Wikileak'd video shows eager-to-kill troops firing on Reuters reporters and children

[geauxtohell]

You didn't say it was impossible but you made it clear you thought it was not possible:

Does this statement make any ******* sense to anyone else?

 

[geauxtohell]

My exact thoughts also when I saw that.
I always sit these out until after all of the 4th string rec league QBing comments come out.
Tactics are taught and mastered but the root skill first reaction in all of our combat troops is Kill or Be Killed. When the other guy has the same thing on his mind WTF is wrong with our guys being first on the trigger? Friendlies, civies getting shot when it is on rock and roll?
In a shooting war it is going to happen sooner or later. It is part of it.
I am damn proud to live in a country where some young person goes ten thousand miles away and has the courage to do it.
Next time you others are quick to judge remember these soldiers have families and are real people. You are always scared shitless when it starts. These soldiers are no different.

Yes indeed I feel for both the soldiers and the families and the years of anguish they will suffer as a result of experiences such as these ,they also are victims

While I stand by what I said earlier about them being prosecuted I am torn in how to approach solutions overall. They did not follow the EOF within the ROE and this was not in a split second firefight like Haditha. Anyone who has been in a combat zone can recognize stress levels in communications and these guys were not stressed. They were not in a "kill or be killed" situation and the ground unit they were flying cover for were not under fire.

They did not make a positive enemy ID. Early on we hear a pilot ask if there are any of our guys in that area and that was the deciding factor. Why? Because in that environment you can't tell who is enemy or friendly which is why the EOF in ROE needs the upmost respect. There were Iraqi cops close enough to take the kids to the hospital and the ground unit was not on a time sensitive mission. This was a patrol that got way out of hand and we can't keep excusing this behavior based on them being sent.

Oh, so you do think they violated the ROE and should be prosecuted?

 

[SFC Ollie]

You didn't say it was impossible but you made it clear you thought it was not possible:

Does this statement make any ******* sense to anyone else?

It's from Bentlight, what do you think?

 

[CurveLight]

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

warning shots from a 30mm cannon.....typical left wing loon garbage. When you're engaging a heavily armed enemy you shoot to kill....if they move after you've shot them...shoot them again until they stop moving.

It gets done with the 30mm you dumfuk.

Wrong dumb ass *****....those are exploding rounds filled with anti personnel shrapnel or specifically designed to fragment into many pieces to KILL ANYTHING within a certain range...that's why in the video you see a round hit about 5 feet away from the heavily armed terrorist and he dropped like a sack of potatos...more than likely caused by his head intercepting a large piece of lead....

What were they supposed to do when they fired a warning shot...shoot into a house a few blocks away?

The more you post...the stupider everyone thinks you are....just shut up until you come back into reality.

I already posted a link showing it has been used to fire warning shots you dumfuk. What else you got? If you look at the video you can see open areas around the group.....there was plenty of room to pop off a couple of shots.

 

[CurveLight]

It gets done with the 30mm you dumfuk.

Wrong dumb ass *****....those are exploding rounds filled with anti personnel shrapnel or specifically designed to fragment into many pieces to KILL ANYTHING within a certain range...that's why in the video you see a round hit about 5 feet away from the heavily armed terrorist and he dropped like a sack of potatos...more than likely caused by his head intercepting a large piece of lead....

What were they supposed to do when they fired a warning shot...shoot into a house a few blocks away?

The more you post...the stupider everyone thinks you are....just shut up until you come back into reality.

I am a bit tired right now , but for some reason I just can't think of any reason these pilots would have wanted to fire a warning shot? So the insurgents could take cover? WTF.

Because they couldn't positively ID them as the enemy you dumfuk. I suppose in your twisted mind it's better to just kill people when you can't verify who they are.

 

[CurveLight]

You didn't say it was impossible but you made it clear you thought it was not possible:

Does this statement make any ******* sense to anyone else?

Good job on editing my post to remove your own words that you are now running from like the pure cowardly **** you keep proving to be.

 

[CurveLight]

Yes indeed I feel for both the soldiers and the families and the years of anguish they will suffer as a result of experiences such as these ,they also are victims

While I stand by what I said earlier about them being prosecuted I am torn in how to approach solutions overall. They did not follow the EOF within the ROE and this was not in a split second firefight like Haditha. Anyone who has been in a combat zone can recognize stress levels in communications and these guys were not stressed. They were not in a "kill or be killed" situation and the ground unit they were flying cover for were not under fire.

They did not make a positive enemy ID. Early on we hear a pilot ask if there are any of our guys in that area and that was the deciding factor. Why? Because in that environment you can't tell who is enemy or friendly which is why the EOF in ROE needs the upmost respect. There were Iraqi cops close enough to take the kids to the hospital and the ground unit was not on a time sensitive mission. This was a patrol that got way out of hand and we can't keep excusing this behavior based on them being sent.

Oh, so you do think they violated the ROE and should be prosecuted?

I said that well over 300 posts ago. Way to keep up dumass!

 

[SFC Ollie]

Wrong dumb ass *****....those are exploding rounds filled with anti personnel shrapnel or specifically designed to fragment into many pieces to KILL ANYTHING within a certain range...that's why in the video you see a round hit about 5 feet away from the heavily armed terrorist and he dropped like a sack of potatos...more than likely caused by his head intercepting a large piece of lead....

What were they supposed to do when they fired a warning shot...shoot into a house a few blocks away?

The more you post...the stupider everyone thinks you are....just shut up until you come back into reality.

I am a bit tired right now , but for some reason I just can't think of any reason these pilots would have wanted to fire a warning shot? So the insurgents could take cover? WTF.

Because they couldn't positively ID them as the enemy you dumfuk. I suppose in your twisted mind it's better to just kill people when you can't verify who they are.

They positively identified at least 2 AK47's and identified one person crouching behind a building and pointing what appeared to be a RPG at infantry troops a block away. Sorry for them but that is as positive as you need to be when troops lives are in the balance.

Why is it everyone who disagrees with you is a dumfuk? And just what is a dumfuk anyway? I mean we understand that you are one dumb ******, but ; never mind.

 

[CurveLight]

I am a bit tired right now , but for some reason I just can't think of any reason these pilots would have wanted to fire a warning shot? So the insurgents could take cover? WTF.

Because they couldn't positively ID them as the enemy you dumfuk. I suppose in your twisted mind it's better to just kill people when you can't verify who they are.

They positively identified at least 2 AK47's and identified one person crouching behind a building and pointing what appeared to be a RPG at infantry troops a block away. Sorry for them but that is as positive as you need to be when troops lives are in the balance.

Why is it everyone who disagrees with you is a dumfuk? And just what is a dumfuk anyway? I mean we understand that you are one dumb ******, but ; never mind.

They did not positively ID them as enemies. That is why this is such a huge issue. Dumfuk.

 

[geauxtohell]

Because they couldn't positively ID them as the enemy you dumfuk. I suppose in your twisted mind it's better to just kill people when you can't verify who they are.

They positively identified at least 2 AK47's and identified one person crouching behind a building and pointing what appeared to be a RPG at infantry troops a block away. Sorry for them but that is as positive as you need to be when troops lives are in the balance.

Why is it everyone who disagrees with you is a dumfuk? And just what is a dumfuk anyway? I mean we understand that you are one dumb ******, but ; never mind.

They did not positively ID them as enemies. That is why this is such a huge issue. Dumfuk.

Hey shit for brains, it's not a "huge" issue because the pilots were cleared in two 15-6 investigations.

You can ***** about it all you want. Your opinion on the matter is meaningless. The matter doesn't suddenly become "criminal" because it's goes in front of the American public.

 

[geauxtohell]

While I stand by what I said earlier about them being prosecuted I am torn in how to approach solutions overall. They did not follow the EOF within the ROE and this was not in a split second firefight like Haditha. Anyone who has been in a combat zone can recognize stress levels in communications and these guys were not stressed. They were not in a "kill or be killed" situation and the ground unit they were flying cover for were not under fire.

They did not make a positive enemy ID. Early on we hear a pilot ask if there are any of our guys in that area and that was the deciding factor. Why? Because in that environment you can't tell who is enemy or friendly which is why the EOF in ROE needs the upmost respect. There were Iraqi cops close enough to take the kids to the hospital and the ground unit was not on a time sensitive mission. This was a patrol that got way out of hand and we can't keep excusing this behavior based on them being sent.

Oh, so you do think they violated the ROE and should be prosecuted?

I said that well over 300 posts ago. Way to keep up dumass!

How did they specifically violate the ROE?

 

[geauxtohell]

You didn't say it was impossible but you made it clear you thought it was not possible:

Does this statement make any ******* sense to anyone else?

Good job on editing my post to remove your own words that you are now running from like the pure cowardly **** you keep proving to be.

My words are still there for anyone that cares to scroll back and see them. I was just more amused at your idiotic statement.

 

[CurveLight]

Does this statement make any ******* sense to anyone else?

Good job on editing my post to remove your own words that you are now running from like the pure cowardly **** you keep proving to be.

My words are still there for anyone that cares to scroll back and see them. I was just more amused at your idiotic statement.

Editing out your words changes the meaning of my post...but you knew that which is exactly why dishonest cowards like you are bitches.

 

[CurveLight]

Oh, so you do think they violated the ROE and should be prosecuted?

I said that well over 300 posts ago. Way to keep up dumass!

How did they specifically violate the ROE?

You just proved you will edit my posts to suit your needs. If an honest person asks I will gladly answer.

 

[geauxtohell]

I said that well over 300 posts ago. Way to keep up dumass!

How did they specifically violate the ROE?

You just proved you will edit my posts to suit your needs. If an honest person asks I will gladly answer.

You are such a chickenshit. Fine, I'll post around you.

 

[CurveLight]

How did they specifically violate the ROE?

You just proved you will edit my posts to suit your needs. If an honest person asks I will gladly answer.

You are such a chickenshit. Fine, I'll post around you.

Lol...it would be pretty stoopid to expect honesty from you after you just proved your dishonesty. It's not being chickenshit to point out you're a dishonest ****.

 

[CurveLight]

They positively identified at least 2 AK47's and identified one person crouching behind a building and pointing what appeared to be a RPG at infantry troops a block away. Sorry for them but that is as positive as you need to be when troops lives are in the balance.

Why is it everyone who disagrees with you is a dumfuk? And just what is a dumfuk anyway? I mean we understand that you are one dumb ******, but ; never mind.

They did not positively ID them as enemies. That is why this is such a huge issue. Dumfuk.

Hey shit for brains, it's not a "huge" issue because the pilots were cleared in two 15-6 investigations.

You can ***** about it all you want. Your opinion on the matter is meaningless. The matter doesn't suddenly become "criminal" because it's goes in front of the American public.

My opinion carries enough weight that it scares you into rewriting my posts to fit your desires.

 

[geauxtohell]

I am a bit tired right now , but for some reason I just can't think of any reason these pilots would have wanted to fire a warning shot? So the insurgents could take cover? WTF.

Because they couldn't positively ID them as the enemy you dumfuk. I suppose in your twisted mind it's better to just kill people when you can't verify who they are.

They positively identified at least 2 AK47's and identified one person crouching behind a building and pointing what appeared to be a RPG at infantry troops a block away. Sorry for them but that is as positive as you need to be when troops lives are in the balance.

Why is it everyone who disagrees with you is a dumfuk? And just what is a dumfuk anyway? I mean we understand that you are one dumb ******, but ; never mind.

This is like trying to explain quantum physics to a pre-schooler. CL doesn't understand the ROE and continually makes idiotic statements that in no way reflect any sort of operational reality. He seems to be under the illusions that the pilots have to wait for suspected insurgents to engage/kill soldiers before they can fire on them (thus negating the role of CAS) or that they should utilize their magic powers to discern who is and isn't bad. He has failed to read/comprehend the 15-6 that fully explains the situation on the ground, that details that Bushmaster had been in contact and when crazyhorse checked on, they were actively looking for elements that were attacking bushmaster or might be trying to re-inforce.

He has claims that he has some special knowledge of these types of situations, but in reality he was a REMF that has never remotely even been in a situation like this.

He's an angry little man, so when his stupidity is pointed out, he responds in an angry manner.

 

[geauxtohell]

They did not positively ID them as enemies. That is why this is such a huge issue. Dumfuk.

Hey shit for brains, it's not a "huge" issue because the pilots were cleared in two 15-6 investigations.

You can ***** about it all you want. Your opinion on the matter is meaningless. The matter doesn't suddenly become "criminal" because it's goes in front of the American public.

My opinion carries enough weight that it scares you into rewriting my posts to fit your desires.

I didn't re-write shit, you **** wit. Nor did I change the context of your post by editing it.

Your opinion is irrelevant on the matter. (Just as it is on the 9-11 issue). Thus, you are relegated to standing in the corner and throwing a hissy fit.

 

[CurveLight]

Because they couldn't positively ID them as the enemy you dumfuk. I suppose in your twisted mind it's better to just kill people when you can't verify who they are.

They positively identified at least 2 AK47's and identified one person crouching behind a building and pointing what appeared to be a RPG at infantry troops a block away. Sorry for them but that is as positive as you need to be when troops lives are in the balance.

Why is it everyone who disagrees with you is a dumfuk? And just what is a dumfuk anyway? I mean we understand that you are one dumb ******, but ; never mind.

This is like trying to explain quantum physics to a pre-schooler. CL doesn't understand the ROE and continually makes idiotic statements that in no way reflect any sort of operational reality. He seems to be under the illusions that the pilots have to wait for suspected insurgents to engage/kill soldiers before they can fire on them (thus negating the role of CAS) or that they should utilize their magic powers to discern who is and isn't bad. He has failed to read/comprehend the 15-6 that fully explains the situation on the ground, that details that Bushmaster had been in contact and when crazyhorse checked on, they were actively looking for elements that were attacking bushmaster or might be trying to re-inforce.

He has claims that he has some special knowledge of these types of situations, but in reality he was a REMF that has never remotely even been in a situation like this.

He's an angry little man, so when his stupidity is pointed out, he responds in an angry manner.

From my post #116

"I know it pisses people off they can't ignore my opinion based on the "you have not been there" defense and I'm guessing some are so desperately pathetic they will accuse me of lying. It only shows the depths of your denial."

'nuff said.