Yes, it was all a lie about Obamacare

[The Rabbi]

No. Obamacare hasn't been implemented yet so you can't attribute slower spending growth, which is not the same as a reduction, to Obamacare.

Its payment and delivery system reforms have been launching for three years now.

I asked how Obamacare was supposed to lower health care costs. Remember that one? Bending down the cost curve? Ring any bells? Hello??

Bending the cost curve refers to slowing the rate of increase of health spending. That's what's happening now. Hence my point.

You are a miserable liar. And a fake. On to iggy with your pals.

 

[Flopper]

I think one thing that always seems missing when discussing costs and benefits of ACA is the value to the country of greater access to healthcare. I'm sure it's hard to put a dollar value on limiting the spread of disease or catching serious health problems in the early stages but that doesn't mean there is no benefit to the nation.

I have no idea what healthcare costs will be in the future but I am confident that the nation will be healthier which is pretty damn important.

 

[The Rabbi]

I think one thing that always seems missing when discussing costs and benefits of ACA is the value to the country of greater access to healthcare. I'm sure it's hard to put a dollar value on limiting the spread of disease or catching serious health problems in the early stages but that doesn't mean there is no benefit to the nation.

I have no idea what healthcare costs will be in the future but I am confident that the nation will be healthier which is pretty damn important.

There is zero evidence for any of that. The fact is that 97% of people already had access to health care. So ACA didnt really change any of that. It did impose enormous costs on everyone involved and will result in worse treatment and earlier deaths, just like every similar system has done before.

 

[idb]

I think one thing that always seems missing when discussing costs and benefits of ACA is the value to the country of greater access to healthcare. I'm sure it's hard to put a dollar value on limiting the spread of disease or catching serious health problems in the early stages but that doesn't mean there is no benefit to the nation.

I have no idea what healthcare costs will be in the future but I am confident that the nation will be healthier which is pretty damn important.

There is zero evidence for any of that. The fact is that 97% of people already had access to health care. So ACA didnt really change any of that. It did impose enormous costs on everyone involved and will result in worse treatment and earlier deaths, just like every similar system has done before.

The US has the best healthcare that money can buy.

 

[TemplarKormac]

I think one thing that always seems missing when discussing costs and benefits of ACA is the value to the country of greater access to healthcare. I'm sure it's hard to put a dollar value on limiting the spread of disease or catching serious health problems in the early stages but that doesn't mean there is no benefit to the nation.

I have no idea what healthcare costs will be in the future but I am confident that the nation will be healthier which is pretty damn important.

There is zero evidence for any of that. The fact is that 97% of people already had access to health care. So ACA didnt really change any of that. It did impose enormous costs on everyone involved and will result in worse treatment and earlier deaths, just like every similar system has done before.

The US has the best healthcare that money can buy.

And Obamacare is the best healthcare the government can buy.

 

[Flopper]

I think one thing that always seems missing when discussing costs and benefits of ACA is the value to the country of greater access to healthcare. I'm sure it's hard to put a dollar value on limiting the spread of disease or catching serious health problems in the early stages but that doesn't mean there is no benefit to the nation.

I have no idea what healthcare costs will be in the future but I am confident that the nation will be healthier which is pretty damn important.

There is zero evidence for any of that. The fact is that 97% of people already had access to health care. So ACA didnt really change any of that. It did impose enormous costs on everyone involved and will result in worse treatment and earlier deaths, just like every similar system has done before.

In 2009, 97% of those over 65 had access to ongoing healthcare due to Medicare/Medicaid. In the age group 18-44, the percentage was 74%. Among the unemployed it's just over 60%. This translates into tens of millions of people that have no ongoing healthcare. What I mean by healthcare is ongoing care, not just access to and ER or a prescription mill. Treatment of chronic diseases such a Cancer, Heart Disease, and Diabetics require ongoing treatments and monitoring which is what most people without health insurance do not get. The primary goal of the ACA is to provide this level of medical care to everyone.

 

[The Rabbi]

I think one thing that always seems missing when discussing costs and benefits of ACA is the value to the country of greater access to healthcare. I'm sure it's hard to put a dollar value on limiting the spread of disease or catching serious health problems in the early stages but that doesn't mean there is no benefit to the nation.

I have no idea what healthcare costs will be in the future but I am confident that the nation will be healthier which is pretty damn important.

There is zero evidence for any of that. The fact is that 97% of people already had access to health care. So ACA didnt really change any of that. It did impose enormous costs on everyone involved and will result in worse treatment and earlier deaths, just like every similar system has done before.

In 2009, 97% of those over 65 had access to ongoing healthcare due to Medicare/Medicaid. In the age group 18-44, the percentage was 74%. Among the unemployed it's just over 60%. This translates into tens of millions of people that have no ongoing healthcare. What I mean by healthcare is ongoing care, not just access to and ER or a prescription mill. Treatment of chronic diseases such a Cancer, Heart Disease, and Diabetics require ongoing treatments and monitoring which is what most people without health insurance do not get. The primary goal of the ACA is provide this level of medical care to everyone.

People 18-44 typically don't need ongoing healthcare. Between ages 18 and 40 I might have seen a doctor twice. They are the ones getting royally fucked by Obamacare, forced to buy expensive coverage they don't need and will likely never use in order to subsidize the old, fat, lazy, and substance abusers.

 

[boedicca]

ObamaCare is just another Big Government transfer payment system in which the relatively poor and healthy subsidize the relatively more wealthy and older people along with Big Insurance & Big Pharma.

 

[Flopper]

There is zero evidence for any of that. The fact is that 97% of people already had access to health care. So ACA didnt really change any of that. It did impose enormous costs on everyone involved and will result in worse treatment and earlier deaths, just like every similar system has done before.

In 2009, 97% of those over 65 had access to ongoing healthcare due to Medicare/Medicaid. In the age group 18-44, the percentage was 74%. Among the unemployed it's just over 60%. This translates into tens of millions of people that have no ongoing healthcare. What I mean by healthcare is ongoing care, not just access to and ER or a prescription mill. Treatment of chronic diseases such a Cancer, Heart Disease, and Diabetics require ongoing treatments and monitoring which is what most people without health insurance do not get. The primary goal of the ACA is provide this level of medical care to everyone.

People 18-44 typically don't need ongoing healthcare. Between ages 18 and 40 I might have seen a doctor twice. They are the ones getting royally fucked by Obamacare, forced to buy expensive coverage they don't need and will likely never use in order to subsidize the old, fat, lazy, and substance abusers.

Yep, the young are always invincible until they aren't.

A girl I knew age 36, never a sick day in her life who was diagnosed with Leukemia. She had one of those temporary in between job insurance policies that could not be renewed. She was able to get a bone marrow transplant during the policy period but after that she got really sick. She applied for Medicaid but it took almost two months before she was able to see a doctor. Then it was getting to see a specialist. By the time she got the care she really needed it was too late.

 

[The Rabbi]

In 2009, 97% of those over 65 had access to ongoing healthcare due to Medicare/Medicaid. In the age group 18-44, the percentage was 74%. Among the unemployed it's just over 60%. This translates into tens of millions of people that have no ongoing healthcare. What I mean by healthcare is ongoing care, not just access to and ER or a prescription mill. Treatment of chronic diseases such a Cancer, Heart Disease, and Diabetics require ongoing treatments and monitoring which is what most people without health insurance do not get. The primary goal of the ACA is provide this level of medical care to everyone.

People 18-44 typically don't need ongoing healthcare. Between ages 18 and 40 I might have seen a doctor twice. They are the ones getting royally fucked by Obamacare, forced to buy expensive coverage they don't need and will likely never use in order to subsidize the old, fat, lazy, and substance abusers.

Yep, the young are always invincible until they aren't.

A girl I knew age 36, never a sick day in her life who was diagnosed with Leukemia. She had one of those temporary in between job insurance policies that could not be renewed. She was able to get a bone marrow transplant during the policy period but after that she got really sick. She applied for Medicaid but it took almost two months before she was able to see a doctor. Then it was getting to see a specialist. By the time she got the care she really needed it was too late.

Please look up the word "typically" and get back to me.

It's like shooting fish in a barrel around here. Where did all the smart liberal posters go?

 

[Greenbeard]

Its payment and delivery system reforms have been launching for three years now.

Looks like people are starting to notice:

Obamacare Shows Hospital Savings as Patients Make Gains

Less than five months before the Affordable Care Act fully kicks in, hospitals are improving care and saving millions of dollars with one of the least touted but potentially most effective provisions of the law.

While much of the focus on Obamacare has been on the government rush to open insurance exchanges by Oct. 1, 252 hospitals and physician groups across the U.S. have signed up to join the administration’s accountable care program, in which they share the financial risk of keeping patients healthy.

Under the program, hospitals and physician practices take responsibility for tracking and maintaining the health of elderly and disabled patients. If costs rise beyond an agreed upon level, hospitals may become responsible for reimbursing the government. If they cut the cost of care while maintaining quality, hospitals share in the savings. The government expects the savings may be as much as $1.9 billion from 2012 to 2015. Early indications suggest they are starting to add up.

 

[Rozman]

What?

You mean government fucked something up again?

I was so sure that THIS TIME they would get it right...

906 pages of law should have covered everything right?

Assholes.

It was obvious to me that when Obama repeatedly used 46 million as number of uninsured this was going to be a GIGANTIC cluster...K!
When his own Census said 10 million uninsured were not citizens, and 14 million only needed to register with Medicaid and they were covered it proved to me they didn't know what they were doing!
But when he falsely included 18 million people THAT didn't want health insurance I KNEW this was a huge fraud!
Subtract that 42 million above and you find ONLY 4 million that truly wanted and needed health insurance.
So that's why taxing lawyers 10% of $200 billion income would pay a $5,000 a person premium. BUT then I found out lawyers gave OBAMA/Congress $300 million in 2008!
Unlike the tanning salon lobby that didn't and found themselves now responsible for 10% tax all because tanning causes cancer!
Well lawyers cause $850 billion a year in defensive medicine... why are they exempt other then they are fellow lawyers with Obama and 47% of Congress!

Obama never used the 46 million number.

You are right ...He claimed 47 - 48 million....



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Obama Again Inflates Number of Uninsured Americans--Falsely Claiming '4 6
CNS News ^ | 8/12/09

Posted on Wednesday, August 12, 2009 4:31:38 PM by FromLori

In a town hall meeting in Portsmouth, N.H., yesterday aimed at “setting the record straight” on health care reform, President Obama again falsely stated the number of uninsured Americans, this time saying it was 46 million, down a million from the 47 million uninsured Americans he falsely said there were in a primetime press conference less than a month ago.

The president's claim yesterday that there are 46 million uninsured Americans overshoots the Census Bureau’s official estimate by about 10 million people—a mistake that is more than 7 times larger than the 1,315,809 people that the Census Bureau estimates make up the entire population of the state of New Hampshire.

“I don't have to explain to you that nearly 46 million Americans don't have health insurance coverage today,” Obama said in his remarks at the beginning of the town hall meeting. “In the wealthiest nation on Earth, 46 million of our fellow citizens have no coverage. They are just vulnerable.”

In fact, the latest available government statistics on the number of uninsured in America comes from the Census Bureau’s “Income, Poverty, and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2007,” which is published every August. (The Census Bureau report that will estimate the number of uninsured in 2008 will be released later this month.)

The current report says that there were 35.920 million uninsured U.S. citizens and 9.737 million uninsured foreign nationals in the United States.

Table 6 on page 22 of the report says that in 2007 there were a total of 45.657 million uninsured people residing in the United States. The table provides a breakout on the demographics of these 45.657 uninsured, indicating that it includes 33.269 million native born citizens and 2.651 million naturalized citizens, for a total of 35.920 U.S. citizens who are uninsured.

The report also states there were also 9.737 million persons in the United States in 2007 who were “not a citizen” and who did not have health insurance.

The Census Bureau does not ask people their legal status, so the report does not indicate how many of these 9.737 million uninsured foreign nationals were illegal aliens, or legal permanent residents, or people studying or working in the United States.

Since his July 22 primetime press conference, President Obama has actually decreased his claim of the number of uninsured “Americans” by 1 million people. That night, Obama said there were 47 million uninsured Americans.

“This is not just about the 47 million Americans who have no health insurance,” Obama said in a prepared statement at the start that press conference. “Reform is about every American who has ever feared that they may lose their coverage if they become too sick, or lose their job, or change their job.

 

[Antares]

I think one thing that always seems missing when discussing costs and benefits of ACA is the value to the country of greater access to healthcare. I'm sure it's hard to put a dollar value on limiting the spread of disease or catching serious health problems in the early stages but that doesn't mean there is no benefit to the nation.

I have no idea what healthcare costs will be in the future but I am confident that the nation will be healthier which is pretty damn important.

There is zero evidence for any of that. The fact is that 97% of people already had access to health care. So ACA didnt really change any of that. It did impose enormous costs on everyone involved and will result in worse treatment and earlier deaths, just like every similar system has done before.

In 2009, 97% of those over 65 had access to ongoing healthcare due to Medicare/Medicaid. In the age group 18-44, the percentage was 74%. Among the unemployed it's just over 60%. This translates into tens of millions of people that have no ongoing healthcare. What I mean by healthcare is ongoing care, not just access to and ER or a prescription mill. Treatment of chronic diseases such a Cancer, Heart Disease, and Diabetics require ongoing treatments and monitoring which is what most people without health insurance do not get. The primary goal of the ACA is to provide this level of medical care to everyone.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

The nation cannot afford it.

 

[Antares]

Its payment and delivery system reforms have been launching for three years now.

Looks like people are starting to notice:

Obamacare Shows Hospital Savings as Patients Make Gains

Less than five months before the Affordable Care Act fully kicks in, hospitals are improving care and saving millions of dollars with one of the least touted but potentially most effective provisions of the law.

While much of the focus on Obamacare has been on the government rush to open insurance exchanges by Oct. 1, 252 hospitals and physician groups across the U.S. have signed up to join the administration’s accountable care program, in which they share the financial risk of keeping patients healthy.

Under the program, hospitals and physician practices take responsibility for tracking and maintaining the health of elderly and disabled patients. If costs rise beyond an agreed upon level, hospitals may become responsible for reimbursing the government. If they cut the cost of care while maintaining quality, hospitals share in the savings. The government expects the savings may be as much as $1.9 billion from 2012 to 2015. Early indications suggest they are starting to add up.

What will you here when none of your pie in the sky shit happens?

 

[Greenbeard]

Its payment and delivery system reforms have been launching for three years now.

Looks like people are starting to notice:

Obamacare Shows Hospital Savings as Patients Make Gains

Less than five months before the Affordable Care Act fully kicks in, hospitals are improving care and saving millions of dollars with one of the least touted but potentially most effective provisions of the law.

While much of the focus on Obamacare has been on the government rush to open insurance exchanges by Oct. 1, 252 hospitals and physician groups across the U.S. have signed up to join the administration’s accountable care program, in which they share the financial risk of keeping patients healthy.

Under the program, hospitals and physician practices take responsibility for tracking and maintaining the health of elderly and disabled patients. If costs rise beyond an agreed upon level, hospitals may become responsible for reimbursing the government. If they cut the cost of care while maintaining quality, hospitals share in the savings. The government expects the savings may be as much as $1.9 billion from 2012 to 2015. Early indications suggest they are starting to add up.

What will you here when none of your pie in the sky shit happens?

...this article is about things that are already happening.

 

[Antares]

Looks like people are starting to notice:

Obamacare Shows Hospital Savings as Patients Make Gains

What will you here when none of your pie in the sky shit happens?

...this article is about things that are already happening.

Pops, you quote pie in the sky shit to "prove" your points...take Cali....Cali will crash when the 20 somethings refuse t pay thos premiums that for them will skyrocket.

...and Ohio....lol.....this thing is going to bring people like you to the bottom and there will be people like me shoving it in your face every step of the way.

Bank it.

 

[boedicca]

I think one thing that always seems missing when discussing costs and benefits of ACA is the value to the country of greater access to healthcare. I'm sure it's hard to put a dollar value on limiting the spread of disease or catching serious health problems in the early stages but that doesn't mean there is no benefit to the nation.

I have no idea what healthcare costs will be in the future but I am confident that the nation will be healthier which is pretty damn important.

There is zero evidence for any of that. The fact is that 97% of people already had access to health care. So ACA didnt really change any of that. It did impose enormous costs on everyone involved and will result in worse treatment and earlier deaths, just like every similar system has done before.

And a lot of the people who don't want health insurance (because the ACA is really just health insurance, not health care) still don't want health insurance.

That is why Obama is going to use ACORN-Navigators to hunt down the uninsured and hound them into enrolling. They'll likely be armed with embarrassing personnel info from the NSA Total Information Awareness data treasure trove.

 

[Greenbeard]

Pops, you quote pie in the sky shit to "prove" your points...take Cali....Cali will crash when the 20 somethings refuse t pay thos premiums that for them will skyrocket.

Health Sector Economic Indicators -- June 12, 2013:

Health care price inflation in April 2013, at 1.1% year-over-year, is exhibiting historically low growth. The last time the rate was this low was in November 1997 when various price components did not exist or were not measured as accurately. The 12-month moving average at 1.8% in April 2013 is the lowest since 1.7% recorded in September 1998.

The HCPI fell due to plunging hospital price growth (to 1.8%), complimented by lower price growth for physicians (at -0.1%, the lowest since December 2002), and very low readings for nursing home care (0.6%), prescription drugs (at 0.6%, the lowest reading in our database extending back to January 1990!), and home health (-0.2%).

Pie in the sky!

 

[Plasmaball]

I think one thing that always seems missing when discussing costs and benefits of ACA is the value to the country of greater access to healthcare. I'm sure it's hard to put a dollar value on limiting the spread of disease or catching serious health problems in the early stages but that doesn't mean there is no benefit to the nation.

I have no idea what healthcare costs will be in the future but I am confident that the nation will be healthier which is pretty damn important.

There is zero evidence for any of that. The fact is that 97% of people already had access to health care. So ACA didnt really change any of that. It did impose enormous costs on everyone involved and will result in worse treatment and earlier deaths, just like every similar system has done before.

And a lot of the people who don't want health insurance (because the ACA is really just health insurance, not health care) still don't want health insurance.

That is why Obama is going to use ACORN-Navigators to hunt down the uninsured and hound them into enrolling. They'll likely be armed with embarrassing personnel info from the NSA Total Information Awareness data treasure trove.

OO a conspiracy based on nothing, but your imagination. And if they still refuse they will ship them off to the fema camps with the hollow points they bought up recently.

 

[paulitician]

It's obviously gonna get real ugly. It was an awful ill-conceived piece of Legislation. They should have actually read it before voting on it.