of the workforce. Now they have broken employment or take lower paying more stable jobs to support the home.

My wife makes about 2/3rds of what I do. We made the decision that she would work lower paying stable jobs while I traveled a lot. Then when we relocated she had to start over with a new employer.

The 70 cents on the dollar is a nice emotional tug, but the reasons need to be examined.

Women of color and undocumented women make less than white citizens.

For comparable education and the same jobs?

Again, it points to the emotional position, but fails to examine the cause of such actions.


BTW - "Undocumented women" - meaning "Illegal Aliens" SHOULD make less than citizens (I don't care about their gender or race) because they are ILLEGAL. They shouldn't be making anything.

Mitt Romney and the Republican Party are determined to overturn Roe V. Wade.

True

Romney has not supported equal pay for women (The Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act).

To be determined.

My understanding is that this is attributed to an aide and not to anything from a Romney speech.

Romney has vowed to defund Planned Parenthood.

True

Romney has vowed to repeal the Affordable Care Act.

True

Romney doesn't want health care to cover birth control.

False.

Romney doesn't want the government to require health care cover birth control. That's not saying that he doesn't want health care to cover birth control. Two very different things.

I don't think Romney has any problem with an employer choosing to offer birth control as part of their employee health care insurance if they wish.

Romney says same sex marriage should be banned with a Constitutional Amendment.

Personally I think he's pretty weak on this. I think he's throwing read meat to the social authoritarians for a check in the box during the primaries. He was the governor of the first state to legalize Same-sex Civil Marriage for Christ's sake.

A Federal Marriage Amendment couldn't make it through Congress in the 2000 to 2004 time frame when there was much more support, there is no way it would (a) pass Congress now to invalidate the Civil Marriage from 6 States and DC, and (b) pass the required 3/4 of the states to invalidate the Civil Marriages from 6 States and DC.



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[uscitizen]

really? two rightie justices won't overturn roe?

coulda fooled me.

the GOP has been using our courts to pay back the religious right for their support since reagan.

the chance to appoint right wing supreme court justices is a main reason many are voting for Romney.
Preachers are preaching it.

btw at one time not so many years ago it was determined that women in the USA controlled more money than men did.

and that is the main reason i won't vote for a republican on a federal level.

Yes and the right are the ones who claim judicial activism by the left.
They are the party of projectionism.

 

[jillian]

the chance to appoint right wing supreme court justices is a main reason many are voting for Romney.
Preachers are preaching it.

btw at one time not so many years ago it was determined that women in the USA controlled more money than men did.

and that is the main reason i won't vote for a republican on a federal level.

Yes and the right are the ones who claim judicial activism by the left.
They are the party of projectionism.

well said! i like that.

 

[Uncensored2008]

and that is the main reason i won't vote for a republican on a federal level.

Well that, and the fact that you're a mindless partisan hack, Rosie.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Liberal women trying to play the va-jay-jay into their version of gun ban political ferver.

 

[OKTexas]

Wasn't that a Supreme Court thang?

It's not like Republicans will snap their fingers and *poof* it's gone.

Relax.

Even if they do over turn Roe V wade, It simply sends the issue back to the states.

which, given that federal constitutional rights are SUPPOSED to belong to everyone, regardless of state (think desegregation), means you're overturning roe.

what i find most interesting is how vested rightwing men are in depriving women of control over their own bodies.

Ya think it might be because they have NO choice in the matter, the woman can kill the kid that he may want, or make him pay for decades for one he may not want. This is not just a womans issue.

 

[OKTexas]

undocumented women make less than white citizens

Well thank God we are doing something right! I can't believe someone is actually bitching that illegal aliens don't make as much as US citizens! Holy shit!


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Yep, especially when illegals working is a crime in itself.

 

[koshergrl]

which, given that federal constitutional rights are SUPPOSED to belong to everyone, regardless of state (think desegregation), means you're overturning roe.

what i find most interesting is how vested rightwing men are in depriving women of control over their own bodies.

You might ask yourself why leftwing men want you to kill your babies, if you're into questioning motives.

allie, seriously, please don't turn my thread into one of your tantrums on this issue. i'm more interested in looking at the politics and legalities.

thanks

Jillie, seriously, what nonsense. If that were true you wouldn't have said rightwing men want to rule your vagina.

I mean, is that legal terminology..or is that you having a tantrum? Cuz it sounds a lot like what you are saying is "only I get to indulge in snotty rhetoric".

So why do you think leftwing men are so committed to killing in utero?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Jillie, seriously, what nonsense. If that were true you wouldn't have said rightwing men want to rule your vagina.

I mean, is that legal terminology..or is that you having a tantrum? Cuz it sounds a lot like what you are saying is "only I get to indulge in snotty rhetoric".

So why do you think leftwing men are so committed to killing in utero?

Rosie is a mindless, partisan hack. Her guy is losing. That is the only explanation needed.

Standard Disclaimer: I simply can't envision Jillian as anything other than;

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Women constitute more than half of the population. In 2008, 60% of voters were women. It is estimated that 10 million more women than men will vote in this election. Despite this, women make up only 16% of Congress. Women earn only 70 cents to each dollar men make. Women of color and undocumented women make less than white citizens. Mitt Romney and the Republican Party are determined to overturn Roe V. Wade. Romney has not supported equal pay for women (The Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act). Romney has vowed to defund Planned Parenthood. Romney has vowed to repeal the Affordable Care Act. Romney doesn't want health care to cover birth control. Romney says same sex marriage should be banned with a Constitutional Amendment.

"You Don't Own Me" PSA on Vimeo

Nice to see you finally realizing how pathetic Obama's attempts to control you are.

 

[tooAlive]

Wasn't that a Supreme Court thang?

It's not like Republicans will snap their fingers and *poof* it's gone.

Relax.

Even if they do over turn Roe V wade, It simply sends the issue back to the states.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Wasn't that a Supreme Court thang?

It's not like Republicans will snap their fingers and *poof* it's gone.

Relax.

really? two rightie justices won't overturn roe?

coulda fooled me.

the GOP has been using our courts to pay back the religious right for their support since reagan.

Ever wonder why Laurence Tribe thinks Roe is a bad decision?

 

[Amazed]

Honey we WANT you to keep killing your children....you procreating is terrifying.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

which, given that federal constitutional rights are SUPPOSED to belong to everyone, regardless of state (think desegregation), means you're overturning roe.

what i find most interesting is how vested rightwing men are in depriving women of control over their own bodies.

You might ask yourself why leftwing men want you to kill your babies, if you're into questioning motives.

allie, seriously, please don't turn my thread into one of your tantrums on this issue. i'm more interested in looking at the politics and legalities.

thanks

I hate to point out the obvious here, but that is part of the politics.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

really? two rightie justices won't overturn roe?

coulda fooled me.

the GOP has been using our courts to pay back the religious right for their support since reagan.

Which laws have the SCOTUS created on behalf of the "religious right," Rosie?

Employment Division v Smith.

Wait...

 

[Quantum Windbag]

really? two rightie justices won't overturn roe?

coulda fooled me.

I think Roe should be overturned and I'm pro-choice. Chew on that one for a bit.

Roe was a very poorly decided case (Justice Ginsberg agrees). It is probably the most notorious case of pure judicial activism where the court took it upon themselves to invent a right that does not exist in the Constitution. Overturning Roe would not outlaw abortion. It would simply kick the decision back to the states where it always was and should be today. The vast majority of states are going to keep abortion legal regardless of the status of Roe.

the GOP has been using our courts to pay back the religious right for their support since reagan

And yet it doesn't bother you in the least that the left has been using our courts to push a socialist, progressive agenda for far longer.

I have actually been thinking about a thread detailing why Roe is wrong, I want to finish Tribe's book first.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Romney has not supported equal pay for women (The Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act).

Fallacy of the excluded middle. Just because someone does not support Lily Ledbetter does not mean they are opposed to equal pay for equal work.


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Especially when you factor in the fact that LLEPA isn't about equal pay.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

the chance to appoint right wing supreme court justices is a main reason many are voting for Romney.
Preachers are preaching it.

btw at one time not so many years ago it was determined that women in the USA controlled more money than men did.

and that is the main reason i won't vote for a republican on a federal level.

Yes and the right are the ones who claim judicial activism by the left.
They are the party of projectionism.

There is more judicial activism from the left than the right.

 

[jillian]

and that is the main reason i won't vote for a republican on a federal level.

Yes and the right are the ones who claim judicial activism by the left.
They are the party of projectionism.

There is more judicial activism from the left than the right.

the two worst cases of judicial activism that i know of were bush v gore and citizen's united.

so you were saying?