Will Republicans shut down the Government over Planned Parenthood?

[MaggieMae]

Since it's only "chump change" then Planned Parenthood will no doubt be able to replace that funding from a private source. Are you telling us that the Democrats are willing to shut the government down over "chump change"?

Are the Republicans willing to shut down the government over an issue that's already the law, and also the law that abortion can't be funded with federal money anyway?

I'm not so sure that citing the law in defense of this batch of Democrats is all that convincing a thing to do. They ignored the Budget Act of 1974 and its subsequent amendments. They thought they had better things to do than their jobs as dictated by the law.

Citing the balanced budget act as one that ANY administration has followed since it was adopted in 1974 is ludicrous. It was amended by Gramm-Rudman requiring annual budget cuts and spending caps, but that was ultimately deemed unconstitutional. Further, the so-called "Pay-Go" Act of 1997 expired in 2002 and Bush declined to renew it!!

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Are the Republicans willing to shut down the government over an issue that's already the law, and also the law that abortion can't be funded with federal money anyway?

I'm not so sure that citing the law in defense of this batch of Democrats is all that convincing a thing to do. They ignored the Budget Act of 1974 and its subsequent amendments. They thought they had better things to do than their jobs as dictated by the law.

Citing the balanced budget act as one that ANY administration has followed since it was adopted in 1974 is ludicrous. It was amended by Gramm-Rudman requiring annual budget cuts and spending caps, but that was ultimately deemed unconstitutional. Further, the so-called "Pay-Go" Act of 1997 expired in 2002 and Bush declined to renew it!!

Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooossssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

 

[Si modo]

Are the Republicans willing to shut down the government over an issue that's already the law, and also the law that abortion can't be funded with federal money anyway?

I'm not so sure that citing the law in defense of this batch of Democrats is all that convincing a thing to do. They ignored the Budget Act of 1974 and its subsequent amendments. They thought they had better things to do than their jobs as dictated by the law.

Citing the balanced budget act as one that ANY administration has followed since it was adopted in 1974 is ludicrous. It was amended by Gramm-Rudman requiring annual budget cuts and spending caps, but that was ultimately deemed unconstitutional. Further, the so-called "Pay-Go" Act of 1997 expired in 2002 and Bush declined to renew it!!

I'm not talking about attempted amendments that failed nor am I talking about expired amendments. I'm talking about the law and its amendments. The last batch of Dems did not see any reason to follow the law and do their jobs. They had better things to do, they thought.

 

[MaggieMae]

Let PP get its own funding like the rest of the business world has to do. After all, abortion is a business. You simply want us to keep funding abortion with some kind of an emotional plea that if we don't fund abortions there will be more abortions.

What kind of left wing garbage is that?

Immie

OH yay!! Let's desubsidize oil companies, health insurers (Medicare ADVANTAGE plans), pharmaceutical companies, agriculture!! I wonder when THOSE debates will start in earnest?

I am fine with that. Maybe the two of us together can solve this budget crisis ourselves, if they would just let us.

Immie

I've told you mine is only one page.

 

[MaggieMae]

93% of the National Debt was caused by Reagan and the two Bushes lowering taxes for the rich.

Click on the link...

ReaganBushDebt.org

And when Bush41 tried to scale it back, reneging on his read-my-lips, no-new-taxes pledge, he wound up losing the election. What I've found most intriguing is that this cycle is the first where I've actually seen a lot of ordinary people interested in "the deficit." Even in the last administration, attempts to make the rising deficit a topic for discussion either drew blanks or nobody was worried nor cared.

 

[Immanuel]

OH yay!! Let's desubsidize oil companies, health insurers (Medicare ADVANTAGE plans), pharmaceutical companies, agriculture!! I wonder when THOSE debates will start in earnest?

I am fine with that. Maybe the two of us together can solve this budget crisis ourselves, if they would just let us.

Immie

I've told you mine is only one page.

I must have missed that, but that leads to the question:

What size font?

Ever view a very large spreadsheet with "view all"? Not sure the latest version of Excel has that capability anymore, but you could get a view of an entire worksheet that looked like it was printed on microfiche.

Um, now that I think about it, is your budget on microfiche?

Immie

 

[MaggieMae]

Can anyone imagine the reaction on this board if the Democrats held up the budget in order to get cuts to end oil subsidies or to pay for programs that support gun control? It wouldn't be pretty. And yet to some people on this board it's alright if the GOP decides to hold up the entire budget because they want to push through their religious right agenda.

If the Democrats had a spine, I'd say just wait until the positions are reversed and you hear the same people on the board defending the GOP call the Dems traitors.

why yes, because 'oil subsidies' are a moral issue....

Then just use gun control programs for purposes of the debate, and Modbert is right-on.

 

[JWBooth]

It's a war on womeeeeeeeeen!

*Runs hysterically out of room waving hands over head in her best Dem hyperbole imitation*

But what about the childreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeennnnnnnnn (my best Oddball hyperbole imitation) who will be born into misery?

Best incentive in the world to excel.

 

[sinister59]

The ball is in the Dems' court: Republicans have done their part to keep government open, says John McCormack in The Weekly Standard. But Obama and Reid won't allow another one-week extension, which only contains two "riders" — neither of which deals with Planned Parenthood or the EPA. In fact, "it's quite amazing" that Democrats are "now insisting that taxpayer-funding of abortion" is more important than funding the troops and keeping "budget negotiations going."

Crazy.

repigs are bullies Dem's are wussies
its the CR again after clinics .

 

[MaggieMae]

Funding gun control programs, for example, is an increase in spending. Cutting some subsidies is a decrease in spending. So I have no idea what your point is.

It's the money, stupid.

But keep the hyperbole about wars on women, hatred of old people, burning of puppies, etc. up. It's entertaining.

This debate has nothing to do with the budget and we both know it. ....

Then the Dems can sign it if it's not about money.

Can you shoot yourself in the foot some more? Or, has your trademark dancing prevented that injury so far.

It's come down to common sense. To allow the Republicans (tea party caucus in particular) to "win" by allowing them to obstruct the Constitutional process on such a relatively minor issue to the majority of Americans** (and their elected officials) would be setting a precedent. What would they demand next? And how many hours, days, weeks, months, would be involved in arguing about any other minor issue they want to inject that would set back the entire process?

** Abortion

 

[MaggieMae]

Crazy.

What part of the federal government doesn't fund abortions anyway are clowns like John McCormack and you not getting? By cutting Planned Parenthood, ironically, they'll be cutting PREGNANCY PREVENTION for low-income women. You want more babies born to women who can't care for them or don't want them and then have even MORE chidren on welfare to continue the cycle?

This is a ******* no-brainer.

So Planned Parenthood is the only entity to help low-income women avoid getting pregnant?

No, there are others, but they are all funded by Title X money.

 

[MaggieMae]

93% of the National Debt was caused by Reagan and the two Bushes lowering taxes for the rich.

Click on the link...

ReaganBushDebt.org

RAAAAK!

So where's the rebuttal?

 

[MaggieMae]

Let PP get its own funding like the rest of the business world has to do. After all, abortion is a business. You simply want us to keep funding abortion with some kind of an emotional plea that if we don't fund abortions there will be more abortions.

What kind of left wing garbage is that?

Immie

OH yay!! Let's desubsidize oil companies, health insurers (Medicare ADVANTAGE plans), pharmaceutical companies, agriculture!! I wonder when THOSE debates will start in earnest?

Great plan when unemployment is 9%.

Since profits for all of those are the highest in history, I wouldn't worry about them not being able to hire if they suddenly got dumped from the gravy train.

 

[MaggieMae]

The real onus for this is of course on the demonRats. they didn't do a budget AT ALL, they should have but they didn't and purely for political reasons they chose not to do a budget and now it's come back to bite them in their hairy little ratty asses..

Didn't do a budget? Of course they did. But Republicans and Democrats can't agree to the smallest items in said budget, so the process gets drawn out long beyond the deadline. Note the process for passing an annual budget. Every single one of these committee hearings wound up in vote along party lines, period, and the Senate did not have the majority needed to pass the budget.

Appropriations/Budget – The WashingtonWatch.com Blog

The nice thing is that there is a bipartisan failure shaping up. The Republican House will almost certainly not produce a budget on time. The Democratic Senate will almost certainly not produce its budget on time. Thus, Americans of all perspectives can unite in criticism of our Congress.

Just as there was a bipartisan failure for the 2011 budget.

I am sorry that bi-partisan failure doesn't hold water, other than nancys 'deem and pass', of a trillion dollar budget res. in the HOUSE, please link me to the senate budget vote for fiscal year 2011, because according to say one of a hundred links I can provide;

Dems won’t pass budget in 2010
By Jared Allen - 06/22/10 12:01 AM ET

House Democrats will not pass a budget blueprint in 2010, Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) will confirm in a speech on Tuesday.

But Hoyer will vow to crack down on government spending, saying Democrats will enforce spending limits that are lower than what President Barack Obama has called for.

snip-
The House has never failed to pass an annual budget resolution since the current budget rules were put into place in 1974. Hoyer this spring noted that the GOP-led Congress didn’t pass a final resolution in 1998, 2004 and 2006.

Dems won

Sorry, but from your own link, it goes on to say:

For weeks, Democratic leaders have tried to strike a deal on the budget, which is a non-binding resolution, but to no avail.

The talks triggered splits in the Democratic Caucus, alienating conservative Democrats from their liberal colleagues.

The House’s decision not to pursue a budget resolution comes as the Senate has been struggling to get its companion measure to the floor. And the politics of the moment are a far cry from last year, when the House and Senate easily passed Obama’s first budget on the president’s 100th day in office. The budget measure last year did not attract any GOP support.

The same groups writing the language for a budget resolution also write the budget, and it's clear they couldn't come together.

 

[Sallow]

93% of the National Debt was caused by Reagan and the two Bushes lowering taxes for the rich.

Click on the link...

ReaganBushDebt.org

And when Bush41 tried to scale it back, reneging on his read-my-lips, no-new-taxes pledge, he wound up losing the election. What I've found most intriguing is that this cycle is the first where I've actually seen a lot of ordinary people interested in "the deficit." Even in the last administration, attempts to make the rising deficit a topic for discussion either drew blanks or nobody was worried nor cared.

Amazing, isn't it?

Deficits were somehow important during the Clinton administration too.

Could there be a connection?

 

[Ava]

"Will Republicans shut down the Government over Planned Parenthood?"

No, but I hope they will over "SPENDING" and keeping their word to their constituents. If they go down with a compromise, they will be defeated in `12, me fears....

 

[MaggieMae]

Didn't do a budget? Of course they did. But Republicans and Democrats can't agree to the smallest items in said budget, so the process gets drawn out long beyond the deadline. Note the process for passing an annual budget. Every single one of these committee hearings wound up in vote along party lines, period, and the Senate did not have the majority needed to pass the budget.

Appropriations/Budget – The WashingtonWatch.com Blog


Just as there was a bipartisan failure for the 2011 budget.

I am sorry that bi-partisan failure doesn't hold water, other than nancys 'deem and pass', of a trillion dollar budget res. in the HOUSE, please link me to the senate budget vote for fiscal year 2011, because according to say one of a hundred links I can provide;

Dems won’t pass budget in 2010
By Jared Allen - 06/22/10 12:01 AM ET

House Democrats will not pass a budget blueprint in 2010, Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) will confirm in a speech on Tuesday.

But Hoyer will vow to crack down on government spending, saying Democrats will enforce spending limits that are lower than what President Barack Obama has called for.

snip-
The House has never failed to pass an annual budget resolution since the current budget rules were put into place in 1974. Hoyer this spring noted that the GOP-led Congress didn’t pass a final resolution in 1998, 2004 and 2006.

Dems won

I didn't bother responding to her nonsense, cause if the dems had passed a budget we wouldn't be in this battle right now would we? I don't demonRats have a capacity to reason. fact is the demonRats didn't pass a budget and they didn't pass it for political reasons and now they chikkens have come home to roost..

I never said they PASSED one. They began working on one and couldn't get it past first base.

But they did pass the budget resolution.

http://budget.senate.gov/democratic/index.cfm/fiscalyear2010

 

[kaz]

Will Republicans shut down the government over Planned Parenthood? - The Week

Another night of budget talks failed to produce a deal acceptable to President Obama, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), and House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio). Reid said that money isn't the holdup, but rather the GOP's "line in the sand" over its hundreds of policy amendments, especially those to defund Planned Parenthood and curb EPA enforcement. Such big policy issues "have no place on a budget bill," Reid said. Could the government really shut down over Planned Parenthood?

Money's been worked out? It's just planned parenthood? Riiiggghhhhtt. You're obviously not following what's going on, so you shouldn't even be posting on this until you read up on it much less starting threads on it.

No actually it hasn't. What's coming out of the Republicans is vague generalizations about radical cuts and changes to some rather big programs a great deal of people depend on. But the bottom line, seems to be, that they want to get rid of the EPA, Planned Parenthood, privatize Medicare/Medicaid and cut SSI. Democrats seem to have capitulated on cutting money..which is completely foolish. The type of cuts the Republicans want to do, don't really do much but cover the Tax cuts. That's ridiculous.

You made it sound like you were disagreeing with me then supported my point that rightwinger is a moron for saying the shutdown is over planned parenthood. I was mocking the point it was just about that, not supporting it. Dude, you agreed with me. Live with that...

 

[JimH52]

"Will Republicans shut down the Government over Planned Parenthood?"

No, but I hope they will over "SPENDING" and keeping their word to their constituents. If they go down with a compromise, they will be defeated in `12, me fears....

Oh, I think the compromise is in the works. The GOP is scared to death of a repeat of 1995. They are going to make the Tea Party back down. Of course, if they don't then they lose also.

Wow, that's lose/lose isn't it?

 

[kaz]

they want to get rid of ... Planned Parenthood

No longer providing tax dollars for a non-profit business focusing on abortion is not getting rid of it

Actually to a liberal it is. When you or I hear it we think getting government out of it frees us to make our own choice. To a liberal that government isn't going to do it makes it an obstacle of a concrete wall reaching to the sky because you've just told them to do it themselves and that just aint gonna happen...