'Worship' As A Political Concept

[PoliticalChic]

1. "Poll: Almost 60 Percent Of Democrats Think Socialism Is Great For America

Almost 60 percent of Democrats are dumb as a brick, next thread.

Just why are you insulting bricks?????

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. "Poll: Almost 60 Percent Of Democrats Think Socialism Is Great For America
...the poll made clear that socialism meant a greater role for government in the economy and substantial wealth redistribution,..."
Poll: Almost 60 Percent Of Democrats Think Socialism Is Great For America





2. President Trump׃ “We don't worship government We worship God






Clearly, President Trump means real Americans, not Democrats.

Personally I'm not that fond of socialism in its purest form, but I have all respect of those who are, or believe, in a political concept as the major guide to govern.

But I believe very few Americans, democrats or otherwise, do really believe in socialism. From the article:

"In terms of definition, the poll made clear that socialism meant a greater role for government in the economy and substantial wealth redistribution, but the idea itself was not clearly defined by its traditional meaning as government ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange"

What I'm saying is that those asked can't hardly imagine real socialism and instead think in terms of "more fair" or "more solidarity". Don't you agree?

"In terms of definition, the poll made clear that socialism meant a greater role for government in the economy and substantial wealth redistribution, but the idea itself was not clearly defined by its traditional meaning as government ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange"

What I'm saying is that those asked can't hardly imagine real socialism and instead think in terms of "more fair" or "more solidarity". Don't you agree?

The reality is that our political system is binary.
In that context, that means that one either pulls the lever for communists/socialists....

...or for capitalists/the Founders.

Don't you agree?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Trump worships god !? Lol! The guy is a sin machine ! What's Christian about him?

And the winner countries are all socialist . ( using the loose definition of the word )

Just like Obama, Trump is a fake Christian.

I'd also like to point out we have yet another cut n paste thread from the op with little to no intellectual thought or input of her own.

Oooo.....look who's still smarting as a result of the spanking I had to administer to him yesterday.


Beware....plenty more where that came from.

 

[Timmy]

DO y'all not like educating all our children? That's socialism .

 

[PoliticalChic]

Protestants wanting freedom from other Protestants, well most of the founding Fathers, were Deist and or Unitarian .

Deists?
Hardly.

de•ism
noun
belief in the existence of a supreme being, specifically of a creator who does not intervene in the universe. The term is used chiefly of an intellectual movement of the 17th and 18th centuries that accepted the existence of a creator on the basis of reason but rejected belief in a supernatural deity who interacts with humankind. Google




1. "The notion that any of the Founders believed in an impersonal deity who merely created the universe and then left it to itself is false. All of them believed in a God who, as Franklin said at the Constitutional Convention, “governs in the affairs of men.”


Let’s start with George Washington.

Washington’s writings, both public and private, are full of references to the Bible. This is certainly true during his eight years as the first President of the United States.

Here is Washington at his first Inaugural:
“The propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right, which Heaven itself has ordained.”
In all likelihood, Washington was an orthodox Christian.


Like Washington, Benjamin Franklin also referenced Bible verses, stories, and metaphors throughout his life. His calls for prayer at the Constitutional Convention were typical of his attitude. Franklin, who had his own unorthodox views, summed up his faith this way: “That the soul of man is immortal, and will be treated with justice in another life respecting its conduct in this.”

Clearly not a view of God ignoring his creations.


2. When it comes to John Adams, the Leftwing sophists have a field day!

"Adams referred to himself as a Christian throughout his life, but did not believe in traditional Christian doctrines such as the trinity or the divinity of Jesus.... [but] before, during and after his tenure as President, Adams repeatedly asserted his admiration for the Christian faith... Adams spoke of his great respect for the Bible. “[T]he Bible is the best book in the world. It contains more of my… philosophy than all the libraries I have seen…”


a. Those who suggest that Adams was in any way against religion like to quote from a letter he wrote to Thomas Jefferson in which he said, “This would be the best of all possible worlds if there was no religion in it.”

Seems to be a perfect spokesman for Marx or Lenin, no?

Definitely, no.



Unfortunately, those who cite this line never quote the lines that immediately follow “But in this exclamation, I should have been as fanatical as [the skeptics of religion]. Without religion, this world would be something not fit to be mentioned in polite company—I mean hell.”

So, those who quote the first line without quoting the subsequent lines are either unaware of the full comment or are deliberately misleading people as to Adams’s beliefs."
Ibid.


3. "Like Adams, Thomas Jefferson did not adhere to orthodox doctrine. Yet he often declared himself to be a Christian. “I am a Christian, he said, “in the only sense he [Jesus] wished anyone to be: sincerely attached to his doctrines...”

As one of the leaders of the American Revolution, his views are well known. After all, this is the man who wrote in the Declaration of Independence that “all men… are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” You can’t get a much more explicit statement of belief than that.



These four founders – Washington, Adams, Jefferson and Franklin – were practical men with a sober view of human nature. They understood that man is morally weak and that religion provides the best encouragement and incentive to be good.

It does so, first and foremost, by teaching that choices have consequences. Not necessarily in the here and now, but most certainly in the hereafter – meted out by a just God.


It should come as no surprise, then, that Jefferson, in his second inaugural, asked for, “The favor of that Being in whose hands we are, who led our forefathers, as Israel of old, from their native land.”
Were the Founders Religious?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Protestants wanting freedom from other Protestants, well most of the founding Fathers, were Deist and or Unitarian .

And all of them were rooted in the Judeo-Christian values found in the Bible.
“52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” David Limbaugh

 

[ErikViking]

1. "Poll: Almost 60 Percent Of Democrats Think Socialism Is Great For America
...the poll made clear that socialism meant a greater role for government in the economy and substantial wealth redistribution,..."
Poll: Almost 60 Percent Of Democrats Think Socialism Is Great For America





2. President Trump׃ “We don't worship government We worship God






Clearly, President Trump means real Americans, not Democrats.

Personally I'm not that fond of socialism in its purest form, but I have all respect of those who are, or believe, in a political concept as the major guide to govern.

But I believe very few Americans, democrats or otherwise, do really believe in socialism. From the article:

"In terms of definition, the poll made clear that socialism meant a greater role for government in the economy and substantial wealth redistribution, but the idea itself was not clearly defined by its traditional meaning as government ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange"

What I'm saying is that those asked can't hardly imagine real socialism and instead think in terms of "more fair" or "more solidarity". Don't you agree?

"In terms of definition, the poll made clear that socialism meant a greater role for government in the economy and substantial wealth redistribution, but the idea itself was not clearly defined by its traditional meaning as government ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange"

What I'm saying is that those asked can't hardly imagine real socialism and instead think in terms of "more fair" or "more solidarity". Don't you agree?

The reality is that our political system is binary.
In that context, that means that one either pulls the lever for communists/socialists....

...or for capitalists/the Founders.

Don't you agree?

Interesting, that would explain the polarized debate climate?

But do you think that (as you said, socialism is very close to communism) the left/democrats/liberals really think of it that way? Nothing even remotely similar has ever existed in the USA.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. "Poll: Almost 60 Percent Of Democrats Think Socialism Is Great For America
...the poll made clear that socialism meant a greater role for government in the economy and substantial wealth redistribution,..."
Poll: Almost 60 Percent Of Democrats Think Socialism Is Great For America





2. President Trump׃ “We don't worship government We worship God






Clearly, President Trump means real Americans, not Democrats.

Personally I'm not that fond of socialism in its purest form, but I have all respect of those who are, or believe, in a political concept as the major guide to govern.

But I believe very few Americans, democrats or otherwise, do really believe in socialism. From the article:

"In terms of definition, the poll made clear that socialism meant a greater role for government in the economy and substantial wealth redistribution, but the idea itself was not clearly defined by its traditional meaning as government ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange"

What I'm saying is that those asked can't hardly imagine real socialism and instead think in terms of "more fair" or "more solidarity". Don't you agree?

"In terms of definition, the poll made clear that socialism meant a greater role for government in the economy and substantial wealth redistribution, but the idea itself was not clearly defined by its traditional meaning as government ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange"

What I'm saying is that those asked can't hardly imagine real socialism and instead think in terms of "more fair" or "more solidarity". Don't you agree?

The reality is that our political system is binary.
In that context, that means that one either pulls the lever for communists/socialists....

...or for capitalists/the Founders.

Don't you agree?

Interesting, that would explain the polarized debate climate?

But do you think that (as you said, socialism is very close to communism) the left/democrats/liberals really think of it that way? Nothing even remotely similar has ever existed in the USA.

1. "But do you think that (as you said, socialism is very close to communism) the left/democrats/liberals really think of it that way?"
I believe that most Democrats/ Liberals don't think about the foundation of the party that they cast their votes for.
They need to be members of the cult to enjoy that warm embrace.
Those that to make judgments, it is too often based on material and social benefits of giving their political support to the Leftists.

2. Alexis de Tocqueville, writing “Democracy in America” in the 1830’s, described “an immense, tutelary power, which takes sole charge of assuring their enjoyment and of watching over their fate.” As he predicted, this power is “absolute, attentive to detail, regular, provident, and gentle,” and it “works willingly for their happiness, but it wishes to be the only agent and the sole arbiter of that happiness. It provides for their security, foresees and supplies their needs, guides them in their principal affairs, directs their industry, regulates their testaments, divides their inheritances.” It is entirely proper to ask, as he asked, whether it can “relieve them entirely of the trouble of thinking and of the effort associated with living.”


There are, of course, actual Marxists.....e.g., Bernie Sanders.
And, you can see the widespread support he received from Democrats.

 

[Reasonable]

1. "Poll: Almost 60 Percent Of Democrats Think Socialism Is Great For America
...the poll made clear that socialism meant a greater role for government in the economy and substantial wealth redistribution,..."
Poll: Almost 60 Percent Of Democrats Think Socialism Is Great For America





2. President Trump׃ “We don't worship government We worship God



trump worships money and himself. That's it. If you don't know this u don't know squat about him.


Clearly, President Trump means real Americans, not Democrats.

trump worships money and himself. That's it. If you don't know this u don't know squat about him.

 

[Penelope]

Protestants wanting freedom from other Protestants, well most of the founding Fathers, were Deist and or Unitarian .

And all of them were rooted in the Judeo-Christian values found in the Bible.
“52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” David Limbaugh

No they were not. Many were friends with and influenced by Thomas Paine, and the "Age of Reason". Jefferson bible took out all miracles, and Washington referred to God as Providence.

God is a generic term.

You might want to check out the Apotheosis of Washington: and what it means.

Deification of Washington , just like most Caesars. This is in the capital rotunda.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. "Poll: Almost 60 Percent Of Democrats Think Socialism Is Great For America
...the poll made clear that socialism meant a greater role for government in the economy and substantial wealth redistribution,..."
Poll: Almost 60 Percent Of Democrats Think Socialism Is Great For America





2. President Trump׃ “We don't worship government We worship God



trump worships money and himself. That's it. If you don't know this u don't know squat about him.


Clearly, President Trump means real Americans, not Democrats.

trump worships money and himself. That's it. If you don't know this u don't know squat about him.

2. President Trump׃ “We don't worship government We worship God






Clearly, President Trump means real Americans, not Democrats, socialists, communists, or Leftists of every stripe, who worship power over others and, for that reason, hate religion.

 

[Penelope]

1. "Poll: Almost 60 Percent Of Democrats Think Socialism Is Great For America
...the poll made clear that socialism meant a greater role for government in the economy and substantial wealth redistribution,..."
Poll: Almost 60 Percent Of Democrats Think Socialism Is Great For America





2. President Trump׃ “We don't worship government We worship God



trump worships money and himself. That's it. If you don't know this u don't know squat about him.


Clearly, President Trump means real Americans, not Democrats.

trump worships money and himself. That's it. If you don't know this u don't know squat about him.

2. President Trump׃ “We don't worship government We worship God






Clearly, President Trump means real Americans, not Democrats, socialists, communists, or Leftists of every stripe, who worship power over others and, for that reason, hate religion.

One could not be more non- patriotic than Trump and his family. Blacks have been here in the USA longer than my family and probably yours as well.

 

[Mac1958]

I hope Trump's fans don't actually think he's a Christian. It would be sad to see actual, sincere, decent Christians fooled like that.

Surely they know he's just Trumping.
.

 

[peach174]

Protestants wanting freedom from other Protestants, well most of the founding Fathers, were Deist and or Unitarian .

No the majority were religious.

Religion and the Congress of the Confederation - Religion and the Founding of the American Republic | Exhibitions (Library of Congress)

 

[Moonglow]

1. "Poll: Almost 60 Percent Of Democrats Think Socialism Is Great For America
...the poll made clear that socialism meant a greater role for government in the economy and substantial wealth redistribution,..."
Poll: Almost 60 Percent Of Democrats Think Socialism Is Great For America





2. President Trump׃ “We don't worship government We worship God






Clearly, President Trump means real Americans, not Democrats.

Same polls that had Hillary winning in 2016, yeah, bet you life on a poll and see what you get...inaccuracies..

 

[Moonglow]

Trump worships god !? Lol! The guy is a sin machine ! What's Christian about him?

And the winner countries are all socialist . ( using the loose definition of the word )

Just like Obama, Trump is a fake Christian.

I'd also like to point out we have yet another cut n paste thread from the op with little to no intellectual thought or input of her own.

What else do you get with and Ivy league sheepskin and mortar board?

 

[Moonglow]

The OP has repeatedly refused to say that she would abolish Medicaid,

the biggest socialist program in America.

Next to the VA..

 

[Moonglow]

1. "Poll: Almost 60 Percent Of Democrats Think Socialism Is Great For America
...the poll made clear that socialism meant a greater role for government in the economy and substantial wealth redistribution,..."
Poll: Almost 60 Percent Of Democrats Think Socialism Is Great For America





2. President Trump׃ “We don't worship government We worship God






Clearly, President Trump means real Americans, not Democrats.

Personally I'm not that fond of socialism in its purest form, but I have all respect of those who are, or believe, in a political concept as the major guide to govern.

But I believe very few Americans, democrats or otherwise, do really believe in socialism. From the article:

"In terms of definition, the poll made clear that socialism meant a greater role for government in the economy and substantial wealth redistribution, but the idea itself was not clearly defined by its traditional meaning as government ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange"

What I'm saying is that those asked can't hardly imagine real socialism and instead think in terms of "more fair" or "more solidarity". Don't you agree?

Let's see if I can point you in the right direction.

1. Socialism is only different from communism when they aren't yet strong enough to slaughter their citizenry.


a. Liberal and Progressive and Democrat are used interchangeably in general parlance...
Poll: Almost 60 Percent Of Democrats Think Socialism Is Great For America
...the poll made clear that socialism meant a greater role for government in the economy and substantial wealth redistribution,..."
Poll: Almost 60 Percent Of Democrats Think Socialism Is Great For America

Liberals are admitted socialists.

["Liberals care less - Pew divided their sample into different categories across the left-right political spectrum. When asked if respondents “often feel proud to be American,” a majority of strong liberals, 60 percent, said no.
The only group that solidly agreed with the statement was conservatives, ranging from 72 percent to 81 percent."
Stunner: 44 percent not proud to be American | WashingtonExaminer.com]


b. Even Marx admitted that true communism could not come about without revolution. So the statement -- "A communist is a socialist with a gun" can be accepted as a truism.
So....Liberals, Progressives, Socialists = Communists.

a. Liberals and progressives and Democrats are used interchangeably in parlance

When bereft of knowledge in nomenclature it is not unusual to see redundancy and weakness of definition..

 

[Moonglow]

Protestants wanting freedom from other Protestants, well most of the founding Fathers, were Deist and or Unitarian .

And all of them were rooted in the Judeo-Christian values found in the Bible.
“52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” David Limbaugh

Well them protestants had no problem killing like the Bible guides them..

 

[PoliticalChic]

Protestants wanting freedom from other Protestants, well most of the founding Fathers, were Deist and or Unitarian .

And all of them were rooted in the Judeo-Christian values found in the Bible.
“52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” David Limbaugh

No they were not. Many were friends with and influenced by Thomas Paine, and the "Age of Reason". Jefferson bible took out all miracles, and Washington referred to God as Providence.

God is a generic term.

You might want to check out the Apotheosis of Washington: and what it means.

Deification of Washington , just like most Caesars. This is in the capital rotunda.

I just posted facts....you, simple the usual 'is not, isssssss noottttttt!!'

I really seem to have gotten under your skin.

Excellent.