Yikes... There's an idiot in the Knesset... Surprised? Nah!

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LOL, no, the premise of your question is a fallacy and so until we clear that up there really can't be much of an answer.

Your sneaking up on admitting there is no such thing as palestinians just like there is not such thing as Atlantians.

If I asked you to assign rights to Atlantians and grant them a homeland within your capitol how would you respond ?

The premise of my question is not a fallacy.

IF the Atlantians had been driven out or expelled from their homeland - in a situation similar to that of the quagmire that is the Mandate/Palestine/Israel - then yes, they would have the same rights as the Palestinians. If they had long standing roots in that region - then yes, again.

I could argue that once upon a time there must have been a continent named Atlantis and that people must have lived there known as Atlantians. You yourself have said recently that the time frame is irrelevant. We could pick some people based on location only and say they are the descendants of these Atlantians and they are deserving of rights.

We could build an entire myth based off your criteria for the pali's and apply it to anyone anywhere. And demand answers.

Accept the two aren't really comparable. Palestine has long been a named region that exists. Real people inhabit it - what ever name you give it and what ever name you give the region. The evidence for the existance of both the region and the people is clear.

There has never been solid evidence for Atlantis, it doesn't exist in today's world. If someone wanted to claim descendency they would have to prove it. They'd have to actually locate Atlantis before they could claim any sort of state, and then make a case for it. I have no problem with that but I doubt it would go very far...in fact...reminds me of Emperor Norton of San Francisco. Anyone can make a case for being a people and having seperatist or nationalist rights, it happens all the time. Some will have stronger claims than others.

Sorry but you are going to have to find some justification for awarding more Arab Muslims more land and why it should be sliced from Israel. Because so far the only justification seems to be racism and bigotry.

The grouping you call "Arab Muslims" is a comglomerate of many different cultures. The Palestinians are one of those and, frankly, they've lived on the land for centuries, regardless of what you call them.

Who decides what is a people?
What makes a culture distinct enough?

You might be able to claim decades but not centuries. The vast majority of Arab Muslims in the mandated area arrived in the early 20th century

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I'll agree they come from a variety of backgrounds, according to Monty many if not most from Europe, although he didn't mean to reveal it.

But your effort to create a nation for a people of no particular nationality is disingenuous at best. If this was an honest effort I'd think you'd be pushing for them to have a nation where there is room for them to have a nation. say the Sinai.

Also you ignored my previous which addresses the fact that on an individual basis no reasonable determination has ever been made as to who is a combatant and who is a protected person

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I think you meant to say "a person isn't necessarily a nation "

You seem fixated on individual rights. But those individual rights are based on ones individual actions. A criminal might lose their rights in a similar way a combatants will forfeit their status as a protected person.

The UNWRA has refused under any circumstances to segregate combatants from protected persons in the middle east conflict.

So unless you address the issue of assigning wartime status under the Geneva Conventions to the Arab Muslims individually then its not only unreasonable but disingenuous to assign them rights collectively given their propensity towards violence
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[Indeependent]

Still ducking. They are straightforward questions since you make the claim they aren't a people. Thus far, you can't seem to answer them though Susha did. You might want to look up the meaning of strawman while you are at it.

I have said they weren't a people when you claim they were a people, and I also state they were a people made up in order to serve the needs of propaganda aimed at low functioning leftists.

I have never said they aren't a people.

So what are you saying? That they weren't a people at some point but are a people now? Your statement doesn't make much sense. Are they are aren't they?

There is less difference in their customs compared to other Arabs as there are differences between Texans and Oregonians, but we have no need here to make up some fictitious "Oregonian" identity here complete with a retroactive history just so we can fool the easily fooled into doing our bidding. If we did so, however, and if we ingrained our children in our supposed distinctness long enough, in a couple of generations voila!

There are many peoples with very little difference from one another, but no one accuses them of not being a people when they claim they are. At what point are a people a people - what and who determines that?

If we did that, however, only a completely dishonest person 50 years from now would try to claim were were a distinct people today or attempt all sort of straw man dodges calculated to distract away from those who pointed out the truth as to why we were created and what purposes that served. .

Every "people" had to start somewhere. So the Palestinians incorporated their identity as a people relatively recently - so what? They'd lived there for ages, they have roots in the area from which they took the name - why should it be an issue?

Why don't you define for us the 20th Century standards of being a nation.

 

[Indeependent]

Still ducking. They are straightforward questions since you make the claim they aren't a people. Thus far, you can't seem to answer them though Susha did. You might want to look up the meaning of strawman while you are at it.

I have said they weren't a people when you claim they were a people, and I also state they were a people made up in order to serve the needs of propaganda aimed at low functioning leftists.

I have never said they aren't a people.

So what are you saying? That they weren't a people at some point but are a people now? Your statement doesn't make much sense. Are they are aren't they?

There is less difference in their customs compared to other Arabs as there are differences between Texans and Oregonians, but we have no need here to make up some fictitious "Oregonian" identity here complete with a retroactive history just so we can fool the easily fooled into doing our bidding. If we did so, however, and if we ingrained our children in our supposed distinctness long enough, in a couple of generations voila!

There are many peoples with very little difference from one another, but no one accuses them of not being a people when they claim they are. At what point are a people a people - what and who determines that?

If we did that, however, only a completely dishonest person 50 years from now would try to claim were were a distinct people today or attempt all sort of straw man dodges calculated to distract away from those who pointed out the truth as to why we were created and what purposes that served. .

Every "people" had to start somewhere. So the Palestinians incorporated their identity as a people relatively recently - so what? They'd lived there for ages, they have roots in the area from which they took the name - why should it be an issue?

Why don't you define for us the 20th Century standards of being a nation.

 

[Coyote]

Still ducking. They are straightforward questions since you make the claim they aren't a people. Thus far, you can't seem to answer them though Susha did. You might want to look up the meaning of strawman while you are at it.

I have said they weren't a people when you claim they were a people, and I also state they were a people made up in order to serve the needs of propaganda aimed at low functioning leftists.

I have never said they aren't a people.

So what are you saying? That they weren't a people at some point but are a people now? Your statement doesn't make much sense. Are they are aren't they?

There is less difference in their customs compared to other Arabs as there are differences between Texans and Oregonians, but we have no need here to make up some fictitious "Oregonian" identity here complete with a retroactive history just so we can fool the easily fooled into doing our bidding. If we did so, however, and if we ingrained our children in our supposed distinctness long enough, in a couple of generations voila!

There are many peoples with very little difference from one another, but no one accuses them of not being a people when they claim they are. At what point are a people a people - what and who determines that?

If we did that, however, only a completely dishonest person 50 years from now would try to claim were were a distinct people today or attempt all sort of straw man dodges calculated to distract away from those who pointed out the truth as to why we were created and what purposes that served. .

Every "people" had to start somewhere. So the Palestinians incorporated their identity as a people relatively recently - so what? They'd lived there for ages, they have roots in the area from which they took the name - why should it be an issue?

Why don't you define for us the 20th Century standards of being a nation.

What does that have to do with being a people?

 

[Indeependent]

Still ducking. They are straightforward questions since you make the claim they aren't a people. Thus far, you can't seem to answer them though Susha did. You might want to look up the meaning of strawman while you are at it.

I have said they weren't a people when you claim they were a people, and I also state they were a people made up in order to serve the needs of propaganda aimed at low functioning leftists.

I have never said they aren't a people.

So what are you saying? That they weren't a people at some point but are a people now? Your statement doesn't make much sense. Are they are aren't they?

There is less difference in their customs compared to other Arabs as there are differences between Texans and Oregonians, but we have no need here to make up some fictitious "Oregonian" identity here complete with a retroactive history just so we can fool the easily fooled into doing our bidding. If we did so, however, and if we ingrained our children in our supposed distinctness long enough, in a couple of generations voila!

There are many peoples with very little difference from one another, but no one accuses them of not being a people when they claim they are. At what point are a people a people - what and who determines that?

If we did that, however, only a completely dishonest person 50 years from now would try to claim were were a distinct people today or attempt all sort of straw man dodges calculated to distract away from those who pointed out the truth as to why we were created and what purposes that served. .

Every "people" had to start somewhere. So the Palestinians incorporated their identity as a people relatively recently - so what? They'd lived there for ages, they have roots in the area from which they took the name - why should it be an issue?

Why don't you define for us the 20th Century standards of being a nation.

What does that have to do with being a people?

A people without a country?
Who weren't being bothered by anybody.
Who ran away when their fellow Arabs were attacking Jews.
They're lucky the Jews let them back in after showing who they sided with.
You're getting rather boring and annoying.

 

[Coyote]

Still ducking. They are straightforward questions since you make the claim they aren't a people. Thus far, you can't seem to answer them though Susha did. You might want to look up the meaning of strawman while you are at it.

I have said they weren't a people when you claim they were a people, and I also state they were a people made up in order to serve the needs of propaganda aimed at low functioning leftists.

I have never said they aren't a people.

So what are you saying? That they weren't a people at some point but are a people now? Your statement doesn't make much sense. Are they are aren't they?

There is less difference in their customs compared to other Arabs as there are differences between Texans and Oregonians, but we have no need here to make up some fictitious "Oregonian" identity here complete with a retroactive history just so we can fool the easily fooled into doing our bidding. If we did so, however, and if we ingrained our children in our supposed distinctness long enough, in a couple of generations voila!

There are many peoples with very little difference from one another, but no one accuses them of not being a people when they claim they are. At what point are a people a people - what and who determines that?

If we did that, however, only a completely dishonest person 50 years from now would try to claim were were a distinct people today or attempt all sort of straw man dodges calculated to distract away from those who pointed out the truth as to why we were created and what purposes that served. .

Every "people" had to start somewhere. So the Palestinians incorporated their identity as a people relatively recently - so what? They'd lived there for ages, they have roots in the area from which they took the name - why should it be an issue?

Why don't you define for us the 20th Century standards of being a nation.

What does that have to do with being a people?

A people without a country?
Who weren't being bothered by anybody.
Who ran away when they're fellow Arabs were attacking Jews?
They're lucky the Jews let them back in after showing who they sided with.
You're getting rather boring and annoying.

A lot of peoples have no country.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

I have said they weren't a people when you claim they were a people, and I also state they were a people made up in order to serve the needs of propaganda aimed at low functioning leftists.

I have never said they aren't a people.

So what are you saying? That they weren't a people at some point but are a people now? Your statement doesn't make much sense. Are they are aren't they?

There is less difference in their customs compared to other Arabs as there are differences between Texans and Oregonians, but we have no need here to make up some fictitious "Oregonian" identity here complete with a retroactive history just so we can fool the easily fooled into doing our bidding. If we did so, however, and if we ingrained our children in our supposed distinctness long enough, in a couple of generations voila!

There are many peoples with very little difference from one another, but no one accuses them of not being a people when they claim they are. At what point are a people a people - what and who determines that?

If we did that, however, only a completely dishonest person 50 years from now would try to claim were were a distinct people today or attempt all sort of straw man dodges calculated to distract away from those who pointed out the truth as to why we were created and what purposes that served. .

Every "people" had to start somewhere. So the Palestinians incorporated their identity as a people relatively recently - so what? They'd lived there for ages, they have roots in the area from which they took the name - why should it be an issue?

Why don't you define for us the 20th Century standards of being a nation.

What does that have to do with being a people?

A people without a country?
Who weren't being bothered by anybody.
Who ran away when they're fellow Arabs were attacking Jews?
They're lucky the Jews let them back in after showing who they sided with.
You're getting rather boring and annoying.

A lot of peoples have no country.

Like the Kurds.

 

[Indeependent]

I have said they weren't a people when you claim they were a people, and I also state they were a people made up in order to serve the needs of propaganda aimed at low functioning leftists.

I have never said they aren't a people.

So what are you saying? That they weren't a people at some point but are a people now? Your statement doesn't make much sense. Are they are aren't they?

There is less difference in their customs compared to other Arabs as there are differences between Texans and Oregonians, but we have no need here to make up some fictitious "Oregonian" identity here complete with a retroactive history just so we can fool the easily fooled into doing our bidding. If we did so, however, and if we ingrained our children in our supposed distinctness long enough, in a couple of generations voila!

There are many peoples with very little difference from one another, but no one accuses them of not being a people when they claim they are. At what point are a people a people - what and who determines that?

If we did that, however, only a completely dishonest person 50 years from now would try to claim were were a distinct people today or attempt all sort of straw man dodges calculated to distract away from those who pointed out the truth as to why we were created and what purposes that served. .

Every "people" had to start somewhere. So the Palestinians incorporated their identity as a people relatively recently - so what? They'd lived there for ages, they have roots in the area from which they took the name - why should it be an issue?

Why don't you define for us the 20th Century standards of being a nation.

What does that have to do with being a people?

A people without a country?
Who weren't being bothered by anybody.
Who ran away when they're fellow Arabs were attacking Jews?
They're lucky the Jews let them back in after showing who they sided with.
You're getting rather boring and annoying.

A lot of peoples have no country.

We'll start from here...
Give me an example of a people with no country that has been advocated for in the UN.

 

[Coyote]

So what are you saying? That they weren't a people at some point but are a people now? Your statement doesn't make much sense. Are they are aren't they?

There are many peoples with very little difference from one another, but no one accuses them of not being a people when they claim they are. At what point are a people a people - what and who determines that?

Every "people" had to start somewhere. So the Palestinians incorporated their identity as a people relatively recently - so what? They'd lived there for ages, they have roots in the area from which they took the name - why should it be an issue?

Why don't you define for us the 20th Century standards of being a nation.

What does that have to do with being a people?

A people without a country?
Who weren't being bothered by anybody.
Who ran away when they're fellow Arabs were attacking Jews?
They're lucky the Jews let them back in after showing who they sided with.
You're getting rather boring and annoying.

A lot of peoples have no country.

We'll start from here...
Give me an example of a people with no country that has been advocated for in the UN.

Jews.

 

[Coyote]

So what are you saying? That they weren't a people at some point but are a people now? Your statement doesn't make much sense. Are they are aren't they?

There are many peoples with very little difference from one another, but no one accuses them of not being a people when they claim they are. At what point are a people a people - what and who determines that?

Every "people" had to start somewhere. So the Palestinians incorporated their identity as a people relatively recently - so what? They'd lived there for ages, they have roots in the area from which they took the name - why should it be an issue?

Why don't you define for us the 20th Century standards of being a nation.

What does that have to do with being a people?

A people without a country?
Who weren't being bothered by anybody.
Who ran away when they're fellow Arabs were attacking Jews?
They're lucky the Jews let them back in after showing who they sided with.
You're getting rather boring and annoying.

A lot of peoples have no country.

Like the Kurds.

But unlike the Palestinians - they do have citizenship in a country and do not exist in a citizenless limbo, nor are they being expelled.

 

[Indeependent]

Why don't you define for us the 20th Century standards of being a nation.

What does that have to do with being a people?

A people without a country?
Who weren't being bothered by anybody.
Who ran away when they're fellow Arabs were attacking Jews?
They're lucky the Jews let them back in after showing who they sided with.
You're getting rather boring and annoying.

A lot of peoples have no country.

We'll start from here...
Give me an example of a people with no country that has been advocated for in the UN.

Jews.

Fine. Did the Jews come to the land and attack anybody?

 

[Indeependent]

Why don't you define for us the 20th Century standards of being a nation.

What does that have to do with being a people?

A people without a country?
Who weren't being bothered by anybody.
Who ran away when they're fellow Arabs were attacking Jews?
They're lucky the Jews let them back in after showing who they sided with.
You're getting rather boring and annoying.

A lot of peoples have no country.

Like the Kurds.

But unlike the Palestinians - they do have citizenship in a country and do not exist in a citizenless limbo, nor are they being expelled.

Don't jump ahead; let's take this one step at a time.

 

[Coyote]

What does that have to do with being a people?

A people without a country?
Who weren't being bothered by anybody.
Who ran away when they're fellow Arabs were attacking Jews?
They're lucky the Jews let them back in after showing who they sided with.
You're getting rather boring and annoying.

A lot of peoples have no country.

Like the Kurds.

But unlike the Palestinians - they do have citizenship in a country and do not exist in a citizenless limbo, nor are they being expelled.

Don't jump ahead; let's take this one step at a time.

I'm trying to stay within your moving goalposts.

 

[Coyote]

What does that have to do with being a people?

A people without a country?
Who weren't being bothered by anybody.
Who ran away when they're fellow Arabs were attacking Jews?
They're lucky the Jews let them back in after showing who they sided with.
You're getting rather boring and annoying.

A lot of peoples have no country.

We'll start from here...
Give me an example of a people with no country that has been advocated for in the UN.

Jews.

Fine. Did the Jews come to the land and attack anybody?

Yes.

 

[Indeependent]

A people without a country?
Who weren't being bothered by anybody.
Who ran away when they're fellow Arabs were attacking Jews?
They're lucky the Jews let them back in after showing who they sided with.
You're getting rather boring and annoying.

A lot of peoples have no country.

We'll start from here...
Give me an example of a people with no country that has been advocated for in the UN.

Jews.

Fine. Did the Jews come to the land and attack anybody?

Yes.

Let's get this clear...
You are stating that the Jews came to the area and, without provocation, attacked the Arab nomads who lived there.

 

[Coyote]

A lot of peoples have no country.

We'll start from here...
Give me an example of a people with no country that has been advocated for in the UN.

Jews.

Fine. Did the Jews come to the land and attack anybody?

Yes.

Let's get this clear...
You are stating that the Jews came to the area and, without provocation, attacked the Arab nomads who lived there.

That is not what you asked me.

Jewish insurgency in Mandatory Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Indeependent]

We'll start from here...
Give me an example of a people with no country that has been advocated for in the UN.

Jews.

Fine. Did the Jews come to the land and attack anybody?

Yes.

Let's get this clear...
You are stating that the Jews came to the area and, without provocation, attacked the Arab nomads who lived there

That is not what you asked me.

Jewish insurgency in Mandatory Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I am breaking our discussion down into discreet steps so as to avoid any confusion.

Once again...Did the Jews come to the area and, without provocation, attack the Arab nomads who lived there?

 

[Coyote]

Jews.

Fine. Did the Jews come to the land and attack anybody?

Yes.

Let's get this clear...
You are stating that the Jews came to the area and, without provocation, attacked the Arab nomads who lived there

That is not what you asked me.

Jewish insurgency in Mandatory Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I am breaking our discussion down into discreet steps so as to avoid any confusion.

Once again...Did the Jews come to the area and, without provocation, attack the Arab nomads who lived there?

I can't keep up with your moving goal posts. I answered your initial question. Jewish immigrants came to the area and without provocation attacked the British, who were in control of the region.

If you want a broader answer - the rise of both Jewish nationalist aspirations and Arab nationalist aspirations collided with a great deal of mutual violence - Arab and Jewish with Irgun, and other militias. Who came into what area and "without provocation" attacked is impossible to discern. What is true is civilians, markets, trains and buses were targeted and by both sides. Also, at this time - most of the Jewish population was immigrant and there were high levels of illegal Jewish immigration which stoked Arab fears of displacement and fed Arab intolerance towards Jews.

 

[jillian]

Anat Berko, a conservative member of the Israeli Knesset, said there could be no Palestine because there’s no letter “P” in Arabic.

Applying the same logic then there are no Jews as there is no "J" in Hebrew!

What a racist little *****!

she's way smarter than you. do people usually name themselves with letters they don't use in their language?

the answer, for the idiotic, is no, there was no such thing as a palestinian except for what the romans called the are in which the jews had the temple. did the pals have a temple in jerusalem? what type of government did they have? who were their heads of government? what type of goods did they sell/trade? who were their trading partners? where are they in the history books?

btw, the impossibility of your answering any of those questions is what proves that there was never any such thing as a palestnian. they were bedouins from trans jordan.

you're welcome, terrorist supporter.

 

[Coyote]

Anat Berko, a conservative member of the Israeli Knesset, said there could be no Palestine because there’s no letter “P” in Arabic.

Applying the same logic then there are no Jews as there is no "J" in Hebrew!

What a racist little *****!

she's way smarter than you. do people usually name themselves with letters they don't use in their language?

the answer, for the idiotic, is no, there was no such thing as a palestinian except for what the romans called the are in which the jews had the temple. did the pals have a temple in jerusalem? what type of government did they have? who were their heads of government? what type of goods did they sell/trade? who were their trading partners? where are they in the history books?

btw, the impossibility of your answering any of those questions is what proves that there was never any such thing as a palestnian. they were bedouins from trans jordan.

you're welcome, terrorist supporter.

No they weren't. The bedouins are bedouins - a distinct people.