Why the Sudden Doubts about the Verdict?

WRONG.

FEC never investigated anything - 2 Republicans refused to investigate Trump:
No it is not wrong. The FEC's Office of the General Counsel includes the investigative/enforcement division of the FEC.

They did investigate, and issued a 70-page report.

The Commission then voted on whether or not to pursue the matter, and deadlocked (with one republican abstaining), which meant it would not go further. The 2 voting republicans said they considered it closed with Cohen's plea deal, and the 2 voting dems wanted to keep going (naturally).
 
He did not testify because the defense didn't call him. He was allowed to testify.
Oh they could have called him as a witness, but they weren't allowed to ask him any questions about Federal election laws.

There is no point in calling an expert witness if he is not permitted to testify on his area of expertise.
 
Sorry, I don't think anyone was banking on Trump going to prison.


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No it is not wrong. The FEC's Office of the General Counsel includes the investigative/enforcement division of the FEC.

They did investigate, and issued a 70-page report.

The Commission then voted on whether or not to pursue the matter, and deadlocked (with one republican abstaining), which meant it would not go further. The 2 voting republicans said they considered it closed with Cohen's plea deal, and the 2 voting dems wanted to keep going (naturally).

Aaaaaand? What did that 70 page report say?

If you are going to try to say "No" then maybe you should include something resembling evidence of disagreement.
 
Aaaaaand? What did that 70 page report say?

Cohens matter was a SEPARATE investigation and 2 Democrats voted WITH Republicans to close it since he pled guilty..
No. The complaint was MUR7313 you can look it up.

 
Aaaaaand? What did that 70 page report say?

If you are going to try to say "No" then maybe you should include something resembling evidence of disagreement.

In that case, the FEC said they didn’t have jurisdiction since campaign funds were not used.
 
What did that judge in Georgia say? An "odor of mendacity"?

This entire business began with a BS search warrant from the Mueller investigation. They were accusing Cohen of being a Russian agent, and committing wire fraud by laundering money from a Russian oligarch.

None of the crimes listed on the first warrant were ever charged. The warrant cited articles in the NY Times and Bloomberg in their probable cause statements. Russia Russia Russia! The FBI knew it was all bullshit in January, but they still got that warrant in July...

They got Cohen's Gmail and iCloud accounts, and they went from there. Several more warrants, eventually handing it over to the SDNY, more warrants and finally the raid. Then they charge the tax evasion and bank fraud related to his taxi medallion loans and mortgages, but most importantly- get the plea deal that incriminates Trump.

They first claimed that the LLC Cohen setup "Essential Consultants LLC" was funded by a Russian oligarch, and now we're told it was funded by a HELOC that he took out himself.

All the "failure to register as a foreign agent", and "laundering money from foreign entities" charges seem to have just evaporated into thin air. :rolleyes:

Warrants are here:

 
In that case, the FEC said they didn’t have jurisdiction since campaign funds were not used.
So, that eliminates some kind of campaign finance violation as the "another crime" that Trump was supposedly concealing when he supposedly defrauded an unknown person, by supposedly making or causing a false entry in a business record.

What are the other "another crime" candidates the judge is going to let the jury pick from?
 
What did that judge in Georgia say? An "odor of mendacity"?

This entire business began with a BS search warrant from the Mueller investigation. They were accusing Cohen of being a Russian agent, and committing wire fraud by laundering money from a Russian oligarch.

None of the crimes listed on the first warrant were ever charged. The warrant cited articles in the NY Times and Bloomberg in their probable cause statements. Russia Russia Russia! The FBI knew it was all bullshit in January, but they still got that warrant in July...

They got Cohen's Gmail and iCloud accounts, and they went from there. Several more warrants, eventually handing it over to the SDNY, more warrants and finally the raid. Then they charge the tax evasion and bank fraud related to his taxi medallion loans and mortgages, but most importantly- get the plea deal that incriminates Trump.

They first claimed that the LLC Cohen setup "Essential Consultants LLC" was funded by a Russian oligarch, and now we're told it was funded by a HELOC that he took out himself.

All the "failure to register as a foreign agent", and "laundering money from foreign entities" charges seem to have just evaporated into thin air. :rolleyes:

Warrants are here:


No it is not wrong. The FEC's Office of the General Counsel includes the investigative/enforcement division of the FEC.

They did investigate, and issued a 70-page report.

The Commission then voted on whether or not to pursue the matter, and deadlocked (with one republican abstaining), which meant it would not go further. The 2 voting republicans said they considered it closed with Cohen's plea deal, and the 2 voting dems wanted to keep going (naturally).
So when someone says that they didn't pursue it because they decided they couldn't convict, then that is a lie.
 
At the beginnng and through most of the trial, Democrats on her were crowing about Trump going to prison, Republicans being forced to vote for a felon, etc. Now the attitude seems to be "wait and see," and the moral cowardice of, "I'll respect the jury's verdict."

Even the WaPo is lowering expectations - they defining "high expectations" as a former president and current frontrunner literally imprisoned by the opposition party, banana republic style.


I would caution people, based on my own experience, to remember that their experience from the outside is as different than the jury’s as the courtroom sketches are from the reality of being there in person. And I would note that Trump’s guilt will ultimately be decided not on whether the public thinks the case has been made or even on whether the jury does, but instead on the conversation the jury has within the constraints of evidence and the law to which they have been exposed.

And no one can reliably predict how that conversation will unfold.


I don't get it. If the evidence is so strong, and the judge so fair, and the Jury made of savvy New Yorkers who won't be put off by the likes of fellow New Yorker Michael Cohen, why doubt the outcome? If Trump's actions are so proven, and they fit so well into a clearly defined crime, and the witnesses so credible, why would you not predict a swift verdict of guilty on all counts?

Team Trump barely responded to the prosecution's case. Two witnesses, both of whome the fair judge cut off from answering. The jury will consider only the prosecution's examinations, the defense's cross, and the closing arguments. How can you doubt a victory for your side?

Is is possible that this is the answer, incredible as it may seem:

Did you really and truly not know what a farce this trial was from the beginning? Did you believe your own nonsense about no one being above the law, and this case being a simple example of Donald Trump finally facing trial for his crimes as anyone else would? Now, having seen how absurdly weak and counter to the law, this prosecution is, you pretend that you only care that the process was carried out, and you were never expecting a particular outcome?

I'm disappointed in you, really. I would have expected you to keep up the cry of "Felon Trump" right up until the hung jury was announced and then to denounce the sneaky Trumpers who must have lied their way onto the jury.

But, you will respect the findings, eh?

I look forward to seeing you keep that promise.
Right? All those USMB Legal Beagles were SOOOOOOO sure that Trump would be in jail by now. Now with the last of the trumped up shit shows going up in smoke, they're quiet as church mice. LOL
 
Wrong again. He didn't testify because the defense decided not to call him to the stand.
They didn't call him to the stand because Merchan refused to let him testify about campaign finance law...something that Merchan let Michael Cohen talk about...a man who lies as easily as he breathes.
 

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