Will Lebanon Disappear in 2014

[Hollie]

Those are pretty desperate and conspiracy theory addled claims. Lebanon suffering 1,200 dead and billions of dollars in property damage is hardly reflective of Israel getting "whipped".

I'm afraid your "arc of instability" is yet another conspiracy theory you found as part of scouring the more notorious of the web tabloids.

How many Jews made it to the Litani in 2006?
How many are still there?

Are you suggesting that hizzbollocks's attack on Israel was a part of one of your silly conspiracy theories?

How many conspiracy theories have you floated?

Not a single one is proven true.

 

[Hollie]

The Jews didn't want the Litani.

Some (greedy) Jews did (and still do).

"Israel has considered diverting the Litani southward, first proposed in 1905 because it seemed 'the waters of the Jordan basin would be insufficient for the future needs of Palestine.'(14)

"The Litani, because of its water, was suggested to become part of the 'national Jewish entity' in 1919 but this was rejected by the League of Nations, and the Litani became part of Lebanon.(15)

"There were also prestatehood Jewish interests in the Litani. David Ben-Gurion, Israel's first prime minister, suggested the inclusion of the Litani in the Jewish state.

"The 1941 international commission to whom this was suggested recommended seven-eighths of the Litani be 'leased to Israel.'(16)

"Ben-Gurion and Moshe Dayan advocated Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon and the Litani."

ICE Cases: Litani River Dispute

And as we see with every instance of your silly conspiracy theories, they're paranoid ramblings.

 

[aris2chat]

How many Jews made it to the Litani in 2006?
How many are still there?

The Jews didn't want the Litani.

By the time it makes the turn and heads west, how much water do you think it moves???

We are not taking nile, colorado or mississippi, you can wad across it.

How do people come up with these ideas?

 

[Kondor3]

I can see why the anti-Israel / pro-Palestinian / pro-Muslim crowd crows so loudly about the lackluster performance of the IDF during the 2006 punitive raid into southern Lebanon, and why they fixate so much on the so-called 'Litani River ass-whooping'...

Given that their battlefield victories (most of which other folks would call 'draws', at best) are so frigging few and far between...

They fail to mention that the Israeli cabinet intentionally hamstrung their own forces by insisting upon a close focus on avoiding collateral (civilian) casualties during field operations...

The Israelis have learned from that mistake - as all nations learn from their mistakes as these pertain to military field operations - and are unlikely to make the same mistake twice...

There is no escaping the fact that the Israelis hoped to conduct a Sweep-and-Clear running the entire length of the westward-running lower section of the Litani River, designed to destroy Hezbollah along that river valley and that the IDF aborted the mission partway through because their casualties were unexpectedly high...

This can be attributed to the Israelis being unprepared for substantial improvements in Hezbollah fighting capabilities in the last couple of years prior to that 2006 fracas...

Those improvements, in turn, can be attributed to Hezbollah receiving considerable assistance from Iran, in weapons shipments, combat and weapons training, and in supportive funding...

Basically, for the first time in its existence, Hezbollah actually held off an IDF assault...

It wasn't exactly the 'ass-whooping' that our colleague George likes to portray it as, but it was a matter of the Israelis aborting the mission after taking more casualties and losing more equipment than they expected...

Basically, it was a wake-up call for the IDF, that one of its regional adversaries had upgraded their capabilities, and that any next encounter would not be the 'cake-walk' to which the IDF had been accustomed to enjoying in recent times...

The Israelis will not make that mistake again, either...

If the IDF goes into that region again - as I'm sure seems likely at some point or another in the not-too-distant future - the outcome will overwhelmingly favor Israel...

Why?

Because the IDF will be prepared for a different kind of struggle, rather than a cakewalk...

Because the IDF will be freed to kill anything that moves, and most of that from the air, before the armor and infantry go in there...

So, let the anti-Israeli / pro-Palestinian / pro-Muslim crowd enjoy their one little pseudo-victory while they can...

God knows, they have soooooo little to cling to in that vein...

In their place, I, too, would be inclined to 'fluff-up' that pissant fighting-to-a-standstill and withdrawal sequence as an ass-whooping, to give my side some desperately-needed encouragement...

Not that that will matter a damn, come the Revanche...

One 'grudge-match' comin'-up, to a (war) theatre near you...

And Smart Vegas Money won't be on Hezbollah...

 

[Hossfly]

I can see why the anti-Israel / pro-Palestinian / pro-Muslim crowd crows so loudly about the lackluster performance of the IDF during the 2006 punitive raid into southern Lebanon, and why they fixate so much on the so-called 'Litani River ass-whooping'...

Given that their battlefield victories (most of which other folks would call 'draws', at best) are so frigging few and far between...

They fail to mention that the Israeli cabinet intentionally hamstrung their own forces by insisting upon a close focus on avoiding collateral (civilian) casualties during field operations...

The Israelis have learned from that mistake - as all nations learn from their mistakes as these pertain to military field operations - and are unlikely to make the same mistake twice...

There is no escaping the fact that the Israelis hoped to conduct a Sweep-and-Clear running the entire length of the westward-running lower section of the Litani River, designed to destroy Hezbollah along that river valley and that the IDF aborted the mission partway through because their casualties were unexpectedly high...

This can be attributed to the Israelis being unprepared for substantial improvements in Hezbollah fighting capabilities in the last couple of years prior to that 2006 fracas...

Those improvements, in turn, can be attributed to Hezbollah receiving considerable assistance from Iran, in weapons shipments, combat and weapons training, and in supportive funding...

Basically, for the first time in its existence, Hezbollah actually held off an IDF assault...

It wasn't exactly the 'ass-whooping' that our colleague George likes to portray it as, but it was a matter of the Israelis aborting the mission after taking more casualties and losing more equipment than they expected...

Basically, it was a wake-up call for the IDF, that one of its regional adversaries had upgraded their capabilities, and that any next encounter would not be the 'cake-walk' to which the IDF had been accustomed to enjoying in recent times...

The Israelis will not make that mistake again, either...

If the IDF goes into that region again - as I'm sure seems likely at some point or another in the not-too-distant future - the outcome will overwhelmingly favor Israel...

Why?

Because the IDF will be prepared for a different kind of struggle, rather than a cakewalk...

Because the IDF will be freed to kill anything that moves, and most of that from the air, before the armor and infantry go in there...

So, let the anti-Israeli / pro-Palestinian / pro-Muslim crowd enjoy their one little pseudo-victory while they can...

God knows, they have soooooo little to cling to in that vein...

In their place, I, too, would be inclined to 'fluff-up' that pissant fighting-to-a-standstill and withdrawal sequence as an ass-whooping, to give my side some desperately-needed encouragement...

Not that that will matter a damn, come the Revanche...

One 'grudge-match' comin'-up, to a (war) theatre near you...

And Smart Vegas Money won't be on Hezbollah...

We Vietnam veterans know what it's like to "lose a war" because our leaders tied both hands behind our backs and ran the war thru the Oval Office. The IDF doesn't have a damn thing to be ashamed of in that war they "lost". Soldiers everywhere knew what was happening at the time. The generals had their hands tied.

 

[georgephillip]

The Jews didn't want the Litani.

By the time it makes the turn and heads west, how much water do you think it moves???

We are not taking nile, colorado or mississippi, you can wad across it.

How do people come up with these ideas?

"The Litani River flows not far from Israel. The nearest part of the Litani to Israel is where the river turns by Nabatiya, four kilometers from Israel's border. The river's proximity to Israel may make it even more tempting for Israel to exploit.

"The Litani River is 170 kilometers long, with a basin of 2,290 square kilometers. A narrow ridge about 5 kilometers wide separates the Litani from the Hasbani River, a tributary of the Jordan River.

"The Litani discharges approximately 580 million cubic meters (MCM) per year. (This is based on 25 years of measurements, from 1941-1971.) Its flow varies from year to year.

"The minimum was in 1970 at 184 MCM and the maximum in 1954 at 1020 MCM.(2) The estimated average annual flow of the Litani is 920 MCM.(3)

"The Litani is smaller than the Jordan in terms of its total flow.(4) The Litani has high quality water. In particular, its salinity level is 20 parts per million (compared with 250-350 parts per million for the Sea of Galilee)"

How do you?

ICE Cases: Litani River Dispute

 

[georgephillip]

I can see why the anti-Israel / pro-Palestinian / pro-Muslim crowd crows so loudly about the lackluster performance of the IDF during the 2006 punitive raid into southern Lebanon, and why they fixate so much on the so-called 'Litani River ass-whooping'...

Given that their battlefield victories (most of which other folks would call 'draws', at best) are so frigging few and far between...

They fail to mention that the Israeli cabinet intentionally hamstrung their own forces by insisting upon a close focus on avoiding collateral (civilian) casualties during field operations...

The Israelis have learned from that mistake - as all nations learn from their mistakes as these pertain to military field operations - and are unlikely to make the same mistake twice...

There is no escaping the fact that the Israelis hoped to conduct a Sweep-and-Clear running the entire length of the westward-running lower section of the Litani River, designed to destroy Hezbollah along that river valley and that the IDF aborted the mission partway through because their casualties were unexpectedly high...

This can be attributed to the Israelis being unprepared for substantial improvements in Hezbollah fighting capabilities in the last couple of years prior to that 2006 fracas...

Those improvements, in turn, can be attributed to Hezbollah receiving considerable assistance from Iran, in weapons shipments, combat and weapons training, and in supportive funding...

Basically, for the first time in its existence, Hezbollah actually held off an IDF assault...

It wasn't exactly the 'ass-whooping' that our colleague George likes to portray it as, but it was a matter of the Israelis aborting the mission after taking more casualties and losing more equipment than they expected...

Basically, it was a wake-up call for the IDF, that one of its regional adversaries had upgraded their capabilities, and that any next encounter would not be the 'cake-walk' to which the IDF had been accustomed to enjoying in recent times...

The Israelis will not make that mistake again, either...

If the IDF goes into that region again - as I'm sure seems likely at some point or another in the not-too-distant future - the outcome will overwhelmingly favor Israel...

Why?

Because the IDF will be prepared for a different kind of struggle, rather than a cakewalk...

Because the IDF will be freed to kill anything that moves, and most of that from the air, before the armor and infantry go in there...

So, let the anti-Israeli / pro-Palestinian / pro-Muslim crowd enjoy their one little pseudo-victory while they can...

God knows, they have soooooo little to cling to in that vein...

In their place, I, too, would be inclined to 'fluff-up' that pissant fighting-to-a-standstill and withdrawal sequence as an ass-whooping, to give my side some desperately-needed encouragement...

Not that that will matter a damn, come the Revanche...

One 'grudge-match' comin'-up, to a (war) theatre near you...

And Smart Vegas Money won't be on Hezbollah...

We Vietnam veterans know what it's like to "lose a war" because our leaders tied both hands behind our backs and ran the war thru the Oval Office. The IDF doesn't have a damn thing to be ashamed of in that war they "lost". Soldiers everywhere knew what was happening at the time. The generals had their hands tied.

It's a shame more of you Vietnam vets didn't notice how those millions of innocent civilians you maimed, murdered, raped, and displaced posed no threat to your homeland, isn't it?

 

[Hollie]

By the time it makes the turn and heads west, how much water do you think it moves???

We are not taking nile, colorado or mississippi, you can wad across it.

How do people come up with these ideas?

"The Litani River flows not far from Israel. The nearest part of the Litani to Israel is where the river turns by Nabatiya, four kilometers from Israel's border. The river's proximity to Israel may make it even more tempting for Israel to exploit.

"The Litani River is 170 kilometers long, with a basin of 2,290 square kilometers. A narrow ridge about 5 kilometers wide separates the Litani from the Hasbani River, a tributary of the Jordan River.
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"The Litani discharges approximately 580 million cubic meters (MCM) per year. (This is based on 25 years of measurements, from 1941-1971.) Its flow varies from year to year.

"The minimum was in 1970 at 184 MCM and the maximum in 1954 at 1020 MCM.(2) The estimated average annual flow of the Litani is 920 MCM.(3)

"The Litani is smaller than the Jordan in terms of its total flow.(4) The Litani has high quality water. In particular, its salinity level is 20 parts per million (compared with 250-350 parts per million for the Sea of Galilee)"

How do you?

ICE Cases: Litani River Dispute

That was a lovely cut and paste on fun facts regarding the Litani river. It was for what purpose?

 

[Phoenall]

By the time it makes the turn and heads west, how much water do you think it moves???

We are not taking nile, colorado or mississippi, you can wad across it.

How do people come up with these ideas?

"The Litani River flows not far from Israel. The nearest part of the Litani to Israel is where the river turns by Nabatiya, four kilometers from Israel's border. The river's proximity to Israel may make it even more tempting for Israel to exploit.

"The Litani River is 170 kilometers long, with a basin of 2,290 square kilometers. A narrow ridge about 5 kilometers wide separates the Litani from the Hasbani River, a tributary of the Jordan River.

"The Litani discharges approximately 580 million cubic meters (MCM) per year. (This is based on 25 years of measurements, from 1941-1971.) Its flow varies from year to year.

"The minimum was in 1970 at 184 MCM and the maximum in 1954 at 1020 MCM.(2) The estimated average annual flow of the Litani is 920 MCM.(3)

"The Litani is smaller than the Jordan in terms of its total flow.(4) The Litani has high quality water. In particular, its salinity level is 20 parts per million (compared with 250-350 parts per million for the Sea of Galilee)"

How do you?

ICE Cases: Litani River Dispute

So then relatively little of that water could be tapped of for commercial use, maybe the 80 MCM . Any more than that and you would start to have an effect on the water production with possible watercourse changes. It would also have an effect on the water quality raising the salinity and the chemical content to dangerous levels.

Just another conspiracy theory that has no basis in fact or reality

 

[aris2chat]

"The Litani River flows not far from Israel. The nearest part of the Litani to Israel is where the river turns by Nabatiya, four kilometers from Israel's border. The river's proximity to Israel may make it even more tempting for Israel to exploit.

"The Litani River is 170 kilometers long, with a basin of 2,290 square kilometers. A narrow ridge about 5 kilometers wide separates the Litani from the Hasbani River, a tributary of the Jordan River.

"The Litani discharges approximately 580 million cubic meters (MCM) per year. (This is based on 25 years of measurements, from 1941-1971.) Its flow varies from year to year.

"The minimum was in 1970 at 184 MCM and the maximum in 1954 at 1020 MCM.(2) The estimated average annual flow of the Litani is 920 MCM.(3)

"The Litani is smaller than the Jordan in terms of its total flow.(4) The Litani has high quality water. In particular, its salinity level is 20 parts per million (compared with 250-350 parts per million for the Sea of Galilee)"

How do you?

ICE Cases: Litani River Dispute

So then relatively little of that water could be tapped of for commercial use, maybe the 80 MCM . Any more than that and you would start to have an effect on the water production with possible watercourse changes. It would also have an effect on the water quality raising the salinity and the chemical content to dangerous levels.

Just another conspiracy theory that has no basis in fact or reality

Ah, but that is mountain snow and spring water that is so crisp and sweet.................
and yet Lebanese need to filter their water to remove sand and grit and/or buy bottled spring water. Water from the tap for most, especially in and around Beirut was a foggy brown. I rather expect it is not quite as bad now.

 

[georgephillip]

"The Litani River flows not far from Israel. The nearest part of the Litani to Israel is where the river turns by Nabatiya, four kilometers from Israel's border. The river's proximity to Israel may make it even more tempting for Israel to exploit.

"The Litani River is 170 kilometers long, with a basin of 2,290 square kilometers. A narrow ridge about 5 kilometers wide separates the Litani from the Hasbani River, a tributary of the Jordan River.

"The Litani discharges approximately 580 million cubic meters (MCM) per year. (This is based on 25 years of measurements, from 1941-1971.) Its flow varies from year to year.

"The minimum was in 1970 at 184 MCM and the maximum in 1954 at 1020 MCM.(2) The estimated average annual flow of the Litani is 920 MCM.(3)

"The Litani is smaller than the Jordan in terms of its total flow.(4) The Litani has high quality water. In particular, its salinity level is 20 parts per million (compared with 250-350 parts per million for the Sea of Galilee)"

How do you?

ICE Cases: Litani River Dispute

So then relatively little of that water could be tapped of for commercial use, maybe the 80 MCM . Any more than that and you would start to have an effect on the water production with possible watercourse changes. It would also have an effect on the water quality raising the salinity and the chemical content to dangerous levels.

Just another conspiracy theory that has no basis in fact or reality