Why Won't Democrats Investigate Joe Biden's Quid Pro Quo with Ukraine?

[Kondor3]

Why Won't Democrats Investigate Joe Biden's Quid Pro Quo with Ukraine?

Hmmmm... because Old Joe is not a sitting President of the United States, accused of Abuse of Power?

Hell... investigate Old Joe too... lock him up for all I care... AFTER we sort-out the Trump 'abuse' thing.

While I agree with the sentiment that anyone who commits crimes or abuses office should be held accountable, I caution against starting investigations without suitable predicate.

Investigations begun without just cause are what we see in places with no rule of law.

There is no evidence that Joe Biden has committed any crime. There is no call to investigate him.

Agreed.

I'm merely doing my little part to defuse the simple-minded courter-argument that Biden et al are un-touchable in this context.

Like I said, investigate, indict, try, convict and punish, for all I care.

So long as it's all done according to The Law and in good faith.

Naturally, if the legal basis (probable cause, etc.) for launching an investigation does not exist, then that would be the end of it.

But I'm perfectly happy to put that to the test, in full view of the American Voting Public.

 

[busybee01]

Because he didn’t seek personal benefit. He was working in the nation’s interest and was fully supported by the State Department in his open and transparent actions. Moron.

Oh! "The "nation's interest"?! What a joke. Was it in the "nation's interest" to shut down an investigation into the company that had recently hired Biden's son by firing the chief prosecutor? When is the last time the American government meddled so deeply into a foreign government's affairs as to extort the firing of a prosecutor? Hey? And, actually, a State Department official raised concerns about the Biden-Burisma connection, but Team Biden blew it off. And if Biden was merely acting in the "nation's interest," why has he lied about not discussing Hunter's Burisma dealings with him?

There was no open investigation of Burisma. It had been shut down BEFORE Biden came to Ukraine. The reason we meddled was because we did not want American tax dollars lost to corruption. The State Department official says he was concerned about the appearance of impropriety. He has never claimed that either Hunter Biden or Joe Biden were doing anything wrong.

 

[busybee01]

When all is said and done, Biden and his staff and son would rather you focus on Ukraine then notice his stance on China is bought and paid for by China=he was compromised. WHAT PEOPLE MISS especially the news media, is that our China negotiations on trade were affected by Bidens compromising position, as China delayed deals in hopes of having a shot at their paid puppet taking office. Now that those hopes are fading China is ready to make a deal, go figure.
That makes Biden's dealings with China worse then his open admission about Ukraine. MUCH WORSE!

Change the subject. There is nothing there either.

 

[busybee01]

Because he didn’t seek personal benefit. He was working in the nation’s interest and was fully supported by the State Department in his open and transparent actions.


Moron.

Joe Biden received personal benefit , QUID PRO QUO when he threatened, (and we DO have this on tape ) to withhold funds from Ukraine.

Moron? Really?

nice way to interact with members...

Yes. Moron. If you believe that Joe Biden acted for personal benefit with regard to forcing Ukraine to shitcan their corrupt and ineffective prosecutor....and the ******* GOP led committees in congress did nothing about it when they had the power to subpoena him for hearings, you are a moron.

You do know that the fired Ukrainian prosecutor had opened an investigation into Burisma, the energy company which Biden's son was receiving payment. right?

"Shokin told Solomon and ABC News, and swore in a deposition, that he was fired because he would not stop the Burisma probe. “In fact, Shokin alleges, he was making plans to interview Hunter Biden about his Burisma work and payments when he got the axe.”

Biden-Burisma Scandal Deepens; Hunter Biden, Burisma Tied To Obama State Dept.

If that was quid pro quo on Joe Biden's part, I don't know what is. Are they not telling you about this shit on CNN, MSNBC, or whatever news you're watching?

A corrupt prosecutor is going to tell the truth? I think not.

 

[busybee01]

Because he didn’t seek personal benefit. He was working in the nation’s interest and was fully supported by the State Department in his open and transparent actions.


Moron.

Joe Biden received personal benefit , QUID PRO QUO when he threatened, (and we DO have this on tape ) to withhold funds from Ukraine.

Moron? Really?

nice way to interact with members...

Yes. Moron. If you believe that Joe Biden acted for personal benefit with regard to forcing Ukraine to shitcan their corrupt and ineffective prosecutor....and the ******* GOP led committees in congress did nothing about it when they had the power to subpoena him for hearings, you are a moron.

You do know that the fired Ukrainian prosecutor had opened an investigation into Burisma, the energy company which Biden's son was receiving payment. right?

"Shokin told Solomon and ABC News, and swore in a deposition, that he was fired because he would not stop the Burisma probe. “In fact, Shokin alleges, he was making plans to interview Hunter Biden about his Burisma work and payments when he got the axe.”

Biden-Burisma Scandal Deepens; Hunter Biden, Burisma Tied To Obama State Dept.

If that was quid pro quo on Joe Biden's part, I don't know what is. Are they not telling you about this shit on CNN, MSNBC, or whatever news you're watching?

Nope. We wanted that prosecutor fired because he was not effectively prosecuting corruption. Even in the Burisma case.

Sorry. Biden is clean here.

Moron.

Biden is corrupt to the core.

Trump is the corrupt one.

 

[Third Party]

Joe Biden publicly, on video, stated that in 2016 he threatened Ukraine with the loss of $1 billion in loan guarantees if Ukraine didn't fire its chief prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, who was in charge of the investigation into the Ukrainian company Burisma. After the investigation into Burisma began, Burisma hired the totally unqualified Hunter Biden for the whopping salary of $50K per month. Hunter Biden, by his own admission, had no qualifications for the job. In response to Joe Biden's threat to withhold $1 billion in loan guarantees, the Ukrainian government fired Shokin, and the next prosecutor obligingly and quickly exonerated Burisma.

Democrats and some phony conservatives argue that technically Shokin was not investigating Burisma at the time because the investigation was supposedly "dormant." First off, Shokin himself has debunked that claim--he says the investigation was not dormant. But, even if it had been, a "dormant" investigation is still an investigation, not a closed one. As Marc Thiessen has pointed out,

First, the phrase "dormant" means, by definition, that an investigation into Burisma existed and was not closed. Second, we don't know for certain that the Burisma investigation was, in fact, "dormant." Shokin has sworn in an affidavit it was not. (Why is the media bending over backward to absolve the Bidens of wrongdoing? | Marc Thiessen)​

Let's recap: Shokin opens an investigation into Burisma. Burisma hires Hunter Biden. Joe Biden comes to Ukraine and threatens to withhold $1 billion in loan guarantees if Shokin is not fired. Poroshenko caves into Biden's threat and fired Shokin. The next prosecutor quickly exonerates Burisma, which employs Hunter Biden. Now, what do you call that? Hey? What is that? Quid Pro Quo, that's what it is.

So why won't Democrats investigate this shady episode? And why are they upset because Trump wants Ukraine to look into this shady series of events? Why did Biden lie about not discussing his son's Burisma dealings with him? Why have so many documents and other evidence emerged that plainly contradict Biden's story?

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Who says he is unqualified. Generally a Board of Directors does not run the company. They can be picked for their name. There is nothing illegal. The fact is that the investigation had been closed. Shokin was a corrupt prosecutor who refused to root out corruption. The international community knew it and the head of the IMF expressed the same doubts about sending money to Trump. Ukrainians knew it as there were large protests against Shokin. This is a tweet from a Ukrainian who has fought corruption in Ukraine.
Thank you @OliverBullough - indeed it’s insane to use UKRAINE as a ball at the AMERICAN national political field. Prosecutor Shokin did not open the case on Zlochevskyi & Burisma. He dumped it. And he was fired for being corrupt and failing prosecution reform @kenvogel

Shokin had closed the case against Burisma BEFORE Biden came to Ukraine. I know you Trump toadies will continue to lie about it as long as Biden leads Trump in the polls.

The fact is there is not a shred of evidence of anything shady. Just because you clowns say there is does not make it so. There has to be some evidence to open a investigation. It does not have to meet a beyond reasonable doubt standard but there has to be evidence. You do not open a investigation just to open a investigation.

Neither Hunter nor Trump did anything wrong. This is just the results of two parties that hate each other in a death match. THIS is why we need a third party-the competition would straighten their asses out.

 

[mikegriffith1]

There was no open investigation of Burisma. It had been shut down BEFORE Biden came to Ukraine.

The prosecutor says the investigation was still open. Did you not read the OP?

If the Burisma investigation was "shut down," why did Burisma hire the totally unqualified Hunter Biden and pay him an exorbitant salary?

The reason we meddled was because we did not want American tax dollars lost to corruption.

LOL! REAAALLLLLYY?! How do you suppose Iran used the $150 billion that Obama handed to them via the Iran nuke deal? And, uh, if Biden didn't want our money "lost to corruption," why did he use extortion to shut down Shokin's investigation into corruption? Why do you suppose Burisma hired, of all people, Hunter Biden, who had zero qualifications for the job, and paid him $50K per month? Do you people even think before you repeat your talking points?

The State Department official says he was concerned about the appearance of impropriety. He has never claimed that either Hunter Biden or Joe Biden were doing anything wrong.

I'm guessing you are basing this on left-wing news sources. Would you like to read what that State Department official himself has said?

State Department official told Congress he raised concerns about Hunter Biden's Ukraine dealings in 2015 but was ignored

 

[busybee01]

Joe Biden publicly, on video, stated that in 2016 he threatened Ukraine with the loss of $1 billion in loan guarantees if Ukraine didn't fire its chief prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, who was in charge of the investigation into the Ukrainian company Burisma. After the investigation into Burisma began, Burisma hired the totally unqualified Hunter Biden for the whopping salary of $50K per month. Hunter Biden, by his own admission, had no qualifications for the job. In response to Joe Biden's threat to withhold $1 billion in loan guarantees, the Ukrainian government fired Shokin, and the next prosecutor obligingly and quickly exonerated Burisma.

Democrats and some phony conservatives argue that technically Shokin was not investigating Burisma at the time because the investigation was supposedly "dormant." First off, Shokin himself has debunked that claim--he says the investigation was not dormant. But, even if it had been, a "dormant" investigation is still an investigation, not a closed one. As Marc Thiessen has pointed out,

First, the phrase "dormant" means, by definition, that an investigation into Burisma existed and was not closed. Second, we don't know for certain that the Burisma investigation was, in fact, "dormant." Shokin has sworn in an affidavit it was not. (Why is the media bending over backward to absolve the Bidens of wrongdoing? | Marc Thiessen)​

Let's recap: Shokin opens an investigation into Burisma. Burisma hires Hunter Biden. Joe Biden comes to Ukraine and threatens to withhold $1 billion in loan guarantees if Shokin is not fired. Poroshenko caves into Biden's threat and fired Shokin. The next prosecutor quickly exonerates Burisma, which employs Hunter Biden. Now, what do you call that? Hey? What is that? Quid Pro Quo, that's what it is.

So why won't Democrats investigate this shady episode? And why are they upset because Trump wants Ukraine to look into this shady series of events? Why did Biden lie about not discussing his son's Burisma dealings with him? Why have so many documents and other evidence emerged that plainly contradict Biden's story?

Solomon: These once-secret memos cast doubt on Joe Biden's Ukraine story

Newly Obtained Documents from Burisma's Legal Team, State Dept and Ukrainian Government Torpedo Joe Biden's Story

Emails Reveal Burisma Consulting Firm Leveraged Hunter Biden To Get State Dept. Meetings

Burisma Consultant Contacted State Department Over Hunter Biden Concerns: Emails

Ex-Ukraine prosecutor said he was told to back off probe of Biden-linked firm, files show

Burisma Timeline Just Leads To More Questions About Hunter Biden

Diplomat Testified Obama Admin Orchestrated Ukraine Prosecutor's Ouster

Hunter Biden: The Most Comprehensive Timeline | National Review

Ukrainian MP Reports Biden Received $900K from Burisma for Lobbying Activities

Pics Cast Doubt on Joe Biden's Claim That He Didn't Discuss His Son's Business With Him

NEW: State Department Official Reveals He Approached Joe Biden About Hunter Biden's Dealings In 2015

Who says he is unqualified. Generally a Board of Directors does not run the company. They can be picked for their name. There is nothing illegal. The fact is that the investigation had been closed. Shokin was a corrupt prosecutor who refused to root out corruption. The international community knew it and the head of the IMF expressed the same doubts about sending money to Trump. Ukrainians knew it as there were large protests against Shokin. This is a tweet from a Ukrainian who has fought corruption in Ukraine.
Thank you @OliverBullough - indeed it’s insane to use UKRAINE as a ball at the AMERICAN national political field. Prosecutor Shokin did not open the case on Zlochevskyi & Burisma. He dumped it. And he was fired for being corrupt and failing prosecution reform @kenvogel

Shokin had closed the case against Burisma BEFORE Biden came to Ukraine. I know you Trump toadies will continue to lie about it as long as Biden leads Trump in the polls.

The fact is there is not a shred of evidence of anything shady. Just because you clowns say there is does not make it so. There has to be some evidence to open a investigation. It does not have to meet a beyond reasonable doubt standard but there has to be evidence. You do not open a investigation just to open a investigation.

Neither Hunter nor Trump did anything wrong. This is just the results of two parties that hate each other in a death match. THIS is why we need a third party-the competition would straighten their asses out.

Trump did do something wrong. He abused his authority. Getting a foreign country to investigate your political rival is very wrong. Also turning over internal polling data and other campaign information to a associate is wrong. Using the Presidency to make money is wrong as well. At least wait until you get out of office.

 

[busybee01]

There was no open investigation of Burisma. It had been shut down BEFORE Biden came to Ukraine.

The prosecutor says the investigation was still open. Did you not read the OP?

If the Burisma investigation was "shut down," why did Burisma hire the totally unqualified Hunter Biden and pay him an exorbitant salary?

The reason we meddled was because we did not want American tax dollars lost to corruption.

LOL! REAAALLLLLYY?! How do you suppose Iran used the $150 billion that Obama handed to them via the Iran nuke deal? And, uh, if Biden didn't want our money "lost to corruption," why did he use extortion to shut down Shokin's investigation into corruption? Why do you suppose Burisma hired, of all people, Hunter Biden, who had zero qualifications for the job, and paid him $50K per month? Do you people even think before you repeat your talking points?

The State Department official says he was concerned about the appearance of impropriety. He has never claimed that either Hunter Biden or Joe Biden were doing anything wrong.

I'm guessing you are basing this on left-wing news sources. Would you like to read what that State Department official himself has said?

State Department official told Congress he raised concerns about Hunter Biden's Ukraine dealings in 2015 but was ignored

There was no Shokin investigation into corruption. That is why he was fired. That is why Biden threatened to withhold the money. The fact is to sit on the board of directors, there are no qualifications. Sometimes the name is the reason someone sits on the board. Hunter Biden was on the board until he resigned this year. That is a few years AFTER Biden left office. You are the one repeating talking points. Trump tells you what to say.

Daria Kaleniuk‏ @dkaleniuk
Replying to @OliverBullough
Thank you @OliverBullough - indeed it’s insane to use UKRAINE as a ball at the AMERICAN national political field. Prosecutor Shokin did not open the case on Zlochevskyi & Burisma. He dumped it. And he was fired for being corrupt and failing prosecution reform @kenvogel

12:52 PM - 2 May 2019

This is a Ukrainian anti-corruption activist. I suppose she is using talking points.

I am guessing you are listening to the lying right wing media. Trump has used his position as President to enrich himself. Wonder why he choose the Turks over the Kurds? He was getting millions from his Turkish business interests and nothing from the Kurds. He lines his pockets with taxpayer dollars when he goes to his resorts. He tried to steer the next G-7 meeting to one of his resorts.

He never made any chrges that Hunter Biden was doing anything wrong. He was worried about the appearance rather than any impropriety.

 

[mikegriffith1]

There was no open investigation of Burisma. It had been shut down BEFORE Biden came to Ukraine. The reason we meddled was because we did not want American tax dollars lost to corruption. The State Department official says he was concerned about the appearance of impropriety. He has never claimed that either Hunter Biden or Joe Biden were doing anything wrong.

You simply repeated this debunked talking point. Apparently you still have not bothered to read the OP, which addresses this claim. Let me repeat: Shokin, the prosecutor, says the investigation was *not* shut down when Biden arrived in Ukraine.

And I again ask, If the investigation was shut down, why did Burisma bother to hire Hunter Biden? Why? Why? And why did Biden take the unprecedented step of threatening to withhold aid to get a prosecutor fired? Since when has our government ever intruded so deeply into another nation's affairs as to demand that a prosecutor be fired? I'm fairly well versed in American, and I'm not aware of any case where our government took such extraordinary measures to get a foreign prosecutor fired. Can you cite a precedent for Biden's amazing meddling?

 

[Lysistrata]

Nothing that either Biden did (and what was that?) is relevant to the actions for which trump is being investigated. Why waste resources?

What I would like to see discussed openly is the decision to switch focus away from the Russians' meddling in our internal politics to some alleged wrongdoing on the part of Ukraine and the moron in the White House's alleged concern about alleged corruption in Ukraine, an enemy of Russia. His love affair with Putin has been obvious for a long time. Remember his disgraceful performance in Helsinki? Now we find out that this whole "blame the Ukraine" thing goes back at least until May, possibly before, and there was apparently more than one phone call, while the one on July 25 is the focus of the investigation.

We need to talk about the Russians, not the Ukrainians. But the orange whore is in bed with putin. The orange whore thinks that switching the focus from Russia to Ukraine, and involving the Bidens, will kill two birds with one stone.

 

[JoeB131]

Joe Biden publicly, on video, stated that in 2016 he threatened Ukraine with the loss of $1 billion in loan guarantees if Ukraine didn't fire its chief prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, who was in charge of the investigation into the Ukrainian company Burisma. After the investigation into Burisma began, Burisma hired the totally unqualified Hunter Biden for the whopping salary of $50K per month. Hunter Biden, by his own admission, had no qualifications for the job. In response to Joe Biden's threat to withhold $1 billion in loan guarantees, the Ukrainian government fired Shokin, and the next prosecutor obligingly and quickly exonerated Burisma.

Edited, stay on topic-meister

So let's clear a few things up.

First and foremost, Hunter Biden was not unqualified.

Early positions, 1996–2009
After graduating from law school, Biden took a position at MBNA America, a major bank holding company which was also a major contributor to his father's political campaigns. By 1998, he had risen to the rank of executive vice president.[2][16] From 1998 to 2001, he served in the United States Department of Commerce, focusing on ecommerce policy.[17] Biden became a lobbyist in 2001, co-founding the firm of Oldaker, Biden & Belair.[18] According to Adam Entous of The New Yorker, Biden and his father established a relationship in which "Biden wouldn't ask Hunter about his lobbying clients, and Hunter wouldn't tell his father about them."[2] In 2006, Biden and his uncle, James Biden, attempted to buy Paradigm, a hedge-fund group, but the deal fell apart before completion.[2] That same year, Biden was appointed by President George W. Bush to the board of directors of Amtrak; he was on the board of Amtrak from 2006 to 2009.[17]

Later career, 2009–present
After his father was elected as vice president in 2008, Biden resigned from his position on the Amtrak board of directors and left his career as a lobbyist.[2] Along with Christopher Heinz, stepson of John Kerry, and Devon Archer, Biden founded the investment firm Rosemont Seneca.[18]

He also became an attorney with the law firm Boies Schiller Flexner LLP,[2] and founded Eudora Global, a venture capital firm.[15]

In the aftermath of the 2014 Ukrainian revolution, Mykola Zlochevsky faced a money laundering investigation,[27][28] and his company Burisma Holdings, the largest natural gas producer in Ukraine,[2] assembled a "high-profile international board" in response.[29][28] Biden, then an attorney with Boies Schiller Flexner, was hired to help Burisma with corporate governance best practices, and a consulting firm in which Biden is a partner was also retained by Burisma.


Second, Shokin was really ******* corrupt and needed to be fired.

The Obama administration and other governments and non-governmental organizations soon became concerned that Shokin was not adequately pursuing corruption in Ukraine, was protecting the political elite, and was regarded as "an obstacle to anti-corruption efforts".[16] Among other issues, he was slow-walking the investigation into Zlochevsky and Burisma – to the extent that Obama officials were considering launching their own criminal investigation into the company for possible money laundering.[25]

While visiting Kiev in December 2015, Joe Biden threatened Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko that if he did not fire Shokin, that the US would hold back its $1 billion in loan guarantees. In a later recollection, Biden said, "I looked at them and said, 'I'm leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you're not getting the money.' [...] He got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time."[28][29] Shokin was dismissed by Parliament in late March 2016.

Shokin claimed in May 2019 that he had been investigating Burisma Holdings.[13][34][35] However, Vitaly Kasko, who had been Shokin's deputy overseeing international cooperation before resigning in February 2016 citing corruption in the office, provided documents to Bloomberg News indicating that under Shokin, the investigation into Burisma had been dormant.[36][37] Also, the investigation into Burisma only pertained to events happening before Hunter Biden joined the company.

 

[JoeB131]

You simply repeated this debunked talking point. Apparently you still have not bothered to read the OP, which addresses this claim. Let me repeat: Shokin, the prosecutor, says the investigation was *not* shut down when Biden arrived in Ukraine.

He says a lot of things... none of which should really be believed...

Edited, stay on topic...meister

 

[CowboyTed]

Joe Biden publicly, on video, stated that in 2016 he threatened Ukraine with the loss of $1 billion in loan guarantees if Ukraine didn't fire its chief prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, who was in charge of the investigation into the Ukrainian company Burisma. After the investigation into Burisma began, Burisma hired the totally unqualified Hunter Biden for the whopping salary of $50K per month. Hunter Biden, by his own admission, had no qualifications for the job. In response to Joe Biden's threat to withhold $1 billion in loan guarantees, the Ukrainian government fired Shokin, and the next prosecutor obligingly and quickly exonerated Burisma.

Democrats and some phony conservatives argue that technically Shokin was not investigating Burisma at the time because the investigation was supposedly "dormant." First off, Shokin himself has debunked that claim--he says the investigation was not dormant. But, even if it had been, a "dormant" investigation is still an investigation, not a closed one. As Marc Thiessen has pointed out,

First, the phrase "dormant" means, by definition, that an investigation into Burisma existed and was not closed. Second, we don't know for certain that the Burisma investigation was, in fact, "dormant." Shokin has sworn in an affidavit it was not. (Why is the media bending over backward to absolve the Bidens of wrongdoing? | Marc Thiessen)​

Let's recap: Shokin opens an investigation into Burisma. Burisma hires Hunter Biden. Joe Biden comes to Ukraine and threatens to withhold $1 billion in loan guarantees if Shokin is not fired. Poroshenko caves into Biden's threat and fired Shokin. The next prosecutor quickly exonerates Burisma, which employs Hunter Biden. Now, what do you call that? Hey? What is that? Quid Pro Quo, that's what it is.

So why won't Democrats investigate this shady episode? And why are they upset because Trump wants Ukraine to look into this shady series of events? Why did Biden lie about not discussing his son's Burisma dealings with him? Why have so many documents and other evidence emerged that plainly contradict Biden's story?

Solomon: These once-secret memos cast doubt on Joe Biden's Ukraine story

Newly Obtained Documents from Burisma's Legal Team, State Dept and Ukrainian Government Torpedo Joe Biden's Story

Emails Reveal Burisma Consulting Firm Leveraged Hunter Biden To Get State Dept. Meetings

Burisma Consultant Contacted State Department Over Hunter Biden Concerns: Emails

Ex-Ukraine prosecutor said he was told to back off probe of Biden-linked firm, files show

Burisma Timeline Just Leads To More Questions About Hunter Biden

Diplomat Testified Obama Admin Orchestrated Ukraine Prosecutor's Ouster

Hunter Biden: The Most Comprehensive Timeline | National Review

Ukrainian MP Reports Biden Received $900K from Burisma for Lobbying Activities

Pics Cast Doubt on Joe Biden's Claim That He Didn't Discuss His Son's Business With Him

NEW: State Department Official Reveals He Approached Joe Biden About Hunter Biden's Dealings In 2015

Why do Democrats have to do that...

Well the GOP have control of:

• Senate (and investigating the Committee)
• DOJ
• FBI
• CIA
• ....

But it is up to Democrats to investigate Biden. Are ye the laziest ***** in all human creations?

P.S. They don't investigate because it is a scam. A total made up bit of crap... You could question why Hunter was hired by the Gas Company but there is some very valid reasons they were hired at the time. There is no evidence of any wrong doing.
The Senate investigation would be like Linsay Graham asking Joe Biden why did he get the Prosecutor fired. Biden just says that Linsay wanted him fired as well... Actually you be lucky to find any Senate GOP guy who said keep him... Biden would call witness after witness saying they supported him. This would be World Leaders, Ukrainians, Intel Experts and GOP Politicians the list would be long and embarrassing.

So Trump just puts out a baseless accusation and never follows it up. Remember Hillary was going to Jail, Obama spied on him,.... Carville got him right last week in, Trump is very weak, nobody respects him except his base....

 

[mikegriffith1]

Joe Biden publicly, on video, stated that in 2016 he threatened Ukraine with the loss of $1 billion in loan guarantees if Ukraine didn't fire its chief prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, who was in charge of the investigation into the Ukrainian company Burisma. After the investigation into Burisma began, Burisma hired the totally unqualified Hunter Biden for the whopping salary of $50K per month. Hunter Biden, by his own admission, had no qualifications for the job. In response to Joe Biden's threat to withhold $1 billion in loan guarantees, the Ukrainian government fired Shokin, and the next prosecutor obligingly and quickly exonerated Burisma.

Edited, stay on topic-meister

So let's clear a few things up.

Yeah, let's do.

First and foremost, Hunter Biden was not unqualified. . . . [I snipped your non-evidence evidence.]

Not one of the qualifications you mentioned had anything to do with natural gas exploration and production, which is what Burisma does. Perhaps you missed Hunter Biden's recent ABC News interview in which he admitted that he had no background or experience in natural gas/energy, that "in hindsight" he showed "poor judgment" in taking the Burisma job, and that he "probably" would not have been offered the job if his dad were not Joe Biden. Did you miss that?

Exclusive: Hunter Biden defends foreign ventures, admits making ‘mistake’ politically

Yes, I know Hunter argued that he was qualified for the job, even as he was forced to admit that he had no experience in energy exploration and production. He also claimed that he never discussed his Burisma dealings with his dad, but his dad contradicted him, on tape, and we now know that Joe and Hunter spent hours with a Burisma board member.

Picture of Biden, son with Ukraine business partner puts claim into doubt

Second, Shokin was really $(%$ corrupt and needed to be fired.

First off, why don't you show some class and keep your filthy language to yourself?

Anyway, how do you know Shokin was "really corrupt"? Was he more corrupt than the murderous Iranian mullahs to whom Obama gave $100-$150 billion in sanctions relief with the Iran nuke deal? How about the terrorism apologists of the Palestinian Authority to whom Obama authorized foreign aid? Was Shokin anywhere near as bad as those guys? I know you know nothing but what you get from liberal sources, but Shokin's boss, President Poroshenko, truly was corrupt, and Shokin worked for him.

By the way, are you ever going to venture to explain why Burisma hired Hunter Biden after Shokin opened his investigation of the company? Just curious.

And, why didn't Obama and Biden threaten to withhold aid from Iran until Iran's leaders ordered their police and army to stop murdering protesters, to stop holding political prisoners in jail for years, and to release the four Americans they were holding?

Furthermore, since when does the U.S. government seek to micro-manage another nation's selection of a prosecutor? When did that start? Can you cite a single case where our government meddled so deeply into another nation's affairs as to single-out a prosecutor for firing by threatening to withhold loan guarantees if he were not fired?

 

[JoeB131]

First off, why don't you show some class and keep your filthy language to yourself?

Anyway, how do you know Shokin was "really corrupt"? Was he more corrupt than the murderous Iranian mullahs to whom Obama gave $100-$150 billion in sanctions relief with the Iran nuke deal? How about the terrorism apologists of the Palestinian Authority to whom Obama authorized foreign aid? Was Shokin anywhere near as bad as those guys? I know you know nothing but what you get from liberal sources, but Shokin's boss, President Poroshenko, truly was corrupt, and Shokin worked for him.

Let's see now... given your inability to keep on topic, not going to waste time.

Obama didn't "give" money to the Mullahs... he RETURNED money that rightfully belong to them as part of resolution of outstanding economic claims between the US and the Islamic Republic. American assets that were seized by Iran were also returned to the US.

Paying the Palestinians to play nice is something we've been doing since Bush the Elder.

Yes, Shokin was really corrupt because the IMF, Ukrainian Parliament, EU, G7 and yes, even Republicans in Congress said he was and he needed to go.

And, why didn't Obama and Biden threaten to withhold aid from Iran until Iran's leaders order their police army to stop murdering protesters, to stop holding political prisoners in jail for years, and to release the four Americans they were holding?

Because that wasn't our goal. We didn't give Iran "Aid" we returned money that the courts have ruled rightfully belong to Iran. Our goal was to get Iran to agree to inspections and to divert their nuclear program to peaceful purposes. That's it. It was not to get back four dumbasses who broke their laws, and it wasn't to get involved in their byzantine politics.

Furthermore, since when does the U.S. government seek to micro-manage another nation's selection of a prosecutor? When did that start? Can you cite a single case where our government meddled so deeply into another nation's affairs as to single-out a prosecutor for firing by threatening to withhold loan guarantees if he were not fired?

We've insisted countries remove their LEADERS a bunch of time. Haiti comes to mind, where Clinton forced their dictator to resign to restore the elected president. Hey, let's not forget George W. Bush and his "Regime Change". Telling them to get rid of one corrupt prosecutor seems kind of... tame.

 

[Pilot1]

Because he didn’t seek personal benefit. He was working in the nation’s interest and was fully supported by the State Department in his open and transparent actions.


Moron.

Don't be so hard on yourself. I wouldn't go so far as calling you a Moron. Maybe politically inept, and idiotic.

So Hunter Biden getting an $83K per month BOARD POSITION from the Ukraine gas company just because his father was VP and now a candidate for President is certainly quid pro quo. No question Biden knew all about this and it is the real scandal.

 

[JoeB131]

Not one of the qualifications you mentioned had anything to do with natural gas exploration and production, which is what Burisma does. Perhaps you missed Hunter Biden's recent ABC News interview in which he admitted that he had no background or experience in natural gas/energy, that "in hindsight" he showed "poor judgment" in taking the Burisma job, and that he "probably" would not have been offered the job if his dad were not Joe Biden. Did you miss that?

Um, yeah, it made his dad look bad, that was a mistake, but they weren't hiring him to run a gas field.

They were hiring him to institute best practices and generate foreign investment,and frankly, he's the kind of guy you hire when you want to do that, since he did that for other organizations.

Now go hug an Axis war criminal.... those guys need a hug.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Because he didn’t seek personal benefit. He was working in the nation’s interest and was fully supported by the State Department in his open and transparent actions.


Moron.

BwahahahhahHAHAHHAHahahahahhahHAHhahahahahHAHHhhahahHAhahahahhHAhahahahhhhHHAH

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Not one of the qualifications you mentioned had anything to do with natural gas exploration and production, which is what Burisma does. Perhaps you missed Hunter Biden's recent ABC News interview in which he admitted that he had no background or experience in natural gas/energy, that "in hindsight" he showed "poor judgment" in taking the Burisma job, and that he "probably" would not have been offered the job if his dad were not Joe Biden. Did you miss that?

Um, yeah, it made his dad look bad, that was a mistake, but they weren't hiring him to run a gas field.

They were hiring him to institute best practices and generate foreign investment,and frankly, he's the kind of guy you hire when you want to do that, since he did that for other organizations.

Now go hug an Axis war criminal.... those guys need a hug.

LOLOL!OL!OL!OLOL!OL!OL!O!LOL!O!LO!Lololo omgggg these excuses are ******* hysterical!