Why the lack of preparation?

[Hum Dinger]

The media will try to save him to run for president in 2028.

I see Republicans always pushing for Newson to run, not Democrats much. (I wonder why that is?)

Here's a list of Democrats that ran in the 2019 primaries, quite a few of them could run in 2028. I preferred Ryan and Swalwell:

All the Democratic candidates who ran for president in 2020

These are the candidates who launched a bid for the presidency in 2020, aiming to deny Trump a second term.

www.cbsnews.com

I'd also like to add AOC as a possible 2028 candidate, just to watch the Republicans pitch fits!

 

[Zincwarrior]

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Just to point out...

The technology to deal with deadwood and overgrown forests was developed a long time ago.

So again, has anyone mapped the wildfires in California to the their starting locations and spreading as a function of federal property? (IIRC - something like 50% of California is federal land.)

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You want to rake a thousand square miles of hilly and mountainous terrain? Go with God on that one.

 

[Hum Dinger]

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Just to point out...

The technology to deal with deadwood and overgrown forests was developed a long time ago.

So again, has anyone mapped the wildfires in California to the their starting locations and spreading as a function of federal property? (IIRC - something like 50% of California is federal land.)

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Controlled burns are the best 'tried and true' way to prevent major fires.

 

[WorldWatcher]

You want to rake a thousand square miles of hilly and mountainous terrain? Go with God on that one.

A previous claim was the technology didn't exist. The technology does exist.

Now whether there is the will to use the technology or not? That is a different question.

WW

 

[Zincwarrior]

A previous claim was the technology didn't exist. The technology does exist.

Now whether there is the will to use the technology or not? That is a different question.

WW

A rake is not technology to clear brush from a mountainside. Thats nuts.

I have no love for Newsome but get realistic.

 

[Hum Dinger]

A previous claim was the technology didn't exist. The technology does exist.

Now whether there is the will to use the technology or not? That is a different question.

WW

These things cost money!

Nobody wants to spend money on prevention - they'd have to increase taxes to pay for it!

 

[WorldWatcher]

A rake is not technology to clear brush from a mountainside. Thats nuts.

I have no love for Newsome but get realistic.

These things cost money!

Nobody wants to spend money on prevention - they'd have to increase taxes to pay for it!

Which is my point.

It's not the lack of technology, we have to technology (even a little more sophisticated than a chain saw and rake).

The problem is the will to fund forest maintenance.
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The purpose of this series of posts have to do with over 50% of California being Federal land. Is the Federal government practicing good forest management to reduce fires that start there from spreading?

Or is that all on the California government?

WW

 

[Hum Dinger]

Which is my point.

It's not the lack of technology, we have to technology (even a little more sophisticated than a chain saw and rake).

The problem is the will to fund forest maintenance.
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The purpose of this series of posts have to do with over 50% of California being Federal land. Is the Federal government practicing good forest management to reduce fires that start there from spreading?

Or is that all on the California government?

WW

It's a mixture of local, State & federal responsibilities.

Right now, the fires are in residential areas, so I'd guess it's the local governments that are supposed to manage them.

Preventing these fires would have taken changes in the building and residential codes.

 

[Hum Dinger]

Here's the root cause of this disaster:

Normalcy bias - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[WorldWatcher]

It's a mixture of local, State & federal responsibilities.

Right now, the fires are in residential areas, so I'd guess it's the local governments that are supposed to manage them.

Preventing these fires would have taken changes in the building and residential codes.

Agreed it's a multi-level problem. But to say preventing these fires have to address by building codes misses whole layers of defense and only looks at one point in time, when fires are raging through communities.

Forest fires are like a virus and spread. If you can reduce the virus/fire from taking hold - vaccines/forest management - then when outbreaks occur they are easier to contain and control.

But let a virus/fire outbreak spread uncontrolled and then have to try to contain it AFTER it's already spread is a much more difficult task.
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Now, I don't claim to be a forest management expert, helped fight a couple of forest fires in my youth as a volunteer but that's a story for another day. However in the Navy we talk about multiple layers of defense as the farther away from the task force you deal with a threat the easier it can be to teal with. And if that layer doesn't work, the next layer engages, if that layer fails you fall back to point defense.

WW

 

[otto105]

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Just to point out...

The technology to deal with deadwood and overgrown forests was developed a long time ago.

So again, has anyone mapped the wildfires in California to the their starting locations and spreading as a function of federal property? (IIRC - something like 50% of California is federal land.)

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Maga fuckup, the forests aren't burning in LA County. The scrub brush is.

 

[Hum Dinger]

Agreed it's a multi-level problem. But to say preventing these fires have to address by building codes misses whole layers of defense and only looks at one point in time, when fires are raging through communities.

Forest fires are like a virus and spread. If you can reduce the virus/fire from taking hold - vaccines/forest management - then when outbreaks occur they are easier to contain and control.

But let a virus/fire outbreak spread uncontrolled and then have to try to contain it AFTER it's already spread is a much more difficult task.
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Now, I don't claim to be a forest management expert, helped fight a couple of forest fires in my youth as a volunteer but that's a story for another day. However in the Navy we talk about multiple layers of defense as the farther away from the task force you deal with a threat the easier it can be to teal with. And if that layer doesn't work, the next layer engages, if that layer fails you fall back to point defense.

WW

The Military is dedicated to 'worst-case' scenarios. It's philosophy is opposite of the normalcy bias.

Preemptively dealing with disasters is a total paradox:

If you prepare for the disaster and it never happens, or if it does happen but the prevention works, people will accuse you of over-reacting and declare that there was never any real threat. It was all a big waste of money.

Just look at the reaction to the preventative measure taken for Covid-19. In early 2020, it was a very real threat with a huge risk of millions of deaths. Governors closed down the economy, asked people to isolate and to wear masks. Millions of lives were most likely saved.

Yet there are millions who believe that it was a total over-reaction by the Governors. The economic shutdown, masks and vaccines were a huge government fraud.

Basically, you can't win.

 

[WEATHER53]

I think the democrats are too interested in spending huge amounts of money on New Green Deals for the distant future and not enough to protect the existing environment today. Maybe California shouldn't be spending trillions on a fucking high speed rail, electric vehicles and charging stations, and other green projects and instead make sure they've cleared out the brush from high risk areas and have enough water to put out the fires. I don't know whether to call it incompetence or malfeasance. Either way the idiot voters in that state continue to vote blue. So, I guess you got the gov't that you deserve.

They have laws Against clearing away brush on your own property

 

[WEATHER53]

Burn out all the evil rich people and let it become grazing land for the noble illegsls goats and sheep.
In today’s bitterly vengeful insane Democrat party; it’s not out of the question

So right needs said twice

 

[WorldWatcher]

The Military is dedicated to 'worst-case' scenarios. It's philosophy is opposite of the normalcy bias.

Preemptively dealing with disasters is a total paradox:

If you prepare for the disaster and it never happens, or if it does happen but the prevention works, people will accuse you of over-reacting and declare that there was never any real threat. It was all a big waste of money.

Just look at the reaction to the preventative measure taken for Covid-19. In early 2020, it was a very real threat with a huge risk of millions of deaths. Governors closed down the economy, asked people to isolate and to wear masks. Millions of lives were most likely saved.

Yet there are millions who believe that it was a total over-reaction by the Governors. The economic shutdown, masks and vaccines were a huge government fraud.

Basically, you can't win.

Yep, that's it in a nutshell.

Thank you.

At least I'm not the only weirdo in the group.

WW

 

[Woodznutz]

Asphalt shingles are actually thought of as good against fires spreading, per the Google.

Asphalt singles may be good against fire. Not so much against red hot embers combined with high temperatures.

 

[Woodznutz]

People have choices as to whether they go to war. Much less choice about what nature will bring onto us.

We have choices about how to respond to wildfires. We just haven't gotten around to making the right ones.

Sometimes the tools you need aren't found at the hardware store, and you have to make them yourself. We need more effective tools to fight wildfires.

 

[Woodznutz]

Which is my point.

It's not the lack of technology, we have to technology (even a little more sophisticated than a chain saw and rake).

The problem is the will to fund forest maintenance.
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The purpose of this series of posts have to do with over 50% of California being Federal land. Is the Federal government practicing good forest management to reduce fires that start there from spreading?

Or is that all on the California government?

WW

The Federal government is the only entity that has the resources needed. Sadly, they don't have a program to utilize them for wildfire suppression.

 

[Foxfyre]

We have choices about how to respond to wildfires. We just haven't gotten around to making the right ones.

Sometimes the tools you need aren't found at the hardware store, and you have to make them yourself. We need more effective tools to fight wildfires.

What would be more effective than creating firebreaks, minimizing fuel, and tanker aircraft distributing 12,000 gallons of fire retardant?

 

[the watcher]

You think that they weren't prepared for the annual fires, wait until this spring when the bare earth fills those empty foundations with the mudslides that will come with the rains.