Would anyone benefit from a moon base...

[harmonica]

...other than NA$A???

Yes, mankind as a whole. Man needs to get off of this one rock. Our very survival as a species requires it. Some asteroid has our name on it, I want to be able to stop it.

A moon base makes that job a LOT easier.

Just as a communications base for our mining operations in the rest of the solar system, hell yeah, a moon base is well worth the price.
But said base would also be priceless as a logistics depot, farming, warehousing, water source, etc, and all done in a much smaller gravity well

....surely you jest.....mining in the solar system??!!!! there is NO WAY you can make money in the solar system
..what are you mining?? it takes MORE fuel for MORE minerals/etc = MORE weight = ridiculous /etc

There are asteroids worth trillions of dollars. A spaceship lands on the asteroid and builds an engine on the surface. That engine propels the asteroid to high earth orbit where it is then mined.

Then, you use a space elevator to bring the minerals to the surface.

and how much does this cost?

 

[westwall]

...other than NA$A???

Yes, mankind as a whole. Man needs to get off of this one rock. Our very survival as a species requires it. Some asteroid has our name on it, I want to be able to stop it.

A moon base makes that job a LOT easier.

Just as a communications base for our mining operations in the rest of the solar system, hell yeah, a moon base is well worth the price.
But said base would also be priceless as a logistics depot, farming, warehousing, water source, etc, and all done in a much smaller gravity well

....surely you jest.....mining in the solar system??!!!! there is NO WAY you can make money in the solar system
..what are you mining?? it takes MORE fuel for MORE minerals/etc = MORE weight = ridiculous /etc

There are asteroids worth trillions of dollars. A spaceship lands on the asteroid and builds an engine on the surface. That engine propels the asteroid to high earth orbit where it is then mined.

Then, you use a space elevator to bring the minerals to the surface.

and how much does this cost?

A lot. But the return on investment is more than worth it.

 

[harmonica]

...other than NA$A???

Yes, mankind as a whole. Man needs to get off of this one rock. Our very survival as a species requires it. Some asteroid has our name on it, I want to be able to stop it.

A moon base makes that job a LOT easier.

Just as a communications base for our mining operations in the rest of the solar system, hell yeah, a moon base is well worth the price.
But said base would also be priceless as a logistics depot, farming, warehousing, water source, etc, and all done in a much smaller gravity well

....surely you jest.....mining in the solar system??!!!! there is NO WAY you can make money in the solar system
..what are you mining?? it takes MORE fuel for MORE minerals/etc = MORE weight = ridiculous /etc

There are asteroids worth trillions of dollars. A spaceship lands on the asteroid and builds an engine on the surface. That engine propels the asteroid to high earth orbit where it is then mined.

Then, you use a space elevator to bring the minerals to the surface.

and how much does this cost?

A lot. But the return on investment is more than worth it.

'''a lot''''''!!!!??????? hahahahahah very scientific
where are your statistics!!!!????

 

[toobfreak]

...other than NA$A???

What a stupid question.

 

[westwall]

...other than NA$A???

Yes, mankind as a whole. Man needs to get off of this one rock. Our very survival as a species requires it. Some asteroid has our name on it, I want to be able to stop it.

A moon base makes that job a LOT easier.

Just as a communications base for our mining operations in the rest of the solar system, hell yeah, a moon base is well worth the price.
But said base would also be priceless as a logistics depot, farming, warehousing, water source, etc, and all done in a much smaller gravity well

....surely you jest.....mining in the solar system??!!!! there is NO WAY you can make money in the solar system
..what are you mining?? it takes MORE fuel for MORE minerals/etc = MORE weight = ridiculous /etc

There are asteroids worth trillions of dollars. A spaceship lands on the asteroid and builds an engine on the surface. That engine propels the asteroid to high earth orbit where it is then mined.

Then, you use a space elevator to bring the minerals to the surface.

and how much does this cost?

A lot. But the return on investment is more than worth it.

'''a lot''''''!!!!??????? hahahahahah very scientific
where are your statistics!!!!????

Figure a trillion and half to develop the tech to get to the asteroid belt. Add another trillion dollars to build it and go.

ONE asteroid pays for it. There are thousands of asteroids.

 

[harmonica]

...other than NA$A???

Yes, mankind as a whole. Man needs to get off of this one rock. Our very survival as a species requires it. Some asteroid has our name on it, I want to be able to stop it.

A moon base makes that job a LOT easier.

Just as a communications base for our mining operations in the rest of the solar system, hell yeah, a moon base is well worth the price.
But said base would also be priceless as a logistics depot, farming, warehousing, water source, etc, and all done in a much smaller gravity well

....surely you jest.....mining in the solar system??!!!! there is NO WAY you can make money in the solar system
..what are you mining?? it takes MORE fuel for MORE minerals/etc = MORE weight = ridiculous /etc

There are asteroids worth trillions of dollars. A spaceship lands on the asteroid and builds an engine on the surface. That engine propels the asteroid to high earth orbit where it is then mined.

Then, you use a space elevator to bring the minerals to the surface.

and how much does this cost?

A lot. But the return on investment is more than worth it.

'''a lot''''''!!!!??????? hahahahahah very scientific
where are your statistics!!!!????

Figure a trillion and half to develop the tech to get to the asteroid belt. Add another trillion dollars to build it and go.

ONE asteroid pays for it. There are thousands of asteroids.

1.also, very scientific --great statistics ..and you back them up with many links hahahhahahahahahahahah
2. so you develop the ''tech'' in about--what? a year?
3. they couldn't even bring Shuttle crews down or launch them safely !!!!!!!!!!!

 

[toobfreak]

...other than NA$A???

Yes, mankind as a whole. Man needs to get off of this one rock. Our very survival as a species requires it. Some asteroid has our name on it, I want to be able to stop it.

A moon base makes that job a LOT easier.

Just as a communications base for our mining operations in the rest of the solar system, hell yeah, a moon base is well worth the price.
But said base would also be priceless as a logistics depot, farming, warehousing, water source, etc, and all done in a much smaller gravity well

....surely you jest.....mining in the solar system??!!!! there is NO WAY you can make money in the solar system
..what are you mining?? it takes MORE fuel for MORE minerals/etc = MORE weight = ridiculous /etc

There are asteroids worth trillions of dollars. A spaceship lands on the asteroid and builds an engine on the surface. That engine propels the asteroid to high earth orbit where it is then mined.

Then, you use a space elevator to bring the minerals to the surface.

and how much does this cost?

A lot. But the return on investment is more than worth it.

'''a lot''''''!!!!??????? hahahahahah very scientific
where are your statistics!!!!????

Figure a trillion and half to develop the tech to get to the asteroid belt. Add another trillion dollars to build it and go.

ONE asteroid pays for it. There are thousands of asteroids.

You are not even allowing for all the spinoff technologies that would come from an outgrowth of that which would advance everything from science to technology, to communications to medicine.

 

[westwall]

...other than NA$A???

Yes, mankind as a whole. Man needs to get off of this one rock. Our very survival as a species requires it. Some asteroid has our name on it, I want to be able to stop it.

A moon base makes that job a LOT easier.

Just as a communications base for our mining operations in the rest of the solar system, hell yeah, a moon base is well worth the price.
But said base would also be priceless as a logistics depot, farming, warehousing, water source, etc, and all done in a much smaller gravity well

....surely you jest.....mining in the solar system??!!!! there is NO WAY you can make money in the solar system
..what are you mining?? it takes MORE fuel for MORE minerals/etc = MORE weight = ridiculous /etc

There are asteroids worth trillions of dollars. A spaceship lands on the asteroid and builds an engine on the surface. That engine propels the asteroid to high earth orbit where it is then mined.

Then, you use a space elevator to bring the minerals to the surface.

and how much does this cost?

A lot. But the return on investment is more than worth it.

'''a lot''''''!!!!??????? hahahahahah very scientific
where are your statistics!!!!????

Figure a trillion and half to develop the tech to get to the asteroid belt. Add another trillion dollars to build it and go.

ONE asteroid pays for it. There are thousands of asteroids.

1.also, very scientific --great statistics ..and you back them up with many links hahahhahahahahahahahah
2. so you develop the ''tech'' in about--what? a year?
3. they couldn't even bring Shuttle crews down or launch them safely !!!!!!!!!!!

Estimates are based on my time working on LANDSAT 1. The time to develop is actually pretty low. Figure 20 years to do the hard work. Then another 10 working out the bugs. That puts us on the road to the asteroid belt in 31 years. It will take 5 years out, a year on the rock, then 10 to 15 years to get it back.

That's assuming (which is a reasonable one) that we develop a useful ion drive, or something even better.

 

[westwall]

...other than NA$A???

Yes, mankind as a whole. Man needs to get off of this one rock. Our very survival as a species requires it. Some asteroid has our name on it, I want to be able to stop it.

A moon base makes that job a LOT easier.

Just as a communications base for our mining operations in the rest of the solar system, hell yeah, a moon base is well worth the price.
But said base would also be priceless as a logistics depot, farming, warehousing, water source, etc, and all done in a much smaller gravity well

....surely you jest.....mining in the solar system??!!!! there is NO WAY you can make money in the solar system
..what are you mining?? it takes MORE fuel for MORE minerals/etc = MORE weight = ridiculous /etc

There are asteroids worth trillions of dollars. A spaceship lands on the asteroid and builds an engine on the surface. That engine propels the asteroid to high earth orbit where it is then mined.

Then, you use a space elevator to bring the minerals to the surface.

and how much does this cost?

A lot. But the return on investment is more than worth it.

'''a lot''''''!!!!??????? hahahahahah very scientific
where are your statistics!!!!????

Figure a trillion and half to develop the tech to get to the asteroid belt. Add another trillion dollars to build it and go.

ONE asteroid pays for it. There are thousands of asteroids.

You not even allowing for all the spinoff technologies that would come from an outgrowth of that which would advance everything from science to technology, to communications to medicine.

Exactly! I was only dealing with the primary technology. Harmonica doesn't seem to understand that most of the tech advances in medicine over the last 40 years are because of Apollo.

 

[harmonica]

...other than NA$A???

Yes, mankind as a whole. Man needs to get off of this one rock. Our very survival as a species requires it. Some asteroid has our name on it, I want to be able to stop it.

A moon base makes that job a LOT easier.

Just as a communications base for our mining operations in the rest of the solar system, hell yeah, a moon base is well worth the price.
But said base would also be priceless as a logistics depot, farming, warehousing, water source, etc, and all done in a much smaller gravity well

....surely you jest.....mining in the solar system??!!!! there is NO WAY you can make money in the solar system
..what are you mining?? it takes MORE fuel for MORE minerals/etc = MORE weight = ridiculous /etc

There are asteroids worth trillions of dollars. A spaceship lands on the asteroid and builds an engine on the surface. That engine propels the asteroid to high earth orbit where it is then mined.

Then, you use a space elevator to bring the minerals to the surface.

and how much does this cost?

A lot. But the return on investment is more than worth it.

'''a lot''''''!!!!??????? hahahahahah very scientific
where are your statistics!!!!????

Figure a trillion and half to develop the tech to get to the asteroid belt. Add another trillion dollars to build it and go.

ONE asteroid pays for it. There are thousands of asteroids.

You not even allowing for all the spinoff technologies that would come from an outgrowth of that which would advance everything from science to technology, to communications to medicine.

Exactly! I was only dealing with the primary technology. Harmonica doesn't seem to understand that most of the tech advances in medicine over the last 40 years are because of Apollo.

..they can advance technology MUCH MUCH faster at a lower cost by NOT including needs for space travel/etc

 

[westwall]

...other than NA$A???

Yes, mankind as a whole. Man needs to get off of this one rock. Our very survival as a species requires it. Some asteroid has our name on it, I want to be able to stop it.

A moon base makes that job a LOT easier.

Just as a communications base for our mining operations in the rest of the solar system, hell yeah, a moon base is well worth the price.
But said base would also be priceless as a logistics depot, farming, warehousing, water source, etc, and all done in a much smaller gravity well

....surely you jest.....mining in the solar system??!!!! there is NO WAY you can make money in the solar system
..what are you mining?? it takes MORE fuel for MORE minerals/etc = MORE weight = ridiculous /etc

There are asteroids worth trillions of dollars. A spaceship lands on the asteroid and builds an engine on the surface. That engine propels the asteroid to high earth orbit where it is then mined.

Then, you use a space elevator to bring the minerals to the surface.

and how much does this cost?

A lot. But the return on investment is more than worth it.

'''a lot''''''!!!!??????? hahahahahah very scientific
where are your statistics!!!!????

Figure a trillion and half to develop the tech to get to the asteroid belt. Add another trillion dollars to build it and go.

ONE asteroid pays for it. There are thousands of asteroids.

You not even allowing for all the spinoff technologies that would come from an outgrowth of that which would advance everything from science to technology, to communications to medicine.

Exactly! I was only dealing with the primary technology. Harmonica doesn't seem to understand that most of the tech advances in medicine over the last 40 years are because of Apollo.

..they can advance technology MUCH MUCH faster at a lower cost by NOT including needs for space travel/etc

No, they can't. Without a goal tech increase is fairly slow. Two things give enough pressure to generate major tech increases fast, war, and space.

 

[toobfreak]

Exactly! I was only dealing with the primary technology. Harmonica doesn't seem to understand that most of the tech advances in medicine over the last 40 years are because of Apollo.

..they can advance technology MUCH MUCH faster at a lower cost by NOT including needs for space travel/etc

That is pure rubbish. You don't seem to understand that it is the environment and challenges of space impossible to duplicate on Earth that drives much of the discovery. Part of the reason why they have the ISS, because there are certain things which can only be done, tested, studied, developed in the weightlessness of space, not that this is all of it.

You can't duplicate space in a swimming pool nor even in a falling jet for a few seconds.

 

[Unkotare]

...other than NA$A???

Yes.

 

[toobfreak]

No, they can't. Without a goal tech increase is fairly slow. Two things give enough pressure to generate major tech increases fast, war, and space.

EXACTLY RIGHT. And the funny thing is that as the prospects for mining and developing the Moon and the commercial objectives for the asteroid belt move closer to practicality, those two modalities move closer and closer together unless mankind finds a way of unifying peacefully.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

...other than NA$A???

Helium 3 could be used to fuel nuclear fusion power plants. Its rare on Earth but its believed that the Moon has an abundance of the gas on it's surface.

 

[harmonica]

Exactly! I was only dealing with the primary technology. Harmonica doesn't seem to understand that most of the tech advances in medicine over the last 40 years are because of Apollo.

..they can advance technology MUCH MUCH faster at a lower cost by NOT including needs for space travel/etc

That is pure rubbish. You don't seem to understand that it is the environment and challenges of space impossible to duplicate on Earth that drives much of the discovery. Part of the reason why they have the ISS, because there are certain things which can only be done, tested, studied, developed in the weightlessness of space, not that this is all of it.

You can't duplicate space in a swimming pool nor even in a falling jet for a few seconds.

.....you don't understand--they have to spend a lot of the research for technology on space TRAVEL!! --not on the actual technology
..they can spend a lot more of the $$$$ on the actual things that would help humans if they didn't have to:
launch it
travel to the destination
land it
move it around for years
etc etc

 

[westwall]

Exactly! I was only dealing with the primary technology. Harmonica doesn't seem to understand that most of the tech advances in medicine over the last 40 years are because of Apollo.

..they can advance technology MUCH MUCH faster at a lower cost by NOT including needs for space travel/etc

That is pure rubbish. You don't seem to understand that it is the environment and challenges of space impossible to duplicate on Earth that drives much of the discovery. Part of the reason why they have the ISS, because there are certain things which can only be done, tested, studied, developed in the weightlessness of space, not that this is all of it.

You can't duplicate space in a swimming pool nor even in a falling jet for a few seconds.

.....you don't understand--they have to spend a lot of the research for technology on space TRAVEL!! --not on the actual technology
..they can spend a lot more of the $$$$ on the actual things that would help humans if they didn't have to:
launch it
travel to the destination
land it
move it around for years
etc etc

Mankind could be just fine right now. Our problems are mainly from greedy politicians, and sociopaths seeking power.

Were it not for those people our problems would be minor.

So, we either stat stagnant, or we push ourselves to do more. We can be stuck twirling our fingers just getting by, or we make a long term goal that will break us out of the circle and allow us to truly advance.

Plus it will give us a legit meteor defense system that we desperately need.

 

[harmonica]

Exactly! I was only dealing with the primary technology. Harmonica doesn't seem to understand that most of the tech advances in medicine over the last 40 years are because of Apollo.

..they can advance technology MUCH MUCH faster at a lower cost by NOT including needs for space travel/etc

That is pure rubbish. You don't seem to understand that it is the environment and challenges of space impossible to duplicate on Earth that drives much of the discovery. Part of the reason why they have the ISS, because there are certain things which can only be done, tested, studied, developed in the weightlessness of space, not that this is all of it.

You can't duplicate space in a swimming pool nor even in a falling jet for a few seconds.

.....you don't understand--they have to spend a lot of the research for technology on space TRAVEL!! --not on the actual technology
..they can spend a lot more of the $$$$ on the actual things that would help humans if they didn't have to:
launch it
travel to the destination
land it
move it around for years
etc etc

Mankind could be just fine right now. Our problems are mainly from greedy politicians, and sociopaths seeking power.

Were it not for those people our problems would be minor.

So, we either stat stagnant, or we push ourselves to do more. We can be stuck twirling our fingers just getting by, or we make a long term goal that will break us out of the circle and allow us to truly advance.

Plus it will give us a legit meteor defense system that we desperately need.

....so we send 2.7 billion dollars to Mars--for what? to see if there was/is life?
??!!!!!?

 

[iamwhatiseem]

...other than NA$A???

How can the moon give us clean energy?

A few decades ago, the pursuit of clean energy was "green." Now, it's a necessity. Not only is our power consumption propelling the human race toward a hot, watery, lonely end, but clean energy tends also to be renewable.

science.howstuffworks.com

 

[harmonica]

...other than NA$A???

How can the moon give us clean energy?

A few decades ago, the pursuit of clean energy was "green." Now, it's a necessity. Not only is our power consumption propelling the human race toward a hot, watery, lonely end, but clean energy tends also to be renewable.

science.howstuffworks.com

wooooohooooooo..spend all that time and $$$$ going to the moon and back--when we can do it right here on Earth!

Meet The “Total Solution” to Earth’s Energy Crisis

How some heavy metal can provide safer, cleaner fuel. By Brendan Wright.

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