World War III coming in 25 years

[preemptingyou03]

I don't want to sound fatalistic.

But I firmly believe the fight against terrorism, while very important, may be the beginning phases of something huge two decades or so from now.

The Soviet Union collapsed 15 years ago, and the threat of WWIII was thought to be gone. For the time being, that is true. But as we fight terrorism, the Middle East will transform.

Capitalism will take over the Middle East and will defeat the ideology of terrorism. When terrorism dies down, Russia and China will suffer politically, economically, and will feel they must respond militarily.

We're the world's lone superpower, and the Chinese don't want it to remain that way. China and Russia have signed treaties together.

Capitalism in the Middle East will raise the GDP there, and it will hurt the oil contracts Russia had with that region. It will also hurt the military contracts China had with that region.

The North Korean government will reform by that time, whether we take Kim Jong Il out, or his regime collapses. China and Russia will see an expanding American empire by virtue of American ideals.

Now while Russia is a democracy, it is a half-assed democracy. There are many Russian politicians and Russian generals that have the mindset of communists and hate the fact that the very ideals that had the Soviet Union fall apart are the same ideals that are defeating terrorism, as the cost of the Russian economy.

In two decades or so, what you will see is something beyond our imagination. All of this stuff about al-Qaeda and Iraq will seem like nothing.

There will be a coup in Russia, and it will become a communist dictatorship once again. One by one, the New Soviet Union will start to take over Arab states that just recently reformed to capitalist countries, and one by one Russia will inch closer and closer to Germany, France, and Italy. The EU's socialist agenda will not satisfy the diehard communists and the fact that the UK and Italy will try to break away from the EU, will piss off the Russians.

As for China, China will take over Taiwan. China will go after Korea, as well... and it will end up confronting Japan.

World War III will be fought on three fronts... it will start with a Russian attack on the main European countries, like Germany and Italy. (France may sign a non-aggression treaty, which the Soviets will break). The other front with be against the Russians in the Middle East. As for China, China will attack Japan and India and that will spark the third front.

WWIII will actually bring peace between Pakistan and India as they will fight side-by-side against the Chinese and it will bring peace between the Israelis and Palestinians as they fight side-by-side against the Russians.

Some former Soviet states and some people within Korea may rise up and fight us.

It will probably last 7-8 years and there will be many wars within the war. It will be a war of liberation. The liberation of Italy, Germany, Korea, India, Taiwan, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, etc. It would go nuclear, considering China has over a billion people.

We will develop SDI by then and nuclear ICBMs won't damage us that much. We may lose two or three cities at the beginning of the war. And our SDI will allow us to USE nukes without the fear of retaliation, so we will use them wisely.

WWIII will not be an all-out nuclear war for years at end. But maybe once or twice a year, throughout the war, another city will get nuked. China has three cities with over 12 million people.

 

[insein]

The probelm is where is Russia going to get the money to build this massive army to take out all of these countries? The reason Communism failed was because they ran out of money from building too big an army.

 

[preemptingyou03]

What Russia will go through from 1989 until, say... 2027 or so (when stuff will start to heat up) will resemble a lot of what Germany went through from 1918 until 1939. The Allies' policies screwed Germany financially, and it pissed Hitler off. And our mission in the Middle East and Europe's changing climate will piss off these diehard Russian communist generals. Federov Radmonivich or whatever his name will be, will start a coup and will overtake the Red Square.

From here, millions of Russians that oppose this, will be killed.

While we've made our military more able to fight terrorists, we've seen the Chinese communist government and the Russians do the following...

An enormous military build-up, including expansion of their arsenal of strategic nuclear weapons, and introduction of new biological and nuclear weapons with first-strike capability.

A huge expansion of their navies (while the US mothballs over half its ships).

A new form of brinkmanship, in which Russia and China regularly probe America’s defenses.

Huge new civil defense programs, including enormous fallout shelters in Russia (one new underground city is larger than Washington, DC).

The list goes on and on.

 

[preemptingyou03]

My point is Russia's capitalist economy will suffer with the defeat of radical Islam. A free Middle East and the EU will screw Russia over.

I would guess that the person who starts the coup in Russia will be a general and he'll have full military support from his followers and his soldiers. A mindspell.

This isn't unrealistic at all. It is true that China can collapse at any second... then again, it could attack South Korea any second.

Terrorism's today's problem. But Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein will seem like petty stuff when this is all over.

 

[preemptingyou03]

We looked at 9/11 as the start of the War on Terror. And yes, that is true. But I feel rather than think about it in terms like that, I feel I see the world like this: post-Cold War, pre-World War III. We need to get ready. We need to wake up.

Even if the Russian coup doesn't happen (which it will considering ex-Soviet officials run Russia anyway and 12 former Soviet states don't hold popular elections and have communists in charge running a "capitalist" economy) China will soon do their version of preemption on Taiwan. Bush has stated we'll do nuclear to defend Taiwan, (something I disagree with... Taiwan's not worth World War III, but that could just be Bush's form of deterrence). What happens if a conflict broke out with China over Taiwan?

Or what happens if Kim Jong Il develops a nuke, gives it to a terrorist, that terrorist uses it in NYC, and we attack North Korea, which prompts China into the mix? What does Russia do? What does a "democratic" Russia do? Defend its democratic American friends? Or take on it's Chinese enemies, which a few short years ago, were its communist allies?

 

[insein]

I prefer to look at it in a positive light. Russia has only been able to capitalize on arms and oil deals to middle eastern countries due to the totalitarian rule. Now while, those areas will be cut back, it will open up new opportunites for commerce to flow freely though that region of the world. Russia will be able to finally release themselves from the last remaining remnants of the Soviet way of thinking. They will be a true Free Market with many partners to share with in close proximaty to themselves. Much like Europe has good trade due to the closeness of its neighbors, Russia will benefit from having a close, DEPENDABLE trade partner in the middle east. Capitalism will rule and China will be further forced to get rid of the Communist society and come into the 21st century.

I'm not sure they're will be another WW. I hope not. But things can go either way right now. I think we are laying the foundation for a bright century.

 

[NewGuy]

Have you been reading Revelation or something?

This mirrors the Gog-magog war yet to come.

My suggestion is that you look it up. -Since that is most likely where the bulk of the details here have originated and permeated the web via political editorials.

 

[preemptingyou03]

I feel Bush's policy of confronting terrorism with freedom is essential and right. But it may backfire. These nations are preparing. In China's army manual, it states how to defeat the Americans.

Jeffrey Nyquist -- an independent researcher on Russia and author of The Origins of the Fourth World War, predicted that authorities in Russia would deliberately implode their own economy to advance their political and military agendas. There were several reasons. First, that would divert attention from the theft of billions of dollars by government officials from "privatized" companies, and provide a convenient explanation why none of them were making any money. Second, by engendering Russia's economic collapse and blaming the West, the necessary psychological atmosphere for war against the US would be created.

Another outcome of Russia's economic collapse, Nyquist said, would be the emergence of a series of progressively stronger and more militarist Russian leaders. Primakov -- Yeltsin's Prime Minister -- perfectly fits Nyquist's prediction. He's a former hard-line, anti-American KGB general.

Nyquist also predicted that Russia would ally with China. That, too, has now taken place, as you'll see below.

Finally, Nyquist predicted that Russia would stockpile huge quantities of food and other supplies for war, and begin moving their nuclear weapons on to their naval ships where they are much more difficult to monitor and deter. All of this has occurred.

- Newsmax

 

[preemptingyou03]

I haven't read them, now. But I can see it forming. I don't want to sound paranoid or fatalistic. Because it may very well not happen. But I could see it forming.

I don't think the Cold War's over for China and Russia.

 

[insein]

Another reason communism didnt work in the Soviet Union and will eventually fail in china is because of the vast size of the population. Communism in cuba is hard to maintain and thats minute compared to Russia. Once the people have a taste for freedom, they won't go back to it. Whether its through elections or resistance, the Russian people won't stand by and let their freedom slip through their fingers.

The Chinese have never tasted freedom. All they know is China as it is. If they were to ever mobilize and rise up, the government would be overthrown in days due to the size of the population. The Chinese government isnt foolish. they can see that any attack on Taiwan is an attack on the US and most of the free world. I don't think that China considers Taiwan worht it. All it is is a symbol. that would be the only reason they would want it back. Taiwan broke away and spited the Chinese Government. That might incite people to see that freedom is possible. I wonder how many in China actually know that Taiwan isnt chinese any more?

The point is that freedom is addictive. Once you have a taste after never knowing what freedom is before, many are willing to die for it.

 

[preemptingyou03]

Yes, I know, I know.... I'm not saying the Russian people and the Chinese people won't fight for freedom. However, anti-Americanism is at an all-time high, especially in Russia and China... for many reasons.

We're the "capitalist warmongering religious fools." They are the "secular peace-lovers who want the community to be equal and fair."

As long as Hitler only killed Poles, Russians, and Jews, Germans liked him. It wasn't until British and American bombs started falling on Berlin did they question Hitler.

I hope this isn't true, and it may very well not happen EXACTLY like I said or like I said at all. But it is more realistic than some may think.

 

[Zhukov]

Russia has an immense amount of untapped oil reserves. Once the Middle East runs out, that is where we will have to go to satiate our thirst.

Personally, I'd rather we helped them to develop it so we could get our oil from them now, but the previous administration squandered a golden oppurtunity to solidify good diplomatic and economic relations with Russia in the eight years after its seperation from the Soviet Union.

We could have easily made Russia into another economic satellite like Japan, but the chance was thrown away.

Russia will never get involved in military action against either eastern Europe or sovereign states to its south, because quite simply, the Russian people do not want to.

As it is, Russia will eventually become part of the EU. It and the rest of Europe are currently in the same mode of socialist-thought.

With the Chinese it's harder to say, but I doubt they'd jeopardize their growing economic power by perpetrating aggressive military action. Should a conflict erupt between India and Pakistan, I wouldn't be surprised to see China look for a gain, but other than that I think the 1.6 billion people they have right now is more than enough to handle.

 

[preemptingyou03]

I hope you are right. You must admit a few things though:

- Democracy in the Middle East, while important for us in the fight against terrorism, will hurt the Russian economy.
- China wants Taiwan bad.
- If North Korea falls, China may back them against us.
- If China fights us, it is unclear where Russia stands.
- Dictatorships don't care what their people think. Anti-Americanism is at an all-time high, (I don't care to be honest) but if these economies tank, because of "American capitalist imperialism," the Russian and Chinese people may want to defend their communist beliefs.
- Russia and China are preparing for something bigger than us. We're bombing caves and spider-holes. They're not.

 

[Zhukov]

Originally posted by preemptingyou03
Democracy in the Middle East, while important for us in the fight against terrorism, will hurt the Russian economy.

I don't believe that that is necessarily true.

China wants Taiwan bad.

True. But are they willing to risk nuclear annihilation for it?

If North Korea falls, China may back them against us.

If North Korea falls, I would rather the Chinese take care of it. I wouldn't mind if the Chinese rolled into North Korea today. I have little faith in the rationality of the Chinese politburo, but I have absolutely none when it comes to Kim.

If China fights us, it is unclear where Russia stands.

When we discuss these possibilities, you must understand that the shadow of MAD comes back into play. What will any state do under that shadow?

Dictatorships don't care what their people think. Anti-Americanism is at an all-time high, (I don't care to be honest) but if these economies tank, because of "American capitalist imperialism," the Russian and Chinese people may want to defend their communist beliefs.

I think a strong US economy is good for the economy of everyone in the world. That's what capitalism is all about.

As far as the desires of dictatorships versus the desires of the people, do you remember how well the Italians fought in WW2?

Russia and China are preparing for something bigger than us. We're bombing caves and spider-holes. They're not.

We've got enough money to bomb spider-holes and keep an eye on the Chinese and the Russians, and pay to prepare for whatever contingencies we can conceive off.

 

[preemptingyou03]

I think the entire policy of MAD must be defeated by the SDI. We need this now. Bush came into office thinking of Russia and China over al-Qaeda, supposedly. Don't get me wrong, terrorism is a serious problem. But we won't be saying that forever.

I just listen to the Soviet National Anthem, and picture ex-communist Russian KGB Generals listening to it. They failed. They lost.

I hope you're right.

China will BACK North Korea if we invaded Korea, no?

 

[Zhukov]

I love the Soviet National Anthem. It's very stirring.

Too true about President Bush's earlier preoccupation, and I applaud him for it. The creation of an anti-ballistic missile defense is in direct response to the growing strength of China. It would be decades before we could construct a shield capable of deflecting the thousands of warheads from a Cold War Soviet assualt, but the Chinese, we believe, have far fewer warheads, and our limited plan is designed to negate them.

Let the Chinese build more warheads, we can play the arms race game again, because we know how it ends.

I don't believe anything between the President's inaguration and today has slowed the implementation of a working missile shield.

As for North Korea, I doubt we'd invade without first getting assurances from the Chinese that they wouldn't get involved. Or if it became vital, a clear indication of what their unwanted involvement would trigger, and obviously the will, on our part, to live up to those threats.

Who knows, perhaps a joint effort could be arranged, our air force and navy, and their army. One can dream.

 

[preemptingyou03]

Their "200 million man army," as they brag. Could you imagine American soldiers invading the streets of Hong Kong? It couldn't happen.

According to the DIA, which predicts threats 20 years in advance, they believe China's ICBM's will grow 10 times in 20 years. We need the SDI.

SDI takes away the threat of nuclear war. Not only does it do that, but it allows us to use nuclear weapons strategically and not just in retaliation.

I would do anything for China to collapse and for Russia to PROVE to us they are right there with the British as allies... but I'm afraid it won't happen anytime soon. A New World Order is needed to crush weak and evil enemies. The dream of the UN in 1991 against Saddam was just that. A dream.

 

[5stringJeff]

I would have no problem with China if they were a capitalist society that honored basic human freedoms, like the freedom to live/travel/work where you want, freedom of speech/press/religion, and the freedom to bear arms.

The fact that China's current government hates freedom is what I don't like about them.

 

[Zhukov]

Originally posted by preemptingyou03
Their "200 million man army," as they brag. Could you imagine American soldiers invading the streets of Hong Kong? It couldn't happen.

Well the idea is to destroy any invasion force before it even landed, or at the very least to provide enough of a deterrence so as to prevent the Chinese from even thinking of staging an invasion.

 

[preemptingyou03]

We're becoming a small, lighter, faster, and quicker military to fight terrorism. It seems like a smart idea. But what about the threat from China? Could 500,000 American troops take on 200 million Chinese troops?

Russia and China, in every sense, are shady. I don't trust them one bit.