W's Impressive Record

[SwingVoter]

Two jobs reports left for W, possible country will end up with fewer than 1 million more private sector jobs than it had when he took office 8 yrs ago. Under Clinton's 8 yrs, we were up 20 million private sector jobs. And Clinton's public sector job creation was lower than W's 1.5m compared to 2.3m.

Sad that the GOP doesn't seem bothered by W's borrow-and-spend Socialist policies that led to him being such a big fan of government jobs.

 

[Mad Scientist]

Please tell us Swing Voter, what will Obama will do to "change" all that?
(This should be good)

 

[SwingVoter]

Please tell us Swing Voter, what will Obama will do to "change" all that?
(This should be good)

-not create any PERMANENT increases to the budget like the appalling Socialist Medicare Drug Plan, or No Child Left Behind

-cut discretionary spending in executive branch agencies, like Clinton did

I'll bet anything that something less than 60% of all jobs created under Obama will be in the government as they have been under W. Obama's tax-and-spend Socialism will prove to be far less damaging than W's borrow-and-spend Socialism.

you sure you're a conservative?

 

[Amanda]

I don't see the purpose in Bush-bashing at this point. He's over. And comparisons to Clinton? Even less worth the trouble. Clinton hasn't been involved in 8 years. If Obama is going to save us (he is going to save us, right?) why not focus on how that's going to happen instead of living in the past?

 

[SwingVoter]

why not focus on how that's going to happen instead of living in the past?

because the GOP needs to prove that it can outdo Dems in private sector job creation in the future - pretty basic measure that the GOP should be able to win over those crazy communist Dems - and yet it's not even close

Party must abandon "compassionate conservatism" and other wobbly ideas it's picked up over the last 8 years

Mac did nothing to prove he would move away from Bush's Socialism, and if they want to be a soft, stand-for-nothing party that expands entitlements and the Dept of Education instead of cutting them, they won't get my vote or my contributions

 

[SwingVoter]

If Obama is going to save us (he is going to save us, right?)

he's not going to save us, but very likely he'll preside over more private sector job creation than W, also very likely his spending increases will be lower

so if GOP spends more than Dems, while creating fewer private sector jobs, not sure what it is they're good for anymore

 

[mash107]

Amount government spends is inversely correlated with the amount of (private market) jobs created.

Obama will reduce the number of forces in Iraq, but does the mean an overall reduction in the government budget? Especially since he's giving out $800B in stimulus check(s) and a push for public job creation, I think not.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

-not create any PERMANENT increases to the budget like the appalling Socialist Medicare Drug Plan, or No Child Left Behind

-cut discretionary spending in executive branch agencies, like Clinton did

I'll bet anything that something less than 60% of all jobs created under Obama will be in the government as they have been under W. Obama's tax-and-spend Socialism will prove to be far less damaging than W's borrow-and-spend Socialism.

you sure you're a conservative?

Cutting taxes and cutting spending would make more sense than tax-and-spend policies.

 

[Old Rocks]

Cutting taxes and cutting spending would make more sense than tax-and-spend policies.

How can we cut taxes with the debt where it is at? Clinton raised taxes and we sure all suffered for that, didn't we? Sure, the longest sustained economic boom that this nation has ever experianced.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

How can we cut taxes with the debt where it is at? Clinton raised taxes and we sure all suffered for that, didn't we? Sure, the longest sustained economic boom that this nation has ever experianced.

You're ignoring the part where I said you cut spending along with taxes.

 

[WillowTree]

How can we cut taxes with the debt where it is at? Clinton raised taxes and we sure all suffered for that, didn't we? Sure, the longest sustained economic boom that this nation has ever experianced.

I sure as hell don't know, but I expect it to happen cause the obamalama promised it. To exactly 95% of us.

 

[xsited1]

Two jobs reports left for W, possible country will end up with fewer than 1 million more private sector jobs than it had when he took office 8 yrs ago. Under Clinton's 8 yrs, we were up 20 million private sector jobs. And Clinton's public sector job creation was lower than W's 1.5m compared to 2.3m.

Sad that the GOP doesn't seem bothered by W's borrow-and-spend Socialist policies that led to him being such a big fan of government jobs.

The GOP has become like LBJ-style Democrats. Clinton was saved by real conservatives in Congress, who control spending, so I wouldn't give him too much credit. I hope this last election has proven once and for all that the GOP better change or be replaced by a better party.

 

[xsited1]

How can we cut taxes with the debt where it is at? Clinton raised taxes and we sure all suffered for that, didn't we? Sure, the longest sustained economic boom that this nation has ever experianced.

Increasing taxes does not increase job creation. And when a company is in debt, they can't just arbitrarily raise their prices. The government is no different.

 

[Old Rocks]

Amount government spends is inversely correlated with the amount of (private market) jobs created.

Obama will reduce the number of forces in Iraq, but does the mean an overall reduction in the government budget? Especially since he's giving out $800B in stimulus check(s) and a push for public job creation, I think not.

Whoa, fellow! Bush is giving out that money at present. Even though Obama agrees that we have to prop up the banks, I bet after the 20th of January, the banks will find some new rules that go with the money.

 

[Old Rocks]

I sure as hell don't know, but I expect it to happen cause the obamalama promised it. To exactly 95% of us.

Well, let's see, If I subtract the amount that my small peices of real estate have gone down in value from the tax cuts I recieve from Bush, I get a negative number. One rather larger than the tax cuts. But then, I suppose that I should be thanking my lucky stars, for I still have over 50% equity in what I own.

At some time, somebody is going to have to raise taxes. There is this multi-trillion dollar debt out there that is going to have to be paid somehow. And most of that debt aquired under Republican administrations. However, that is not a real worry for me, personally. I will be 66 this year, and will let the rest of you work real hard to keep my SS payments coming in.

 

[Angel Heart]

Amount government spends is inversely correlated with the amount of (private market) jobs created.

Obama will reduce the number of forces in Iraq, but does the mean an overall reduction in the government budget? Especially since he's giving out $800B in stimulus check(s) and a push for public job creation, I think not.

ROFLMAO pulling forces out of Iraq... You still believe that he's going to do that... Didn't you see who he's leaving in charge of the military?

 

[Zoomie1980]

Well, let's see, If I subtract the amount that my small peices of real estate have gone down in value from the tax cuts I recieve from Bush, I get a negative number. One rather larger than the tax cuts. But then, I suppose that I should be thanking my lucky stars, for I still have over 50% equity in what I own.

At some time, somebody is going to have to raise taxes. There is this multi-trillion dollar debt out there that is going to have to be paid somehow. And most of that debt aquired under Republican administrations. However, that is not a real worry for me, personally. I will be 66 this year, and will let the rest of you work real hard to keep my SS payments coming in.

Yes, this is the reality. At some time we have to pay back all this debt. A lot of this bailout money is actually loan based and supposed to be paid back. A lot of it is equity when is supposed to be eventually sold back.

SS is going to have to either increase the payroll deduction or increase the retirement age. No other way to really save it.

 

[Zoomie1980]

ROFLMAO pulling forces out of Iraq... You still believe that he's going to do that... Didn't you see who he's leaving in charge of the military?

Well we are drawing down. Bush has already approved the plans for it, but that is based on current policy. Obama is not really changing Iraq force policy at all, simply going with the already planned drawdown. What is changing is the more than DOUBLING the Afghan force. That's new. But then he has appointed mostly HAWKS to his foreign policy team, so expect no big "push for peace". He is also proceeding with the missile defense deployments to Poland and taking a hard stand against new Russian aggression

 

[mash107]

How can we cut taxes with the debt where it is at? Clinton raised taxes and we sure all suffered for that, didn't we? Sure, the longest sustained economic boom that this nation has ever experianced.

But for every boom, there's a bust? Do you think the Nasdaq boom was Clinton's doing, or Alan Greenspan's?

We need to give credit where it's due. The Federal Reserve is responsible for creating all economic booms and their eventual collapse by forcing expansions of credit.

Whether job creation happens in the public sector or the private sector is an issue that can be determined by him, but I firmly believe booms and recessions are outside a Presidents control (besides failing to abolish the Fed ).

 

[Zoomie1980]

But for every boom, there's a bust? Do you think the Nasdaq boom was Clinton's doing, or Alan Greenspan's?

We need to give credit where it's due. The Federal Reserve is responsible for creating all economic booms and their eventual collapse by forcing expansions of credit.

Whether job creation happens in the public sector or the private sector is an issue that can be determined by him, but I firmly believe booms and recessions are outside a Presidents control (besides failing to abolish the Fed ).

Presidents have virtually NO impact on the economy. The .com boom-bust had nothing to do with Clinton. This crisis had nothing to do with Bush.

You want government scapegoats? Look to Congress and federal appointees to the SEC, Fed, etc....