Why Would US Give a War Guarantee -- to Finland?

[excalibur]

So true. This is the War Party of Washington at work. That is why they hated Trump, there was no money in it for them with Trump around.

Insanity rules the day. Ukraine, Finland, Sweden, back into Somalia. Do any of you who don't get it finally get it now?

Seeing Russia invade Ukraine, historically neutral Finland has undergone a late conversion and decided to join NATO immediately.

Why? Because NATO membership means the world's strongest power, the United States, under Article 5 of NATO, would go to war against Russia, should it cross Finland's border.

Nervous about Russian President Vladimir Putin's intentions, Finland wants America legally and morally bound to fight Russia on its behalf, should Putin invade Finland as he invaded Ukraine.

From the Finnish point of view, this is perfectly understandable.

But why would the United States consent to go to war with Russia, the largest nuclear power on earth, for violating Finland's frontiers?

Finland is not Alaska; it is not Canada; it is 5,000 miles away. And no one ever asserted during the Cold War, or for the decades since, that Finland was a U.S. vital interest. Why, then, would we consent, in advance, to go to war with Russia over Finland?

President Joe Biden said last week that NATO has an "open door" policy and Finland and Sweden are welcome, and he looks forward to their joining.


Consider what Biden is actually saying and doing here. He is ceding to Finland, a country of 5.5 million people with an 830-mile border with Putin's Russia, the right to obligate the United States of America to go to war with Russia, if Russia attacks Finland.

What patriot would commit his own country, in perpetuity, to go to war on behalf of another country not his own?

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Why Would US Give a War Guarantee -- to Finland?, by Patrick Buchanan

Seeing Russia invade Ukraine, historically neutral Finland has undergone a late conversion and decided to join NATO immediately. Why? Because NATO membership means the world's strongest power, the United States, under Article 5 of NATO, would go to war against Russia, should it cross Finland's...

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[Big Bend Texas]

So true. This is the War Party of Washington at work. That is why they hated Trump, there was no money in it for them with Trump around.

Insanity rules the day. Ukraine, Finland, Sweden, back into Somalia. Do any of you who don't get it finally get it now?

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Seeing Russia invade Ukraine, historically neutral Finland has undergone a late conversion and decided to join NATO immediately.​

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Why? Because NATO membership means the world's strongest power, the United States, under Article 5 of NATO, would go to war against Russia, should it cross Finland's border.​

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Nervous about Russian President Vladimir Putin's intentions, Finland wants America legally and morally bound to fight Russia on its behalf, should Putin invade Finland as he invaded Ukraine.​

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From the Finnish point of view, this is perfectly understandable.​

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But why would the United States consent to go to war with Russia, the largest nuclear power on earth, for violating Finland's frontiers?​

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Finland is not Alaska; it is not Canada; it is 5,000 miles away. And no one ever asserted during the Cold War, or for the decades since, that Finland was a U.S. vital interest. Why, then, would we consent, in advance, to go to war with Russia over Finland?​

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President Joe Biden said last week that NATO has an "open door" policy and Finland and Sweden are welcome, and he looks forward to their joining.​

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Consider what Biden is actually saying and doing here. He is ceding to Finland, a country of 5.5 million people with an 830-mile border with Putin's Russia, the right to obligate the United States of America to go to war with Russia, if Russia attacks Finland.​

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What patriot would commit his own country, in perpetuity, to go to war on behalf of another country not his own?​

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Why Would US Give a War Guarantee -- to Finland?, by Patrick Buchanan

Seeing Russia invade Ukraine, historically neutral Finland has undergone a late conversion and decided to join NATO immediately. Why? Because NATO membership means the world's strongest power, the United States, under Article 5 of NATO, would go to war against Russia, should it cross Finland's...

www.creators.com

NATO is the vaccine that prevents Russian outbreaks.

NATO membership absolutely does not guarantee war.

 

[Esdraelon]

NATO membership absolutely does not guarantee war.

There was a dedicated interest in getting Ukraine "into the club" a few years back. IMAGINE where we'd be today had they succeeded. Putin is EVIL and so are those that support him but not ONE European life is worth the loss of my wife or daughter, let alone my entire nation...

 

[Big Bend Texas]

There was a dedicated interest in getting Ukraine "into the club" a few years back. IMAGINE where we'd be today had they succeeded. Putin is EVIL and so are those that support him but not ONE European life is worth the loss of my wife or daughter, let alone my entire nation...

If Ukraine has become a NATO member Putin would never have invaded.

In it's entire history Russia has not invaded a NATO Member Nation because he knows his forces would be utterly destroyed.

 

[excalibur]

Yeah, let's guarantee the safety of every nation that asks by automatically going to war if one of them has their border violated.

The dumb is strong with some. And they will never learn, even in a smoking crater that once was their home.

There is a long history between Russia and Ukraine and that is why it should be none of our business. But plenty of weapons to be sold on the black market now and plenty of money laundering on our taxpayer's backs.

 

[excalibur]

There was a dedicated interest in getting Ukraine "into the club" a few years back. IMAGINE where we'd be today had they succeeded. Putin is EVIL and so are those that support him but not ONE European life is worth the loss of my wife or daughter, let alone my entire nation...

There really are people as stupid as that poster. Never-ending war with American involvement.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Yeah, let's guarantee the safety of every nation that asks by automatically going to war if one of them has their border violated.

The dumb is strong with some. And they will never learn, even in a smoking crater that once was their home.

There is a long history between Russia and Ukraine and that is why it should be none of our business. But plenty of weapons to be sold on the black market now and plenty of money laundering on our taxpayer's backs.

Russia has never invaded any NATO Member Nation and it isn't going to start now.

That would only ensure their complete destruction.

 

[toobfreak]

So true. This is the War Party of Washington at work. That is why they hated Trump, there was no money in it for them with Trump around. Insanity rules the day. Ukraine, Finland, Sweden, back into Somalia.

I'd be happy if Joe would just do one thing for once that didn't kick America right in the nutsack! But then, I realize a piece of shit globalist commie like Joe Biden could never have been actually elected by the people here in any sort of free and fair election, and to those that still doubt that 2020 was a fraud election installing a political coup, I offer the most damning irrepressable proof of them all:


THIS

 

[Sunni Man]

Wars and conflicts between European countries has been going on for centuries.
America's founding fathers expressly spoke about not getting involved in foreign entanglements.
Russia's invasion into Ukraine in no way threatens America's security.
We should withdraw our NATO membership and let Europe solve its problems without us.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Wars and conflicts between European countries has been going on for centuries.
America's founding fathers expressly spoke about not getting involved in foreign entanglements.
Russia's invasion into Ukraine in no way threatens America's security.
We should withdraw our NATO membership and let Europe solve its problems without us.

That thinking proved disastrous before both world wars.

Isolationism means one day you find yourself surrounded by enemies on your borders with no allies.

 

[theHawk]

NATO is the vaccine that prevents Russian outbreaks.

NATO membership absolutely does not guarantee war.

Like in Ukraine?

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Like in Ukraine?

Ukraine isn't a member of NATO nitwit.

 

[MisterBeale]

The US would have to convince Turkey first. Turkey is pissed at Finland and Sweden for sheltering Kurds. NATO membership requires unanimous consent.

Why Turkey isn’t on board with Finland, Sweden joining NATO – and why that matters​

Why Turkey isn’t on board with Finland, Sweden joining NATO – and why that matters

Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan is against allowing two Nordic countries to join NATO over what he deems their support of ‘terrorists.’ His opposition will test the alliance’s unity.

theconversation.com

". . . Finland and Sweden are neutral countries not beholden to the strategic compromises that the United States and NATO are forced to make to hold the alliance together. Both Scandinavian countries have to date been free to take a moral position on Turkey’s position on Kurdish rights and have officially protested the repressions of dissidents, academics, journalists and minority groups.

Meanwhile, NATO countries have equivocated before their fellow member, agreeing to label the PKK a terrorist organization.

So where does this all leave Finland and Sweden’s application for NATO membership?

The rules for entry into the strategic alliance require unanimity of the current NATO members.

As such, Turkey can effectively veto the entry of Finland and Sweden.. . "

 

[MisterBeale]

Ukraine isn't a member of NATO nitwit.

. . . and I seriously doubt it ever will become one now, given the trouble it is giving to all of Europe.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

The US would have to convince Turkey first. Turkey is pissed at Finland and Sweden for sheltering Kurds. NATO membership requires unanimous consent.

Why Turkey isn’t on board with Finland, Sweden joining NATO – and why that matters​

Why Turkey isn’t on board with Finland, Sweden joining NATO – and why that matters

Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan is against allowing two Nordic countries to join NATO over what he deems their support of ‘terrorists.’ His opposition will test the alliance’s unity.

theconversation.com

". . . Finland and Sweden are neutral countries not beholden to the strategic compromises that the United States and NATO are forced to make to hold the alliance together. Both Scandinavian countries have to date been free to take a moral position on Turkey’s position on Kurdish rights and have officially protested the repressions of dissidents, academics, journalists and minority groups.

Meanwhile, NATO countries have equivocated before their fellow member, agreeing to label the PKK a terrorist organization.

So where does this all leave Finland and Sweden’s application for NATO membership?

The rules for entry into the strategic alliance require unanimity of the current NATO members.

As such, Turkey can effectively veto the entry of Finland and Sweden.. . "

Turkey is playing both ends against the middle.

If Sweden and Finland Join NATO they can no longer claim neutrality.

Unlike Turkey, they are getting off the fence.

Turkey has deep economic ties to Russia even though they are geopolitical adversaries.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

. . . and I seriously doubt it ever will become one now, given the trouble it is giving to all of Europe.

Ukraine isn't the problem.

 

[MisterBeale]

I'd be happy if Joe would just do one thing for once that didn't kick America right in the nutsack! But then, I realize a piece of shit globalist commie like Joe Biden could never have been actually elected by the people here in any sort of free and fair election, and to those that still doubt that 2020 was a fraud election installing a political coup, I offer the most damning irrepressable proof of them all:


THIS
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Agreed.

I am not even sure he knows what he is doing his mind is so far gone now.. . . .

 

[TeeDub]

Yeah, let's guarantee the safety of every nation that asks by automatically going to war if one of them has their border violated.

The dumb is strong with some. And they will never learn, even in a smoking crater that once was their home.

There is a long history between Russia and Ukraine and that is why it should be none of our business. But plenty of weapons to be sold on the black market now and plenty of money laundering on our taxpayer's backs.

I wonder what percent Hunter gets for the weapons?

 

[MisterBeale]

Turkey is playing both ends against the middle.

If Sweden and Finland Join NATO they can no longer claim neutrality.

Unlike Turkey, they are getting off the fence.

Turkey has deep economic ties to Russia even though they are geopolitical adversaries.

Turkey isn't on the fence, it has the largest military in NATO except for the US.

It WILL get numerous concessions, from both NATO, and those shit-lib Scandinavian nations, if those Nordic nations want to get in. . .

Those are just the facts.

Those northern nations will stop being a "safe-haven," for Kurdish terrorists. . . . and will get on board with the rest of Europe.

 

[MisterBeale]

Ukraine isn't the problem.

The problem is not only Ukraine, it is all the global elites.

They don't talk to each other, and they all have the mentality that it is still the 19th century. They don't work with each other, they only seek to conquer.

They think like you do.