Will Rump Palestine become a UN protectorate?

[Kondor3]

Hey, Rocco, by Jove, I think I've got it... you're dealing with a parrot ! It keeps caw-ing and and repeating the same thing, over and over.

 

[bendog]

Eliminate Hamas? So what, you think the Palestinians will just go away? In all probability an ISIS style group will take their place which will be far more dangerous and will not provide the social services that Hamas provides to the people.

Eliminate terror, maybe than negotiate.
And you know the saying, the eternal people are not afraid of a long journey.

Israel will not negotiate unless they see a threat. Israel will continue the occupation, continue stealing land and continue to oppress the Palestinians as long as they remain submissive. That's how it has always been.

Israel isn't going to negotiate in any event. Even assuming a supermaj of Pales would welcome a Protectorate in the WB, they'd still have an active Hamas element, which would target the UN troops as well.

As for Gaza ..... there's no one to negotiate on either side. But Israel's tried time and again for a military solution, and failed every time. Demilitarization and sanctioning nations that supply arms is the only solution. But, good luck in getting ME support for stopping Iran's arming Hamas now.

 

[aris2chat]

[MENTION=47237]montelatici[/MENTION], et al,

I don't see this as a valid human interest story. I see this as a staged background to elicit sympathy for a terrorist supporting population; a community that went to extraordinary lengths to build an infrastructure of cross-border tunnels in which to invade Israel for nefarious purposes. I see it as a means of infecting the media stream with heartwarming story clips for a people that support violence against Israel.

I don't see this as representative of the true nature of the conflict.

Being flippant about the death of someone's father I see. Would you be as flippant if it were a Jew talking about his father's death at the hands of Palestinians?

(COMMENT)

This is part and parcel of the cry-baby approach the Hostile Arab Palestinians generally take when they push, prod, and jab Israel to the point that they have no choice but to respond. Then, when the conflict erupts, they are not able to accept the consequences of their actions, and run to the media with these tear-jerking little Exposés in order to discredit the Israeli response.

There were no ground forces in Gaza prior to the incursion. The ground forces came in response to HAMAS Terrorist wings firing rockets into Israel. HAMAS must take the responsibility for the consequences - an outcome of their action; sanctioned and lent tacit approval by the Palestinians and subsequently endorsed.

In a perfect world, where everything is according to Hoyle, there would be no casualties on the civilian population not engaged in the conflict. Those "persons taking no active part in the hostilities," would have moved away from the battle ground; and let the combat outcome present its solution. But they didn't do that. And of course, casualties are a result.

You can mourn for your dead; but, learn from their experience. Don't cry about those who are about to die; you can't help them. But heed the warnings that come and get out of the way; it can save your life. You walk on the battlefield at your own peril. The people of Gaza that openly choose to invoke conflict must understand that to do so has consequences.

Let me say that again: (I SAY AGAIN!) "The people of Gaza that openly choose to invoke conflict must understand that to do so has consequences." (OVER)​

And the despicable practice of populating the battle-scape with non-combatants in order to retard the advance of Israeli Forces that the Hostile Arab Palestinian have invited through hostile action (constant rocket and mortar fire) --- will not save them. Oh, the IDF will attempt to minimize civilian casualties and death (leaflets, phone calls, ICRC Notices, etc), but in the end, their objective is to seek-out and destroy the combat potential for HAMAS to inflict harm on the sovereign people of Israel. To get in between the IDF and their objective is to invite casualties. It is a passive attempt to use the Geneva Convention protection as a military defense posture. The Geneva Convention protections were not extended for the purpose of providing the opportunity for HAMAS to form "Human Shields" (Post #112 [MENTION=2873]Billo_Really[/MENTION] Israel Gaza and civilian deaths). The pie-charts of [MENTION=2873]Billo_Really[/MENTION] (Post #1 - Just who are the terrorists) is not so much about who are the terrorists; but about who did not learn the lessons of war in the practical sense; those who purposely made a decision not to get out of the way.

No one should weep for the People of Gaza. They did it to themselves, and the instrument they used was (oddly enough) the IDF. In any suicide, it is not the gun that kills you, it is the self that pulls the trigger. The People of Gaza pulled the trigger. That is what killed this "grandfather" out buying candy.

Just My Thought,
R

Yours is the thought of a racist. You sound like the supporters of Apartheid.

"“When the ANC says that they will target British companies, this shows what a typical terrorist organization it is. I fought terrorism all my life and if more people fought it, and we were all more successful, we should not have it and I hope that everyone in this hall will think it is right to go on fighting terrorism. They will if they believe in democracy.”


Margaret Thatcher

"As late as 1988 the administration condemned Nelson Mandela’s African National Congress as one of the world’s ‘more notorious terrorist groups.’”

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/07/opinion/a-lesson-before-dying.html?_r=0

Oh brother! Now he wants to play thought police. Guilty for our unspoken words. The first time I read a few of the posts I have some very unkind and derogatory words cross my mind about the poster and the post, but I don't say them.
Monty wants us to be guilty without saying a word. He is playing mind reader.

 

[irosie91]

[MENTION=47237]montelatici[/MENTION], et al,

I don't see this as a valid human interest story. I see this as a staged background to elicit sympathy for a terrorist supporting population; a community that went to extraordinary lengths to build an infrastructure of cross-border tunnels in which to invade Israel for nefarious purposes. I see it as a means of infecting the media stream with heartwarming story clips for a people that support violence against Israel.

I don't see this as representative of the true nature of the conflict.


(COMMENT)

This is part and parcel of the cry-baby approach the Hostile Arab Palestinians generally take when they push, prod, and jab Israel to the point that they have no choice but to respond. Then, when the conflict erupts, they are not able to accept the consequences of their actions, and run to the media with these tear-jerking little Exposés in order to discredit the Israeli response.

There were no ground forces in Gaza prior to the incursion. The ground forces came in response to HAMAS Terrorist wings firing rockets into Israel. HAMAS must take the responsibility for the consequences - an outcome of their action; sanctioned and lent tacit approval by the Palestinians and subsequently endorsed.

In a perfect world, where everything is according to Hoyle, there would be no casualties on the civilian population not engaged in the conflict. Those "persons taking no active part in the hostilities," would have moved away from the battle ground; and let the combat outcome present its solution. But they didn't do that. And of course, casualties are a result.

You can mourn for your dead; but, learn from their experience. Don't cry about those who are about to die; you can't help them. But heed the warnings that come and get out of the way; it can save your life. You walk on the battlefield at your own peril. The people of Gaza that openly choose to invoke conflict must understand that to do so has consequences.

Let me say that again: (I SAY AGAIN!) "The people of Gaza that openly choose to invoke conflict must understand that to do so has consequences." (OVER)​

And the despicable practice of populating the battle-scape with non-combatants in order to retard the advance of Israeli Forces that the Hostile Arab Palestinian have invited through hostile action (constant rocket and mortar fire) --- will not save them. Oh, the IDF will attempt to minimize civilian casualties and death (leaflets, phone calls, ICRC Notices, etc), but in the end, their objective is to seek-out and destroy the combat potential for HAMAS to inflict harm on the sovereign people of Israel. To get in between the IDF and their objective is to invite casualties. It is a passive attempt to use the Geneva Convention protection as a military defense posture. The Geneva Convention protections were not extended for the purpose of providing the opportunity for HAMAS to form "Human Shields" (Post #112 [MENTION=2873]Billo_Really[/MENTION] Israel Gaza and civilian deaths). The pie-charts of [MENTION=2873]Billo_Really[/MENTION] (Post #1 - Just who are the terrorists) is not so much about who are the terrorists; but about who did not learn the lessons of war in the practical sense; those who purposely made a decision not to get out of the way.

No one should weep for the People of Gaza. They did it to themselves, and the instrument they used was (oddly enough) the IDF. In any suicide, it is not the gun that kills you, it is the self that pulls the trigger. The People of Gaza pulled the trigger. That is what killed this "grandfather" out buying candy.

Just My Thought,
R

Yours is the thought of a racist. You sound like the supporters of Apartheid.

"“When the ANC says that they will target British companies, this shows what a typical terrorist organization it is. I fought terrorism all my life and if more people fought it, and we were all more successful, we should not have it and I hope that everyone in this hall will think it is right to go on fighting terrorism. They will if they believe in democracy.”


Margaret Thatcher

"As late as 1988 the administration condemned Nelson Mandela’s African National Congress as one of the world’s ‘more notorious terrorist groups.’”

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/07/opinion/a-lesson-before-dying.html?_r=0

Oh brother! Now he wants to play thought police. Guilty for our unspoken words. The first time I read a few of the posts I have some very unkind and derogatory words cross my mind about the poster and the post, but I don't say them.
Monty wants us to be guilty without saying a word. He is playing mind reader.

not a first here-----remember those dozens of idiot posts claiming ZIONISTS DO
NOT EXPRESS SORROW at the deaths of arabs Kinda funny----we have had fascists
here BUBBLING with joy over the deaths of Israelis-----whether by accident----gunfire---
or ----sickness---------but the rest of us----quiet on all fronts ----got called
DISGUSTING for not publically GRIEVING IN MAUDLIN HYSTERIA over
injury and death to 'Palestinians'

 

[montelatici]

Yours is the thought of a racist. You sound like the supporters of Apartheid.

"“When the ANC says that they will target British companies, this shows what a typical terrorist organization it is. I fought terrorism all my life and if more people fought it, and we were all more successful, we should not have it and I hope that everyone in this hall will think it is right to go on fighting terrorism. They will if they believe in democracy.”


Margaret Thatcher

"As late as 1988 the administration condemned Nelson Mandela’s African National Congress as one of the world’s ‘more notorious terrorist groups.’”

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/07/opinion/a-lesson-before-dying.html?_r=0

Oh brother! Now he wants to play thought police. Guilty for our unspoken words. The first time I read a few of the posts I have some very unkind and derogatory words cross my mind about the poster and the post, but I don't say them.
Monty wants us to be guilty without saying a word. He is playing mind reader.

not a first here-----remember those dozens of idiot posts claiming ZIONISTS DO
NOT EXPRESS SORROW at the deaths of arabs Kinda funny----we have had fascists
here BUBBLING with joy over the deaths of Israelis-----whether by accident----gunfire---
or ----sickness---------but the rest of us----quiet on all fronts ----got called
DISGUSTING for not publically GRIEVING IN MAUDLIN HYSTERIA over
injury and death to 'Palestinians'

While I am saddened by the death of young soldiers, there is a big difference between soldiers being killed by other soldiers and 5 year old children who are not doing any fighting being killed by soldiers.

 

[Kondor3]

Oh brother! Now he wants to play thought police. Guilty for our unspoken words. The first time I read a few of the posts I have some very unkind and derogatory words cross my mind about the poster and the post, but I don't say them.
Monty wants us to be guilty without saying a word. He is playing mind reader.

not a first here-----remember those dozens of idiot posts claiming ZIONISTS DO NOT EXPRESS SORROW at the deaths of arabs Kinda funny----we have had fascists here BUBBLING with joy over the deaths of Israelis-----whether by accident----gunfire--- or ----sickness---------but the rest of us---- quiet on all fronts ----got called DISGUSTING for not publically GRIEVING IN MAUDLIN HYSTERIA over injury and death to 'Palestinians'

While I am saddened by the death of young soldiers, there is a big difference between soldiers being killed by other soldiers and 5 year old children who are not doing any fighting being killed by soldiers.

And saddest of all, when the soldiers of one side (Hamas) hide behind their children, rather than seeing them to safety, before engaging.

The stereotype holds true in this case...

 

[montelatici]

not a first here-----remember those dozens of idiot posts claiming ZIONISTS DO NOT EXPRESS SORROW at the deaths of arabs Kinda funny----we have had fascists here BUBBLING with joy over the deaths of Israelis-----whether by accident----gunfire--- or ----sickness---------but the rest of us---- quiet on all fronts ----got called DISGUSTING for not publically GRIEVING IN MAUDLIN HYSTERIA over injury and death to 'Palestinians'

While I am saddened by the death of young soldiers, there is a big difference between soldiers being killed by other soldiers and 5 year old children who are not doing any fighting being killed by soldiers.

And saddest of all, when the soldiers of one side (Hamas) hide behind their children, rather than seeing them to safety, before engaging.

The stereotype holds true in this case...

Hamas has not ever hid behind children that is Israeli propaganda that you have bought hook line and sinker.

Debunking Israeli propaganda willingly believed and repeated by Americans.

"5) Hamas use the civilians of Gaza as 'human shields'

Jeremy Bowen, BBC Middle East editor: "I saw no evidence during my week in Gaza of Israel's accusation that Hamas uses Palestinians as human shields." The Guardian: "In the past week, the Guardian has seen large numbers of people fleeing different neighbourhoods.. and no evidence that Hamas had compelled them to stay." The Independent: "Some Gazans have admitted that they were afraid of criticizing Hamas, but none have said they had been forced by the organisation to stay in places of danger and become unwilling human-shields." Reuters, 2013: "A United Nations human rights body accused Israeli forces on Thursday of mistreating Palestinian children, including by torturing those in custody and using others as human shields.""

Debunking Israel's 11 Main Myths About Gaza, Hamas and War Crimes*|*Mehdi Hasan

 

[Slyhunter]

You want the UN who simply hands over rockets found in UN schools to Hamas to control and maintain the border? They have already proven to be untrustworthy.

 

[Kondor3]

A Muslim correspondent, reporting through the Huffington Post?

Good one !

Somebody else want to step-up and 'school' our friend Monty about this one?

I haven't got the patience, tonight.

While I am saddened by the death of young soldiers, there is a big difference between soldiers being killed by other soldiers and 5 year old children who are not doing any fighting being killed by soldiers.

And saddest of all, when the soldiers of one side (Hamas) hide behind their children, rather than seeing them to safety, before engaging.

The stereotype holds true in this case...

Hamas has not ever hid behind children that is Israeli propaganda that you have bought hook line and sinker.

Debunking Israeli propaganda willingly believed and repeated by Americans.

"5) Hamas use the civilians of Gaza as 'human shields'

Jeremy Bowen, BBC Middle East editor: "I saw no evidence during my week in Gaza of Israel's accusation that Hamas uses Palestinians as human shields." The Guardian: "In the past week, the Guardian has seen large numbers of people fleeing different neighbourhoods.. and no evidence that Hamas had compelled them to stay." The Independent: "Some Gazans have admitted that they were afraid of criticizing Hamas, but none have said they had been forced by the organisation to stay in places of danger and become unwilling human-shields." Reuters, 2013: "A United Nations human rights body accused Israeli forces on Thursday of mistreating Palestinian children, including by torturing those in custody and using others as human shields.""

Debunking Israel's 11 Main Myths About Gaza, Hamas and War Crimes*|*Mehdi Hasan

 

[montelatici]

Survivors of massacre in Khuza’a say Israeli forces used Palestinians as human shields

"Ayman Abu Toaimah, 32, a resident of Khuza’a recalls, “As Israeli invading troops advanced to the village they besieged it and used residents as human shields. When the Israeli army arrested people and then released some of them, they were told they are free to go back to the village, but as they were fleeing they came under fire and some of them shot dead. These people were used as human shields.”


Survivors of massacre in Khuza'a say Israeli forces using Palestinians as human shields

 

[Slyhunter]

Survivors of massacre in Khuza’a say Israeli forces used Palestinians as human shields

"Ayman Abu Toaimah, 32, a resident of Khuza’a recalls, “As Israeli invading troops advanced to the village they besieged it and used residents as human shields. When the Israeli army arrested people and then released some of them, they were told they are free to go back to the village, but as they were fleeing they came under fire and some of them shot dead. These people were used as human shields.”


Survivors of massacre in Khuza'a say Israeli forces using Palestinians as human shields

You are really stretching.
You can't blame Israel for Hamas blowing away civilians that were freed in Gaza.

 

[montelatici]

Survivors of massacre in Khuza’a say Israeli forces used Palestinians as human shields

"Ayman Abu Toaimah, 32, a resident of Khuza’a recalls, “As Israeli invading troops advanced to the village they besieged it and used residents as human shields. When the Israeli army arrested people and then released some of them, they were told they are free to go back to the village, but as they were fleeing they came under fire and some of them shot dead. These people were used as human shields.”


Survivors of massacre in Khuza'a say Israeli forces using Palestinians as human shields

You are really stretching.
You can't blame Israel for Hamas blowing away civilians that were freed in Gaza.

LOL, drinking the Kool Aid I see.