Yet another reason to go electric in vehicles

[Rogue AI]

What is beyond stupid is that you think that everyone will buy an EV tomorrow. Already the grid is gaining in power as we add more renewables every year. And then homeowners are also adding more solar every year, buying batteries, and becoming part of VPP's. And then there is the agrivoltaics that are increasing farm yields and generating power.

Same old pipe dream with same predictable results. You folks offer no actual alternatives, just rehashing failed technologies hoping this time around it will work. Solar, electric vehicles, and wind power have been around, and never once proved themselves as viable alternatives. Let me guess, you think communism could work, it just hasn't been done right.

 

[Old Rocks]

Same old pipe dream with same predictable results. You folks offer no actual alternatives, just rehashing failed technologies hoping this time around it will work. Solar, electric vehicles, and wind power have been around, and never once proved themselves as viable alternatives. Let me guess, you think communism could work, it just hasn't been done right.

92% of new generation added last year was wind and solar. Not be the government, but approved by the utility bean counters. It will be more this year. And there will be a huge increase in grid scale storage. As far as the EV's go, most of Tesla's production is already sold out most of this year. Some models into 2023. I don't have to guess, you don't understand the difference between communism, socialism, or capitalism.

 

[Canon Shooter]

I wonder how many people stuck in I-95 traffic in VA the other day would be dead now if all of those cars were electric.

That's a very good point...

 

[Old Rocks]

That's a very good point...

No, it is not, it is absolute bullshit. Since the heater in an EV takes only 1 to 2 kwh per hour, most would last longer than an ICE that is idling. And there would be no danger of killing the passengers with CO.

 

[Decus]

92% of new generation added last year was wind and solar. Not be the government, but approved by the utility bean counters. It will be more this year. And there will be a huge increase in grid scale storage. As far as the EV's go, most of Tesla's production is already sold out most of this year. Some models into 2023. I don't have to guess, you don't understand the difference between communism, socialism, or capitalism.

In your scenario for wind and solar to meet the energy needs of the US you need the sun to shine and the wind to blow....constantly. Bad weather, no wind or too much wind and wind power drops. Solar also prefers sunshine, so sunny southern climates are favored, the cold dark north in the dead of winter won't help the grid. And of course solar doesn't operate at night.

Battery storage technologies are largely a joke. Here is a recent project in California that costs a bundle of money and provides 110,000 homes back-up electricity for two (2) hours I'm not joking - back-up electricity for 2 (two) whole hours:

"EnerSmart Storage, a renewable energy company based in San Diego, will design, construct and operate the systems. When completed, 12 sites across the county will enhance grid reliability and increase energy efficiency. The entire portfolio will account for 165 megawatts and 336 megawatt-hours of battery storage electricity—enough to power 110,000 homes for two hours."

Cost for the system:

"Beach of EnerSmart estimated the price for the San Diego portfolio will come to about $300 per kilowatt-hour." Do the math for a project that says it will operate at "165 megawatts and 336 megawatt-hours of battery storage".

A molten salt nuclear reactor operating 24/7, rain or shine, day and night, 365 days a year makes than wind, solar and back-up batteries.

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[DudleySmith]

The whole point is to get the lower classes out of their cars and on foot, so the rich don't have to deal with traffic jams and other nuisances. It will make their drives to their psychiatrists and favorite restaurants so much more pleasant without all those proles clogging the streets.

 

[Rogue AI]

No, it is not, it is absolute bullshit. Since the heater in an EV takes only 1 to 2 kwh per hour, most would last longer than an ICE that is idling. And there would be no danger of killing the passengers with CO.

You do realize cold drains batteries faster, right?

 

[Old Rocks]

In your scenario for wind and solar to meet the energy needs of the US you need the sun to shine and the wind to blow....constantly. Bad weather, no wind or too much wind and wind power drops. Solar also prefers sunshine, so sunny southern climates are favored, the cold dark north in the dead of winter won't help the grid. And of course solar doesn't operate at night.

Battery storage technologies are largely a joke. Here is a recent project in California that costs a bundle of money and provides 110,000 homes back-up electricity for two (2) hours I'm not joking - back-up electricity for 2 (two) whole hours:

"EnerSmart Storage, a renewable energy company based in San Diego, will design, construct and operate the systems. When completed, 12 sites across the county will enhance grid reliability and increase energy efficiency. The entire portfolio will account for 165 megawatts and 336 megawatt-hours of battery storage electricity—enough to power 110,000 homes for two hours."

Cost for the system:

"Beach of EnerSmart estimated the price for the San Diego portfolio will come to about $300 per kilowatt-hour." Do the math for a project that says it will operate at "165 megawatts and 336 megawatt-hours of battery storage".

A molten salt nuclear reactor operating 24/7, rain or shine, day and night, 365 days a year makes than wind, solar and back-up batteries.

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Never heard of grid scale storage or of VPP's? Assume that every city only gets it's power from the immediate vicinity of the city? By the way, just where is that molten salt reactor working right now? And at present, solar and wind are the least expensive generation available, and getting cheaper all the time, while natural gas and nuclear continue to get more expensive every year.

 

[Old Rocks]

That's a very good point...

Bullshit!

Stranded Overnight On A Snow-Clogged Interstate? Tech Should Have Saved You

Would EVs die and let their owners freeze in a long winter traffic jam? Could tech have stopped the jam from being so bad?

www.forbes.com

 

[DudleySmith]

Two years ago California's Governor was telling EV owners not to charge their vehicles because of the power outages. lol they had rolling blackouts all the time in the Bay area. I had to keep a car battery on the patio just to have light several times a year when I lived there. Now they have their parrots running around lying about how much better EV's are during storms. lol it's like a comedy parodying life in rural Russia under Stalin.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Two years ago California's Governor was telling EV owners not to charge their vehicles because of the power outages. lol they had rolling blackouts all the time in the Bay area. I had to keep a car battery on the patio just to have light several times a year when I lived there. Now they have their parrots running around lying about how much better EV's are during storms. lol it's like a comedy parodying life in rural Russia under Stalin.

Seemingly incongruous, hatred of fossil fuels has become a catechism of the Left's religion, Militant Secularism.

 

[Blues Man]

Yet another reason to go electric, an article on Wednesdays Omaha world herald December 29th 2021. Mexico to stop exporting oil in 2023. The US imported 599,000 barrels of oil a day from Mexico. They realize their oil fields won't last forever and they're keeping what they have for their own national self-sufficiency in fuel production. Fortunately US Auto companies are making the switch already that will help save us from $10 and $20 a gallon oil. Prices will be going through the roof, no more cheap oil. It's day is over. We may yet save the planet, despite ourselves.

We don;t have to save the planet.

It will be here long after we are extinct

 

[Decus]

Never heard of grid scale storage or of VPP's? Assume that every city only gets it's power from the immediate vicinity of the city? By the way, just where is that molten salt reactor working right now? And at present, solar and wind are the least expensive generation available, and getting cheaper all the time, while natural gas and nuclear continue to get more expensive every year.

A VPP is a software that claims will make the grid more efficient but is not a panacea.

As for grid storage solutions there are several that seem to have been given priority in development for grid storage:

• battery
• heat
• gravitational

Batteries:
The useful battery life of Lithium Ion batteries is about ten (10) years and during that ten year period batteries decline in power with each cycle. The cost is very high and if the batteries have to be replaced about every ten years the cost will be onerous. This would add to the high cost of electricity for consumers - German households pay about three times more for their electricity than Americans and Germans are fully invested in renewable energy.

So what is the best method of energy storage?

The EU will probably designate nuclear as a green technology because it simply makes sense.

EU plans to class nuclear power and natural gas as green energy sources

The EU is planning to label energy from nuclear power and natural gas as "green" sources for investment despite internal disagreement over whether they truly qualify as sustainable options.

www.france24.com

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[DudleySmith]

The EU will probably designate nuclear as a green technology because it simply makes sense.

Yep, and is more green than anything else, if the plants aren't built by corrupt vermin.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Yet another reason to go electric, an article on Wednesdays Omaha world herald December 29th 2021. Mexico to stop exporting oil in 2023. The US imported 599,000 barrels of oil a day from Mexico. They realize their oil fields won't last forever and they're keeping what they have for their own national self-sufficiency in fuel production. Fortunately US Auto companies are making the switch already that will help save us from $10 and $20 a gallon oil. Prices will be going through the roof, no more cheap oil. It's day is over. We may yet save the planet, despite ourselves.

Have you ever seen the list of things made with oil ?

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Have you ever seen the list of things made with oil ?

 

[ClaireH]

Regardless of one’s point of view on this issue, the US is not ready for this change any time soon. Even the pro-electric car “experts” have stated as such. There are several countries that are ready for such an attempted transition from gas/oil/coal but the US is not one of them.

 

[52ndStreet]

Every one is being mind raped into this go green Electric car bullshit. I prefer Flexfuels myself.
Not every part of the Earth is going to have a recharger outlet. Certain parts of Africa don't even have running water , much less a charging station.!! GasolineFlexfuels is the way to go.Ethanol gasoline fuel blends.!! is the Future, take that electric car crap and shove it!!

 

[Woodznutz]

New energy technologies await the collapse of old energy technologies.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

New energy technologies await the collapse of old energy technologies.

What energy technology happens to be collapsing?