Will Republicans shut down the Government over Planned Parenthood?

I am sorry that bi-partisan failure doesn't hold water, other than nancys 'deem and pass', of a trillion dollar budget res. in the HOUSE, please link me to the senate budget vote for fiscal year 2011, because according to say one of a hundred links I can provide;

Dems wonÂ’t pass budget in 2010
By Jared Allen - 06/22/10 12:01 AM ET

House Democrats will not pass a budget blueprint in 2010, Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) will confirm in a speech on Tuesday.

But Hoyer will vow to crack down on government spending, saying Democrats will enforce spending limits that are lower than what President Barack Obama has called for.

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The House has never failed to pass an annual budget resolution since the current budget rules were put into place in 1974. Hoyer this spring noted that the GOP-led Congress didnÂ’t pass a final resolution in 1998, 2004 and 2006.

Dems won

I didn't bother responding to her nonsense, cause if the dems had passed a budget we wouldn't be in this battle right now would we? I don't demonRats have a capacity to reason. fact is the demonRats didn't pass a budget and they didn't pass it for political reasons and now they chikkens have come home to roost..

I never said they PASSED one. They began working on one and couldn't get it past first base.

How many months did they have majorities in both houses? C'mon. All presidents and parties have dealt with this.

Now the Democrats think they'll score on 'wedge issue' of abortion by not agreeing with compromise. Well I'm thinking it's just possible that the American public actually understood some of Ryan's points and while not a final deal, realize the Democrats aren't engaging in convo of any sort. Who will they blame?
 
"Will Republicans shut down the Government over Planned Parenthood?"

No, but I hope they will over "SPENDING" and keeping their word to their constituents. If they go down with a compromise, they will be defeated in `12, me fears....

Oh, I think the compromise is in the works. The GOP is scared to death of a repeat of 1995. They are going to make the Tea Party back down. Of course, if they don't then they lose also.

Wow, that's lose/lose isn't it?

First mistake? This isn't 1995. WE weren't facing this kind of DEBT and budget. *TRY AGAIN*
 
It's stunning that the Right has apparently just collectively decided to LIE about this funding. I heard Limbaugh call it government funded abortion earlier today; I heard Jim DeMint do the same about 15 minutes ago.

Is it really worth lying about ?
 
I'm not so sure that citing the law in defense of this batch of Democrats is all that convincing a thing to do. They ignored the Budget Act of 1974 and its subsequent amendments. They thought they had better things to do than their jobs as dictated by the law.

Citing the balanced budget act as one that ANY administration has followed since it was adopted in 1974 is ludicrous. It was amended by Gramm-Rudman requiring annual budget cuts and spending caps, but that was ultimately deemed unconstitutional. Further, the so-called "Pay-Go" Act of 1997 expired in 2002 and Bush declined to renew it!!

Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooossssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.


It undeniable that Bush policies were directly responsible for the massive deficits during his presidency, and that debt is STILL on the books.
 
It's stunning that the Right has apparently just collectively decided to LIE about this funding. I heard Limbaugh call it government funded abortion earlier today; I heard Jim DeMint do the same about 15 minutes ago.

Is it really worth lying about ?

How exactly is government providing funds to planned parenthood and planned parenthood using a portion of those funds for abortions not government funded abortion?
 
It's stunning that the Right has apparently just collectively decided to LIE about this funding. I heard Limbaugh call it government funded abortion earlier today; I heard Jim DeMint do the same about 15 minutes ago.

Is it really worth lying about ?

The Republicans aren't lying about this, though most are not serious about the budget either. Nope, the abortion issue is a 'wedge' that the Democrats are counting on, problem is, it's not true.

The bottom line Default

Where the electorate will be at election time psychologically is always tricky tea leaves reading. I don't think the political class of either party has an inkling though to journey most Americans have been over the past 2+ years.

During 2007 and 2008 most Americans were anxious, they knew the real estate markets were falling, but they weren't selling their home yet. They hoped that things would improve by the time they needed to. Most had jobs though many knew of someone who'd lost their job or had to take cuts. They saw businesses closing, but it wasn't theirs or likely someone they knew.

By 2009 many more had lost jobs and people's behaviors were fundamentally changing. It no longer was someone else, most were afraid of their own debt and their own source of income. By the time of the inauguration most of the country hoped that a new president would bring the 'hope and change' he'd campaigned on, even if they hadn't bought it for their vote. The optimism lasted longer than it's effect. Housing kept tanking; new 'emergency spending' by Washington turned into mountains of dollar printing. People did notice that while they were trying to pay down their debt, the government was acting in ways opposite. They might have learned their own lessons late, but most knew the government seemed to be ignorant of any need to learn.

So the people, not wanting to be called racist rubes, tried to keep liking the man, while losing confidence and support for the actions coming out of the government. Most saw their municipalities begin cutting back when they did, spending less even on necessities but beginning to panic not fast enough. States held out for the most part on the cut backs until mid 2010, people noticed the stories of their state deficit. In IL the magic number was $13 Billion and by law they were to hand in a balanced budget. Would states go bankrupt? So far that hasn't happened, but people know something else is coming.

But Washington? No cuts. Oh they couldn't get a budget, but they just kept going. The story died in the newspapers and nightly reports. Yet, most people knew that this couldn't keep going. They'd done it and they still were trying to pay down. For most their debt wasn't nearly as overwhelming as the worst case stories. They stopped adding to their debt and paid down their balances. Some walked away from their mortgages or short sold. Most kept paying and decided they'd have to ride it out.

But not the government. They spent more and kept borrowing from foreign lenders at non-fixed interests rates. The newly economically aware populace had already started wondering, 'what if inflation hits?' Now it has.

As I said at the beginning, I don't think the political class understands what most people do. This ignorance isn't Democrat or Republican, the political class is of both parties. They both fear the Tea Parties where the message is very different that what the political class believes. That message is resonating with many voters, even if they have serious doubts about many of the candidates being linked to the Tea Parties, willingly or not. The political class hopes that by saying, "Tea Partiers" candidate to their challenger they raise fears. They hope that the economy will somehow come back enough to make the fears good enough to win.

Somehow I think the new reality will result in results that none really can be clear about. People want the cuts that the political class seems unwilling to deal with. They want a budget, they want plans. They do fear what may happen to those dependent on the government in significant ways. They don't want homeless or hungry or sick. At the same time, they know that things can't keep going the way they have. Any candidate that taps into this new reality, that isn't a apparent 'nutter' will rise.

Dangerous times.
 
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It's stunning that the Right has apparently just collectively decided to LIE about this funding. I heard Limbaugh call it government funded abortion earlier today; I heard Jim DeMint do the same about 15 minutes ago.

Is it really worth lying about ?

How exactly is government providing funds to planned parenthood and planned parenthood using a portion of those funds for abortions not government funded abortion?

It is. Funding courtesy of the Taxpayers that don't agree with killing innocents...and want it stopped.

But Dingy Harry Reid wants to hold the Military hostage for PP...
As does Pelosi...

PP is NOT Constitutionally mandated. It can wither and DIE as far as I am concerned.
 
Citing the balanced budget act as one that ANY administration has followed since it was adopted in 1974 is ludicrous. It was amended by Gramm-Rudman requiring annual budget cuts and spending caps, but that was ultimately deemed unconstitutional. Further, the so-called "Pay-Go" Act of 1997 expired in 2002 and Bush declined to renew it!!

Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooossssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.


It undeniable that Bush policies were directly responsible for the massive deficits during his presidency, and that debt is STILL on the books.

I thought Bush was horrible too. But wow, Obama showed Bush what an amateur he was at creating deficits, didn't he?
 
It's stunning that the Right has apparently just collectively decided to LIE about this funding. I heard Limbaugh call it government funded abortion earlier today; I heard Jim DeMint do the same about 15 minutes ago.

Is it really worth lying about ?

How exactly is government providing funds to planned parenthood and planned parenthood using a portion of those funds for abortions not government funded abortion?

It is. Funding courtesy of the Taxpayers that don't agree with killing innocents...and want it stopped.

But Dingy Harry Reid wants to hold the Military hostage for PP...
As does Pelosi...

PP is NOT Constitutionally mandated. It can wither and DIE as far as I am concerned.

I'm not sure you grasped my point. I was arguing to NYcarbineer that it obviously is Federally funded abortions. I don't support Federally funded abortions either, but I am pro-choice. I just think the Federal government should be small and limited to it's Constitutional role.

But on your argument of not being forced to fund things we think are immoral, why do I need to pay for the Middle East wars since I oppose those as immoral exactly? Can you explain that to me?
 
How exactly is government providing funds to planned parenthood and planned parenthood using a portion of those funds for abortions not government funded abortion?

It is. Funding courtesy of the Taxpayers that don't agree with killing innocents...and want it stopped.

But Dingy Harry Reid wants to hold the Military hostage for PP...
As does Pelosi...

PP is NOT Constitutionally mandated. It can wither and DIE as far as I am concerned.

I'm not sure you grasped my point. I was arguing to NYcarbineer that it obviously is Federally funded abortions. I don't support Federally funded abortions either, but I am pro-choice. I just think the Federal government should be small and limited to it's Constitutional role.

But on your argument of not being forced to fund things we think are immoral, why do I need to pay for the Middle East wars since I oppose those as immoral exactly? Can you explain that to me?

Fine. I did indeed grasp it. That's a choice of an individual...but DEATH of innocents should never be funded by proxy of TAXES....especially those of us PAYING taxes that are against it.

Now *I* hope I am clear as well.
 
"Will Republicans shut down the Government over Planned Parenthood?"

No, but I hope they will over "SPENDING" and keeping their word to their constituents. If they go down with a compromise, they will be defeated in `12, me fears....

The "spending" that Republicans are shutting the Government down over amount to 8 one thousandth of a percent (.008) of the budget

It's about social agenda...why don't you just admit it?
 
It's stunning that the Right has apparently just collectively decided to LIE about this funding. I heard Limbaugh call it government funded abortion earlier today; I heard Jim DeMint do the same about 15 minutes ago.

Is it really worth lying about ?

I have heard that from several Republicans. Do they think the general populace is that slow? I mean, it has been pointed out time and time again that it is illegal to use federal money for abortions. The Hyde Bill directed that. And yet, repup after repub gets up there and says it. If perjury could be inforced though public statements, they would all go to jail.

Give us a break!! We don't all sit around watching FOX all day, you know. TRY TELLING THE TRUTH FOR A CHANGE!
 
It's stunning that the Right has apparently just collectively decided to LIE about this funding. I heard Limbaugh call it government funded abortion earlier today; I heard Jim DeMint do the same about 15 minutes ago.

Is it really worth lying about ?

How exactly is government providing funds to planned parenthood and planned parenthood using a portion of those funds for abortions not government funded abortion?

They are not using a portion of those funds for abortions. That is illegal.
 
"Will Republicans shut down the Government over Planned Parenthood?"

No, but I hope they will over "SPENDING" and keeping their word to their constituents. If they go down with a compromise, they will be defeated in `12, me fears....

The "spending" that Republicans are shutting the Government down over amount to 8 one thousandth of a percent (.008) of the budget

It's about social agenda...why don't you just admit it?

No its not you DAMN liar!

Its about saving this once great nation that you dont deserve.

You damn liar..... :evil:
 
"Will Republicans shut down the Government over Planned Parenthood?"

No, but I hope they will over "SPENDING" and keeping their word to their constituents. If they go down with a compromise, they will be defeated in `12, me fears....

The "spending" that Republicans are shutting the Government down over amount to 8 one thousandth of a percent (.008) of the budget

It's about social agenda...why don't you just admit it?

And that amount of alcohol in your blood will get you busted for DUI.

Immie
 
What I'd still like to hear an answer to is, why is the Tea Party pressure that supposedly Boehner et al are getting have anything to do with demagoguing abortion?

When did the Tea Party get taken over by the pro-life lobby?
 
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It is. Funding courtesy of the Taxpayers that don't agree with killing innocents...and want it stopped.

But Dingy Harry Reid wants to hold the Military hostage for PP...
As does Pelosi...

PP is NOT Constitutionally mandated. It can wither and DIE as far as I am concerned.

I'm not sure you grasped my point. I was arguing to NYcarbineer that it obviously is Federally funded abortions. I don't support Federally funded abortions either, but I am pro-choice. I just think the Federal government should be small and limited to it's Constitutional role.

But on your argument of not being forced to fund things we think are immoral, why do I need to pay for the Middle East wars since I oppose those as immoral exactly? Can you explain that to me?

Fine. I did indeed grasp it. That's a choice of an individual...but DEATH of innocents should never be funded by proxy of TAXES....especially those of us PAYING taxes that are against it.

Now *I* hope I am clear as well.

Just the way you stated it confused me on abortions, I thought you were saying we somehow disagreed.

But you didn't answer my question on the immorality of the middle east wars and why I am forced to fund them
 
It's stunning that the Right has apparently just collectively decided to LIE about this funding. I heard Limbaugh call it government funded abortion earlier today; I heard Jim DeMint do the same about 15 minutes ago.

Is it really worth lying about ?

How exactly is government providing funds to planned parenthood and planned parenthood using a portion of those funds for abortions not government funded abortion?

They are not using a portion of those funds for abortions. That is illegal.

That's a word game. They get money, they fund abortions. They allocate federal to one program, then divert other funds to other programs, like abortions. You are stating a distinction without a difference. Their funding increases the free abortions they fund.

BTW, Planned parenthood is a good customer of my business and I strongly support them. I give them a 15% discount on the design and printed materials we provide them. I'm in favor of providing the poor abortions. But I firmly believe they should be funded by private and not public funds. Then again I believe that for all charities.
 
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I'm not sure you grasped my point. I was arguing to NYcarbineer that it obviously is Federally funded abortions. I don't support Federally funded abortions either, but I am pro-choice. I just think the Federal government should be small and limited to it's Constitutional role.

But on your argument of not being forced to fund things we think are immoral, why do I need to pay for the Middle East wars since I oppose those as immoral exactly? Can you explain that to me?

Fine. I did indeed grasp it. That's a choice of an individual...but DEATH of innocents should never be funded by proxy of TAXES....especially those of us PAYING taxes that are against it.

Now *I* hope I am clear as well.

Just the way you stated it confused me on abortions, I thought you were saying we somehow disagreed.

But you didn't answer my question on the immorality of the middle east wars and why I am forced to fund them


And we SHOULDN'T BE forced to fund them if WE don't have a direct National Interest... /OT

*Next*
 
Fine. I did indeed grasp it. That's a choice of an individual...but DEATH of innocents should never be funded by proxy of TAXES....especially those of us PAYING taxes that are against it.

Now *I* hope I am clear as well.

Just the way you stated it confused me on abortions, I thought you were saying we somehow disagreed.

But you didn't answer my question on the immorality of the middle east wars and why I am forced to fund them


And we SHOULDN'T BE forced to fund them if WE don't have a direct National Interest...

*Next*

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