Without bashing Trump, what did Biden do to build the case for himself in the debate?

[Dragonlady]

WALLACE:
"Mr. Vice-president you say that people who commit crimes should be held accountable. The question I have though is as the Democratic nominee, and earlier tonight, you said that you are the Democratic Party right now, have you ever called the Democratic Mayor of Portland or the Democratic Governor of Oregon and said, 'Hey, you got to stop this, bring in the National Guard, do whatever it takes, but you'd stop the days and months of violence in Portland.'

JOE BIDEN:
"I don't hold public office. Now I am a former vice president. I've made it clear. I've made it clear in my public statements that the violence should be prosecuted. It should be prosecuted and anyone who committed it should be prosecuted."

CHRIS WALLACE:
"But you've never called for the people…"

NO!


JOE BIDEN:
"They can in fact take care of it if he just stay out of the way."

JOE BIDEN FLAT OUT LIES HERE. Those Democrats actually AIDED & ABEDDED the foreign-funded domestic terrorists and criminals who looted, burned, destroyed, held hostages, raped, murdered, and assassinated policemen. They provided them with food, hardened barriers, publicly praised the crimes, refused to call out the National Guard, turn the front door of the police stations into turn styles - freeing violence criminals just as fast as they were booked!

Aided and ABEDDED????? Oh Easy65, you really do make it so easy.

There is absolutely no evidence that the Proud Boys, militias and 4Chan groups who lead the looting, burning and violence, and who were quite rightly arrested for their violence are being funded by foreigners. Donald Trump made it clear last night that he is on the side of the violent extremists who lead the rioting, the burning and the looting last night. He called on them to "stand by" for the election results. The Proud Boys have been called "domestic terrorists".

Trump praised Kyle Rittenhouse who shot 3 people, murdering 2 of them. He invited gun wielding white supremacists to the Republican convention. No one from anti-fa has been arrested for violence or looting. Those who have been arrested are members of the Proud Boys, militia groups, and 4chan looters.

If you didn't post lies, easy, you wouldn't post at all.

 

[bendog]

I don’t think Biden provided any substance to his platform. He talked about energy, climate change, and taxes on the rich but appeared to be disjointed in that somehow all of these initiatives were all going to lead to jobs. He provided no insight as to “how” or “why” those jobs were going to happen. It’s almost as if “jobs” was a mantra to make everyone feel good and to justify each of his initiatives.

I defy any Biden supporter to refute my thread on Biden without a “But Trump....” or bashing Trump. We already have plenty of threads playing up Biden dependent on Trump being bashed. Let’s see if Biden is a solid stand-alone.

You're asking dems to comment upon actual content when Trump's performance was designed to detract from actual content?

 

[Dragonlady]

biden came off better than i thought he would. but he also showed why it's easy to believe the hacked up videos that show him stumbling through things. he still does and gets #'s wrong "on the fly". i don't think he's "lying" - i think he's just not thinking and yes, as you get older you "misspeak" more. end of story. so no, i don't fault biden for much of that area as it's common to us all.

Biden is a stutterer. That's why he stumbles through things. It's amazing that he can debate coherently at all. It takes a level of thinking, concentration and focus that makes me very impressed that he can do it at all. Especially as all of the above becomes more difficult as you age.

This isn't a comment on the content of which he speaks or my opinion of Biden's policies. Just his public speaking and debating ability, in light of his stutter.

 

[easyt65]

Despite the Green New Deal being up on his web site, Biden 1) proved he does not know what is init & 2) declared to the world the Green new deal is not HIS plan.

DONALD TRUMP:
So why didn't you get the world… China sends up real dirt into the air. Russia does. India does. They all do. We're supposed to be good. And by the way, he made a couple of statements. The Green New Deal is a hundred trillion dollars.

JOE BIDEN:
That is not my plan [crosstalk]. The Green New Deal [crosstalk] is not my plan. [crosstalk]




DONALD TRUMP:
This is a 100 trillion-

JOE BIDEN:
Simply… Look-

DONALD TRUMP:
That's more money than our country could make in 100 years [crosstalk]-

JOE BIDEN:
That is simply not the case-

CHRIS WALLACE:
All right. Let me [crosstalk]. Wait a minute, sir. I actually have studied your plan, and it includes upgrading 4 million buildings, weatherizing 2 million homes over four years, building one and a half million energy efficient homes.

 

[easyt65]

Biden was called out for he and Harris undermining President Trump about trust in vaccines by spreading fear and distrust....Biden answers the question by spreading more distrust.....

CHRIS WALLACE:
Given the fact that polls already show that people are concerned about the vaccine and are reluctant to take it, are you and your running mate, Senator Harris, contributing to that fear?

JOE BIDEN: No more than the question you just asked him. You pointed out he puts pressure and disagrees with his own scientists.

CHRIS WALLACE: But you're saying you can't-

JOE BIDEN: Everybody knows-


Undermining, distrust, fear-mongering....he covered them all.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

I got nothing.

 

[WTH_Progs?]

Anyone else catch the significance of Trump's point the O'bummer admin. left Trump 120 judicial vacancies to fill? For you PROGS, that means that administration was so fucked & incompetent they couldn't even manage to defend their own party.

 

[jasonnfree]

Biden did roll around in the mud with the pig somewhat, but what else could he do, what with the pig's continuous interruptions? Biden has proven himself to be an able debater, unlike Trump.

 

[my2¢]

I don’t think Biden provided any substance to his platform.

Me neither, but what he accomplished for his case was putting to rest the talk of dementia.

 

[JoeB131]

I don’t think Biden provided any substance to his platform. He talked about energy, climate change, and taxes on the rich but appeared to be disjointed in that somehow all of these initiatives were all going to lead to jobs. He provided no insight as to “how” or “why” those jobs were going to happen. It’s almost as if “jobs” was a mantra to make everyone feel good and to justify each of his initiatives.

I defy any Biden supporter to refute my thread on Biden without a “But Trump....” or bashing Trump. We already have plenty of threads playing up Biden dependent on Trump being bashed. Let’s see if Biden is a solid stand-alone.

There hasn't been "substance" in a Presidential Debate since 1976... not sure why you expect there to be some now.

I would love if these guys came out with graphs and charts and numbers to support their positions... But Americans kind of suck at math and that would get boring.

So these debates will be reduced down to a few Zingers, and right now the leading Zinger is Trump telling the Proud Boys to Stand By, which is scary as hell.

 

[easyt65]

Biden did roll around in the mud with the pig somewhat, but what else could he do, what with the pig's continuous interruptions? Biden has proven himself to be an able debater, unlike Trump.

'Able Debater'? He proved he could lie / obfuscate/mislead while staying calm

 

[bendog]

I don’t think Biden provided any substance to his platform. He talked about energy, climate change, and taxes on the rich but appeared to be disjointed in that somehow all of these initiatives were all going to lead to jobs. He provided no insight as to “how” or “why” those jobs were going to happen. It’s almost as if “jobs” was a mantra to make everyone feel good and to justify each of his initiatives.

I defy any Biden supporter to refute my thread on Biden without a “But Trump....” or bashing Trump. We already have plenty of threads playing up Biden dependent on Trump being bashed. Let’s see if Biden is a solid stand-alone.

There hasn't been "substance" in a Presidential Debate since 1976... not sure why you expect there to be some now.

I would love if these guys came out with graphs and charts and numbers to support their positions... But Americans kind of suck at math and that would get boring.

So these debates will be reduced down to a few Zingers, and right now the leading Zinger is Trump telling the Proud Boys to Stand By, which is scary as hell.

In theory the current "debate" format allows voters to view candidates demeanor and, unless someone like Trump turns it into a shit show by failing to abide by agreements to allow the other person to speak, the candidates ability to recite positions supported by some claims of facts.

The OP is a false narrative, but I do think we saw the real demeanor of both candidates.

Interesting that you brought up 1976, when Ford fumbled by saying Poland was not behind the Iron Curtain (or something). Reagan the actor turned into a more or less civil performance of an actor playing a part, but he somehow got ahold of Carters' debate prep materials. And Iran magically held onto the hostages until just after the election, when they were somehow released and we somehow released military aid to Iran. But that's another story, and Reagan turned out to be not crazy and actually the better president.

 

[rightwinger]

One HUGE mistake by Biden:

BIDEN:
"Antifa is an idea not an organization"

That was a quote from FBI Director Wray
Appointed by Trump

He said Antifa is an ideology NOT an organization

There is no Antifa HQ. No leader of Antifa
Only ideals that people believe in

 

[bendog]

One HUGE mistake by Biden:

BIDEN:
"Antifa is an idea not an organization"

That was a quote from FBI Director Wray
Appointed by Trump

He said Antifa is an ideology NOT an organization

There is no Antifa HQ. No leader of Antifa
Only ideals that people believe in

imo the distinction is that the various ANTIFA identified groups don't have any centralized hierarchy. Thus saying "Antifa needs to stand down" is false narrative. Proud Boys conversely has documented development from a single organizing effort

One might say "Antifa oriented organizations should not engage in violence."

BLM also is not a single entity.

 

[easyt65]

One HUGE mistake by Biden:

BIDEN:
"Antifa is an idea not an organization"

That was a quote from FBI Director Wray
Appointed by Trump

He said Antifa is an ideology NOT an organization

There is no Antifa HQ. No leader of Antifa
Only ideals that people believe in

imo the distinction is that the various ANTIFA identified groups don't have any centralized hierarchy. Thus saying "Antifa needs to stand down" is false narrative. Proud Boys conversely has documented development from a single organizing effort

One might say "Antifa oriented organizations should not engage in violence."

BLM also is not a single entity.

Antifa, like BLM, have distinct funding sources, do have distinct identifiable planners and organizers. Democrats just do not want to do anything, to make any move against them. The Democrats have even come out and said 'If you want the violence to end, vote for Biden', as in the only way it stops is if Socialists / Marxists / Dems are put back in power.

 

[WTH_Progs?]

I'm glad the OP asked this question, because I can provide the answers, objectively

1. Biden said Trump caused the recession by closing down businesses, and if he's POTUS there will be more restrictions on business.

2. Biden said people have died and our schools must remain closed for safe spaces. Then he said the schools must be opened.

3. Biden said the left-condoned riots & protests occurring in left-run cities helps Trump. That took a lot of balls to project that far.

4. Biden said Trump said white-supremacists are good people. He didn't, but what the Hell.

 

[mamooth]

A few days ago, the Trump cult was all crowing that Biden wouldn't show, or that Trump would destroy him.

Now they're in mass-meltown mode. "WAAAAAH! THE MOD WAS BIASED! WAAAH!". Reality just smacked them really hard. I told them not to believe their own idiot propaganda, but they wouldn't listen.

Trump did poorly, Trump cultists, and it was his fault. Try to accept that with some grace. Or just throw more tantrums. We're okay with that, because your bad behavior sends more votes to the Democrats.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I don’t think Biden provided any substance to his platform. He talked about energy, climate change, and taxes on the rich but appeared to be disjointed in that somehow all of these initiatives were all going to lead to jobs. He provided no insight as to “how” or “why” those jobs were going to happen. It’s almost as if “jobs” was a mantra to make everyone feel good and to justify each of his initiatives.

I defy any Biden supporter to refute my thread on Biden without a “But Trump....” or bashing Trump. We already have plenty of threads playing up Biden dependent on Trump being bashed. Let’s see if Biden is a solid stand-alone.

He lied a lot, and he made a lot of assertions with zero evidence or explanation.

So . . . he was a typical Democrat. Or a typical politician.

 

[Cecilie1200]

He claimed Trump was wrong on everything but never even suggested what he would have done. He had a few generalities but would not even comment on if he would pack the court.
He showed nothing of substance. But at least he did manage to stay awake.
AOC said they could talk him into a more leftist stance once he is elected.

I liked when Trump said, "You're going to be dominated by your party, Joe, you know that."

 

[Cecilie1200]

If anything, I believe Biden lost some ground with his own supporters. He declared he was against defunding the police and insisted he was NOT for the Green New Deal, which is going to turn off a lot of far left extremists. I did find it amusing that Biden didn't recognize what was in 'his' plan - the Green New Deal posted on his web site.

Joe confirmed everyone's suspicion that his list of judges contains a bunch of radicals by refusing to release the list / name any names, and he ran from that challenge and from the question if supports packing the court.

His reaction to President Trump pointing out that he DID oppose life-saving travel bans - grimacing and shaking his head 'NO' - was a big flashing neon 'LIAR' sign over his head. Unless they were living in their basement like Joe, everyone remembers how Joe led the Democrats in opposition to them, calling them 'Xenophobic' while Democrats authored legislation to block the bans.

That's assuming Democrats/leftists actually expect their leaders to say the truth out loud, or take anything they say on the record seriously. The left is perfectly okay with their politicians saying whatever the fuck they have to at the moment, because they know it means nothing but an attempt to con the rubes out there.