Zone1 Would Jesus support Donald Trump if alive today?

There are millions of us who read and believe the Scriptures say what is written.
So let me ask you, who thinks of himself as an "us", this:

When Jesus said about when he returned, "but as for those enemies of mine who would not have me for their king, bring them here and slaughter them in my presence." Luke 19:27

Are there millions of people who "just believe" what is written (without thinking) who expect Jesus to command the slaughter of innocent Jews when he returned making any antisemitic malignant narcissist like Hitler or trump seem like a candidate for the returning Christ which also makes all of you "believers" ready willing and able to murder innocent Jewish people?

As if it was a religious duty? Because that's what is written in scripture? Copra sanctum!

Can't you see the fateful dilemma you are trapped in by taking scripture literally?? Schmuck.
 
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From what I recall of the Gospels (books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) Jesus rarely concerned himself with earthly matters of the Roman Empire. His render unto Ceasar comment for example was the result of the Pharisees and Scribes trying to trap him because of his threat to their religious authority.

My answer of whether Trump would be supported by Jesus, is that I don't see the question as being pertinent.
 
Jesus never sided politically. At least in what we can read in the Gospels.
When the leaders tried to corner Jesus into a political corner, he knew their intent, and told them to give to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God, what is God's.
Nothing belonged to caesar. Everything belongs to God. Jesus never claimed to be anything but a teacher, the prophet described in Deuteronomy 18:18, but his teaching inspires the faithful to act against "celestial powers, and principalities" which is indeed spiritual warfare against political ideologies of the ruling elite who prey on the rest of the population for cash.
 
Jesus never sided politically. At least in what we can read in the Gospels.
When the leaders tried to corner Jesus into a political corner, he knew their intent, and told them to give to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God, what is God's.

Paul encourages first century Christians to abide within the civil laws of where they live and in Roman's says that all authority is ordained by god.

The old covenant was nationalized within the nation of Israel.
The old covenant is done, gone away with.
Instead of a intercessor, like a high priest, the new covenant is now between God and Man. That is why our bodies are a holy temple beause the holy spirity now can reside in man, and not a man made structure, like the old temple. Which was destroyed in 70 AD.

The idea that God still favors 'nations' is BS and antithesis to the crucifixion of Jesus and the end of the old covenant.
What about God and actions taken by countries. I know as mortal man we can only express our feelings and none of know 100% for sure. I am referring to how immigrants are being treated in the USA, currently.
 
What about God and actions taken by countries. I know as mortal man we can only express our feelings and none of know 100% for sure. I am referring to how immigrants are being treated in the USA, currently.
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I can't think of any reason an immigrant would have any concerns about how they're being treated..

I do, however, think that all the illegal aliens still here have every right to be scared ****less.







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I can't think of any reason an immigrant would have any concerns about how they're being treated..

I do, however, think that all the illegal aliens still here have every right to be scared ****less.







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You obviously reject God's teachings on compassion. Do you pick and choose which teachings of God you follow?
"His emphasis was on care, compassion, and justice for all people, especially the vulnerable."
 
No I didn't miss anything. You consistently express yourself as a we or an us.

Anytime someone expresses themselves in the plural they either thing of themselves as royalty or are speaking for crowd UNAWARE. Either way the prognosis is not good.


Such is the nature of the beast.
What's funny is you think that's what I'm doing. I'm not, I'm speaking for those who believe as I do, and there are millions of us. I am but one, so you can disabuse yourself of that fallacy. I doubt, however, that you will do so.
I agree! Satan is whatever bastard told you that a trinity became a man so you can sin with impunity for life as long as you celebrate human sacrifice and practice idolatry. Damn.

SUCKER.
And he is a master at perverting the plain meaning of God's Word. He did it in the garden when he cast doubt on God's prohibition and the punishment that followed.
By revealing the wisdom of my God hidden in the Law I have transformed the perception of God for people with enough intelligence to put on their pants in the morning from one being that of a a cruel and capricious petty tyrant with the carnal obsessions of diet fashion and the sexual preferences of consenting adults to a loving dedicated and benevolent Father.

Thats how I honor my God, in Spirit and in truth.

Can I get an ooh ooh ahh ahh?
Say it plainly. Say that God is holy, righteous, infinite and is to be praised by all of creation, yourself included. Don't dance around as is your standard.
 
So let me ask you, who thinks of himself as an "us", this:

When Jesus said about when he returned, "but as for those enemies of mine who would not have me for their king, bring them here and slaughter them in my presence." Luke 19:27

Are there millions of people who "just believe" what is written (without thinking) who expect Jesus to command the slaughter of innocent Jews when he returned making any antisemitic malignant narcissist like Hitler or trump seem like a candidate for the returning Christ which also makes all of you "believers" ready willing and able to murder innocent Jewish people?

As if it was a religious duty? Because that's what is written in scripture? Copra sanctum!

Can't you see the fateful dilemma you are trapped in by taking scripture literally?? Schmuck.
And your deviousness is once again revealed, as I have never made that claim, yet here you are.

See, it is totally in your nature to pervert God's Word. Let's look at the actual text instead of your perversion, shall we?

Luke ch19:

11 While they were listening to this, he went on to tell them a parable, because he was near Jerusalem and the people thought that the kingdom of God was going to appear at once.
12 He said: “A man of noble birth went to a distant country to have himself appointed king and then to return.
13 So he called ten of his servants and gave them ten minas. ‘Put this money to work,’ he said, ‘until I come back.’
14 But his subjects hated him and sent a delegation after him to say, ‘We don’t want this man to be our king.’
15 He was made king, however, and returned home. Then he sent for the servants to whom he had given the money, in order to find out what they had gained with it.
16 The first one came and said, ‘Sir, your mina has earned ten more.’
17 Well done, my good servant!’ his master replied. ‘Because you have been trustworthy in a very small matter, take charge of ten cities.’
18 The second came and said, ‘Sir, your mina has earned five more.’
19 His master answered, ‘You take charge of five cities.’
20 Then another servant came and said, ‘Sir, here is your mina; I have kept it laid away in a piece of cloth.
21 I was afraid of you, because you are a hard man. You take out what you did not put in and reap what you did not sow.’
22 His master replied, ‘I will judge you by your own words, you wicked servant! You knew, did you, that I am a hard man, taking out what I did not put in, and reaping what I did not sow?
23 Why then didn’t you put my money on deposit, so that when I came back, I could have collected it with interest?’
24 Then he said to those standing by, ‘Take his mina away from him and give it to the one who has ten minas.’
25Sir,’ they said, ‘he already has ten!’
26 He replied, ‘I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what they have will be taken away.
27 But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.’”

Your first clue was the word "PARABLE" that you clearly and obviously (deliberately?) missed when you set out to pervert the Word of God. No one can claim that Jesus is commanding anyone to kill Jews.
 
And your deviousness is once again revealed, as I have never made that claim, yet here you are.
You made the claim to believe in the literal meaning of the words used in scripture and I provided an example how that presents a problem of eternal consequences for "believers".

No one can claim that Jesus is commanding anyone to kill Jews.

But thats exactly what the verse says, literally. You claim to believe literally yet now its a parable? What does the parable mean if not to kill Jews? How do you think Hitler got the nod from the Roman Catholic church who spent centuries openly persecuting and killing Jews?

If this presents no problem within your conscience you are an actor and lying fraud.

Just not a very good one.
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Say it plainly. Say that God is holy, righteous, infinite and is to be praised by all of creation, yourself included. Don't dance around as is your standard.
I said it plainly enough for anyone with a second grade education to understand. Whats your problem? Maybe you should take another look. You think God is impressed by humans saying how wonderful righteous infinite he is and should be praised as they defy his Law and desecrate the WORDS of Jesus? :auiqs.jpg:As if God wants a worm to degrade themselves further and kiss his ass like the accursed kiss trumps ass? You perform this act to impress people.

Guess what! I'm not impressed.

This is how I show love for God and truth. Pay attention! No obsequious bullshit required.

By revealing the wisdom of my God hidden in the Law I have transformed the perception of God for all people with enough intelligence to put on their pants in the morning from being that of a cruel and capricious petty tyrant with the carnal obsessions of diet fashion and the sexual preferences of consenting adult bipeds to a loving dedicated and benevolent Father.

Thats how I honor God, in Spirit and in truth. No temple no priests to rob the dead no church mosque synagogue candles chanting standing up sitting down or kneeling required. Damn.

"Obsequious describes an adjective for someone excessively fawning, servile, or eager to please, usually to gain favor from a person of higher status or power. This ingratiating behavior often implies a lack of sincerity and independence, characterized by excessive obedience and flattery. It carries a negative connotation, signaling uncomfortable or insincere subservience."

Can I get an ooh ooh ahh ahh?
 
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You cant escape the logic. Hell is bad. Refuse Jesus or your not baptized you go to hell. Thats called punishment. You dont understand your own dogma. Hell doesnt fit my moral values
The concept of hell emerged during the Greco-Roman period in Judaism as a way to understand suffering and maintain faith in divine justice. It was a response to oppression where people hoped for retribution against evildoers.
 
You made the claim to believe in the literal meaning of the words used in scripture and I provided an example how that presents a problem of eternal consequences for "believers".



But thats exactly what the verse says, literally. You claim to believe literally yet now its a parable? What does the parable mean if not to kill Jews? How do you think Hitler got the nod from the Roman Catholic church who spent centuries openly persecuting and killing Jews?

If this presents no problem within your conscience you are an actor and lying fraud.

Just not a very good one.
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It's a parable because the Bible EXPLICTLY says it is. I quoted that part, remember? This is how you cannot accept ANY of the Word as it is written.
 
It's a parable because the Bible EXPLICTLY says it is. I quoted that part, remember? This is how you cannot accept ANY of the Word as it is written.
So explain what Jesus meant by calling for the slaughter of Jews if not slaughtering Jews?

Take your time....

You might end up perjuring yourself in the name of God if not careful. But I guess that doesn't matter to someone who professes to love and worship a trinity by saying what an amazing, awesome, manly, powerful, infinite, cruel and petty tyrant of a God he is. LOL
 
I said it plainly enough for anyone with a second grade education to understand. Whats your problem? Maybe you should take another look. You think God is impressed by humans saying how wonderful righteous infinite he is and should be praised as they defy his Law and desecrate the WORDS of Jesus? :auiqs.jpg:As if God wants a worm to degrade themselves further and kiss his ass like the accursed kiss trumps ass? You perform this act to impress people.

Guess what! I'm not impressed.

This is how I show love for God and truth. Pay attention! No obsequious bullshit required.

By revealing the wisdom of my God hidden in the Law I have transformed the perception of God for all people with enough intelligence to put on their pants in the morning from being that of a cruel and capricious petty tyrant with the carnal obsessions of diet fashion and the sexual preferences of consenting adult bipeds to a loving dedicated and benevolent Father.

Thats how I honor God, in Spirit and in truth. No temple no priests to rob the dead no church mosque synagogue candles chanting standing up sitting down or kneeling required. Damn.

"Obsequious describes an adjective for someone excessively fawning, servile, or eager to please, usually to gain favor from a person of higher status or power. This ingratiating behavior often implies a lack of sincerity and independence, characterized by excessive obedience and flattery. It carries a negative connotation, signaling uncomfortable or insincere subservience."

Can I get an ooh ooh ahh ahh?
I notice, and I'm sure that others do as well, that your "giving glory to God" is all about you and not so much about God. You cannot even bring yourself to proclaim, clearly and proudly, that God is worthy of all praise, glory and honor, and that all creation will bow before Him.

Then you wonder why you are accused of being guided by someone other than God Himself.
 
So explain what Jesus meant by calling for the slaughter of Jews if not slaughtering Jews?

Take your time....
It was a parable that contained a warning for those who reject Christ. Nowhere does it indicate that followers of Christ are to slaughter Jews. The parable references a judgement, when all will face God and give account for what they did with the gifts He entrusted them with. Those who rejected Him outright are destroyed. Note that this is done AT JUDGEMENT, and not at any time before. Nowhere in the parable does it say anything about loyalists killing anyone before the king's return. No, if you want this passage to mean that God wants Jews to be slaughtered, it has to happen at judgement, which means you don't get to do it now.

Your refusal to see the Word through common sense leads you down very weird and strange paths, and this is one of them.
 
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I notice, and I'm sure that others do as well, that your "giving glory to God" is all about you and not so much about God.
Wrong. I demonstrate my love for God by doing what he says. Not by trying to impress other people with how faithful I am by saying stupid things like you are such an awesome powerful infinite God as you openly and brazenly defy his Laws and desecrate the Words of Jesus.
 
Nowhere does it indicate that followers of Christ are to slaughter Jews.
Seriously? You might not realize this but your sorcery has absolutely no effect on me.

"but as for those enemies of mine who would not have me for their king, bring them here and slaughter them in my presence." Luke 19:27
 
Wrong. I demonstrate my love for God by doing what he says. Not by trying to impress other people with how faithful I am by saying stupid things like you are such an awesome powerful infinite God as you openly and brazenly defy his Laws and desecrate the Words of Jesus.
Then I will make it even easier for you. Do you accept God as being worthy of all glory, honor and praise, and do you admit that all creation will bow before Him and that you, being created, will joyfully join them? A simple yes or no will suffice.
 
Seriously? You might not realize this but your sorcery has absolutely no effect on me.

"but as for those enemies of mine who would not have me for their king, bring them here and slaughter them in my presence." Luke 19:27
In a parable Jesus told. You do know what a parable is, don't you?
 
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