Without tariffs…how do we bring back jobs and groom Americans to buy American made again?

[SweetTea]

What I think is that there are 1000s of jobs that are not either serving fries or working in a factory.

I am a data analyst, my wife is an RN. Between us we will bring in close to 300k this year.

Getting too close to that "rich" 400k/yr number. Be careful.

 

[Unkotare]

You’re mistaken…they earn less than $5 per day

Wrong.

 

[dblack]

Whaaaaaaaat??? oh no you didn’t! Tax incentives? Liberals hate tax incentives! That ain’t gonna work’

The one thing Justice Robert's made clear, with his otherwise chickenshit ruling on the ACA's "Individual Shared Responsibility Penalty", is that tax incentives for doing what the government wants are no different than tax penalties (tariffs) for not doing what the government wants. Same difference.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Approved by the establishment you claim to hate.

which is why I am not voting for them, but you are since you love them so much.

Thanks for pointing that out.

 

[BrokeLoser]

which is why I am not voting for them, but you are since you love them so much.

Thanks for pointing that out.

Wrong again…I’m voting against the establishment by voting for Trump. You aren’t smart enough to recognize it, but he is the closest thing to that fantasy third-party that you have a huge boner for.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Getting too close to that "rich" 400k/yr number. Be careful.

I will pay a bit more in taxes for another 100k a year.

Seems a fair tradeoff. but I doubt we will make it there in the next 5 years.

my promotion seeking days are over, I am content to do what I am doing till I retire.

My wife is just about done by physically and mentally with bedside nursing. It is sad to see as she truly loves nursing but it takes a toll on the body when you work as hard as she does to give the best possible care. She is seeking a clinic job within the VA which will mean a drop in pay.

But there are many things in life more important than more money.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Wrong again…I’m voting against the establishment by voting for Trump. You aren’t smart enough to recognize it, but he is the closest thing to that fantasy third-party that you have a huge boner for.

Trump is the establishment, he proved this his first time in office. And is he the only person you voted for or did you vote for other Repubs?

 

[expat_panama]

Just 13%....

Right.

Social security is self funded, or should be if our elected official did not **** around with it. It should in no way add to the deficit.

That's what some say but the reality is that it was originally intended as tax. Too bad the poor pay the bulk but that's tough. Now the problem is that we're not getting enough money coming in and the iou's are running out.

Education is less than 3% of the Fed Budget. Now I am all for getting rid of the Dept of Ed, but it will not save much money

Not sure where you got the 3%, my 5% came from the 2024 numbers here:

We could cut I am betting close to 10% by getting rid of the "you have to use it or lose it next year" mentality that is SOP in the Govt. When I was in the Marines I would get in trouble if there was money left at the end of Sept. We would send our pilots on cross country mission they did not need for training just to use up money. NAS Key West was a very popular spot for this.

The federal government is a money losing non-profit inefficient bureaucracy. That's good & that's how we want it. We don't want the best judiciary money can buy. We don't want the military going to the highest bidder. Inefficiency in government is absolutely necessary. Dictatorships are far more efficient and they're a disaster.

How about instead of punishing agencies that come in under budget we reward them by letting them keep some of that money for the following year.

Another thought is only funding agencies what they need in the first place. It goes on and on and we do what we can in an imperfect world.

 

[dblack]

Government shouldn't be "grooming Americans". Period.

 

[SweetTea]

I will pay a bit more in taxes for another 100k a year.

Trust me, it is more than "a bit" more. There are significant penalties everywhere for higher earners, some of which you may have already experienced. Did you get a COVID stimulus check? Can you contribute to a Roth IRA? If you have kids, you won't get a child tax credit. Did you know that you pay .9% more Medicare taxes if you make over 200k for an individual or 250k for a married couple? That means that based on your stated family income, you pay $450 more per year due to your current income. If you made 400k, it would be $1300 more. There is an additional net investment income tax of 3.8% if you make over $250k as a married couple. That means you pay $1900 more(3.8% of 300k-250k) If you made 400k, you would be paying $5700 more. You also pay more due to the AMT schedule. If you are self-employed, it gets worse as you must pay the entire 15.3% FICA tax. The cap on SS for married couples who have both maxed out their SS won't come close to even getting their money back when they retire. They would be better off getting divorced so they could each collect the full amount they are owed, which still wouldn't likely allow them collect all they contributed due to the algorithm that is skewed to pay out less percentage of contributions as income approaches the SS cap(169k) . All of this not taking into account being in a higher bracket that Democrats want to raise even higher.

The mantra that the rich don't pay their fair share is pure rhetoric that plays to the envious nature of some people that aren't even close to making this kind of money. The uber wealthy can possibly skirt some of these taxes with teams of accountants, but I am pretty sure you realize that your family isn't in that category and neither is a family making $400k. It is a scam. Don't fall for it.

 

[expat_panama]

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https://www.cbpp.org/charts/the-majority-of-the-budget-goes-for-health-social-security-and-defense

 

[Foxfyre]

Libs hate tariffs because they were Trumps idea…because they know that in time they’d be affective..but lets say they’re right and that tariffs would suck in the long run…Do they have a better idea to return manufacturing and jobs to America?

The thing is that the conventional wisdom is that tariffs interfere with free trade and are bad. And indeed tariffs imposed to raise money do have that effect.

But Trump style tariffs are not to raise money but to change behaviors. American companies intending to offshore their operations, threatened with tariffs if they do, will most likely choose to keep their businesses and jobs here in the USA. Those countries engaging in bad practices that hurt trade, American currency etc. can be encouraged to change those behaviors via tariffs. Once honest free trade is re-established or bad practices ended, the tariffs will end too.

When Mexico was allowing, even assisting, migrant caravans to pass through their country on the way to the USA, Trump threatened them with tariffs if that continued. Mexico immediately put 27,000 of their own troops on their southern border to stop the caravans. (In that way they saved us so much money, they were paying for the wall.)

 

[BrokeLoser]

Trump is the establishment, he proved this his first time in office. And is he the only person you voted for or did you vote for other Repubs?

WTF….make up your damn mind…Your people keep telling us Trump hi-jacked the Party and established this new MAGA/populist party… dblack says it, g5000 says it. The Cheney’s hate him, the Bush's hate him, permanent Washington hates him…Wake up man!

 

[jc456]

There is a reason why environmental groups opposed these things. You guys act like the environment is disposable.

what exactly does this mean? How is what they make different than americans? what regulation is Mexico that makes them more environmental?

 

[g5000]

WTF….make up your damn mind…Your people keep telling us Trump hi-jacked the Party and established this new MAGA/populist party… dblack says it, g5000 says it. The Cheney’s hate him, the Bush's hate him, permanent Washington hates him…Wake up man!

Gosh! So many people hate the evil **** who attempted to overthrow our democracy!


Go figure!

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Did you get a COVID stimulus check?

just the first one, then I filed my 2020 taxes and that was the end of that.

Can you contribute to a Roth IRA?

Nope

 

[Harpy Eagle]

WTF….make up your damn mind…Your people keep telling us Trump hi-jacked the Party and established this new MAGA/populist party… dblack says it, g5000 says it. The Cheney’s hate him, the Bush's hate him, permanent Washington hates him…Wake up man!

I have no people, there is nobody on this forum that views things the way I do

 

[SweetTea]

just the first one, then I filed my 2020 taxes and that was the end of that.



Nope

Right, I didn’t get any stimulus checks and I am also unable to contribute to a Roth. There are others in addition to the tax disadvantages I listed.

 

[dblack]

I have no people, there is nobody on this forum that views things the way I do

For partisans, politics is a team sport, and loyalty to your team is everything.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Right, I didn’t get any stimulus checks and I am also unable to contribute to a Roth. There are others in addition to the tax disadvantages I listed.

Yes, i saw them. There are, but in the end you still end up with more money, it is not like I would turn down a raise that put me over the threshold