Will Xi Drop Putin Like a Steaming Poo Poo Platter?

[FA_Q2]

So...

Has China dropped Russia yet?

 

[justoffal]

Mr. Xi might see it as US aggression? So forget Ukraine, that little country is just a pawn in the big game.

The point that's not being suggested here is that this could become a war between America and Russia/China with lots of little pawns becoming involved on both sides.

What could we expect that Xi/China is thinking?

Right now all of China's positions, moves and plans are focused on one thing only. Taiwan. Taiwan will absolutely be reabsorped into the CCP construct. The game has been afoot for a decade and the west had been asleep for at least that long.

 

[Donald H]

Right now all of China's positions, moves and plans are focused on one thing only. Taiwan. Taiwan will absolutely be reabsorped into the CCP construct. The game has been afoot for a decade and the west had been asleep for at least that long.

I think China has been pariently waiting for Taiwan to join back with China peacefully. The only threats concerning Taiwan have been US threats and interference in Taiwan.

Basically the same pattern holds true as has happened in the Ukraine.

America is on a path to eliminate all global competition to it's power to have control over the entire world.

China is now being pushed ahead of it's slow and peaceful agenda, and could deem it necessary to move on Taiwan ahead of it's schedule of peaceful cooperation.

This is the way the world works my friend.

And now America appears to be challenging the MAD concept.

 

[justoffal]

I think China has been pariently waiting for Taiwan to join back with China peacefully. The only threats concerning Taiwan have been US threats and interference in Taiwan.

Basically the same pattern holds true as has happened in the Ukraine.

America is on a path to eliminate all global competition to it's power to have control over the entire world.

China is now being pushed ahead of it's slow and peaceful agenda, and could deem it necessary to move on Taiwan ahead of it's schedule of peaceful cooperation.

This is the way the world works my friend.

And now America appears to be challenging the MAD concept.

Yes

 

[Donald H]

Yes

Thanks! Makes a lot of sense doesn't it.
And furthermore, as China rises it extends the threat against US hegemony through offering benefits to all countries on peaceful cooperation.

That's China's biggest threat to America.

Time to step up the Uighur demonizing of China before too many small countries get hooked on peace!

 

[justoffal]

Thanks! Makes a lot of sense doesn't it.
And furthermore, as China rises it extends the threat against US hegemony through offering benefits to all countries on peaceful cooperation.

That's China's biggest threat to America.

Time to step up the Uighur demonizing of China before too many small countries get hooked on peace!

Exactly

 

[Donald H]

So...

Has China dropped Russia yet?

China and Russia depend on each other in the short term as they attempt to break the US hold on world power.
That makes the war in Ukraine between America and Russia so very critical. It represents Russia's last attempt to remain secure as a large and very resource rich country. The prize waiting for America has never been so important and valuable.

Indeed, all of America's previous wars with small countries have always been in the quest for the big prize.

China and Russia understand completely. Why would they not?

World peace and cooperation between the countries of the world is the alternative prize that could come for all mankind.

It's good to dream!

 

[eagle1462010]

I think China has been pariently waiting for Taiwan to join back with China peacefully. The only threats concerning Taiwan have been US threats and interference in Taiwan.

Basically the same pattern holds true as has happened in the Ukraine.

America is on a path to eliminate all global competition to it's power to have control over the entire world.

China is now being pushed ahead of it's slow and peaceful agenda, and could deem it necessary to move on Taiwan ahead of it's schedule of peaceful cooperation.

This is the way the world works my friend.

And now America appears to be challenging the MAD concept.

Guess you just closed your eyes when Chinese jets violated Taiwan airspace .
Huh..

 

[justoffal]

Guess you just closed your eyes when Chinese jets violated Taiwan airspace .
Huh..

No....he did say that China has reached the conclusion that waiting is no longer a successful strategy. I think he's right...they're not going to wait.

Jo

 

[Donald H]

Guess you just closed your eyes when Chinese jets violated Taiwan airspace .
Huh..

Exactly what I would have expected, as a meaningful warning to Taiwan. But it also raises another more interesting question.

If a referendum was permitted by America, would the people of Taiwan choose now to get back under China's protective nuclear wings?

There are many reasons to think they would, but there's little possibility of you being smart enough to discuss the pros and cons.

Before you object about it being up to America for a referendum, I'll tell you that there are many instances of that being forced on other governments as the deciding factor.

If you can remain respctable we may be able to debate some of the questions further. I consider that very unlikely. I just think if better to make the offer on a new day.

 

[eagle1462010]

No....he did say that China has reached the conclusion that waiting is no longer a successful strategy. I think he's right...they're not going to wait.

Jo

Meaning they will take it by force. We made an agreement under Reagan to assist if they try to take it by force, but not if its an agreement that Taiwan is ok with. Not binding but our word.

It is clear Taiwan is not in agreement.

 

[eagle1462010]

Exactly what I would have expected, as a meaningful warning to Taiwan. But it also raises another more interesting question.

If a referendum was permitted by America, would the people of Taiwan choose now to get back under China's protective nuclear wings?

There are many reasons to think they would, but there's little possibility of you being smart enough to discuss the pros and cons.

Before you object about it being up to America for a referendum, I'll tell you that there are many instances of that being forced on other governments as the deciding factor.

If you can remain respctable we may be able to debate some of the questions further. I consider that very unlikely. I just think if better to make the offer on a new day.

The choice is Taiwans to make. So far all ive seen is they want to keep their independence. Meaning China will probably take it by force.

With Biden in office and the money deals made with them, he will do nothing. He may talk tough but it will be an act.

 

[Donald H]

No....he did say that China has reached the conclusion that waiting is no longer a successful strategy. I think he's right...they're not going to wait.

Jo

It's still a question on whether China judges that it's come to the point of it being necessary to stop the progress of the interference. The Ukraine experience could help China decide quicker but I think that China is super sophisticated on making the right decisions.

I would say that China would delay as long as possible as it builds it's capability. That makes sense!

It also make sense that America will be attempting to push the envelope to make it happen sooner.

Maybe the Ukraine is getting in the way right now? That would seem likely IMO.

 

[Donald H]

The choice is Taiwans to make. So far all ive seen is they want to keep their independence. Meaning China will probably take it by force.

With Biden in office and the money deals made with them, he will do nothing. He may talk tough but it will be an act.

I'm not a war tactician but I can see quite a few advantages for China and Russia in opening another front in Taiwan to challenge America on two fronts.

If it's not probable now then it will be more probable when Russia asks China to cause interference in the Ukraine war proceedings with Taiwan, or in many other possible ways.

There are still many variables alive that can hold off nuclear war and MAD.

 

[The Original Tree]

Mr. Putin and Mr. Xi met for the 38th time since Mr. Xi became China’s leader, declaring that the friendship between their countries had “no limits.”​

(The last meeting, Chairman Xi's Winter Olympic Games in Beijing, were conspicuously befouled by the "ROC"'s cheating in women's figure skating - an embarrassing distraction from China's self-promotion.)​

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With the concerted, impactful actions by democratic nations punishing the Rooskie savage for his depravity in Ukraine, the KGB thug is increasingly dependent upon the Middle Kingdom, yet Xi's global designs require that he not blatantly show contempt for democratic values by propping up the repugnant Poot.

Jinping's ambition is ruthless, and as subtle as an enigmatic fortune cookie. Vlady's is ruthless, and as subtle as a ten-megaton borscht fart concealed in a matryoshka doll.

Mr. Putin has forced China into the awkward position of explaining how the invasion does not violate the principle of respect for national sovereignty that is, officially, a pillar of China’s foreign policy.​

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“They must feel like they’ve been played.” (John Culver, a retired CIA China Specialist.)​

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China must also view the punishment being inflicted upon Russia with Taiwan in mind. The paradigm will have been established and rehearsed.

One thing is for certain. You will not see Xi picking up on the aberrant view of Putin as being "savvy" or a "genius."

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You mean will XI and Putin Drop Biden

 

[The Original Tree]

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"Just fill up my Dongfeng, Vladdy. I don't want to get bogged down in Odessa!"​

Picture of your first day at work on your first job?

 

[justoffal]

I'm not a war tactician but I can see quite a few advantages for China and Russia in opening another front in Taiwan to challenge America on two fronts.

If it's not probable now then it will be more probable when Russia asks China to cause interference in the Ukraine war proceedings with Taiwan, or in many other possible ways.

There are still many variables alive that can hold off nuclear war and MAD.

China will simply perform a gradual isolation of Taiwan. It is far too fortified to just invade it and the last thing they want to do is destroy it. This...IMO...is why they have concentrated on anti-naval capabilities. To effectively isolate Taiwan means taking on the US Navy. They are nearly there.

 

[eagle1462010]

I'm not a war tactician but I can see quite a few advantages for China and Russia in opening another front in Taiwan to challenge America on two fronts.

If it's not probable now then it will be more probable when Russia asks China to cause interference in the Ukraine war proceedings with Taiwan, or in many other possible ways.

There are still many variables alive that can hold off nuclear war and MAD.

And I see the advantage to stop them from doing so. Its clear to me you are on their side. It is also clear to me that they want to take America down.

With Biden in there. He will do nothing. Plant Reagan in the pet cemetary, wed go at it with China.

It is clear you want America to fall.

One more thing. China is using Russia for this goal. As soon as their usefullness ends. China will throw Russia under a bus.

 

[Donald H]

China will simply perform a gradual isolation of Taiwan.

That too looks likely.

It is far too fortified to just invade it and the last thing they want to do is destroy it.

Yes, I think you've got it with that. It's exactly in agreement with China's methods.

But it's just that I can't see it being likely that both China and Russia both don't understand that they are going to have to resist and fight against America in concert.

This...IMO...is why they have concentrated on anti-naval capabilities. To effectively isolate Taiwan means taking on the US Navy. They are nearly there.

The level of confrontation by taking on the US Navy can't be over estimated.

The US Navy would simply be destroyed and that results in nuclear war.

Whether we are talking about the Ukraine, Taiwan, N.K., Syria, Israel or any other country in contention, there is no winner in a nuclear war.

So we always need to keep in mind, there's no gain in losing for any super power.

Taiwan may have to be left on the back burner. You've raised some very hard questions to answer!

 

[justoffal]

And I see the advantage to stop them from doing so. Its clear to me you are on their side. It is also clear to me that they want to take America down.

With Biden in there. He will do nothing. Plant Reagan in the pet cemetary, wed go at it with China.

It is clear you want America to fall.

One more thing. China is using Russia for this goal. As soon as their usefullness ends. China will throw Russia under a bus.

Nah...I think you're over patronizing the West. I say that as a lifelong US citizen. The fact that NATO even exists at this point reveals an inherent flaw in an international policy that's supposed to be defensive. Contrary to our fondest wishes the US based war industry is by far most aggressive anti-humanitarian entity on the planet. Its thirst for war knows no limits. Recently the cry of liberation has laughably paraded in the forefront of aggressive military actions that often have little or nothing to do with us directly.