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Why the Right HATES Healthcare

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Here is what it does for Americans..

1. If you had cancer as a 14 year old and now are 24 and need to get insurance. Insurance companies can't punish you for daring to have cancer

2. If you have the misfortune of becoming seriously ill and run up bills over $100,000, the insurance company can't cap your bill and make you pay anything in excess of $100,000

3. If you just graduated college and have to work for a small company that does not offer health coverage, you can be covered on your parents policy until you are 26.

4. If you own or work for a small company, Insurance pools will be formed to allow you to compete as a large group and get better rates

5. You won't have to defer preventive care which may detect serious problems. It will be free with your insurance coverage

6. Insurance companies will not be able to drop you if you become seriously ill
 
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Oh, good grief. There is a fucking forum for healthcare.


Will this healthcare improve people's ability to file shit in the right place?

Damnation, you are an ass.
 

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Its not "Health care" as much as it is "How" and "What" .... the people spoke including those on the left and all just ignored.
 
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Oh, good grief. There is a fucking forum for healthcare.


Will this healthcare improve people's ability to file shit in the right place?

Damnation, you are an ass.

There are 12 Healthcare threads on the first page of the Politics Board right now. It is the biggest political topic of the weekend.This thread describes what is in the bill
 

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Its not "Health care" as much as it is "How" and "What" .... the people spoke including those on the left and all just ignored.

They spoke to the fact that "Mr. President, this bill is not enough." Not that it's going too far.
 

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Here is what it does for Americans..

1. If you had cancer as a 14 year old and now are 24 and need to get insurance. Insurance companies can't punish you for daring to have cancer

2. If you have the misfortune of becoming seriously ill and run up bills over $100,000, the insurance company can't cap your bill and make you pay anything in excess of $100,000

3. If you just graduated college and have to work for a small company that does not offer health coverage, you can be covered on your parents policy until you are 26.

4. If you own or work for a small company, Insurance pools will be formed to allow you to compete as a large group and get better rates

5. You won't have to defer preventive care which may detect serious problems. It will be free with your insurance coverage

6. Insurance companies will not be able to drop you if you become seriously ill

7. and if you are a lazy sit on the porch democrat you won't have to pay a dime of it. The 50% of Americans who actually pay federal income taxes will provide you your sugar titty.
 

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Its not "Health care" as much as it is "How" and "What" .... the people spoke including those on the left and all just ignored.

They spoke to the fact that "Mr. President, this bill is not enough." Not that it's going too far.
Dream on
 

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Here is what it does for Americans..

1. If you had cancer as a 14 year old and now are 24 and need to get insurance. Insurance companies can't punish you for daring to have cancer

2. If you have the misfortune of becoming seriously ill and run up bills over $100,000, the insurance company can't cap your bill and make you pay anything in excess of $100,000

3. If you just graduated college and have to work for a small company that does not offer health coverage, you can be covered on your parents policy until you are 26.

4. If you own or work for a small company, Insurance pools will be formed to allow you to compete as a large group and get better rates

5. You won't have to defer preventive care which may detect serious problems. It will be free with your insurance coverage

6. Insurance companies will not be able to drop you if you become seriously ill

And all we need to pay for it is to tax the shit out of working folks and kill off granny ......:clap2:
 
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Here is what it does for Americans..

1. If you had cancer as a 14 year old and now are 24 and need to get insurance. Insurance companies can't punish you for daring to have cancer

2. If you have the misfortune of becoming seriously ill and run up bills over $100,000, the insurance company can't cap your bill and make you pay anything in excess of $100,000

3. If you just graduated college and have to work for a small company that does not offer health coverage, you can be covered on your parents policy until you are 26.

4. If you own or work for a small company, Insurance pools will be formed to allow you to compete as a large group and get better rates

5. You won't have to defer preventive care which may detect serious problems. It will be free with your insurance coverage

6. Insurance companies will not be able to drop you if you become seriously ill

And all we need to pay for it is to tax the shit out of working folks and kill off granny ......:clap2:

This bill helps real Americans and will take very good care of granny. Which of these provisions do you object to and why?
 

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Its not "Health care" as much as it is "How" and "What" .... the people spoke including those on the left and all just ignored.

They spoke to the fact that "Mr. President, this bill is not enough." Not that it's going too far.
Dream on

40% support the bill, 49% oppose. Of those who oppose, about half say it doesn't go far enough.

All this Socialism and government takeover and all that noise is just a very small, but noisy minority.

Bill passes in 26.5 hours. Watch the polls surge once it's passed; Watch.
 
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I'd ask anyone to explain why they oppose these provisions in the Healthcare bill
 

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Here is what it does for Americans..

1. If you had cancer as a 14 year old and now are 24 and need to get insurance. Insurance companies can't punish you for daring to have cancer

2. If you have the misfortune of becoming seriously ill and run up bills over $100,000, the insurance company can't cap your bill and make you pay anything in excess of $100,000

3. If you just graduated college and have to work for a small company that does not offer health coverage, you can be covered on your parents policy until you are 26.

4. If you own or work for a small company, Insurance pools will be formed to allow you to compete as a large group and get better rates

5. You won't have to defer preventive care which may detect serious problems. It will be free with your insurance coverage

6. Insurance companies will not be able to drop you if you become seriously ill

On what page of the bill is your point #1?
 

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Here is what it does for Americans..

1. If you had cancer as a 14 year old and now are 24 and need to get insurance. Insurance companies can't punish you for daring to have cancer

2. If you have the misfortune of becoming seriously ill and run up bills over $100,000, the insurance company can't cap your bill and make you pay anything in excess of $100,000

3. If you just graduated college and have to work for a small company that does not offer health coverage, you can be covered on your parents policy until you are 26.

4. If you own or work for a small company, Insurance pools will be formed to allow you to compete as a large group and get better rates

5. You won't have to defer preventive care which may detect serious problems. It will be free with your insurance coverage

6. Insurance companies will not be able to drop you if you become seriously ill

And all we need to pay for it is to tax the shit out of working folks and kill off granny ......:clap2:

This bill helps real Americans and will take very good care of granny. Which of these provisions do you object to and why?


Raising healthcare premiums helps "real" americans ? Higher taxes helps "real" americans ?

Medicare already denies more services than any insurance company and they're going cut medicare, how does that help granny ?

Why won't the dems just man up and be honest about what this really is, they've told every lie in the book to get the less than concrete support they have. If they really told the truth about it, they'd be lucky to get 25% to support it ........
 
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Here is what it does for Americans..

1. If you had cancer as a 14 year old and now are 24 and need to get insurance. Insurance companies can't punish you for daring to have cancer

2. If you have the misfortune of becoming seriously ill and run up bills over $100,000, the insurance company can't cap your bill and make you pay anything in excess of $100,000

3. If you just graduated college and have to work for a small company that does not offer health coverage, you can be covered on your parents policy until you are 26.

4. If you own or work for a small company, Insurance pools will be formed to allow you to compete as a large group and get better rates

5. You won't have to defer preventive care which may detect serious problems. It will be free with your insurance coverage

6. Insurance companies will not be able to drop you if you become seriously ill

On what page of the bill is your point #1?

Pre-existing conditions requirements are throughout the bill
 

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Here is what it does for Americans..

1. If you had cancer as a 14 year old and now are 24 and need to get insurance. Insurance companies can't punish you for daring to have cancer

2. If you have the misfortune of becoming seriously ill and run up bills over $100,000, the insurance company can't cap your bill and make you pay anything in excess of $100,000

3. If you just graduated college and have to work for a small company that does not offer health coverage, you can be covered on your parents policy until you are 26.

4. If you own or work for a small company, Insurance pools will be formed to allow you to compete as a large group and get better rates

5. You won't have to defer preventive care which may detect serious problems. It will be free with your insurance coverage

6. Insurance companies will not be able to drop you if you become seriously ill

Wingy, what I love about your threads is that you put enough in to antagonize the other side into responding.
OK, so I love doing that as well.

But here is part of the Samuelson article that destroys your premise(s).

"There's a parallel here: housing. Most Americans favor homeownership, but uncritical pro-homeownership policies (lax lending standards, puny down payments, hefty housing subsidies) helped cause the financial crisis. The same thing is happening with health care. The appeal of universal insurance -- who, by the way, wants to be uninsured? -- justifies half-truths and dubious policies. That the process is repeating itself suggests that our political leaders don't learn even from proximate calamities.

How often, for example, have you heard the emergency-room argument? The uninsured, it's said, use emergency rooms for primary care. That's expensive and ineffective. Once they're insured, they'll have regular doctors. Care will improve; costs will decline. Everyone wins. Great argument. Unfortunately, it's untrue.

A study by the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation found that the insured accounted for 83 percent of emergency-room visits, reflecting their share of the population. After Massachusetts adopted universal insurance, emergency-room use remained higher than the national average, an Urban Institute study found. More than two-fifths of visits represented non-emergencies. Of those, a majority of adult respondents to a survey said it was "more convenient" to go to the emergency room or they couldn't "get [a doctor's] appointment as soon as needed." If universal coverage makes appointments harder to get, emergency-room use may increase.

You probably think that insuring the uninsured will dramatically improve the nation's health. The uninsured don't get care or don't get it soon enough. With insurance, they won't be shortchanged; they'll be healthier. Simple.

Think again. I've written before that expanding health insurance would result, at best, in modest health gains. Studies of insurance's effects on health are hard to perform. Some find benefits; others don't. Medicare's introduction in 1966 produced no reduction in mortality; some studies of extensions of Medicaid for children didn't find gains. In the Atlantic recently, economics writer Megan McArdle examined the literature and emerged skeptical. Claims that the uninsured suffer tens of thousands of premature deaths are "open to question." Conceivably, the "lack of health insurance has no more impact on your health than lack of flood insurance," she writes."
washingtonpost.com

Keep on keepin' on. This is fun.
 
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And all we need to pay for it is to tax the shit out of working folks and kill off granny ......:clap2:

This bill helps real Americans and will take very good care of granny. Which of these provisions do you object to and why?


Raising healthcare premiums helps "real" americans ? Higher taxes helps "real" americans ?

Medicare already denies more services than any insurance company and they're going cut medicare, how does that help granny ?

Why won't the dems just man up and be honest about what this really is, they've told every lie in the book to get the less than concrete support they have. If they really told the truth about it, they'd be lucky to 25% to support it ........

You are not answering...Which of these provisions do you oppose? Pre-existing conditions, caps on coverage, health insurance pools?

If insurance companies start to jack up their rates, maybe we need to remind them about the public option
 

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This bill helps real Americans and will take very good care of granny. Which of these provisions do you object to and why?


Raising healthcare premiums helps "real" americans ? Higher taxes helps "real" americans ?

Medicare already denies more services than any insurance company and they're going cut medicare, how does that help granny ?

Why won't the dems just man up and be honest about what this really is, they've told every lie in the book to get the less than concrete support they have. If they really told the truth about it, they'd be lucky to 25% to support it ........

You are not answering...Which of these provisions do you oppose? Pre-existing conditions, caps on coverage, health insurance pools?

If insurance companies start to jack up their rates, maybe we need to remind them about the public option

I've answered, i oppose all of it, now what's your answer to my questions ?

The objective is for the "public option" to be the only option.
 

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Here is what it does for Americans..

1. If you had cancer as a 14 year old and now are 24 and need to get insurance. Insurance companies can't punish you for daring to have cancer

2. If you have the misfortune of becoming seriously ill and run up bills over $100,000, the insurance company can't cap your bill and make you pay anything in excess of $100,000

3. If you just graduated college and have to work for a small company that does not offer health coverage, you can be covered on your parents policy until you are 26.

4. If you own or work for a small company, Insurance pools will be formed to allow you to compete as a large group and get better rates

5. You won't have to defer preventive care which may detect serious problems. It will be free with your insurance coverage

6. Insurance companies will not be able to drop you if you become seriously ill

On what page of the bill is your point #1?

Pre-existing conditions requirements are throughout the bill

You mean your 29 word summary description repeats itself "throughout the 2000+ page bill,"

But you don't know where it appears like, just once?

You're kidding, right?
 

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Raising healthcare premiums helps "real" americans ? Higher taxes helps "real" americans ?

Medicare already denies more services than any insurance company and they're going cut medicare, how does that help granny ?

Why won't the dems just man up and be honest about what this really is, they've told every lie in the book to get the less than concrete support they have. If they really told the truth about it, they'd be lucky to 25% to support it ........

You are not answering...Which of these provisions do you oppose? Pre-existing conditions, caps on coverage, health insurance pools?

If insurance companies start to jack up their rates, maybe we need to remind them about the public option

I've answered, i oppose all of it, now what's your answer to my questions ?

The objective is for the "public option" to be the only option.

Yeah? And if the insurance companies keep gaming the system... Working people over, as they've been doing for years... That's exactly what we'll have. Quick.
 

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Here is what it does for Americans..

1. If you had cancer as a 14 year old and now are 24 and need to get insurance. Insurance companies can't punish you for daring to have cancer

2. If you have the misfortune of becoming seriously ill and run up bills over $100,000, the insurance company can't cap your bill and make you pay anything in excess of $100,000

3. If you just graduated college and have to work for a small company that does not offer health coverage, you can be covered on your parents policy until you are 26.

4. If you own or work for a small company, Insurance pools will be formed to allow you to compete as a large group and get better rates

5. You won't have to defer preventive care which may detect serious problems. It will be free with your insurance coverage

6. Insurance companies will not be able to drop you if you become seriously ill

Yesterday Boehner looked like a man going to the hangmans noose, The leadership understand that they have screwed the pooch. He knows if this passes the American people will see the benifits nearly immediately and that ALL the THREATS the Rs have made about "what will happen" wont materialize and the republican party will have stood in the way, fought and threatened DOOM and did it by lying their asses off. They will have it thrown in their faces for a generation to come. Boehner knows his carreer is fucked and all Rs who did all the fear mongering will be fucked.
 

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