World Starves as Americans burn food to drive cars

[Avatar4321]

World starves as Americans burn food to stay on the road | The Australian

I hate to say I told you so, but burning corn for Ethenol was a really stupid idea.

 

[Sallow]

Should have went with Sugar Cane like the Brazilians..but what can ya do?

 

[Jroc]

We use more energy making Ethanol then we get from the Ethanol.

Ethanol Fuel from Corn Faulted as ‘Unsustainable Subsidized Food Burning’


David Pimental, a leading Cornell University agricultural expert, has calculated that powering the average U.S. automobile for one year on ethanol (blended with gasoline) derived from corn would require 11 acres of farmland, the same space needed to grow a year's supply of food for seven people. Adding up the energy costs of corn production and its conversion into ethanol, 131,000 BTUs are needed to make one gallon of ethanol. One gallon of ethanol has an energy value of only 77,000 BTUS. Thus, 70 percent more energy is required to produce ethanol than the energy that actually is in it. Every time you make one gallon of ethanol, there is a net energy loss of 54,000 BTUs.

Mr. Pimentel concluded that "abusing our precious croplands to grow corn for an energy-inefficient process that yields low-grade automobile fuels amounts to unsustainable subsidized food burning".

http://healthandenergy.com/ethanol.htm

 

[thereisnospoon]

Should have went with Sugar Cane like the Brazilians..but what can ya do?

that would drive up the commodity prices on sugar and of course would result in higher food prices here and abroad.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Corn production for ethanol is heavily subsidized by our tax dollars because the production cost is expensive. Also, ethanol takes a toll on internal combustion engines.
Ethanol cannot be shipped by pipeline. It must be trucked to refineries. Ethanol begins to break down almost immediately after it is produced. Ethanol production is inefficient from the time the corn seed is planted to the time it is blended with gasoline.
Should the federal government drop the subsidies, ethanol would become a non-starter.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

World starves as Americans burn food to stay on the road | The Australian

I hate to say I told you so, but burning corn for Ethenol was a really stupid idea.

No. It wasn't a stupid idea. It was a great idea - but it failed. Sometimes, even great ideas fail.

I'm glad someone tried to find an alternative to gasoline. In this case it didn't work, and we need to give up, and stop subsidizing it to the tune of 7 billion dollars a year.

But we should keep trying.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Elections "start" in Iowa , Iowa grows corn , you will never be rid of corn subsidies for "ethanol fuel" until a better crop comes along... Hemp for diesel or Marijuana for taxing.

 

[Avatar4321]

World starves as Americans burn food to stay on the road | The Australian

I hate to say I told you so, but burning corn for Ethenol was a really stupid idea.

No. It wasn't a stupid idea. It was a great idea - but it failed. Sometimes, even great ideas fail.

I'm glad someone tried to find an alternative to gasoline. In this case it didn't work, and we need to give up, and stop subsidizing it to the tune of 7 billion dollars a year.

But we should keep trying.

On what planet is burning food for fuel while people are starving a great idea?

You keep saying we need to find an alternative fuel, but there is nothing wrong with the fuel we are using now. You just won't let us get it.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

World starves as Americans burn food to stay on the road | The Australian

I hate to say I told you so, but burning corn for Ethenol was a really stupid idea.

No. It wasn't a stupid idea. It was a great idea - but it failed. Sometimes, even great ideas fail.

I'm glad someone tried to find an alternative to gasoline. In this case it didn't work, and we need to give up, and stop subsidizing it to the tune of 7 billion dollars a year.

But we should keep trying.

On what planet is burning food for fuel while people are starving a great idea?

You keep saying we need to find an alternative fuel, but there is nothing wrong with the fuel we are using now. You just won't let us get it.

Wait... Did you really blame this on me?

How exactly am I stopping you from getting "it"?

 

[Avatar4321]

No. It wasn't a stupid idea. It was a great idea - but it failed. Sometimes, even great ideas fail.

I'm glad someone tried to find an alternative to gasoline. In this case it didn't work, and we need to give up, and stop subsidizing it to the tune of 7 billion dollars a year.

But we should keep trying.

On what planet is burning food for fuel while people are starving a great idea?

You keep saying we need to find an alternative fuel, but there is nothing wrong with the fuel we are using now. You just won't let us get it.

Wait... Did you really blame this on me?

How exactly am I stopping you from getting "it"?

By supporting politicians who don't allow us to drill.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

On what planet is burning food for fuel while people are starving a great idea?

You keep saying we need to find an alternative fuel, but there is nothing wrong with the fuel we are using now. You just won't let us get it.

Wait... Did you really blame this on me?

How exactly am I stopping you from getting "it"?

By supporting politicians who don't allow us to drill.

Really? What politicians do I support who are stopping us from drilling?

 

[thereisnospoon]

Wait... Did you really blame this on me?

How exactly am I stopping you from getting "it"?

By supporting politicians who don't allow us to drill.

Really? What politicians do I support who are stopping us from drilling?

all the libs you vote for. They all oppose harvesting our own energy sources.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Should have went with Sugar Cane like the Brazilians..but what can ya do?

Then Americans wouldn't get enough sweets.

 

[NYcarbineer]

World starves as Americans burn food to stay on the road | The Australian

I hate to say I told you so, but burning corn for Ethenol was a really stupid idea.

No. It wasn't a stupid idea. It was a great idea - but it failed. Sometimes, even great ideas fail.

I'm glad someone tried to find an alternative to gasoline. In this case it didn't work, and we need to give up, and stop subsidizing it to the tune of 7 billion dollars a year.

But we should keep trying.

On what planet is burning food for fuel while people are starving a great idea?

You keep saying we need to find an alternative fuel, but there is nothing wrong with the fuel we are using now. You just won't let us get it.

You're a socialist now?

I'm sure American farmers would be happy to sell their corn to people who want to eat it, if they're willing to pay more for it than the ethanol makers are.

 

[GHook93]

Should have went with Sugar Cane like the Brazilians..but what can ya do?

Or better yet let us utilize the largest oil reserves in the world.
ANWR + Colorado + Over-Shore + Deep Sea = US becoming not only 100% domestic oil user, but an oil exporter!!!

Right now our best bet is the electric car and increasing our stationary sources. We have the largest coal reserves in the world and some of the largest natural gas reserves. Domestic Coal, Natural Gas, Hydro and Nuclear along with the electric car can make us energy independent for centuries!!!

 

[NYcarbineer]

World starves as Americans burn food to stay on the road | The Australian

I hate to say I told you so, but burning corn for Ethenol was a really stupid idea.

No. It wasn't a stupid idea. It was a great idea - but it failed. Sometimes, even great ideas fail.

I'm glad someone tried to find an alternative to gasoline. In this case it didn't work, and we need to give up, and stop subsidizing it to the tune of 7 billion dollars a year.

But we should keep trying.

On what planet is burning food for fuel while people are starving a great idea?

You keep saying we need to find an alternative fuel, but there is nothing wrong with the fuel we are using now. You just won't let us get it.

That's false.

Remember what BP was doing when that well blew up. They were capping it. They weren't even going to pump it.

 

[ClosedCaption]

If no one mentions the hold that OPEC has on the oil and the pricing, they dont want to deal with the real issue

 

[KissMy]

NEWS FLASH!!! - Ethanol plants produce a co-product. It is called animal feed DDGS (Distillers Dried Grains) You take feed corn to the ethanol plants & you get back both food & fuel!!!

Cattle that would have eaten the corn grain and soybean meal to supplement their diet, now eat distillers grains as that part of their balanced diet. Equal or better performance (rates of gain for beef cattle or milk yield in dairy cows) are usually reported from cows with up to 20% of their diet from distillers grains are compared with control diets.

Ethanol is only made from the starch in the corn. DDGS contain all the protein that was in the corn. Protein is what builds muscle, not starch. Muscles = Hamburger. The corn starch caused methane in cattle that was released into the atmosphere. It was not making beef, hamburgers, steaks or milk. Methane gas is 15 times more powerful of a greenhouse gas than CO2. Now this starch is converted into ethanol instead of methane gas.

Bernanke's printing press is what is driving up cotton, corn, oil & metals prices. All commodities have risen big-time in price. Even the price of water (the most plentiful comodity) is going up.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

NEWS FLASH!!! - Ethanol plants produce a co-product. It is called animal feed DDGS (Distillers Dried Grains) You take feed corn to the ethanol plants & you get back both food & fuel!!!

Cattle that would have eaten the corn grain and soybean meal to supplement their diet, now eat distillers grains as that part of their balanced diet. Equal or better performance (rates of gain for beef cattle or milk yield in dairy cows) are usually reported from cows with up to 20% of their diet from distillers grains are compared with control diets.

Ethanol is only made from the starch in the corn. DDGS contain all the protein that was in the corn. Protein is what builds muscle, not starch. Muscles = Hamburger. The corn starch caused methane in cattle that was released into the atmosphere. It was not making beef, hamburgers, steaks or milk. Methane gas is 15 times more powerful of a greenhouse gas than CO2. Now this starch is converted into ethanol instead of methane gas.

Bernanke's printing press is what is driving up cotton, corn, oil & metals prices. All commodities have risen big-time in price. Even the price of water (the most plentiful comodity) is going up.

It is a good deal that you get double use out of the corn but.......the cows would have eaten the corn before it was used to make ethanol anyway.
And it still takes more energy to produce then what you get out of it.
But I suppose we could always stand to have less cow farts.
All in all still a bad idea.

 

[signelect]

Another Gold Star for Al Gore, It would be interesting to see his gain in net worth since he started this green BS, I hear he is making millions but don't have a source. Avatar hit the nail on the head, too many people at the food bag to stop now.