Zone1 Would Jesus support Donald Trump if alive today?

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

I dont know

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He would tie a millstone around the neck of anyone who harms a child, and throw them in the sea.

 

[hobelim]

You claim to follow historical Jesus teachings, yet you reject the rest of the New Testament, and reject the Gospels that quote Jesus.

Then you claim he is fictional.

Which is it? Do you follow his teachings or not?

Great questions!

I do follow the teachings of the real historical Jesus and believe in the bread of life, the bread of the presence, that God is present in the WORDS that came to Jesus like manna, bread from heaven, and became his flesh, his teaching, about how to understand the figurative nature of the WORDS used in the Law and HIDDEN subjects, and the only WAY to comply with that instruction that fulfills the promise of eternal life in the sanctuary of God on earth.

The fictional Jesus, the Antichrist, was conjured from the depths of a roman hell, created in the image and likeness of Mithras, with all the powerful supernatural "miracles of the lie" that scripture is to be taken literally, and unleashed on the world in 325ce, a trinity that raped a virgin to become a Jewish mangod, and perfect human sacrifice, derp, so that believers can sin with impunity for life, practice idolatry, and not suffer the dearth, a curse, for practicing idolatry perpetuated by crafty pagans who knew nothing of Jewish thought, beliefs, and literary expressions, used for thousands of years, the figurative language of the prophets.

Here’s a test for you, is homosexuality a sin or not?

Sure it is, every time you lift your skirt to get shafted by trump and his fascist minions.

 

[theHawk]

Great questions!

First I do follow the teachings of Jesus and believe in the bread of life, the bread of the presence, that God is present in the WORDS that came to Jesus like bread from heaven and became his flesh, his teaching about how to understand the figurative nature of the WORDS used in the Law and hidden subjects, and do it, that fulfills the promise of eternal life in the sanctuary of God on earth.

The fictional Jesus, the Antichrist, was conjured from the depths of a roman hell, created in the image and likeness of Mithras, with all the powerful supernatural "miracles of the lie" that scripture is to be taken literally, and unleashed on the world in 325ce, a trinity that raped a virgin to become a Jewish mangod, and perfect human sacrifice, derp, so that believers can sin with impunity for life, practice idolatry, and not suffer the dearth, a curse, for practicing idolatry perpetuated by pagans who knew nothing of Jewish thought, beliefs, and literary expressions, used for thousands of years, the figurative language of the prophets.


Sure it is, every time you lift your skirt to get shafted by trump and his fascist minions.

How can you follow historical teachings teachings if they were perverted in some way by the Romans?

Where are the “real” teachings at? Let me guess, you just pick and choose which verses you think are authentic, then just call any you don’t like as “Roman fiction”.

Let the tap dancing begin…

 

[hobelim]

How can you follow historical teachings teachings if they were perverted in some way by the Romans?

I just studied the Bible, learned about Judaism, and applied that knowledge to understanding the New Testament written by Jewish people about a Jewish man, the messiah. Simple.

The Romans assimilated and perverted Christianity by teaching that scripture is to be taken literally in 325ce effectively burying the teachings of Jesus under a mountain of blasphemy.

Just toss all the crap the churches teach into the trash and try to use your own brain to learn what Jesus was really teaching during a time when there was no such thing as freedom of speech and people were beaten imprisoned enslaved maimed and killed for trivial reasons daily. If you look and look and keep on looking you will find it. If you don't you never will.

 

[theHawk]

so that believers can sin with impunity for life, practice idolatry, and not suffer the dearth, a curse, for practicing idolatry perpetuated

None of which is in Christianity.

You may be forgiven for sins, when they are confessed. Even then you may still have punitive actions, such as time spent in purgatory. We do not practice idolatry, worshipping a false god. Who claimed we don’t suffer death? That is absurd, but we strive for everlasting life after mortal death. Who says we can’t be cursed? Anyone who leaves themselves open to spiritual attack can be “cursed”.

 

[theHawk]

I just studied the Bible, learned about Judaism, and applied that knowledge to understanding the New Testament written by Jewish people about a Jewish man, the messiah. Simple.

The Romans assimilated and perverted Christianity by teaching that scripture is to be taken literally in 325ce effectively burying the teachings of Jesus under a mountain of blasphemy.

Just toss all the crap the churches teach into the trash and try to use your own brain to learn what Jesus was really teaching during a time when there was no such thing as freedom of speech and people were beaten imprisoned enslaved maimed and killed for trivial reasons daily. If you look and look and keep on looking you will find it. If you don't you never will.

So the whole Bible itself is legitimate? Yes or no.

 

[theHawk]

I just studied the Bible, learned about Judaism, and applied that knowledge to understanding the New Testament written by Jewish people about a Jewish man, the messiah. Simple.

In other words you are your own Pope. You get to interpret everything the way you want, because you are so intelligent.

 

[hobelim]

So the whole Bible itself is legitimate? Yes or no.

Yes. As long as you have the keys to understanding fantastical stories that you already know are impossible to be literally true. Even of greater value than any fairy tale, myth, or fable. I would compare it to the answer to voyagers search for extraterrestrial life thousands of years before it was sent into outer space. Help from otherworldly being, instruction for the inhabitants of the earth about how to live a fulfilling life in the realm of God among higher eternal intelligences.

 

[hobelim]

In other words you are your own Pope. You get to interpret everything the way you want, because you are so intelligent.

Screw the Pope. You need a Pope? The Pope is perpetuating celebrating the human sacrifice of Jesus, an innocent Jewish man, The Messiah, to a Mithran trinity. What is done at mass is an open defiance of the Law of God, and brazen desecration of the WORDS of Jesus expressing pure hatred for both Jesus and the Hebrew God who is one, not three.

Do you need a pope to understand the lessons in the story of Pinocchio?

 

[theHawk]

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He would tie a millstone around the neck of anyone who harms a child, and throw them in the sea.
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To be fair Jesus said it would be better for them to have a millstone tied around their neck and thrown into the sea. What awaits those who would harm his followers (the little ones) is far worse.

 

[theHawk]

Yes. As long as you have the keys to understanding fantastical stories that you already know are impossible to be literally true. Even of greater value than any fairy tale, myth, or fable. I would compare it to the answer to voyagers search for extraterrestrial life thousands of years before it was sent into outer space. Help from otherworldly being, instruction for the inhabitants of the earth about how to live a fulfilling life in the realm of God among higher eternal intelligences.

^^ there we have it. YOU are the POPE! YOU have been given the KEYS!

Yea, you’re not totally delusional…

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

To be fair Jesus said it would be better for them to have a millstone tied around their neck and thrown into the sea. What awaits those who would harm his followers (the little ones) is far worse.

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You are correct. Thanks.

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[theHawk]

Screw the Pope. You need a Pope? The Pope is perpetuating celebrating the human sacrifice of Jesus, an innocent Jewish man to a Mithran trinity. What is done at mass is an open defiance of the Law of God, and brazen desecration of the WORDS of Jesus expressing pure hatred for both Jesus and the Hebrew God who is one.

Do you need a pope to understand the lessons in the story of Pinocchio?

Pssst, Jesus didn’t not give us the New Testament. The Church did. Jesus gave us the Church, he gave Peter the keys, and told the apostles that what they bind on earth, will be bound in heaven. He promised this church would prevail against the gates of hell.

You claim you appeal to the Bible, but the Bible was given to us by the church, by the magisterium. How can you get authority from a book when you reject its authors?

 

[hobelim]

there we have it. YOU are the POPE! YOU have been given the KEYS!

Yes, and I have given the keys to you! No need to thank me. Any story in scripture that contradicts what you already know to be true about reality is like a giant X on a treasure map marking the exact place where something of great value has been buried and hidden.

You believe a trinity raped a virgin to become a sacrificial Jewish man so believers who throw him under the bus, celebrate his death and eat a cracker can sin with impunity for life.

And I'm the crazy one?

 

[theHawk]

You believe a trinity raped a virgin to become a sacrificial Jewish man so believers who throw him under the bus

No, Mary consented to carrying Jesus, just as was foretold in the Old Testament that a virgin would give birth to the messiah.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

No, Mary consented to carrying Jesus, just as was foretold in the Old Testament that a virgin would give birth to the messiah.

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And she continued to consent to everything that was asked of her, through her whole life.

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[BreezeWood]

Christian values were applied in creating the laws of our nation. You just want to make believe they were all atheists or something. It’s a total fiction.

who actually wrote the u s constitution obviously was not a desert dwelling zealot as yourself is what you really mean and are not willing to accept that reality as fact.

- the constitution is a secular document written most likely by a deist and certainly w/ the backing of most founders themselves of similar beliefs in lite of the religious tyranny, christianity they experienced in europe.

 

[0311]

Do you really feel Jesus Christ would support Trump and MAGA if alive today.
I have a hard time believing he would.
MAGA is the opposite of many of Jesus's key teachings.

• Jesus’s call for humility and service over power and wealth.
• His commands to love and care for outsiders and the disadvantaged
• Jesus never sought political office or power and urged His followers to seek God’s kingdom rather than worldly rule.
• His emphasis was on care, compassion, and justice for all people, especially the vulnerable.
• He challenged religious and political leaders alike when they ignored mercy and righteousness
• Love your neighbor as yourself.” (Mark 12:31)
• “I was a stranger and you welcomed me.” (Matthew 25:35)
• The Good Samaritan (Luke 10) centers moral duty on care for foreigners and enemies.
• Jesus rejects earthly power, status, and domination (Matthew 20:25–28).
• Jesus condemns deception and hypocrisy (Matthew 23).
• Jesus repeatedly warns against wealth and neglect of the poor (Luke 12, Luke 16).
• What mortal man does not realize we are all flawed and ask Jesus for forgiveness? Trump has said "Why do I have to repent or ask for forgiveness, if I am not making mistakes?"
• 'Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; life does not consist in an abundance of possessions'” (Luke 12:15).

He would have rejected 47 and all that he stood for. Remember, according to the myth Yeshua (proper spelling) kick the money lenders out of the tent. Today's MAGA would consider to LIBERAL!

 

[0311]

Yes, and I have given the keys to you! No need to thank me. Any story in scripture that contradicts what you already know to be true about reality is like a giant X on a treasure map marking the exact place where something of great value has been buried and hidden.

You believe a trinity raped a virgin to become a sacrificial Jewish man so believers who throw him under the bus, celebrate his death and eat a cracker can sin with impunity for life.

And I'm the crazy one?

His son was a BASTARD, hie let some other schmuck raise him. He raped the mother of his child and let another guy raise him. The ultimate absentee dad.

 

[BreezeWood]

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He would tie a millstone around the neck of anyone who harms a child, and throw them in the sea.

they have already -

those children as well demons in the making desert dwellers even before their false religions made to persecute and victimize the innocent came to being by the lies of a single being, abraham and those that use their lie for their own selfish purposes.