("Wipe off the map" XV) Iranian military official: We have 100,000 missiles in Lebanon ready to hit

[irosie91]

According to Jose-----all of the jews of the Palestine Mandate---DEFECTED to the arab side and converted to islam in 1947

Jose and Mr tin who INSIST that MOST OF THE JEWS IN the Palestine mandate REJECTED the idea of a jewish state as part of the land of the Palestine mandate---and SO---OBVIOUSLY, did not fight the invading arab armies ------LAUGH because I repeated their lie

 

[irosie91]

According to Jose-----all of the jews of the Palestine Mandate---DEFECTED to the arab side and converted to islam in 1947

Jose and Mr Tin continue to support each other's lies-----and the idiot crap of a TOM SEGEV ---a writer for HA ARETZ----the
Israeli SUPERMARKET TABLOID-------My husband who IS
an "arab jew" (in the lingo of jose) AND----an ARAB PALESTINIAN JEW (sic--no less) laughed. Thanks tin and jose for giving hubby a laugh. I was gone from this board--for several weeks-----a few months ago-----mostly in RISHON L'TZION where all those "arab-palestinian" jews still live ---the ones that Jose claims were and are "anti-Zionist"
ha-aretz<<<<roflmao---it is a tabloid in which anyone
can publish if willing to write nutty stuff----and not get paid

 

[irosie91]

You can't use the term "the Jews." There is no such thing as "the Jews."

I didn't use the term "the Jews". I used the phrase "the Jews who were resident in 1925". That was YOUR criteria for citizenship and therefore, self-determination and sovereignty.

So, still waiting for you to answer my post about what your proposed solution to the conflict is.

it is not clear to me why there is no such thing as "the jews"---
is there ----"the French"?

do you think that Mr tin and Jose are going to explain their assertion which seems to be <there is no such thing as
the jews> ?????

 

[IsaacNewton]

Yes, I know AhmadInJihad never said "wiped off the map" precisely, but that WAS the gist of his statement.
Now we have Yet Another iteration by another Iranian leader.

Iranian military official: We have 100,000 missiles in Lebanon ready to hit Israel
Iranian military official: We have 100,000 missiles in Lebanon ready to hit Israel

President Hassan Rouhan said the last year’s nuclear deal “was the cheapest way to achieve Iran’s goals and interests.”

Speaking in Tehran on Saturday at an iftar meal breaking the Ramadan fast, Rouhani said the pre-Iran nuclear-deal era is past and Iran now needs to take advantage of the new atmosphere to pursue its “national interests more than before,” Iran’s Islamic Republic News Agency reported.

The country’s supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei on Saturday called for student associations to establish a “unified anti-US and anti-Zionist front” among the Muslim world’s students, Tasnim News Agency reported.

“By using advanced means of communication and in cyberspace, general campaigns can be formed by Muslim students based on the opposition to the policies of the US and the Zionist regime of Israel so that when needed, millions of young Muslim students create a big movement in the Islamic world,” he said.
Khamenei also warned against plots by enemies seeking to sabotage the country.

Separately, on Saturday, Fars News Agency reported a senior official of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards as having said Israel’s Iran Dome anti-rocket system has vulnerabilities that were revealed in recent wars.
On a similar note, the deputy commander of the Revolutionary Guards, Brig.-Gen. Hossein Salami, said on Friday “more than 100,000 missiles are ready to fly from Lebanon,” according to Tasnim.

“Today, the grounds for the annihilation and collapse of the Zionist regime are [present] more than ever,” he declared, saying there are “tens of thousands of destructive long-range missiles” from Islamic territories aiming at all of “occupied” Israel.

“If the Zionists make a wrong move, all the occupied territories will come under attack from dedicated fighters and, God willing, the territories will be liberated,” Salami warned.

On Friday, Rouhani accused Western powers of trying to exploit differences between the world’s Sunni and Shi’ite Muslims to divert attention from the Israel-Palestinian conflict, state television reported.
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Sooooo then, why haven't they?

Because Israel has thermonuclear weapons, 3 or 4 of which would irradiate Iran's entire country for thousands of years. You can't threaten a bear with a slingshot. At some point it will turn it's attention to you and you can't run fast enough.

 

[irosie91]

Yes, I know AhmadInJihad never said "wiped off the map" precisely, but that WAS the gist of his statement.
Now we have Yet Another iteration by another Iranian leader.

Iranian military official: We have 100,000 missiles in Lebanon ready to hit Israel
Iranian military official: We have 100,000 missiles in Lebanon ready to hit Israel

President Hassan Rouhan said the last year’s nuclear deal “was the cheapest way to achieve Iran’s goals and interests.”

Speaking in Tehran on Saturday at an iftar meal breaking the Ramadan fast, Rouhani said the pre-Iran nuclear-deal era is past and Iran now needs to take advantage of the new atmosphere to pursue its “national interests more than before,” Iran’s Islamic Republic News Agency reported.

The country’s supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei on Saturday called for student associations to establish a “unified anti-US and anti-Zionist front” among the Muslim world’s students, Tasnim News Agency reported.

“By using advanced means of communication and in cyberspace, general campaigns can be formed by Muslim students based on the opposition to the policies of the US and the Zionist regime of Israel so that when needed, millions of young Muslim students create a big movement in the Islamic world,” he said.
Khamenei also warned against plots by enemies seeking to sabotage the country.

Separately, on Saturday, Fars News Agency reported a senior official of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards as having said Israel’s Iran Dome anti-rocket system has vulnerabilities that were revealed in recent wars.
On a similar note, the deputy commander of the Revolutionary Guards, Brig.-Gen. Hossein Salami, said on Friday “more than 100,000 missiles are ready to fly from Lebanon,” according to Tasnim.

“Today, the grounds for the annihilation and collapse of the Zionist regime are [present] more than ever,” he declared, saying there are “tens of thousands of destructive long-range missiles” from Islamic territories aiming at all of “occupied” Israel.

“If the Zionists make a wrong move, all the occupied territories will come under attack from dedicated fighters and, God willing, the territories will be liberated,” Salami warned.

On Friday, Rouhani accused Western powers of trying to exploit differences between the world’s Sunni and Shi’ite Muslims to divert attention from the Israel-Palestinian conflict, state television reported.
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Sooooo then, why haven't they?

Because Israel has thermonuclear weapons, 3 or 4 of which would irradiate Iran's entire country for thousands of years. You can't threaten a bear with a slingshot. At some point it will turn it's attention to you and you can't run fast enough.

think about your response a bit-----newton-----it is idiotic

 

[IsaacNewton]

Yes, I know AhmadInJihad never said "wiped off the map" precisely, but that WAS the gist of his statement.
Now we have Yet Another iteration by another Iranian leader.

Iranian military official: We have 100,000 missiles in Lebanon ready to hit Israel
Iranian military official: We have 100,000 missiles in Lebanon ready to hit Israel

President Hassan Rouhan said the last year’s nuclear deal “was the cheapest way to achieve Iran’s goals and interests.”

Speaking in Tehran on Saturday at an iftar meal breaking the Ramadan fast, Rouhani said the pre-Iran nuclear-deal era is past and Iran now needs to take advantage of the new atmosphere to pursue its “national interests more than before,” Iran’s Islamic Republic News Agency reported.

The country’s supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei on Saturday called for student associations to establish a “unified anti-US and anti-Zionist front” among the Muslim world’s students, Tasnim News Agency reported.

“By using advanced means of communication and in cyberspace, general campaigns can be formed by Muslim students based on the opposition to the policies of the US and the Zionist regime of Israel so that when needed, millions of young Muslim students create a big movement in the Islamic world,” he said.
Khamenei also warned against plots by enemies seeking to sabotage the country.

Separately, on Saturday, Fars News Agency reported a senior official of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards as having said Israel’s Iran Dome anti-rocket system has vulnerabilities that were revealed in recent wars.
On a similar note, the deputy commander of the Revolutionary Guards, Brig.-Gen. Hossein Salami, said on Friday “more than 100,000 missiles are ready to fly from Lebanon,” according to Tasnim.

“Today, the grounds for the annihilation and collapse of the Zionist regime are [present] more than ever,” he declared, saying there are “tens of thousands of destructive long-range missiles” from Islamic territories aiming at all of “occupied” Israel.

“If the Zionists make a wrong move, all the occupied territories will come under attack from dedicated fighters and, God willing, the territories will be liberated,” Salami warned.

On Friday, Rouhani accused Western powers of trying to exploit differences between the world’s Sunni and Shi’ite Muslims to divert attention from the Israel-Palestinian conflict, state television reported.
[.......]​

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Sooooo then, why haven't they?

Because Israel has thermonuclear weapons, 3 or 4 of which would irradiate Iran's entire country for thousands of years. You can't threaten a bear with a slingshot. At some point it will turn it's attention to you and you can't run fast enough.

think about your response a bit-----newton-----it is idiotic

What is wrong with you?

 

[irosie91]

Yes, I know AhmadInJihad never said "wiped off the map" precisely, but that WAS the gist of his statement.
Now we have Yet Another iteration by another Iranian leader.

Iranian military official: We have 100,000 missiles in Lebanon ready to hit Israel
Iranian military official: We have 100,000 missiles in Lebanon ready to hit Israel

President Hassan Rouhan said the last year’s nuclear deal “was the cheapest way to achieve Iran’s goals and interests.”

Speaking in Tehran on Saturday at an iftar meal breaking the Ramadan fast, Rouhani said the pre-Iran nuclear-deal era is past and Iran now needs to take advantage of the new atmosphere to pursue its “national interests more than before,” Iran’s Islamic Republic News Agency reported.

The country’s supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei on Saturday called for student associations to establish a “unified anti-US and anti-Zionist front” among the Muslim world’s students, Tasnim News Agency reported.

“By using advanced means of communication and in cyberspace, general campaigns can be formed by Muslim students based on the opposition to the policies of the US and the Zionist regime of Israel so that when needed, millions of young Muslim students create a big movement in the Islamic world,” he said.
Khamenei also warned against plots by enemies seeking to sabotage the country.

Separately, on Saturday, Fars News Agency reported a senior official of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards as having said Israel’s Iran Dome anti-rocket system has vulnerabilities that were revealed in recent wars.
On a similar note, the deputy commander of the Revolutionary Guards, Brig.-Gen. Hossein Salami, said on Friday “more than 100,000 missiles are ready to fly from Lebanon,” according to Tasnim.

“Today, the grounds for the annihilation and collapse of the Zionist regime are [present] more than ever,” he declared, saying there are “tens of thousands of destructive long-range missiles” from Islamic territories aiming at all of “occupied” Israel.

“If the Zionists make a wrong move, all the occupied territories will come under attack from dedicated fighters and, God willing, the territories will be liberated,” Salami warned.

On Friday, Rouhani accused Western powers of trying to exploit differences between the world’s Sunni and Shi’ite Muslims to divert attention from the Israel-Palestinian conflict, state television reported.
[.......]​

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Sooooo then, why haven't they?

Because Israel has thermonuclear weapons, 3 or 4 of which would irradiate Iran's entire country for thousands of years. You can't threaten a bear with a slingshot. At some point it will turn it's attention to you and you can't run fast enough.

think about your response a bit-----newton-----it is idiotic

What is wrong with you?

nothing---just a bit impatient with those who see
DA BOMB as the only 'real' danger in the world.

 

[IsaacNewton]

Yes, I know AhmadInJihad never said "wiped off the map" precisely, but that WAS the gist of his statement.
Now we have Yet Another iteration by another Iranian leader.

Iranian military official: We have 100,000 missiles in Lebanon ready to hit Israel
Iranian military official: We have 100,000 missiles in Lebanon ready to hit Israel

President Hassan Rouhan said the last year’s nuclear deal “was the cheapest way to achieve Iran’s goals and interests.”

Speaking in Tehran on Saturday at an iftar meal breaking the Ramadan fast, Rouhani said the pre-Iran nuclear-deal era is past and Iran now needs to take advantage of the new atmosphere to pursue its “national interests more than before,” Iran’s Islamic Republic News Agency reported.

The country’s supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei on Saturday called for student associations to establish a “unified anti-US and anti-Zionist front” among the Muslim world’s students, Tasnim News Agency reported.

“By using advanced means of communication and in cyberspace, general campaigns can be formed by Muslim students based on the opposition to the policies of the US and the Zionist regime of Israel so that when needed, millions of young Muslim students create a big movement in the Islamic world,” he said.
Khamenei also warned against plots by enemies seeking to sabotage the country.

Separately, on Saturday, Fars News Agency reported a senior official of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards as having said Israel’s Iran Dome anti-rocket system has vulnerabilities that were revealed in recent wars.
On a similar note, the deputy commander of the Revolutionary Guards, Brig.-Gen. Hossein Salami, said on Friday “more than 100,000 missiles are ready to fly from Lebanon,” according to Tasnim.

“Today, the grounds for the annihilation and collapse of the Zionist regime are [present] more than ever,” he declared, saying there are “tens of thousands of destructive long-range missiles” from Islamic territories aiming at all of “occupied” Israel.

“If the Zionists make a wrong move, all the occupied territories will come under attack from dedicated fighters and, God willing, the territories will be liberated,” Salami warned.

On Friday, Rouhani accused Western powers of trying to exploit differences between the world’s Sunni and Shi’ite Muslims to divert attention from the Israel-Palestinian conflict, state television reported.
[.......]​

`

Sooooo then, why haven't they?

Because Israel has thermonuclear weapons, 3 or 4 of which would irradiate Iran's entire country for thousands of years. You can't threaten a bear with a slingshot. At some point it will turn it's attention to you and you can't run fast enough.

think about your response a bit-----newton-----it is idiotic

What is wrong with you?

nothing---just a bit impatient with those who see
DA BOMB as the only 'real' danger in the world.

You have to connect the dots. The reason NO ONE will attack Israel like that is because they can never win. Ever. It would be self-destruction. It is known as MADD. Mutually Assured Self Destruction. The US and Soviet Union played this game for 45 years.

 

[irosie91]

Yes, I know AhmadInJihad never said "wiped off the map" precisely, but that WAS the gist of his statement.
Now we have Yet Another iteration by another Iranian leader.

Iranian military official: We have 100,000 missiles in Lebanon ready to hit Israel
Iranian military official: We have 100,000 missiles in Lebanon ready to hit Israel

President Hassan Rouhan said the last year’s nuclear deal “was the cheapest way to achieve Iran’s goals and interests.”

Speaking in Tehran on Saturday at an iftar meal breaking the Ramadan fast, Rouhani said the pre-Iran nuclear-deal era is past and Iran now needs to take advantage of the new atmosphere to pursue its “national interests more than before,” Iran’s Islamic Republic News Agency reported.

The country’s supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei on Saturday called for student associations to establish a “unified anti-US and anti-Zionist front” among the Muslim world’s students, Tasnim News Agency reported.

“By using advanced means of communication and in cyberspace, general campaigns can be formed by Muslim students based on the opposition to the policies of the US and the Zionist regime of Israel so that when needed, millions of young Muslim students create a big movement in the Islamic world,” he said.
Khamenei also warned against plots by enemies seeking to sabotage the country.

Separately, on Saturday, Fars News Agency reported a senior official of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards as having said Israel’s Iran Dome anti-rocket system has vulnerabilities that were revealed in recent wars.
On a similar note, the deputy commander of the Revolutionary Guards, Brig.-Gen. Hossein Salami, said on Friday “more than 100,000 missiles are ready to fly from Lebanon,” according to Tasnim.

“Today, the grounds for the annihilation and collapse of the Zionist regime are [present] more than ever,” he declared, saying there are “tens of thousands of destructive long-range missiles” from Islamic territories aiming at all of “occupied” Israel.

“If the Zionists make a wrong move, all the occupied territories will come under attack from dedicated fighters and, God willing, the territories will be liberated,” Salami warned.

On Friday, Rouhani accused Western powers of trying to exploit differences between the world’s Sunni and Shi’ite Muslims to divert attention from the Israel-Palestinian conflict, state television reported.
[.......]​

`

Sooooo then, why haven't they?

Because Israel has thermonuclear weapons, 3 or 4 of which would irradiate Iran's entire country for thousands of years. You can't threaten a bear with a slingshot. At some point it will turn it's attention to you and you can't run fast enough.

think about your response a bit-----newton-----it is idiotic

What is wrong with you?

nothing---just a bit impatient with those who see
DA BOMB as the only 'real' danger in the world.

You have to connect the dots. The reason NO ONE will attack Israel like that is because they can never win. Ever. It would be self-destruction. It is known as MADD. Mutually Assured Self Destruction. The US and Soviet Union played this game for 45 years.

right ---it is an issue----but not BY FAR-----the only issue or ever the MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE. Despite DA BOMB---the deadly hostilities will continue and Hezbollah will be drawing LOTS OF BLOOD

 

[IsaacNewton]

Sooooo then, why haven't they?

Because Israel has thermonuclear weapons, 3 or 4 of which would irradiate Iran's entire country for thousands of years. You can't threaten a bear with a slingshot. At some point it will turn it's attention to you and you can't run fast enough.

think about your response a bit-----newton-----it is idiotic

What is wrong with you?

nothing---just a bit impatient with those who see
DA BOMB as the only 'real' danger in the world.

You have to connect the dots. The reason NO ONE will attack Israel like that is because they can never win. Ever. It would be self-destruction. It is known as MADD. Mutually Assured Self Destruction. The US and Soviet Union played this game for 45 years.

right ---it is an issue----but not BY FAR-----the only issue or ever the MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE. Despite DA BOMB---the deadly hostilities will continue and Hezbollah will be drawing LOTS OF BLOOD

The OP states 'wipe off the map'. That isn't going to happen.

 

[abu afak]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes and this is a stock answer.

Indeed, the Palestinians refused to buy into the British/Zionist colonial project.

What else you got?

(COMMENT)

Each time the Arab Palestinians failed to cooperate, the more difficult it becomes to keep up with those attempting to build a Jewish Nation Home.

The Arab Palestinian cannot, over sustained period of time refuse to participate, reject opportunities and violate the restrictions on threats and the use of force ... and still claim foul. That simply doesn't even pass the smell test.

Similarly, the Arab Palestinian cannot incite or initiate jihadist and terrorist activity over and over again and not expect to be on the receiving end of retaliation and suppression. They simply cannot openly initiate decades of conflict and not expect consequences.

And together, the accumulation of these conditions will be self-destructive which is also a (inherent and universal) right the Arab Palestinians have.
​

(SUBSTANCE)
The comeback of: What else your got? is (admittedly) a snappy answer. Buck open to general examination, has no content.
Most Respectfully,
R

Actually there was a point when the Arabs DID go along with the Zionist and Western Power's plan.
Faisal WAS in charge of negotiating for the Arabs, and by-and-large got them a larger Range that they actually inhabited. (Screwing Kurds among others)

Arabs did NOT decide by Plebiscite!
They were tribal societies/Emirates/etc.
It's really rather Comical to suggest that standard for 'Palestine' alone.
(ei, the land could have become part of Syria too)
The other 99% of the Ottoman lands the Arabs got also had NO Votes.
Cry-Baby Clowns.

The main purpose of the Mandate was to create a national homeland for the Jews in Palestine.
In fact, the promise to the Jews was for All of what is now Israel and Palestine.
Faisal, who got the Arabs all the rest, including 'Iraq' and 'Jordan', the latter 77% of the Mandate, had himself agreed to that fact in 1919:

That's right, the 1919 agreement BETWEEN the Arab state and Palestine/The JEWISH one.
This agreement was never carried out.
But posted to show State of Mind of the Time.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...aisaltext.html

Faisal-Weizman Agreement - 1919

His Royal Highness the Emir FAISAL, representing and acting on behalf of the Arab Kingdom of HEJAZ, AND Dr. Chaim Weizmann, representing and acting on behalf of the Zionist Organization, mindful of the racial kinship and ancient bonds existing between the Arabs and the Jewish people, and realising that the surest means of working out the consummation of their national aspirations, is through the closest possible collaboration in the development of the Arab State and Palestine, and being desirous further of confirming the good understanding which exists between them, have agreed upon the following articles:

Article I
The Arab State and Palestine in all their relations and undertakings shall be controlled by the most cordial goodwill and understanding and to this end Arab and Jewish duly accredited agents shall be established and maintained in their respective territories.

Article II
Immediately following the completion of deliberations of the Peace Conference, the definite boundaries BETWEEN the Arab State and Palestine shall be determined by a commission to be agreed upon by the parties hereto.

Article III
In the establishment of the Constitution and Administration of Palestine all such measures shall be adopted as will afford the fullest guarantees for carrying into effect the British Government’s Declaration of the 2nd of November, 1917 (Balfour Declaration-SEH).

Article IV
All necessary measures will be taken to encourage and stimulate immigration of Jews into Palestine on a large scale, and as quickly as possible to settle Jewish immigrants upon the land through closer settlement and intensive cultivation of the soil. In taking such measures the Arab peasants and tenant farmers shall be protected in their rights, and shall be assisted in forwarding their economic development.
[.......]​

But it was the Arabs who benefited from British gratefulness/Spoils between the Wars, not the Jews. Brits restricted immigration of Jew into Palestine among other measures.

Palestine, the 23% left after the local Arabs got 'Jordan'/Bulk of the Mandate, was instead divided near in HALF yet again, with both peoples being offered a state: arguably Another state for the Arabs.
Jews accepted, Palestinians didn't despite knowing well for at least 30 Years (Balfour 1917) the Jews were getting one.
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[abu afak]

Originally posted by irosie91
Herzl pushed the idea of POLITICAL ZIONISM----(ie unrelated to religion) in the late 19th century----which opened the movement to secularists----HOWEVER ...at that point the Zionist project which resulted in the state of Israel in 1948 was already in FULL SWING----Tel aviv already existed as did RISHON L'tZION-----REAL CITIES IN the land of Israel (ERETZ YISRAEL)

Rishon LeZion - founded in 1882 by Russian Jews fleeing anti-jewish pogroms in Eastern Europe (political not religious reasons) and financed by Edmond de Rothschild, the founder of PICA (Palestine Jewish Colonization Association).

Rothschild is almost a synonym with political zionism.

Tel Aviv - founded in 1909, a city whose name was the subject of a heated debate among zionists, with many Jews wanting to name it "Herzliya" and then finally settling for a compromise solution: Tel Aviv, the title in Hebrew of one of Theodor Herzl's books.

You really should choose your examples more carefully, rosie, because Rishon and Tel Aviv are two historical testaments to the fact that political zionism (the colonization of Palestine) did start around 1880 and not in the early 1800's.

1909?


CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Jerusalem (After 1291)

"...5. Present condition of the City: (1907 edition)

Jerusalem (El Quds) is the capital of a sanjak and the seat of a mutasarrif directly dependent on the Sublime Porte. In the administration of the sanjak the mutasarrif is assisted by a council called majlis ida ra; the city has a municipal government (majlis baladiye) presided over by a mayor. The total population is estimated at 66,000. The Turkish census of 1905, which counts only Ottoman subjects, gives these figures:
Jews, 45,000; Moslems, 8,000; Orthodox Christians, 6000; Latins, 2500; Armenians, 950; Protestants, 800; Melkites, 250; Copts, 150; Abyssinians, 100; Jacobites, 100; Catholic Syrians, 50. During the Nineteenth century large suburbs to the north and east have grown up, chiefly for the use of the Jewish colony. These suburbs contain nearly Half the present population...""

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Growth of Jerusalem 1838-Present

....... Jews Muslims Christians Total
1838 6,000 5,000 3,000 14,000
1844 7,120 5,760 3,390 16,270 ..... ...The First Official Ottoman Census (mbig/abu afak)
1876 12,000 7,560 5,470 25,030 .... .....Second """"""""""
1905 40,000 8,000 10,900 58,900 ....... Third/last, detailed in CathEncyc above
1948 99,320 36,680 31,300 167,300
1990 353,200 124,200 14,000 491,400
1992 385,000 150,000 15,000 550,000

http://www.testimony-magazine.org/jerusalem/bring.htm

Link expired but the Ottoman Census figures, which form it's backbone, and I noted were from the Ottoman counts, are not in dispute.
The later numbers widely available.
The first line/1838 probably approximated using regression analysis.
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[The Great Goose]

Tilly

Why did you laugh at my comment? You can always explain how the hordes of the middle east will be held back by Israel's superior technology if they(Israel) have no global backing?

I'm speculating and I think I get your drift, but instead of being silly you could venture into the discussion.

 

[José]

Originally posted by irosie91
At to TEL AVIV-----it was settled OWNED land---by jews ----long before it got its NAME.

irosie, can't you post a single message without distorting the history of the region?

In 1880 Zionist organizations started buying land around Jaffa... tiny new neighborhoods were erected...

The terrain upon which Tel Aviv was founded in 1909 was bought a couple of years earlier in 1906... There was nothing built on this terrain just north of Jaffa... it was not part of any other jewish settlement built before by the Zionists as you can see by this photograph of the founding of the city:

As Tel Aviv grew larger and larger it began to absorb the neighboring tiny jewish settlements and neighborhoods that had also been built around Jaffa from 1880 on.

Eventually the greater Tel Aviv "swallowed" the whole arab city of Jaffa itself that ironically became a part of its former neighborhood\satellite village.

This is the real history of the city of Tel Aviv... but just for the sake of debate let's assume the fable you created is true:

Tel Aviv's starting point was the other plots of land surrounding Jaffa bought by zionist organizations from 1880 on.

The only thing you managed to accomplish with your brutal rape of the history of Tel Aviv is to move the city's founding date from 1909 to 1880, a date that happens to coincide with the beginning of the zionist movement!!!!

No matter how much you try to distort the history of the zionist movement, irosie, you cannot escape the fact that the creation of the modern state of Israel started in the late 19th century.

 

[José]

In this debate irosie should be defending the idea that the zionist movement started in the early 1800's and I should be arguing that it started in the 1880's.

But ironically the person who presented the most compelling argument that it really started in the 1880's full of examples of new zionist villages, towns and cities was irosie herself who in theory should be arguing against it:

Originally posted by irosie91
PETAH TIKVAH -----made in 1878

Originally posted by irosie91
TEL AVIV-----it was settled OWNED land---by jews -

The plots of land around Jaffa bought by zionist organizations in 1880 that irosie erroneously identify as the beggining of Tel Aviv.

Originally posted by irosie91
Rishon L'Tzion had a population of Russian jews in 1880 when it was founded

and finally

THE REAL TEL AVIV - founded in 1909

Originally posted by irosie91
In any case the UPTICK in land purchase in Palestine by jews happened from the beginning of the 1800s and continued thruout that century

Irosie's own examples made it clear that the uptick happened in the 1880's and not at the beginning of the century.

When someone else destroys the idea you're defending in a debate you have no reason to be ashamed.

What is really embarrassing is when your own arguments and examples crush completely the case you're making.

 

[irosie91]

Originally posted by irosie91
At to TEL AVIV-----it was settled OWNED land---by jews ----long before it got its NAME.

irosie, can't you post a single message without distorting the history of the region?

In 1880 Zionist organizations started buying land around Jaffa... tiny new neighborhoods were erected...

The terrain upon which Tel Aviv was founded in 1909 was bought a couple of years earlier in 1906... There was nothing built on this terrain just north of Jaffa... it was not part of any other jewish settlement built before by the Zionists as you can see by this photograph of the founding of the city:

As Tel Aviv grew larger and larger it began to absorb the neighboring tiny jewish settlements and neighborhoods that had also been built around Jaffa from 1880 on.

Eventually the greater Tel Aviv "swallowed" the whole arab city of Jaffa itself that ironically became a part of its former neighborhood\satellite village.

This is the real history of the city of Tel Aviv... but just for the sake of debate let's assume the fable you created is true:

Tel Aviv's starting point was the other plots of land surrounding Jaffa bought by zionist organizations from 1880 on.

The only thing you managed to accomplish with your brutal rape of the history of Tel Aviv is to move the city's founding date from 1909 to 1880, a date that happens to coincide with the beginning of the zionist movement!!!!

No matter how much you try to distort the history of the zionist movement, irosie, you cannot escape the fact that the creation of the modern state of Israel started in the late 19th century.

you are way off----jose----my statement that the city of Tel Aviv began its development in the 1800s was absolutely correct as
you have just recounted it. The history of Jaffa ---which as you correctly state-----sorta got taken up by Tel Aviv---lately---is very long and complex-----It is a port city and was part of the Kingdom of Israel way back ----to the bible ---that's thousands of years ago-----it was -----fairly lately in history ---invaded by arabs----it was used as a cusaders fortress----something like 1000 years ago etc etc------I do not know why you want to
call it an 'arab' city------probably because for a short time in history it had a "arab" majority---ie the majority of people living there spoke Arabic -----the language born in the land of arabia.
It is a city of lots of different people in the course of history.
Do you want your own choice of TIME WINDOW? ----good---
at one time Baghdad was a Zoroastrian/jewish city. I grew up in the USA -----in a section of land that at one time was
LENI LENAPE

 

[irosie91]

In this debate irosie should be defending the idea that the zionist movement started in the early 1800's and I should be arguing that it started in the 1880's.

But ironically the person who presented the most compelling argument that it really started in the 1880's full of examples of new zionist villages, towns and cities was irosie herself who in theory should be arguing against it:

Originally posted by irosie91
PETAH TIKVAH -----made in 1878

Originally posted by irosie91
TEL AVIV-----it was settled OWNED land---by jews -

The plots of land around Jaffa bought by zionist organizations in 1880 that irosie erroneously identify as the beggining of Tel Aviv.

Originally posted by irosie91
Rishon L'Tzion had a population of Russian jews in 1880 when it was founded

and finally

THE REAL TEL AVIV - founded in 1909

Originally posted by irosie91
In any case the UPTICK in land purchase in Palestine by jews happened from the beginning of the 1800s and continued thruout that century

Irosie's own examples made it clear that the uptick happened in the 1880's and not at the beginning of the century.

When someone else destroys the idea you're defending in a debate you have no reason to be ashamed.

What is really embarrassing is when your own arguments and examples crush completely the case you're making.

yes---UP TICK means that the purchase of land from the OTTOMAN EMPIRE by jews accelerated in the 1880s----it started in the 1800s. It is not clear to me what "idea" you
imagine I am defending in your depraved mind----so far my
statements of fact have been entirely factual I am not even sure to what "case" you refer. Do you want to discuss the reasons why the ottomans decided to breach the oppressive and disgusting shariah rules that rendered jews homeless for so many centuries----not only in Palestine but in lots of the lands of North Africa. It is an interesting story of DEPRAVED IMPERIALISM. ----the crap you so love

 

[rhodescholar]

Missiles Everywhere
The Weekly Standard (blog)-Jun 9, 2016
Hezbollah has a nasty collection of more than 130,000 rockets, missiles, ... terrorist organization based in Lebanon and a puppet of the Iranian regime. ... "But suppose Hezbollah launches an advanced missile like the M-600 ...

During the next war to destroy the hez filth, large-scale, major strikes against iran are an absolute must, no two ways about it.

What is surprising is that the animal filth hez/iran haven't attacked Israel during obama the awful's presidency, as there is no question he would expend no small effort trying to restrain Israel from fully crushing both pieces of shit, but a new president could be far more sympathetic to Israel and give them a much freer hand to pulverize iran/hez.

I PRAY every day for the death of the iranian regime and all of its supporters and apologists, whether they be in lebanon, gaza, on the internet - or anywhere else.

 

[irosie91]

Missiles Everywhere
The Weekly Standard (blog)-Jun 9, 2016
Hezbollah has a nasty collection of more than 130,000 rockets, missiles, ... terrorist organization based in Lebanon and a puppet of the Iranian regime. ... "But suppose Hezbollah launches an advanced missile like the M-600 ...

During the next war to destroy the hez filth, large-scale, major strikes against iran are an absolute must, no two ways about it.

What is surprising is that the animal filth hez/iran haven't attacked Israel during obama the awful's presidency, as there is no question he would expend no small effort trying to restrain Israel from fully crushing both pieces of shit, but a new president could be far more sympathetic to Israel and give them a much freer hand to pulverize iran/hez.

I PRAY every day for the death of the iranian regime and all of its supporters and apologists, whether they be in lebanon, gaza, on the internet - or anywhere else.

A big problem of HUMAN UNDERSTANDING is the fact
that lots of people do not know Hezbollah for what it is----
so I will reiterate for the benefit of my fellow humanoids.
>>>>HEZBOLLAH IS IRAN---HEZBOLLAH IS FUNCTIONS
AS THE WILL OF THE AYATOILETS ----everything and any-
thing done or even said by an HEZBOLLIAN ---anywhere in
the world comes out of the filth of the AYATOILETS. ----
thousands of missiles specifically designed to blow the
brains out of children-----are ready to be defecated from
the stinking asses of the AYATOILETS

 

[fanger]

think about your response a bit-----newton-----it is idiotic

What is wrong with you?

nothing---just a bit impatient with those who see
DA BOMB as the only 'real' danger in the world.

You have to connect the dots. The reason NO ONE will attack Israel like that is because they can never win. Ever. It would be self-destruction. It is known as MADD. Mutually Assured Self Destruction. The US and Soviet Union played this game for 45 years.

right ---it is an issue----but not BY FAR-----the only issue or ever the MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE. Despite DA BOMB---the deadly hostilities will continue and Hezbollah will be drawing LOTS OF BLOOD

The OP states 'wipe off the map'. That isn't going to happen.

the regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time