Will the left leaning supreme court come back to the center by voting

[Redfish]

I agree. Marriage Equality is constitutional.

what is constitutional is what is written in the constitution. Not one of you gays has yet shown us the language in the constitution that addresses gay marriage, or marriage of any kind. The constitution is silent on marriage. The intent of the drafters of the constitution is not known to us.

If you want gay marriage to be constitutional, then put forth a constitutional amendment and get it ratified by 38 states. Otherwise this foolish debate will go on for many years.

 

[Ubiquitor]

I agree. Marriage Equality is constitutional.

what is constitutional is what is written in the constitution. Not one of you gays has yet shown us the language in the constitution that addresses gay marriage, or marriage of any kind. The constitution is silent on marriage. The intent of the drafters of the constitution is not known to us.

If you want gay marriage to be constitutional, then put forth a constitutional amendment and get it ratified by 38 states. Otherwise this foolish debate will go on for many years.

The Constitution is also silent about an Air Force and yet we have one. How? Via rightful interpretation of the document. My state has over 1k law related to marriage. A homosexual couple does not get protection from any of them despite equal protection under law being a Constitutionally guaranteed right.

 

[martybegan]

I agree. Marriage Equality is constitutional.

what is constitutional is what is written in the constitution. Not one of you gays has yet shown us the language in the constitution that addresses gay marriage, or marriage of any kind. The constitution is silent on marriage. The intent of the drafters of the constitution is not known to us.

If you want gay marriage to be constitutional, then put forth a constitutional amendment and get it ratified by 38 states. Otherwise this foolish debate will go on for many years.

The Constitution is also silent about an Air Force and yet we have one. How? Via rightful interpretation of the document. My state has over 1k law related to marriage. A homosexual couple does not get protection from any of them despite equal protection under law being a Constitutionally guaranteed right.

it isn't silent about an army or a Navy, and an Air Force is merely an extension of both of these types of military services.

It doesn't mention a marine force either, and yet we have that.

 

[Ubiquitor]

I agree. Marriage Equality is constitutional.

what is constitutional is what is written in the constitution. Not one of you gays has yet shown us the language in the constitution that addresses gay marriage, or marriage of any kind. The constitution is silent on marriage. The intent of the drafters of the constitution is not known to us.

If you want gay marriage to be constitutional, then put forth a constitutional amendment and get it ratified by 38 states. Otherwise this foolish debate will go on for many years.

The Constitution is also silent about an Air Force and yet we have one. How? Via rightful interpretation of the document. My state has over 1k law related to marriage. A homosexual couple does not get protection from any of them despite equal protection under law being a Constitutionally guaranteed right.

it isn't silent about an army or a Navy, and an Air Force is merely an extension of both of these types of military services.

It doesn't mention a marine force either, and yet we have that.

Exactly!

 

[martybegan]

I agree. Marriage Equality is constitutional.

what is constitutional is what is written in the constitution. Not one of you gays has yet shown us the language in the constitution that addresses gay marriage, or marriage of any kind. The constitution is silent on marriage. The intent of the drafters of the constitution is not known to us.

If you want gay marriage to be constitutional, then put forth a constitutional amendment and get it ratified by 38 states. Otherwise this foolish debate will go on for many years.

The Constitution is also silent about an Air Force and yet we have one. How? Via rightful interpretation of the document. My state has over 1k law related to marriage. A homosexual couple does not get protection from any of them despite equal protection under law being a Constitutionally guaranteed right.

it isn't silent about an army or a Navy, and an Air Force is merely an extension of both of these types of military services.

It doesn't mention a marine force either, and yet we have that.

Exactly!

The difference is marriage contracts as a whole are never mentioned in the Constitution, Not once. Thus by the constitution the setup of the contract falls to the States, in particular the State legislatures, or the State's own constitution.

 

[Ubiquitor]

I agree. Marriage Equality is constitutional.

what is constitutional is what is written in the constitution. Not one of you gays has yet shown us the language in the constitution that addresses gay marriage, or marriage of any kind. The constitution is silent on marriage. The intent of the drafters of the constitution is not known to us.

If you want gay marriage to be constitutional, then put forth a constitutional amendment and get it ratified by 38 states. Otherwise this foolish debate will go on for many years.

The Constitution is also silent about an Air Force and yet we have one. How? Via rightful interpretation of the document. My state has over 1k law related to marriage. A homosexual couple does not get protection from any of them despite equal protection under law being a Constitutionally guaranteed right.

it isn't silent about an army or a Navy, and an Air Force is merely an extension of both of these types of military services.

It doesn't mention a marine force either, and yet we have that.

Exactly!

The difference is marriage contracts as a whole are never mentioned in the Constitution, Not once. Thus by the constitution the setup of the contract falls to the States, in particular the State legislatures, or the State's own constitution.

The problem is we have tied laws to the contract and our federal Constitution guarantees us equal protection under the law. We could eliminate all these laws and leave it as a religious ceremony, but until then the proper interpretation is that gay marriage should be legal in all states.

 

[thanatos144]

Show me the law liar

They have been accepted on the SCOTUS docket. Look them up yourself, boy.

That isnt a law banning them from ******* other consenting adults. Man up or shut the **** up

We're talking about marriage, ya dumb ****.

First there is nolaw banning marrige just the legality of government recognizing it. Second dummy you didnt say marrige you specifically said sleep with

No dumb ass, the issue is the few states that passed laws banning gay marriage.
No, I didn't say "sleep with" ya liar.

No one has banned homosexuals from marrying liar

 

[thanatos144]

Marriage equality is the center position.
A majority favor it

The Equal Protection doctrine of the 14th Amendment will require SCOTUS to extend that right to ALL Americans no matter what state they live in.

So the below will also now be legal in all 50 states as well?

"A New York Magazine interview revealed an 18-year-old woman's plans to marry her long lost father. Next on their to-do list is to move to New Jersey, where incest between adults happens to be legal."

Report Woman Plans To Marry Her Long Lost Father Move To NJ - FOX 29 News Philadelphia WTXF-TV

The two are not related.

But do you believe that government is too big and too intrusive?
So do you believe government should step in and prevent the situation you posted about?

How do you reconcile those two beliefs?

How is it not related? It's legal in NJ, it must be extended to all Americans no matter what state they live in.

"The Equal Protection doctrine of the 14th Amendment will require SCOTUS to extend that right to ALL Americans no matter what state they live in."

For those saying marriage is between two consenting adults, rather than between an adult man and woman, then anything goes because the definition of marriage is now changed, so yes a daughter and father can now marry. So can a brother and sister, or sister and sister. Of course the government is too big and intrusive. How are they going to prevent a daughter and father from marrying if SCOTUS deems ssm as 'the norm'?

If rape is legal in Maryland should all the USA be forced to male it so?

Well, that's the second most retarded thing I've read here at the usmb. (forced to male it so ... bit of slip there eh?)

Why can't two consenting adults marry each other just because they are related?

The retard is you since you dont comprahend simple English statements. Oh and gramer policing never proves anything other then you have nothing valid to say.

 

[martybegan]

what is constitutional is what is written in the constitution. Not one of you gays has yet shown us the language in the constitution that addresses gay marriage, or marriage of any kind. The constitution is silent on marriage. The intent of the drafters of the constitution is not known to us.

If you want gay marriage to be constitutional, then put forth a constitutional amendment and get it ratified by 38 states. Otherwise this foolish debate will go on for many years.

The Constitution is also silent about an Air Force and yet we have one. How? Via rightful interpretation of the document. My state has over 1k law related to marriage. A homosexual couple does not get protection from any of them despite equal protection under law being a Constitutionally guaranteed right.

it isn't silent about an army or a Navy, and an Air Force is merely an extension of both of these types of military services.

It doesn't mention a marine force either, and yet we have that.

Exactly!

The difference is marriage contracts as a whole are never mentioned in the Constitution, Not once. Thus by the constitution the setup of the contract falls to the States, in particular the State legislatures, or the State's own constitution.

The problem is we have tied laws to the contract and our federal Constitution guarantees us equal protection under the law. We could eliminate all these laws and leave it as a religious ceremony, but until then the proper interpretation is that gay marriage should be legal in all states.

By that logic you can't deny marriage to anyone, be it by age, blood ties, or number of people. Equal protection only applies to equal situations. Marriages between men and women are equal regardless of race, because race is not a factor in a marriage biologically.

IF people in a State want to extend the marriage contract to same sex couples or polygamous groups, I have no issue. My issue is with using courts to force it on them using the concept that constitutionally same sex= opposite sex.

 

[thanatos144]

Marriage equality is the center position.
A majority favor it

The Equal Protection doctrine of the 14th Amendment will require SCOTUS to extend that right to ALL Americans no matter what state they live in.

So the below will also now be legal in all 50 states as well?

"A New York Magazine interview revealed an 18-year-old woman's plans to marry her long lost father. Next on their to-do list is to move to New Jersey, where incest between adults happens to be legal."

Report Woman Plans To Marry Her Long Lost Father Move To NJ - FOX 29 News Philadelphia WTXF-TV

The two are not related.

But do you believe that government is too big and too intrusive?
So do you believe government should step in and prevent the situation you posted about?

How do you reconcile those two beliefs?

How is it not related? It's legal in NJ, it must be extended to all Americans no matter what state they live in.

"The Equal Protection doctrine of the 14th Amendment will require SCOTUS to extend that right to ALL Americans no matter what state they live in."

For those saying marriage is between two consenting adults, rather than between an adult man and woman, then anything goes because the definition of marriage is now changed, so yes a daughter and father can now marry. So can a brother and sister, or sister and sister. Of course the government is too big and intrusive. How are they going to prevent a daughter and father from marrying if SCOTUS deems ssm as 'the norm'?

If rape is legal in Maryland should all the USA be forced to male it so?

Interesting that you think rape can be in anyway equivalent to legalizing gay marriage. Shows a bit about about your moral code there.

I think your hyperbole is hilarious.

 

[WorldWatcher]

it isn't silent about an army or a Navy, and an Air Force is merely an extension of both of these types of military services.

It doesn't mention a marine force either, and yet we have that.

The Marine Corps falls under the Department of the Navy.


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[thanatos144]

So why the bullshit facism then?

[Interesting, you don't admit you were wrong - just deflect.]


The court finding unconstitutional laws are - well - unconstitutional isn't fascism.

Actually removing authoritarian controls is the opposite of fascism. Instead of the government deciding who you can Civilly Marry, the decision is left to the individual s in the couple.


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I am not wrong. You showed one place where a vote passed in the face of many that failed. You are deflecting not I

Um...extending rights isn't fascism. I don't think fascism means what you think it means.

That's not the job of the courts dummy

 

[martybegan]

it isn't silent about an army or a Navy, and an Air Force is merely an extension of both of these types of military services.

It doesn't mention a marine force either, and yet we have that.

The Marine Corps falls under the Department of the Navy.


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Yes, I know that. It still isn't mentioned in the Constitution, and yet we have one.

 

[thanatos144]

Thanatos has no idea what is fascism.

Fakie please go **** off. Not only do i know what it is you lyig piece of trash i have posted several times where it came from and why it is a progressive tool like you.

 

[bodecea]

I agree. Marriage Equality is constitutional.

what is constitutional is what is written in the constitution. Not one of you gays has yet shown us the language in the constitution that addresses gay marriage, or marriage of any kind. The constitution is silent on marriage. The intent of the drafters of the constitution is not known to us.

If you want gay marriage to be constitutional, then put forth a constitutional amendment and get it ratified by 38 states. Otherwise this foolish debate will go on for many years.

So...the FAA is not constitutional? The Interstate Highway system isn't constitutional? Institutes of Higher Education are not constitutional? The right to procreate is not constitutional?

 

[bodecea]

Thanatos has no idea what is fascism.

Fakie please go **** off. Not only do i know what it is you lyig piece of trash i have posted several times where it came from and why it is a progressive tool like you.

I agree that you do not seem to know what Fascism is.....extreme right wing nationalism/militarism.

 

[Redfish]

I agree. Marriage Equality is constitutional.

what is constitutional is what is written in the constitution. Not one of you gays has yet shown us the language in the constitution that addresses gay marriage, or marriage of any kind. The constitution is silent on marriage. The intent of the drafters of the constitution is not known to us.

If you want gay marriage to be constitutional, then put forth a constitutional amendment and get it ratified by 38 states. Otherwise this foolish debate will go on for many years.

The Constitution is also silent about an Air Force and yet we have one. How? Via rightful interpretation of the document. My state has over 1k law related to marriage. A homosexual couple does not get protection from any of them despite equal protection under law being a Constitutionally guaranteed right.

please quote where is says anything about gay mariage, marriage of any kind, or homosexual rights. It is silent on all of those things,---------------soooooooooo, they fall to the states and the voters of each state. Except in cases like prop 8 in Cal where the court ignored the will of the people twice.

 

[Redfish]

I agree. Marriage Equality is constitutional.

what is constitutional is what is written in the constitution. Not one of you gays has yet shown us the language in the constitution that addresses gay marriage, or marriage of any kind. The constitution is silent on marriage. The intent of the drafters of the constitution is not known to us.

If you want gay marriage to be constitutional, then put forth a constitutional amendment and get it ratified by 38 states. Otherwise this foolish debate will go on for many years.

So...the FAA is not constitutional? The Interstate Highway system isn't constitutional? Institutes of Higher Education are not constitutional? The right to procreate is not constitutional?

you are correct, those things are not constitutional. They are legal since they were created by the legislature, but the constitution is silent on them.

 

[Ubiquitor]

The Constitution is also silent about an Air Force and yet we have one. How? Via rightful interpretation of the document. My state has over 1k law related to marriage. A homosexual couple does not get protection from any of them despite equal protection under law being a Constitutionally guaranteed right.

it isn't silent about an army or a Navy, and an Air Force is merely an extension of both of these types of military services.

It doesn't mention a marine force either, and yet we have that.

Exactly!

The difference is marriage contracts as a whole are never mentioned in the Constitution, Not once. Thus by the constitution the setup of the contract falls to the States, in particular the State legislatures, or the State's own constitution.

The problem is we have tied laws to the contract and our federal Constitution guarantees us equal protection under the law. We could eliminate all these laws and leave it as a religious ceremony, but until then the proper interpretation is that gay marriage should be legal in all states.

By that logic you can't deny marriage to anyone, be it by age, blood ties, or number of people. Equal protection only applies to equal situations. Marriages between men and women are equal regardless of race, because race is not a factor in a marriage biologically.

IF people in a State want to extend the marriage contract to same sex couples or polygamous groups, I have no issue. My issue is with using courts to force it on them using the concept that constitutionally same sex= opposite sex.

The slippery slope fallacy rears its ugly head. Minors are not allowed to enter into contracts. There is no stipulation for "equal situations." Otherwise, one could say that poor people can't get married and only wealthy can. Blacks can't get married and only whites can. Equal protection applies to everyone. Arbitrary distinctions to declare inequality of the situation have no place in law.

The courts are there to interpret law and the Constitution. That's their job. Your issue is really in the system the founders set up. I'm personally agree with Rand Paul on this. When governments “do wrong we should overturn them,” Paul said. “There is a role for the Supreme Court to mete out justice.”

 

[WorldWatcher]

it isn't silent about an army or a Navy, and an Air Force is merely an extension of both of these types of military services.

It doesn't mention a marine force either, and yet we have that.

The Marine Corps falls under the Department of the Navy.


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Yes, I know that. It still isn't mentioned in the Constitution, and yet we have one.

Because the Marines have always been a function of the Navy. They have been a part of the Navy since the Revolution and are stationed in part on ships to this day as part of fire support, aviation, and landing forces.



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