Zone1 Women should check to see whether or not if they are being treated equally in the social security outcome for retirement.

[beagle9]

Women often do make less than men for the same job. I spent a career working for a Union TELCO. Despite holding the same job titles and pay scales, almost none of the women made the same pay as men. Men generally would work any available overtime while women generally refused. Management refused to apply the rules against women when mandatory overtime was required as women tended to go to the EEOC with complaints for forced overtime. If women in a Union shop make less than men, it indicates a society wide trend that results in lower pay for women. It's caused by women's conduct and choices, NOT some conspiracy to pay women less. Heck, businesses are in business to make money, if they could get away with paying women less to do the same work as men, they would hire women by choice and lower their payroll and increase the bottom-line profits.

You may have seen or experienced the situations you described, but to say women on a blanket scale are self made complainers that cause themselves to be mistreated or paid less is a huge leap to suggest IMHO.

Going by what I've seen in my wife's work career, and with the year's of hard work and loyalty given, she has definitely been mistreated and underpaid in her various job titles that she had worked over her many year's of working them. I am a witness to that, but I never intervened although I saw what I saw over the year's.

Now she is paying for it in her social security amount figured up by a system that only sees the numbers because the year's worked consistently isn't a main factor in it all.

 

[beagle9]

You act as if the government has a crystal ball

That's one of the dumber things I've ever heard.

and could tell if the money on the scales were actually earned honestly by the recipient's or not.

Math doesn't care.

but this is why year's worked and time served should not be judged on numbers alone.

Math doesn't care about your feelings.

Is this system an "I got mine, and you go to hell if you haven't gotten your's" type of thing ?

It's a math type of thing.

Do you think that a janitor is not as worthy in the eyes of God as say a tax collector might be ?

God doesn't run the Social Security system.

Think about it

I think you're taking your wife's estrogen.

Hiding behind the math is what it all boils down to then isn't it, but is the math correct or is it being manipulated or formulated wrong in hopes that you and I parish before we draw two year's of it ???? First everyone raised hell because Nicky Haley wanted to raise the number on a person's age to 70 before receiving their max benefits, and now it's A-ok for it to just be pushed there without the people having a say so eh ? The government is one slick operator when it comes to slamming it to the people without them realizing it.

Do you think that all math formulas are good and productive or do you agree that some formulas might need tweaking or reworked to get a better result ???

 

[beagle9]

Sex isn't part of the calculation for SS benefits.

The calculation is based only on earnings. A man or a woman with the same earning history will get the same benefit amount - for benefits paid on their earnings.

WW

If you can't handle the conversation with an open mind then bail because grown ups are talking now.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Hiding behind the math is what it all boils down to then isn't it, but is the math correct or is it being manipulated or formulated wrong in hopes that you and I parish before we draw two year's of it ???? First everyone raised hell because Nicky Haley wanted to raise the number on a person's age to 70 before receiving their max benefits, and now it's A-ok for it to just be pushed there without the people having a say so eh ? The government is one slick operator when it comes to slamming it to the people without them realizing it.

Do you think that all math formulas are good and productive or do you agree that some formulas might need tweaking or reworked to get a better result ???

Math is correct.
Your feelings don't change math.
The formulas have already been tweaked to favor lower incomes.
Back off the estrogen, your sobbing is unsightly.

 

[Leo123]

Feminism ruined our economy and caused women to have to work. Women generally work different types of jobs then men....Teachers, Nurses, etc. Occupations that pay less.

 

[Cassandro]

If you can't handle the conversation with an open mind then bail because grown ups are talking now.

1. SS benefits are based on highest earning over 35 years.
2. Lower earning recipients get a higher percentage applied to their benefits.
3. Your wife gets the higher of her SS benefits or 1/2 of your benefits (and vice versa).
4. Your wife gets all of your benefits after you die (and vice versa).
5. Employment discrimination is illegal and the government will sue the employer at no cost to the employee.
6. You have been watching too much MSNBC.

 

[beagle9]

Math is correct.
Your feelings don't change math.
The formulas have already been tweaked to favor lower incomes.
Back off the estrogen, your sobbing is unsightly.

So you are of the mindset that if math or a formula is done by certain people, then it just has to be right eh ??? Is this opinion drawn because maybe you are a sycophant loyalist at all cost ? You can distract with your petty bull chit nerd talk all you want, otherwise that suggest nothing needs tweaking ever or never needs re-evaluated from time to time, but no matter it's revealing as to who you people are and how you think, especially when it comes to you not wanting anything to be better, and it's all because what has been done is already set in stone where no changes or tweaking can be made in order to make it better according to you right ?

If you are correct, then why did we need Trump, Elon, and other's that came to tweak and rebuild that which was broken ?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So you are of the mindset that if math or a formula is done by certain people, then it just has to be right eh ??? Is this opinion drawn because maybe you are a sycophant loyalist at all cost ? You can distract with your petty bull chit nerd talk all you want, otherwise that suggest nothing needs tweaking ever or never needs re-evaluated from time to time, but no matter it's revealing as to who you people are and how you think, especially when it comes to you not wanting anything to be better, and it's all because what has been done is already set in stone where no changes or tweaking can be made in order to make it better according to you right ?

If you are correct, then why did we need Trump, Elon, and other's that came to tweak and rebuild that which was broken ?

You need to whine less.

Benefits are based on income and years of employment.
It's sad that your wife made less than you and as a result gets a lower payment.

Who told you that life was always fair and that everyone would get a high enough benefit to make you happy?

You're whining like a leftard.

 

[beagle9]

1. SS benefits are based on highest earning over 35 years.
2. Lower earning recipients get a higher percentage applied to their benefits.
3. Your wife gets the higher of her SS benefits or 1/2 of your benefits (and vice versa).
4. Your wife gets all of your benefits after you die (and vice versa).
5. Employment discrimination is illegal and the government will sue the employer at no cost to the employee.
6. You have been watching too much MSNBC.

Don't worry, no Democrat here..

Just a man wondering if all this social security and the worked out formulas and/or math has been done right or could it be looked at better for the seniors in order to make it the best program ever for them ??

The younger generation would probably love to see the older seniors being taken care of, and this would be the incentive for them to look forward to the day that they will finally retire in America.

 

[beagle9]

You need to whine less.

Benefits are based on income and years of employment.
It's sad that your wife made less than you and as a result gets a lower payment.

Who told you that life was always fair and that everyone would get a high enough benefit to make you happy?

You're whining like a leftard.

Your assuming and running your trap like a leftard, so everyone knows how the dam thing works ok, but would it be so bad to address the cracks in the entire set up from A-Z or from the start of one's paying in and up to the point that they retire due to years of service worked ?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Your assuming and running your trap like a leftard, so everyone knows how the dam thing works ok, but would it be so bad to address the cracks in the entire set up from A-Z or from the start of one's paying in and up to the point that they retire due to years of service worked ?

The crack in the set-up is that current recipients are paid by current workers.

Too many are collecting and not enough are working.

Sorry that your wife doesn't collect enough.

Now keep whining like a lefty.

 

[beagle9]

Feminism ruined our economy and caused women to have to work. Women generally work different types of jobs then men....Teachers, Nurses, etc. Occupations that pay less.

Men do also (work less paying jobs than women in some or many case's), but everyone can't be a rocket scientist vice-versa right ? Year's of service should be looked at equally by government when it comes to men or women doing equally hard task that is in a different league than just reading headlines.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Youre asking other hard working people to pay for the mistakes of another out of their pockets
The solution to gender discrimination is a law suit.

Why are you labeling blatant discrimination a "mistake" on the part of the harmed party?

Background​

• Lilly Ledbetter worked at Goodyear Tire for almost 20 years. Near the end of her career, she discovered she had been paid significantly less than her male coworkers doing the same job.
• She sued under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act, which prohibits pay discrimination based on sex.
• The Supreme Court (2007) ruled against her, saying she had filed too late. They said she should have filed within 180 days of the first discriminatory paycheck, even though she didn’t know about it for years.

What the Act Changed​

• The Fair Pay Act overturned that Supreme Court decision.
• Now, under the law, every discriminatory paycheck resets the clock for filing a claim.
• That means if you are being underpaid compared to peers for discriminatory reasons (sex, race, age, disability, etc.), you can file a claim within 180 days (federal standard, states may differ) of your most recent paycheck—not just the original one.

Key Effects​

1. Rolling Deadline – Employees don’t lose their right to sue just because the initial discrimination happened long ago. Each paycheck that reflects unequal pay is considered a new violation.
2. Covers All Protected Classes – The Act applies to pay discrimination based on sex, race, color, religion, national origin, age, and disability.
3. Employer Responsibility – Employers can’t hide behind the argument that the decision to pay differently was made years earlier. The harm continues with each paycheck.

 

[beagle9]

Men do also (work less paying jobs than women in some or many case's), but everyone can't be a rocket scientist vice-versa right ? Year's of service should be looked at equally by government when it comes to men or women doing equally hard task that is in a different league than just reading headlines.

The last lines in this post I wrote above makes absolutely no sense to me. It reads "doing equally hard task that is in a different league than just reading headlines". If I wrote the above ending text, then I must be losing my mind because it makes no sense to me when I read it again.

It's almost like my post was altered somehow, but I don't know how that could have happened. Oh well, just pass it on by because it made no sense. lol

Probably should have read like this below.

Year's of service should be looked at more so than any other by government when it issues checks for retirement to both male and female workers, otherwise that served equally in years of time served. When it comes to men or women doing equally hard or even the same task whether technical and/or other to be found within the year's of service they both have worked, then I'd say that year's of service should equal them out, otherwise if the same amount of year's had been put in equally by both male and female throughout their careers served.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Year's of service should be looked at more so than any other by government when it issues checks for retirement to both male and female workers, otherwise that served equally in years of time served. When it comes to men or women doing equally hard or even the same task whether technical and/or other to be found within the year's of service they both have worked, then I'd say that year's of service should equal them out, otherwise if the same amount of year's had been put in equally by both male and female throughout their careers served.

Awful idea. Then you'd have some government moron giving a minimum wage worker the same Social Security as an airline pilot, doctor or plumber who contributed the max for 40 years.

Great way to bankrupt the program even faster.

 

[citygator]

Wage gap is real. About half to 70% is truly explainable by real factors like job choice and education and experience. The other half to third is a penalty for being a woman.

1. Mix of jobs each gender gravitates toward
2. Family penalty (women get overly burdened with raising families interfering with career)
3. Discrimination in promotions and hiring

Women generally get the same pay on the same job but the factors that impact the pay discrepancy.

 

[beagle9]

Awful idea. Then you'd have some government moron giving a minimum wage worker the same Social Security as an airline pilot, doctor or plumber who contributed the max for 40 years.

Great way to bankrupt the program even faster.

What does a pilot verses a person that worked the lower end job's for the same amount of time served, have to do with bankrupting the system or is the government system engaging in open discrimination practices based upon people's various ability levels when it comes to issuing retirement checks at age 62 up to age 67 ???

If one decides to retire at 62, then yes the check should be less based upon year's served so on and so forth, but the check should not be based on differences in skill levels irregardless of what hill people climbed in getting to their retirement year's. We are talking Social Security checks that are cut from our government that is supposed to represent all Americans "equally" for whom achieve their year's in the workforces up until they decide to retire regardless of their job titles worked. Shouldn't this be the way it is or should go in the federally run retirement system ?

Everything else is outside the system where people can retire themselves apart from others by way of 401k plans, profit sharing plans, personal savings plans, bonus plan's and so on and so forth.

If discrimination of worker's retirement is active or being facilitated by evidence of the amount shown on the checks is somehow going on due to the different levels of intellect or abilities as a gauge, then is this not federally sanctioned discrimination based on the set up and formulas being used ?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What does a pilot verses a person that worked the lower end job's for the same amount of time served, have to do with bankrupting the system or is the government system engaging in open discrimination practices based upon people's various ability levels when it comes to issuing retirement checks at age 62 up to age 67 ???

If one decides to retire at 62, then yes the check should be less based upon year's served so on and so forth, but the check should not be based on differences in skill levels irregardless of what hill people climbed in getting to their retirement year's. We are talking Social Security checks that are cut from our government that is supposed to represent all Americans "equally" for whom achieve their year's in the workforces up until they decide to retire regardless of their job titles worked. Shouldn't this be the way it is or should go in the federally run retirement system ?

Everything else is outside the system where people can retire themselves apart from others by way of 401k plans, profit sharing plans, personal savings plans, bonus plan's and so on and so forth.

If discrimination of worker's retirement is active or being facilitated by evidence of the amount shown on the checks is somehow going on due to the different levels of intellect or abilities as a gauge, then is this not federally sanctioned discrimination based on the set up and formulas being used ?

What does a pilot verses a person that worked the lower end job's for the same amount of time served, have to do with bankrupting the system

The pilot, most likely, contributed the maximum amount to the system for 40 years.
The low end worker, most likely, contributed much less than the maximum for 40 years.

It sounds like you want them both to receive the same benefit, because 40 years = 40 years.

Is that what you want?

but the check should not be based on differences in skill levels

Right, it should be based on taxes paid in.

We are talking Social Security checks that are cut from our government that is supposed to represent all Americans "equally"

Why equally?

If you pay $100 a week in, should the guy who pays $50 a week get just as much as you?

If discrimination of worker's retirement is active or being facilitated by evidence of the amount shown on the checks is somehow going on due to the different levels of intellect or abilities as a gauge

It's due to differences paid in. Smart people who pay in less than dumb people should get a lower benefit.

 

[beagle9]

What does a pilot verses a person that worked the lower end job's for the same amount of time served, have to do with bankrupting the system

The pilot, most likely, contributed the maximum amount to the system for 40 years.
The low end worker, most likely, contributed much less than the maximum for 40 years.

It sounds like you want them both to receive the same benefit, because 40 years = 40 years.

Is that what you want?

but the check should not be based on differences in skill levels

Right, it should be based on taxes paid in.

We are talking Social Security checks that are cut from our government that is supposed to represent all Americans "equally"

Why equally?

If you pay $100 a week in, should the guy who pays $50 a week get just as much as you?

If discrimination of worker's retirement is active or being facilitated by evidence of the amount shown on the checks is somehow going on due to the different levels of intellect or abilities as a gauge

It's due to differences paid in. Smart people who pay in less than dumb people should get a lower benefit.

Matthew 20:1-16

Get back to me..

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Matthew 20:1-16

Get back to me..

The Social Security system isn't based on the Bible.

Feel free to donate your benefit check to someone who gets less than you.

Get back to me.