Workable solutions re: feed the hungry

[billyerock1991]

We should completely abolish all welfare and leave all of this up to charities. If charities cannot provide enough food and housing for all of the poor, then too bad, they can all live in the streets. I got my gun and if they try to assault me, I'll shoot em like any great American would. If these poor idiots are too dumb to find a job, maybe they can sell their kids into slavery to give them enough money to eat.

if this isn't the most selfish insane response, I don't know what is

Sorry; we don't have a sarcasm font.

ok i get sarcasm... if that's what it is ... but I seen to many people who write and think this way ... really

 

[Meathead]

how about this for a workable solution to hunger....

rice, pasta, beans, cheese, eggs, milk, flour, fruit and veggies....is all you get on food stamps.... as much as you want but that's all you get.

no one will starve....

here's a thought go a rice these Items that you have pointed out to us you'll be surprised what it cost ... are you aware these items will cause obesity if you don't use them in a proper meal ... and what if the do take as much as they want then on the week ends sell at the local farmers mart for cash in hand ... then what???? will you start complaining that we are taxed to much for paying for all the rice, pasta, beans, cheese, eggs, milk, flour, fruit and veggies ... with food stamps at least you can control the cost

Is there something wrong with you?

How does someone respond to convoluted thought FFS?! What the fuck does that even mean?

 

[syrenn]

here's a thought go a rice these Items that you have pointed out to us you'll be surprised what it cost ... are you aware these items will cause obesity if you don't use them in a proper meal ... and what if they do take as much as they want ... then on the week ends sell it at the local farmers mart for cash in hand ... then what???? will you start complaining that we are taxed to much for paying for all the rice, pasta, beans, cheese, eggs, milk, flour, fruit and veggies ... with food stamps at least you can control the cost

Is there something wrong with you?

look at what you want
rice, carbohydrate,
beans, protean
pasta, carbohydrate
cheese, fat
milk, fat
flour, carbohydrate
veggies, carbohydrate, fats and protean depending what you get ... this is not always a good diet

lol... and junk food is a good diet?


its not about a good diet....it is about ....you know, the hungry and starving.


personally im am with you.... forget taxing anyone.... i could really care less if they starve.

 

[syrenn]

how about this for a workable solution to hunger....

rice, pasta, beans, cheese, eggs, milk, flour, fruit and veggies....is all you get on food stamps.... as much as you want but that's all you get.

no one will starve....

here's a thought go and price these Items ... that you have pointed out to us ... you'll be surprised what it cost ... are you aware these items will cause obesity if you don't use them in a proper meal ... and what if the do take as much as they want ... then on the week ends sell at the local farmers mart for cash in hand ... then what???? will you start complaining that we are taxed to much for paying for all the rice, pasta, beans, cheese, eggs, milk, flour, fruit and veggies ... with food stamps at least you can control the cost

oh look.... fraud. Are you saying they dont do this now?

As it is with food stamps.... there is NO control over anything. If you think food stamps is controlling costs...think again.

if you want food stamps to control costs..... put a limit on the amount anything they purchase can be bought for.

 

[FA_Q2]

Wow, there is so much incorrect with these statements. You questioned MY service andtold me jnot to talk about things that I do not know about, you really should take your own advice. NOTHING that you stated is true whatsoever. Nothing. That is a pretty bad streak.

Actually, your housing allowance is factored into your paycheck, and yes, you DO pay taxes on your BAQ and VHA. The only exception to that would be if you're lucky enough to qualify for and get base housing.

QWB already pointed out where you were completely incorrect on this. Fail.

As far as the educational benefits? Yes, you can get a discount for going to school, but in many cases you have to pay for a portion of your education yourself. You CANNOT get a degree at any school where you're not going to have to pay for it.

Wrong again. You do not get a ‘discount.’ You get a per credit cash allowance with an annual upper limit.
Money for School: Education Benefits | Military.com

Tuition Assistance covers up to 100% Tuition and Fees Not to exceed:
$250 @ Semester Credit Hour
$166 @ Quarter Credit Hour

$4500 @ Fiscal Year
*Navy has a 16 credit hour Annual Limit.

On base there are many colleges that provide classes for $250 per credit hour (and many include the books as well so that there is exactly zero costs for you). Essentially, you can easily get your bachelors degree for free. I know many that have. That does not even cover the GI bill that provides tens of thousands for your education after you get out and can now be transferred to family members as well.

And yeah................there are the medical and dental benefits, but to tell you the truth, there are many things you cannot get under the military health care, and if you require a specialist, most times you're going to have to CHAMPUS (if it's still called that) out, and most of the time, that also requires that you make a co-payment on that as well.

No, that is also not completely true. While an active duty member (you know, when you are actually doing the job and pulling that paycheck) you pay NOTHING for any service whatsoever for you OR your family. I know because I have been in civilian hospitals all over the world for my son costing MILLIONS. Yes that was plural – I have used millions in healthcare in the military. What you are talking about is only when you are retired. Even then you are receiving excellent coverage (even of the care itself is something to be desired). The costs that you are required to pay are not comparable to the civilian world – not even close.

Yep...............I remember many times sitting in NR and R (Navy Rights and Responsibilities) class and having people tell me how much money I was making compared to my civilian counterparts, but guess what? Even though they tried to tell us how much we were making because of all the benefits we'd receive, most of the time those benefits didn't translate into real money that you could use to feed your family. Why else do you think that anyone who is between the paygrades of E-1 through E-4 qualify for programs like WIC (Women Infants and Children) and SNAP? It's because they don't make enough.

They qualify because, again, some agencies do not include things like BAH or BAS into account. When you are living on base you don’t get those benefits in cash (even if they are the same thing) meaning that almost half your check is hidden. Sure makes it look like you are awfully poor when your single largest expense (your housing) is completely removed from your earnings and hidden.

And no................a person without a high school diploma cannot just "walk in" to a military job. You have to meet certain requirements, like scoring over 50 on the ASVAB (high school grads only have to score 32), as well as have a spotless record concerning crime, have to be granted a waiver by the CO of the NRD you're trying to enlist at, and, the total allowance of those who are granted HP3 status (High Performance Profile Predictor) is only 10 percent of the total number of people who are allowed to enlist.

Again, you state that “a person without a high school diploma cannot just "walk in" to a military job” and then describe EXACTLY that. The requirements that need to be met. The need to not be incorrect seems to be so strong in you that you are willing to ignore your own damn statements to meet it.

Got news for you................all the new billets opened up on October 1st (beginning of the fiscal year) and by the time late November or mid December hit, we'd already used up all of our HP3 billets for the year.

I know these things because I was Head Classifier as well as LPO at Amarillo MEPS from 1999 until I retired in 2002.

And...............there is no shame in retiring as an E-6, especially when you're in a rating that is CREO group C and is sitting at around 130 percent manning. If you're in CREO group A (an undermanned rating) you can advance pretty quickly, all you have to do is pass the test. If you're in a rating that is overmanned, the competition is pretty fierce. In 1997, I was the only PN to be advanced to E-6 out of the entire PSD District 8, which covered almost all of the northeast.

But................go ahead and keep talking if it makes you feel better.

It doesn’t make me ‘feel better’ but it sure does make you look like a moron.

 

[FA_Q2]

how about this for a workable solution to hunger....

rice, pasta, beans, cheese, eggs, milk, flour, fruit and veggies....is all you get on food stamps.... as much as you want but that's all you get.

no one will starve....

Perfectly agreeable. Food – if that’s what they need then that is what we can give them.

I think we would be pleasantly surprised at the number of people that suddenly did not need food stamps anymore though

heres my thinking ... whats the difference here ???? we still will be taxed for this great Idea you're speaking of... whats the difference????

I am unsurprised that you do not see the difference but there are many. Fraud would go down to almost nothing. Right now we have a governmental food program that does this very thing – identifies the foods that you should be eating and gives you that food – it’s called WIC. There is almost no room in that program for fraud other than falsifying your income level. Then there is the fundamental difference in what the program means to the end user. There is a large difference in the mentality of entitlement when you hand out food or cash. There is also another fundamental difference considering that you are actually providing the item that is NEEDED rather than giving someone cash and hoping that they purchase something healthy rather than energy drinks and candy. If you have ever worked in a place that took SNAP you would be unsettled by the amount of crap that it purchases versus the identified need: food. Lastly, as the point here has moved from the ‘hungry’ (an almost nonexistent section of people here in the land of plenty) into malnutrition it is clear that a large part of the problem is not access but rather piss poor decisions. You have a right to eat whatever you want and be malnourished but you certainly don’t have the right to require that I and others pay for that crap decision. If you want government handouts then you should get what the government has determined a need for. In this case, healthy and nutritious foods.

I would also state that the cost is rather irrelevant to me as long as the program itself is meeting proper and worthwhile goals. Now it creates dependency and entitlement without actually solving malnourishment. It is rife with fraud and corruption that can easily be reduced by large amounts. Even if the program costs MORE to deliver healthy foods to people that needed it I would not be bothered though I HIGHLY doubt that would be the end case. Those foods pointed out cost very little.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Wow, there is so much incorrect with these statements. You questioned MY service andtold me jnot to talk about things that I do not know about, you really should take your own advice. NOTHING that you stated is true whatsoever. Nothing. That is a pretty bad streak.

Actually, your housing allowance is factored into your paycheck, and yes, you DO pay taxes on your BAQ and VHA. The only exception to that would be if you're lucky enough to qualify for and get base housing.

QWB already pointed out where you were completely incorrect on this. Fail.

As far as the educational benefits? Yes, you can get a discount for going to school, but in many cases you have to pay for a portion of your education yourself. You CANNOT get a degree at any school where you're not going to have to pay for it.

Wrong again. You do not get a ‘discount.’ You get a per credit cash allowance with an annual upper limit.
Money for School: Education Benefits | Military.com

On base there are many colleges that provide classes for $250 per credit hour (and many include the books as well so that there is exactly zero costs for you). Essentially, you can easily get your bachelors degree for free. I know many that have. That does not even cover the GI bill that provides tens of thousands for your education after you get out and can now be transferred to family members as well.

No, that is also not completely true. While an active duty member (you know, when you are actually doing the job and pulling that paycheck) you pay NOTHING for any service whatsoever for you OR your family. I know because I have been in civilian hospitals all over the world for my son costing MILLIONS. Yes that was plural – I have used millions in healthcare in the military. What you are talking about is only when you are retired. Even then you are receiving excellent coverage (even of the care itself is something to be desired). The costs that you are required to pay are not comparable to the civilian world – not even close.

They qualify because, again, some agencies do not include things like BAH or BAS into account. When you are living on base you don’t get those benefits in cash (even if they are the same thing) meaning that almost half your check is hidden. Sure makes it look like you are awfully poor when your single largest expense (your housing) is completely removed from your earnings and hidden.

And no................a person without a high school diploma cannot just "walk in" to a military job. You have to meet certain requirements, like scoring over 50 on the ASVAB (high school grads only have to score 32), as well as have a spotless record concerning crime, have to be granted a waiver by the CO of the NRD you're trying to enlist at, and, the total allowance of those who are granted HP3 status (High Performance Profile Predictor) is only 10 percent of the total number of people who are allowed to enlist.

Again, you state that “a person without a high school diploma cannot just "walk in" to a military job” and then describe EXACTLY that. The requirements that need to be met. The need to not be incorrect seems to be so strong in you that you are willing to ignore your own damn statements to meet it.

Got news for you................all the new billets opened up on October 1st (beginning of the fiscal year) and by the time late November or mid December hit, we'd already used up all of our HP3 billets for the year.

I know these things because I was Head Classifier as well as LPO at Amarillo MEPS from 1999 until I retired in 2002.

And...............there is no shame in retiring as an E-6, especially when you're in a rating that is CREO group C and is sitting at around 130 percent manning. If you're in CREO group A (an undermanned rating) you can advance pretty quickly, all you have to do is pass the test. If you're in a rating that is overmanned, the competition is pretty fierce. In 1997, I was the only PN to be advanced to E-6 out of the entire PSD District 8, which covered almost all of the northeast.

But................go ahead and keep talking if it makes you feel better.

It doesn’t make me ‘feel better’ but it sure does make you look like a moron.

Ever served independent duty at a MEPS or a recruiting station? Got news for you, if you have, you'd understand that sometimes you have to pay for some of your own healthcare.

Sorry...................but you fail yet again...........................

 

[billyerock1991]

Is there something wrong with you?

look at what you want
rice, carbohydrate,
beans, protean
pasta, carbohydrate
cheese, fat
milk, fat
flour, carbohydrate
veggies, carbohydrate, fats and protean depending what you get ... this is not always a good diet

lol... and junk food is a good diet?


its not about a good diet....it is about ....you know, the hungry and starving.


personally im am with you.... forget taxing anyone.... i could really care less if they starve.

the point I was trying to makes is this idiot meathead thinks they way to solve the problem is give them "as much as they want" in the foods he picked ... what meathead perceives as being healthy food, that he feels they don't want ... that meathead feels lets force them to eat what they don't want ... the key words in meatheads post was "as much as they want" .... Meathead feels poor people are lazy... what he doesn't realize, these poor people have become resourceful, when it comes to feeding themselves and making money on the side ... while he feels food stamps are the worst thing ever, he doesn't look at the the whole picture ... in my comment on his post it was based on what will it cost us if they get "as much as they want" ... it was base on meatheads idea being the right one ... in my hast to post I didn't check my post ... after I posted it I checked it and made corrections ... meathead saw the mistakes before I could correct them and he felt the need to insult and become condescending ... that's what his types do ... after I corrected it, he keep with his attempt to try and irritate me ... what I did was come back with what he posted as good foods ... trying to point out they aren't the best foods either ... I wasn't trying to say eating at fast foods are the answer because its not... what I'm trying to say here is by using food stamps you can only buy so much ... with meathead's idea of "as much as you want" can cause them to seek money by selling off the "as much as you want" still causing a huge tax burden ... Meathead felt it was more important to insult or be condescending to me ... just because he saw the opening .... one of my good friends who had worked his whole life, had a home, nice cars, lost it all because of his health care he had ... as we all know how piss poor that was in the past... he now lives on ssdi ... he gets food stamps, medicaid and SSDI now ... much of his money goes to buy his meds his rent, now that he lost his home and cars ... he has said to me many times I wish I could afford some of the produce, which people like meathead doesn't shop for, doesn't understand what it cost to buy these items ... and probably never will

one more thing ... because of all of his health issues, he can buy only certain things to eat ... not all fruit and veggies is the answer for him ... so by taking that ability away, the ability to feed himself, he too would have to resort to come up with a way to make money on the side to feed himself too ...

 

[Meathead]

how about this for a workable solution to hunger....

rice, pasta, beans, cheese, eggs, milk, flour, fruit and veggies....is all you get on food stamps.... as much as you want but that's all you get.

no one will starve....

here's a thought go a rice these Items that you have pointed out to us you'll be surprised what it cost ... are you aware these items will cause obesity if you don't use them in a proper meal ... and what if the do take as much as they want then on the week ends sell at the local farmers mart for cash in hand ... then what???? will you start complaining that we are taxed to much for paying for all the rice, pasta, beans, cheese, eggs, milk, flour, fruit and veggies ... with food stamps at least you can control the cost

Is there something wrong with you?

Billyboy, you're very confused about who said what, even more so than what you were trying to say yourself. It is not a matter of being in hast(sic), it is a matter of unclear thinking as well as an inability to articulate.

 

[billyerock1991]

Perfectly agreeable. Food – if that’s what they need then that is what we can give them.

I think we would be pleasantly surprised at the number of people that suddenly did not need food stamps anymore though

heres my thinking ... whats the difference here ???? we still will be taxed for this great Idea you're speaking of... whats the difference????

I am unsurprised that you do not see the difference but there are many. Fraud would go down to almost nothing. Right now we have a governmental food program that does this very thing – identifies the foods that you should be eating and gives you that food – it’s called WIC. There is almost no room in that program for fraud other than falsifying your income level. Then there is the fundamental difference in what the program means to the end user. There is a large difference in the mentality of entitlement when you hand out food or cash. There is also another fundamental difference considering that you are actually providing the item that is NEEDED rather than giving someone cash and hoping that they purchase something healthy rather than energy drinks and candy. If you have ever worked in a place that took SNAP you would be unsettled by the amount of crap that it purchases versus the identified need: food. Lastly, as the point here has moved from the ‘hungry’ (an almost nonexistent section of people here in the land of plenty) into malnutrition it is clear that a large part of the problem is not access but rather piss poor decisions. You have a right to eat whatever you want and be malnourished but you certainly don’t have the right to require that I and others pay for that crap decision. If you want government handouts then you should get what the government has determined a need for. In this case, healthy and nutritious foods.

I would also state that the cost is rather irrelevant to me as long as the program itself is meeting proper and worthwhile goals. Now it creates dependency and entitlement without actually solving malnourishment. It is rife with fraud and corruption that can easily be reduced by large amounts. Even if the program costs MORE to deliver healthy foods to people that needed it I would not be bothered though I HIGHLY doubt that would be the end case. Those foods pointed out cost very little.

WIC is one sided its not for all ... you do realize there are people who are disabled who can't use this ....

as for fraud and abuse ... this is every where ... in the public sector ... in the private sector, you will always have fraud and abuse ... I know of very few infractions with food stamps ... to say there isn't fraud would be foolish on my part ... the real question is how much ????

I know that welfare is .11% of the national budget ... .12% is the cost of food stamps to the national budget ... is that something you really think is going to cut waste??? buy taking it from the poor ????? what you'll save .23% of the national budget ??? really !!!! that's your good Idea ??? here you have the pentagon taking 60% of the national budget and theres no waste there huh??? all of you, you really need to take a time out ... go and look at were all your taxes go to ... along with who makes money by passing laws that makes us buy this stuff ... then come back here and convince us liberals how cutting food stamps will balance the budget ??? by cutting welfare will balance the budget ...

 

[billyerock1991]

here's a thought go a price these Items that you have pointed out to us ...you'll be surprised at what it cost ... are you aware these items will cause obesity if you don't use them in a proper meal ... what if they do take "as much as they want" ... then on the week ends they sell it at the local farmers mart for cash in hand ... then what???? will you start complaining that we are taxed to much for paying for all the rice, pasta, beans, cheese, eggs, milk, flour, fruit and veggies ... with food stamps at least you can control the cost ...

Is there something wrong with you?

Billyboy, you're very confused about who said what, even more so than what you were trying to say yourself. It is not a matter of being in hast(sic), it is a matter of unclear thinking as well as an inability to articulate.

its you being a prick ... that's whats its all about.. you saw a chance to jump on it and you took it... which you keep posting the error I made ... none of my correction, you haven't gone back to look at ... which show that's what you're all about ... you have no Idea what you're talking about and probably never will ... be for worn ... one misspelled word.. one improper use of grammar I'll be all over that reminding you of your inability to articulate or your unclear thinking ... believe me pay backs are a bitch, prick !!!!

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Thoughts?

Apparently, food stamps are Bad and Wrong. Minimum wage is fine as is - or maybe we should end it. There aren't enough jobs, and no training is being offered that a destitute person can afford.

In the real world, what is your solution to hunger in the USA.

Maybe there should be facilities like prisons, but only for poor people. To run such a place would likely cost more than welfare - but it is a thought. People would be fed, clothed, and sheltered, which is more security than many of them have now.

I think there should be a law passed that keeps the minimum wage above the poverty line that's established each and every year ... by doing so it should help people with health care or not being forced to use food stamps ... places to live, things of that nature ... I also would say any place that we would house these people, to help them through their hard times, there should be a policy to maintain the area they live in ... cut the grass remove all the junk for the area, make it so the people can be proud where they live .... when you give a person a defeat us attitude they ten to not to be proud of who they are ... by keeping them proud of who they are, their state of being, just maybe, just maybe they would strive to do better in their lives and their children's lives ... get them the opportunity to learn a good paying job that some of these corporations need people to do... help these corporations in paying for their training ... to do the job they need to be filled...

Automatic currency inflation, what a wonderful idea. It worked so well in Germany that they used to pay people 3x a day just so that they could spend the money before it was worthless.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

here's a thought go a rice these Items that you have pointed out to us you'll be surprised what it cost ... are you aware these items will cause obesity if you don't use them in a proper meal ... and what if they do take as much as they want ... then on the week ends sell it at the local farmers mart for cash in hand ... then what???? will you start complaining that we are taxed to much for paying for all the rice, pasta, beans, cheese, eggs, milk, flour, fruit and veggies ... with food stamps at least you can control the cost

Is there something wrong with you?

look at what you want
rice, carbohydrate,
beans, protean
pasta, carbohydrate
cheese, fat
milk, fat
flour, carbohydrate
veggies, carbohydrate, fats and protean depending what you get ... this is not always a good diet

What, other than your prejudice against protein. carbs, and fat, makes it a bad diet? There are billions of people right now that think cheese, milk, and veggies are luxury items.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Wow, there is so much incorrect with these statements. You questioned MY service andtold me jnot to talk about things that I do not know about, you really should take your own advice. NOTHING that you stated is true whatsoever. Nothing. That is a pretty bad streak.

Actually, your housing allowance is factored into your paycheck, and yes, you DO pay taxes on your BAQ and VHA. The only exception to that would be if you're lucky enough to qualify for and get base housing.

QWB already pointed out where you were completely incorrect on this. Fail.

Wrong again. You do not get a ‘discount.’ You get a per credit cash allowance with an annual upper limit.
Money for School: Education Benefits | Military.com

On base there are many colleges that provide classes for $250 per credit hour (and many include the books as well so that there is exactly zero costs for you). Essentially, you can easily get your bachelors degree for free. I know many that have. That does not even cover the GI bill that provides tens of thousands for your education after you get out and can now be transferred to family members as well.

No, that is also not completely true. While an active duty member (you know, when you are actually doing the job and pulling that paycheck) you pay NOTHING for any service whatsoever for you OR your family. I know because I have been in civilian hospitals all over the world for my son costing MILLIONS. Yes that was plural – I have used millions in healthcare in the military. What you are talking about is only when you are retired. Even then you are receiving excellent coverage (even of the care itself is something to be desired). The costs that you are required to pay are not comparable to the civilian world – not even close.

They qualify because, again, some agencies do not include things like BAH or BAS into account. When you are living on base you don’t get those benefits in cash (even if they are the same thing) meaning that almost half your check is hidden. Sure makes it look like you are awfully poor when your single largest expense (your housing) is completely removed from your earnings and hidden.

Again, you state that “a person without a high school diploma cannot just "walk in" to a military job” and then describe EXACTLY that. The requirements that need to be met. The need to not be incorrect seems to be so strong in you that you are willing to ignore your own damn statements to meet it.

Got news for you................all the new billets opened up on October 1st (beginning of the fiscal year) and by the time late November or mid December hit, we'd already used up all of our HP3 billets for the year.

I know these things because I was Head Classifier as well as LPO at Amarillo MEPS from 1999 until I retired in 2002.

And...............there is no shame in retiring as an E-6, especially when you're in a rating that is CREO group C and is sitting at around 130 percent manning. If you're in CREO group A (an undermanned rating) you can advance pretty quickly, all you have to do is pass the test. If you're in a rating that is overmanned, the competition is pretty fierce. In 1997, I was the only PN to be advanced to E-6 out of the entire PSD District 8, which covered almost all of the northeast.

But................go ahead and keep talking if it makes you feel better.

It doesn’t make me ‘feel better’ but it sure does make you look like a moron.

Ever served independent duty at a MEPS or a recruiting station? Got news for you, if you have, you'd understand that sometimes you have to pay for some of your own healthcare.

Sorry...................but you fail yet again...........................

You had to buy your own aspirin? The horrors.

 

[billyerock1991]

Is there something wrong with you?

look at what you want
rice, carbohydrate,
beans, protean
pasta, carbohydrate
cheese, fat
milk, fat
flour, carbohydrate
veggies, carbohydrate, fats and protean depending what you get ... this is not always a good diet

What, other than your prejudice against protein. carbs, and fat, makes it a bad diet? There are billions of people right now that think cheese, milk, and veggies are luxury items.

the first point that I was making, was the first post that came from meathead ... he implied that they could get all they want ... meatheads phrase. not my phrase ... with his which was "as much as you want" my point there was to show where a resourceful poor person could go and get "as Much as they wanted" then sell it at the local farmers mart each and every Sunday ... this could cause tax burden on us all by our taxes going higher thats was my first intent ....

then the second poster said thought that I implied that fast foods were better ... I answered with the post you responded to ... again my intent wasn't to say these are horribly bad ... its was nothing more then to show you, you can get fat from these foods too... the ones that meathead posted ... I wasn't trying to be prejudice against protein, carbs, or fats ... just to point out they too can be unhealthy for you ... other then that, that was my intent... why you people on the right go off the deep end by assuming shit is beyond me ... all I was saying that these so called healthy foods can be costly too, especially if you say you can "buy as much as you want" ... that's all ...meadhead wasn't thinking about what he said, as much as he was thinking the poor people won't like the products, and he was going to force good health on them no matter what ... my answer wasn't about health it was about cost

 

[billyerock1991]

Thoughts?

Apparently, food stamps are Bad and Wrong. Minimum wage is fine as is - or maybe we should end it. There aren't enough jobs, and no training is being offered that a destitute person can afford.

In the real world, what is your solution to hunger in the USA.

Maybe there should be facilities like prisons, but only for poor people. To run such a place would likely cost more than welfare - but it is a thought. People would be fed, clothed, and sheltered, which is more security than many of them have now.

I think there should be a law passed that keeps the minimum wage above the poverty line that's established each and every year ... by doing so it should help people with health care or not being forced to use food stamps ... places to live, things of that nature ... I also would say any place that we would house these people, to help them through their hard times, there should be a policy to maintain the area they live in ... cut the grass, remove all the junk from the area, make it so the people can be proud where they live .... when you give a person a defeat us attitude they ten to not to be proud of who they are ... by keeping them proud of who they are, their state of being, just maybe, just maybe they would strive to do better in their lives and their children's lives ... get them the opportunity to learn a good paying job that some of these corporations need people to do... help these corporations in paying for their training ... to do the job they need to be filled...

Automatic currency inflation, what a wonderful idea. It worked so well in Germany that they used to pay people 3x a day just so that they could spend the money before it was worthless.

 

[FA_Q2]

heres my thinking ... whats the difference here ???? we still will be taxed for this great Idea you're speaking of... whats the difference????

I am unsurprised that you do not see the difference but there are many. Fraud would go down to almost nothing. Right now we have a governmental food program that does this very thing – identifies the foods that you should be eating and gives you that food – it’s called WIC. There is almost no room in that program for fraud other than falsifying your income level. Then there is the fundamental difference in what the program means to the end user. There is a large difference in the mentality of entitlement when you hand out food or cash. There is also another fundamental difference considering that you are actually providing the item that is NEEDED rather than giving someone cash and hoping that they purchase something healthy rather than energy drinks and candy. If you have ever worked in a place that took SNAP you would be unsettled by the amount of crap that it purchases versus the identified need: food. Lastly, as the point here has moved from the ‘hungry’ (an almost nonexistent section of people here in the land of plenty) into malnutrition it is clear that a large part of the problem is not access but rather piss poor decisions. You have a right to eat whatever you want and be malnourished but you certainly don’t have the right to require that I and others pay for that crap decision. If you want government handouts then you should get what the government has determined a need for. In this case, healthy and nutritious foods.

I would also state that the cost is rather irrelevant to me as long as the program itself is meeting proper and worthwhile goals. Now it creates dependency and entitlement without actually solving malnourishment. It is rife with fraud and corruption that can easily be reduced by large amounts. Even if the program costs MORE to deliver healthy foods to people that needed it I would not be bothered though I HIGHLY doubt that would be the end case. Those foods pointed out cost very little.

WIC is one sided its not for all ... you do realize there are people who are disabled who can't use this ....

as for fraud and abuse ... this is every where ... in the public sector ... in the private sector, you will always have fraud and abuse ... I know of very few infractions with food stamps ... to say there isn't fraud would be foolish on my part ... the real question is how much ????

I know that welfare is .11% of the national budget ... .12% is the cost of food stamps to the national budget ... is that something you really think is going to cut waste??? buy taking it from the poor ????? what you'll save .23% of the national budget ??? really !!!! that's your good Idea ??? here you have the pentagon taking 60% of the national budget and theres no waste there huh??? all of you, you really need to take a time out ... go and look at were all your taxes go to ... along with who makes money by passing laws that makes us buy this stuff ... then come back here and convince us liberals how cutting food stamps will balance the budget ??? by cutting welfare will balance the budget ...

It seems that you did not bother to actually read my post as your ‘points’ don’t bother to address anything that I stated at all. Want to try again?

 

[FA_Q2]

You had to buy your own aspirin? The horrors.

Actually – they cover that too as long as you are willing to wait to see the doctor and then wait in the pharmacy to pick them up.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Thoughts?

Apparently, food stamps are Bad and Wrong. Minimum wage is fine as is - or maybe we should end it. There aren't enough jobs, and no training is being offered that a destitute person can afford.

In the real world, what is your solution to hunger in the USA.

Maybe there should be facilities like prisons, but only for poor people. To run such a place would likely cost more than welfare - but it is a thought. People would be fed, clothed, and sheltered, which is more security than many of them have now.

Which would also be likely un-Constitutional.

Among our better options would be training and education programs. These programs afford citizens funding for school to train for jobs in demand; indeed, one condition of receiving such funding is the student must take a course of study related to a job in demand. Those who receive such funding are also required to document their academic progress as a condition of receiving continued funds, and job placement assistance is provided to students by the RWBs, the schools, or both.

But everyone must realize that in a free market, capitalist system there will always be a static population of the poor and working poor – this is why Food Stamps are not only not ‘bad’ or ‘wrong,’ but an extremely important program to the working poor, their children, the elderly, and those disabled.

Although we can never eliminate this population of the static poor, we can work to make that population as small as possible, and afford citizens the opportunity to become self-sufficient.

And, needless to say, the December 2007 recession has served to exacerbate current poverty and hunger in the Nation, but as economic recovery continues so too should instances of poverty and hunger decrease.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

look at what you want
rice, carbohydrate,
beans, protean
pasta, carbohydrate
cheese, fat
milk, fat
flour, carbohydrate
veggies, carbohydrate, fats and protean depending what you get ... this is not always a good diet

What, other than your prejudice against protein. carbs, and fat, makes it a bad diet? There are billions of people right now that think cheese, milk, and veggies are luxury items.

the first point that I was making, was the first post that came from meathead ... he implied that they could get all they want ... meatheads phrase. not my phrase ... with his which was "as much as you want" my point there was to show where a resourceful poor person could go and get "as Much as they wanted" then sell it at the local farmers mart each and every Sunday ... this could cause tax burden on us all by our taxes going higher thats was my first intent ....

then the second poster said thought that I implied that fast foods were better ... I answered with the post you responded to ... again my intent wasn't to say these are horribly bad ... its was nothing more then to show you, you can get fat from these foods too... the ones that meathead posted ... I wasn't trying to be prejudice against protein, carbs, or fats ... just to point out they too can be unhealthy for you ... other then that, that was my intent... why you people on the right go off the deep end by assuming shit is beyond me ... all I was saying that these so called healthy foods can be costly too, especially if you say you can "buy as much as you want" ... that's all ...meadhead wasn't thinking about what he said, as much as he was thinking the poor people won't like the products, and he was going to force good health on them no matter what ... my answer wasn't about health it was about cost

All they want, or all they eat? Give me enough rice, beans, and flour, and I can make enough money to buy steaks.