With the high incidence of hypertension and heart disease this is a great idea

[Skull Pilot]

If you think everyone else is so stupid that they wouldn't be able to find out if smoking was bad for them then you foot the bill for all the education

LOL. If the info wasn't there to begin with... how are people suppose to get educated? Go to med school? become a scientist? That was a ridiculous statement.

The info was always there people just didn't care to look for it

Uh-huh. Tutt tutt, sometimes that bottom line dollar isn't in the bossman's pocket. You feel the same about warnings on alcohol bottles re: fetus' & pregnant mothers?

Why wouldn't I

And it's about personal responsibility

And FYI warnings on cigarettes started in 1965 and smoking still rose steadily until 1979 so how well did they work?

Are warning labels effective


And all those warnings haven't stopped idiots from drinking while pregnant and I daresay cigarette warnings didn't curb smoking that much the decline of social acceptance has done the most to reduce smoking at least in public and the fact that Dr's were telling their patients not to smoke

And guess what the government didn't have to mandate that and force Dr's to pay for it

 

[playtime]

Only a RWer would be against knowledge...

You would like to see health warnings taken off... how about these ads? Nothing wrong with these, right? No wonder smoking was acceptable...even encouraged & cancer death were astronomical back in the day... THIS was 'educational & informative' at one time.

...'not recommended for children under 6'

but 7 years old? THAT'S fine.

I'm not against knowledge but it's not my responsibility to pay to teach you anything it's up to you to do that for yourself

That's the problem w/ Lwingers they want everyone to do everything for them

And those ads are a little dated

How about you enter this decade

If you think everyone else is so stupid that they wouldn't be able to find out if smoking was bad for them then you foot the bill for all the education

I know they are dated... I specifically grabbed & posted them for a reason.

Smoking, & health related issues have decreased due to information... if that information weren't available, do you still think those death numbers would have dropped? Do you think people would think otherwise...that tobacco is cancer causing? Why do you think most people know that (now) to begin with?

And it's your erroneous contention that that info would not have been available but for the government forcing businesses to post it at their own expense.

LOL. for a lot of people it isn't. Guess what? Business' that contribute to cost lives should pick up that tab- or guess what? HIGHER HEALTHCARE COSTS = TAXPAYER DOLLARS. You think I like picking up the tab for those that can't pay their bills thru higher insurance premiums & Medicaid?

Businesses don't absorb these costs, they pass them on to the consumer.

If the market was clamoring for this "education" it would already be happening.

Liberals need to stop mandating their sick beliefs.

You are only trying to shame businesses and their consumers. We get it you don't like fast food. DON'T EAT IT.

If it's required by law, then it could be a TAX WRITE OFF.

 

[playtime]

Only a RWer would be against knowledge...

You would like to see health warnings taken off... how about these ads? Nothing wrong with these, right? No wonder smoking was acceptable...even encouraged & cancer death were astronomical back in the day... THIS was 'educational & informative' at one time.

...'not recommended for children under 6'

but 7 years old? THAT'S fine.

I'm not against knowledge but it's not my responsibility to pay to teach you anything it's up to you to do that for yourself

That's the problem w/ Lwingers they want everyone to do everything for them

And those ads are a little dated

How about you enter this decade

If you think everyone else is so stupid that they wouldn't be able to find out if smoking was bad for them then you foot the bill for all the education

I know they are dated... I specifically grabbed & posted them for a reason.

Smoking, & health related issues have decreased due to information... if that information weren't available, do you still think those death numbers would have dropped? Do you think people would think otherwise...that tobacco is cancer causing? Why do you think most people know that (now) to begin with?

And it's your erroneous contention that that info would not have been available but for the government forcing businesses to post it at their own expense.

LOL. for a lot of people it isn't. Guess what? Business' that contribute to cost lives should pick up that tab- or guess what? HIGHER HEALTHCARE COSTS = TAXPAYER DOLLARS. You think I like picking up the tab for those that can't pay their bills thru higher insurance premiums & Medicaid?

For one everyone has to buy their own insurance now and smokers have always always paid more for insurance than nin smokers so they already pay for their choices

There is no reason for a business to pay for their choices

Healthcare costs for lung cancer or some other kind use to outright bankrupt someone & people have lost their homes... THEN who pays 'eh? And there are plans that still make you pay out the ass...THAT'S our for profit healthcare system, skulldude.

 

[Defiant1]

I'm not against knowledge but it's not my responsibility to pay to teach you anything it's up to you to do that for yourself

That's the problem w/ Lwingers they want everyone to do everything for them

And those ads are a little dated

How about you enter this decade

If you think everyone else is so stupid that they wouldn't be able to find out if smoking was bad for them then you foot the bill for all the education

I know they are dated... I specifically grabbed & posted them for a reason.

Smoking, & health related issues have decreased due to information... if that information weren't available, do you still think those death numbers would have dropped? Do you think people would think otherwise...that tobacco is cancer causing? Why do you think most people know that (now) to begin with?

And it's your erroneous contention that that info would not have been available but for the government forcing businesses to post it at their own expense.

LOL. for a lot of people it isn't. Guess what? Business' that contribute to cost lives should pick up that tab- or guess what? HIGHER HEALTHCARE COSTS = TAXPAYER DOLLARS. You think I like picking up the tab for those that can't pay their bills thru higher insurance premiums & Medicaid?

Businesses don't absorb these costs, they pass them on to the consumer.

If the market was clamoring for this "education" it would already be happening.

Liberals need to stop mandating their sick beliefs.

You are only trying to shame businesses and their consumers. We get it you don't like fast food. DON'T EAT IT.

If it's required by law, then it could be a TAX WRITE OFF.

That's a joke, right?

 

[playtime]

I know they are dated... I specifically grabbed & posted them for a reason.

Smoking, & health related issues have decreased due to information... if that information weren't available, do you still think those death numbers would have dropped? Do you think people would think otherwise...that tobacco is cancer causing? Why do you think most people know that (now) to begin with?

And it's your erroneous contention that that info would not have been available but for the government forcing businesses to post it at their own expense.

LOL. for a lot of people it isn't. Guess what? Business' that contribute to cost lives should pick up that tab- or guess what? HIGHER HEALTHCARE COSTS = TAXPAYER DOLLARS. You think I like picking up the tab for those that can't pay their bills thru higher insurance premiums & Medicaid?

Businesses don't absorb these costs, they pass them on to the consumer.

If the market was clamoring for this "education" it would already be happening.

Liberals need to stop mandating their sick beliefs.

You are only trying to shame businesses and their consumers. We get it you don't like fast food. DON'T EAT IT.

If it's required by law, then it could be a TAX WRITE OFF.

That's a joke, right?

then it should be. but don't cry me a river about how food chains can't absorb it anyway... not when the taxpayers are footing the bill for their employee's health ins. AND food stamps. we aren't even talking about mom & pop places.

 

[Defiant1]

And it's your erroneous contention that that info would not have been available but for the government forcing businesses to post it at their own expense.

LOL. for a lot of people it isn't. Guess what? Business' that contribute to cost lives should pick up that tab- or guess what? HIGHER HEALTHCARE COSTS = TAXPAYER DOLLARS. You think I like picking up the tab for those that can't pay their bills thru higher insurance premiums & Medicaid?

Businesses don't absorb these costs, they pass them on to the consumer.

If the market was clamoring for this "education" it would already be happening.

Liberals need to stop mandating their sick beliefs.

You are only trying to shame businesses and their consumers. We get it you don't like fast food. DON'T EAT IT.

If it's required by law, then it could be a TAX WRITE OFF.

That's a joke, right?

then it should be. but don't cry me a river about how food chains can't absorb it anyway... not when the taxpayers are footing the bill for their employee's health ins. AND food stamps. we aren't even talking about mom & pop places.

Businesses employ people, they are not responsible for the personal lives of their employees.
If a person has over-extended themselves due to bad luck or poor decisions it isn't on the employer.
If your job doesn't pay for the lifestyle you want to live, get a different job.
Taxpayers are footing the bill for irresponsible people.

 

[hjmick]

This should be rolled out nationwide as information will help make choices easier. In addition if people make decisions based on data it may impact health care and and associated high costs of treatment and use of medications


New York adopts first US menu salt warnings

New York on Tuesday became the first U.S. city to adopt salt warnings on restaurant menus for food containing more than the daily recommended limit, in a bid to fight heart disease.

The law applies to chains with more than 15 restaurants across the country, and requires a saltshaker icon next to items that contain 2.3 grams or more of sodium — about a teaspoon's worth.

It also requires chains to post a warning statement advising that high sodium intake can increase the risk of heart disease and stroke — the two biggest killers in America.



New York adopts first US menu salt warnings

Ah yes, in praise of the Nanny State... Why am I not surprised?

 

[Skull Pilot]

I'm not against knowledge but it's not my responsibility to pay to teach you anything it's up to you to do that for yourself

That's the problem w/ Lwingers they want everyone to do everything for them

And those ads are a little dated

How about you enter this decade

If you think everyone else is so stupid that they wouldn't be able to find out if smoking was bad for them then you foot the bill for all the education

I know they are dated... I specifically grabbed & posted them for a reason.

Smoking, & health related issues have decreased due to information... if that information weren't available, do you still think those death numbers would have dropped? Do you think people would think otherwise...that tobacco is cancer causing? Why do you think most people know that (now) to begin with?

And it's your erroneous contention that that info would not have been available but for the government forcing businesses to post it at their own expense.

LOL. for a lot of people it isn't. Guess what? Business' that contribute to cost lives should pick up that tab- or guess what? HIGHER HEALTHCARE COSTS = TAXPAYER DOLLARS. You think I like picking up the tab for those that can't pay their bills thru higher insurance premiums & Medicaid?

Businesses don't absorb these costs, they pass them on to the consumer.

If the market was clamoring for this "education" it would already be happening.

Liberals need to stop mandating their sick beliefs.

You are only trying to shame businesses and their consumers. We get it you don't like fast food. DON'T EAT IT.

If it's required by law, then it could be a TAX WRITE OFF.

If you think spending money simply for a tax write off is good business then you don't know squat about business

 

[Skull Pilot]

I'm not against knowledge but it's not my responsibility to pay to teach you anything it's up to you to do that for yourself

That's the problem w/ Lwingers they want everyone to do everything for them

And those ads are a little dated

How about you enter this decade

If you think everyone else is so stupid that they wouldn't be able to find out if smoking was bad for them then you foot the bill for all the education

I know they are dated... I specifically grabbed & posted them for a reason.

Smoking, & health related issues have decreased due to information... if that information weren't available, do you still think those death numbers would have dropped? Do you think people would think otherwise...that tobacco is cancer causing? Why do you think most people know that (now) to begin with?

And it's your erroneous contention that that info would not have been available but for the government forcing businesses to post it at their own expense.

LOL. for a lot of people it isn't. Guess what? Business' that contribute to cost lives should pick up that tab- or guess what? HIGHER HEALTHCARE COSTS = TAXPAYER DOLLARS. You think I like picking up the tab for those that can't pay their bills thru higher insurance premiums & Medicaid?

For one everyone has to buy their own insurance now and smokers have always always paid more for insurance than nin smokers so they already pay for their choices

There is no reason for a business to pay for their choices

Healthcare costs for lung cancer or some other kind use to outright bankrupt someone & people have lost their homes... THEN who pays 'eh? And there are plans that still make you pay out the ass...THAT'S our for profit healthcare system, skulldude.

Who pays when a person goes bankrupt

Not you unless you happen to be owed money by the person filing

 

[playtime]

LOL. for a lot of people it isn't. Guess what? Business' that contribute to cost lives should pick up that tab- or guess what? HIGHER HEALTHCARE COSTS = TAXPAYER DOLLARS. You think I like picking up the tab for those that can't pay their bills thru higher insurance premiums & Medicaid?

Businesses don't absorb these costs, they pass them on to the consumer.

If the market was clamoring for this "education" it would already be happening.

Liberals need to stop mandating their sick beliefs.

You are only trying to shame businesses and their consumers. We get it you don't like fast food. DON'T EAT IT.

If it's required by law, then it could be a TAX WRITE OFF.

That's a joke, right?

then it should be. but don't cry me a river about how food chains can't absorb it anyway... not when the taxpayers are footing the bill for their employee's health ins. AND food stamps. we aren't even talking about mom & pop places.

Businesses employ people, they are not responsible for the personal lives of their employees.
If a person has over-extended themselves due to bad luck or poor decisions it isn't on the employer.
If your job doesn't pay for the lifestyle you want to live, get a different job.
Taxpayers are footing the bill for irresponsible people.

wages effectively haven't matched the cost of living since the 70s.

that is a fact jack.

 

[playtime]

I know they are dated... I specifically grabbed & posted them for a reason.

Smoking, & health related issues have decreased due to information... if that information weren't available, do you still think those death numbers would have dropped? Do you think people would think otherwise...that tobacco is cancer causing? Why do you think most people know that (now) to begin with?

And it's your erroneous contention that that info would not have been available but for the government forcing businesses to post it at their own expense.

LOL. for a lot of people it isn't. Guess what? Business' that contribute to cost lives should pick up that tab- or guess what? HIGHER HEALTHCARE COSTS = TAXPAYER DOLLARS. You think I like picking up the tab for those that can't pay their bills thru higher insurance premiums & Medicaid?

Businesses don't absorb these costs, they pass them on to the consumer.

If the market was clamoring for this "education" it would already be happening.

Liberals need to stop mandating their sick beliefs.

You are only trying to shame businesses and their consumers. We get it you don't like fast food. DON'T EAT IT.

If it's required by law, then it could be a TAX WRITE OFF.

If you think spending money simply for a tax write off is good business then you don't know squat about business

that's not quite what I said.

 

[playtime]

I know they are dated... I specifically grabbed & posted them for a reason.

Smoking, & health related issues have decreased due to information... if that information weren't available, do you still think those death numbers would have dropped? Do you think people would think otherwise...that tobacco is cancer causing? Why do you think most people know that (now) to begin with?

And it's your erroneous contention that that info would not have been available but for the government forcing businesses to post it at their own expense.

LOL. for a lot of people it isn't. Guess what? Business' that contribute to cost lives should pick up that tab- or guess what? HIGHER HEALTHCARE COSTS = TAXPAYER DOLLARS. You think I like picking up the tab for those that can't pay their bills thru higher insurance premiums & Medicaid?

For one everyone has to buy their own insurance now and smokers have always always paid more for insurance than nin smokers so they already pay for their choices

There is no reason for a business to pay for their choices

Healthcare costs for lung cancer or some other kind use to outright bankrupt someone & people have lost their homes... THEN who pays 'eh? And there are plans that still make you pay out the ass...THAT'S our for profit healthcare system, skulldude.

Who pays when a person goes bankrupt

Not you unless you happen to be owed money by the person filing

I'm betting you think healthcare should be completely privatized & a for profit entity...

lol, am I right?

 

[Defiant1]

Businesses don't absorb these costs, they pass them on to the consumer.

If the market was clamoring for this "education" it would already be happening.

Liberals need to stop mandating their sick beliefs.

You are only trying to shame businesses and their consumers. We get it you don't like fast food. DON'T EAT IT.

If it's required by law, then it could be a TAX WRITE OFF.

That's a joke, right?

then it should be. but don't cry me a river about how food chains can't absorb it anyway... not when the taxpayers are footing the bill for their employee's health ins. AND food stamps. we aren't even talking about mom & pop places.

Businesses employ people, they are not responsible for the personal lives of their employees.
If a person has over-extended themselves due to bad luck or poor decisions it isn't on the employer.
If your job doesn't pay for the lifestyle you want to live, get a different job.
Taxpayers are footing the bill for irresponsible people.

wages effectively haven't matched the cost of living since the 70s.

that is a fact jack.

My wife and were married in '73. It was a while before we could afford to move out of an apartment and buy a house.
Now we have a 2100+ sq ft house, pool, on over an acre of land, 3 cars, and 2 boats.
We could afford 1 or 2 more houses if we wanted to.

 

[Skull Pilot]

And it's your erroneous contention that that info would not have been available but for the government forcing businesses to post it at their own expense.

LOL. for a lot of people it isn't. Guess what? Business' that contribute to cost lives should pick up that tab- or guess what? HIGHER HEALTHCARE COSTS = TAXPAYER DOLLARS. You think I like picking up the tab for those that can't pay their bills thru higher insurance premiums & Medicaid?

Businesses don't absorb these costs, they pass them on to the consumer.

If the market was clamoring for this "education" it would already be happening.

Liberals need to stop mandating their sick beliefs.

You are only trying to shame businesses and their consumers. We get it you don't like fast food. DON'T EAT IT.

If it's required by law, then it could be a TAX WRITE OFF.

If you think spending money simply for a tax write off is good business then you don't know squat about business

that's not quite what I said.

Then why put tax write off in all caps?

 

[Skull Pilot]

And it's your erroneous contention that that info would not have been available but for the government forcing businesses to post it at their own expense.

LOL. for a lot of people it isn't. Guess what? Business' that contribute to cost lives should pick up that tab- or guess what? HIGHER HEALTHCARE COSTS = TAXPAYER DOLLARS. You think I like picking up the tab for those that can't pay their bills thru higher insurance premiums & Medicaid?

For one everyone has to buy their own insurance now and smokers have always always paid more for insurance than nin smokers so they already pay for their choices

There is no reason for a business to pay for their choices

Healthcare costs for lung cancer or some other kind use to outright bankrupt someone & people have lost their homes... THEN who pays 'eh? And there are plans that still make you pay out the ass...THAT'S our for profit healthcare system, skulldude.

Who pays when a person goes bankrupt

Not you unless you happen to be owed money by the person filing

I'm betting you think healthcare should be completely privatized & a for profit entity...

lol, am I right?

I bet you think I should pay for your health care

 

[playtime]

wages effectively haven't matched the cost of living since the 70s.

that is a fact jack.

My wife and were married in '73. It was a while before we could afford to move out of an apartment and buy a house.
Now we have a 2100+ sq ft house, pool, on over an acre of land, 3 cars, and 2 boats.
We could afford 1 or 2 more houses if we wanted to.

that's nice. i am thrilled for you, however your anecdotal story doesn't quite match what the real truthful facts are. jack.


October 9, 2014
For most workers, real wages have barely budged for decades
By Drew DeSilver46 comments

Following the better-than-expected September jobs report, several economic analyses have pointed out the continuing lack of meaningful wage growth, even as tens of thousands of people head back to work. Economic theory, after all, predicts that as labor markets tighten, employers will offer higher wages to entice workers their way.

But a look at five decades’ worth of government wage data suggests that the better question might be, why should now be any different? For most U.S. workers, real wages — that is, after inflation is taken into account — have been flat or even falling for decades, regardless of whether the economy has been adding or subtracting jobs.

Cash money isn’t the only way workers are compensated, of course — health insurance, retirement-account contributions, education and transit subsidies and other benefits all can be part of the package. But wages and salaries are the biggest (about 70%, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics) and most visible component of employee compensation.

According to the BLS, the average hourly wage for non-management private-sector workers last month was $20.67, unchanged from August and 2.3% above the average wage a year earlier. That’s not much, especially when compared with the pre-Great Recession years of 2006 and 2007, when the average hourly wage often increased by around 4% year-over-year. (During the high-inflation years of the 1970s and early 1980s, average wages commonly jumped 8%, 9% or even more year-over-year.)

But after adjusting for inflation, today’s average hourly wage has just about the same purchasing power as it did in 1979, following a long slide in the 1980s and early 1990s and bumpy, inconsistent growth since then. In fact, in real terms the average wage peaked more than 40 years ago: The $4.03-an-hour rate recorded in January 1973 has the same purchasing power as $22.41 would today...'

For most workers, real wages have barely budged for decades

 

[playtime]

LOL. for a lot of people it isn't. Guess what? Business' that contribute to cost lives should pick up that tab- or guess what? HIGHER HEALTHCARE COSTS = TAXPAYER DOLLARS. You think I like picking up the tab for those that can't pay their bills thru higher insurance premiums & Medicaid?

Businesses don't absorb these costs, they pass them on to the consumer.

If the market was clamoring for this "education" it would already be happening.

Liberals need to stop mandating their sick beliefs.

You are only trying to shame businesses and their consumers. We get it you don't like fast food. DON'T EAT IT.

If it's required by law, then it could be a TAX WRITE OFF.

If you think spending money simply for a tax write off is good business then you don't know squat about business

that's not quite what I said.

Then why put tax write off in all caps?

I said it COULD be a TAX WRITE OFF. Where in that did I say that 'spending money SIMPLY for a tax write off is good business?' There are many things & reasons to do something in particular that makes a good business decision.

 

[playtime]

LOL. for a lot of people it isn't. Guess what? Business' that contribute to cost lives should pick up that tab- or guess what? HIGHER HEALTHCARE COSTS = TAXPAYER DOLLARS. You think I like picking up the tab for those that can't pay their bills thru higher insurance premiums & Medicaid?

For one everyone has to buy their own insurance now and smokers have always always paid more for insurance than nin smokers so they already pay for their choices

There is no reason for a business to pay for their choices

Healthcare costs for lung cancer or some other kind use to outright bankrupt someone & people have lost their homes... THEN who pays 'eh? And there are plans that still make you pay out the ass...THAT'S our for profit healthcare system, skulldude.

Who pays when a person goes bankrupt

Not you unless you happen to be owed money by the person filing

I'm betting you think healthcare should be completely privatized & a for profit entity...

lol, am I right?

I bet you think I should pay for your health care

oh no worries skull dude... right now you don't pay a thing for me... I have a nice little Cadillac plan. however, I think everybody should pay into the kittie one way or the other for healthcare. i'd be willing to pay higher taxes... higher gas prices, & a little extra for a lousy pizza if that meant I or anybody else would not have to pay another premium, co pay, or co insurance ever again, & lose everything they have because of illness or an accident. in fact- tack on an extra dollar or 2 for tobacco to help pad that coffer & keep calling it a sin tax.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Businesses don't absorb these costs, they pass them on to the consumer.

If the market was clamoring for this "education" it would already be happening.

Liberals need to stop mandating their sick beliefs.

You are only trying to shame businesses and their consumers. We get it you don't like fast food. DON'T EAT IT.

If it's required by law, then it could be a TAX WRITE OFF.

If you think spending money simply for a tax write off is good business then you don't know squat about business

that's not quite what I said.

Then why put tax write off in all caps?

I said it COULD be a TAX WRITE OFF. Where in that did I say that 'spending money SIMPLY for a tax write off is good business?' There are many things & reasons to do something in particular that makes a good business decision.

Tell me what on earth do you think is so great about a TAX WRITE OFF?

ANd really when it comes to spending money for a business the only good decision is if the money you spend results in a net gain

Being forced to comply with all these stupid warnings does nothing but make everything cost more for the consumer and all the information in these ineffective warings ia already available to the public for FREE

 

[Skull Pilot]

For one everyone has to buy their own insurance now and smokers have always always paid more for insurance than nin smokers so they already pay for their choices

There is no reason for a business to pay for their choices

Healthcare costs for lung cancer or some other kind use to outright bankrupt someone & people have lost their homes... THEN who pays 'eh? And there are plans that still make you pay out the ass...THAT'S our for profit healthcare system, skulldude.

Who pays when a person goes bankrupt

Not you unless you happen to be owed money by the person filing

I'm betting you think healthcare should be completely privatized & a for profit entity...

lol, am I right?

I bet you think I should pay for your health care

oh no worries skull dude... right now you don't pay a thing for me... I have a nice little Cadillac plan. however, I think everybody should pay into the kittie one way or the other for healthcare. i'd be willing to pay higher taxes... higher gas prices, & a little extra for a lousy pizza if that meant I or anybody else would not have to pay another premium, co pay, or co insurance ever again, & lose everything they have because of illness or an accident. in fact- tack on an extra dollar or 2 for tobacco to help pad that coffer & keep calling it a sin tax.

Then why don't you lead by example and send in some extra money to the US treasury I'm sure the government would be more than happy to take it